Remembrance For The Fourth Of July Holiday 2022

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New York – -(AmmoLand.com)- Every year, on the Fourth of July, Americans take a day off from work to relax and enjoy an evening of hot dogs, hamburgers, cold brews, and fireworks.

But how many Americans recall—or for that matter, how many Americans, especially among the younger generations have even learned—the reason for our commemoration of the Fourth Day of July, every year; the reason for our celebration of it?

In this era that sees the creation of a plethora of inane new Holidays that kowtow to the dogma of American Collectivism and “Wokeness,” many seek, insidiously, to replace our truly noteworthy Holidays, of which three, The Fourth of July Holiday, Memorial Day, and Veterans Day stand apart as most significant.

Consider how Neo-Marxists have co-opted and befouled Columbus Day for their own use. It is now, through a proclamation by Joe Biden, to henceforth be referred to and celebrated as “Indigenous Peoples Day.” Thank you very much, Joe!



And we see the insinuation of Holidays that celebrate Neo-Marxist “Wokeness” such as “Juneteenth Independence Day,” which undermines, as it was no doubt intended to do, the importance of our Nation’s one true “Independence Day” Holiday. Even the name, “Juneteenth” sounds ludicrous.

The creators and promoters of this new “Juneteenth Independence Day” Holiday intended to use it to slither around and into the Nation’s July fourth “Independence Day” Holiday.

But the Fourth of July is sacred.

It serves as a commemoration for the Birth of a Great Nation, conceived in freedom and liberty, and for those Americans, the First Patriots, who are remembered for their courage and sacrifices without which our Nation would have never come to be. It is for these reasons we celebrate every Fourth Day of July.

What, on the other hand, Juneteenth celebrates is anyone’s guess, but it has nothing whatsoever to do with the Birth and preservation of a free Constitutional Republic. If one were to hazard a guess Juneteenth celebrates the repudiation of the Birth of our Nation. It seeks to go back to a time before our Nation’s Birth and to abort the infant.

The American Revolution against Tyranny arguably commenced on April 15, 1775, just over one year before the signing of the Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776, when the British “Redcoats” and the colonist “Minutemen” exchanged gunfire for the first time. The first major battle, the Battle of Bunker Hill,” took place on June 17, 17, 1775.

Some may argue the American Revolution effectively ended with the entrapment of the British Army on Virginia’s Yorktown peninsula in 1781, which forced General Cornwallis to surrender to a joint force of American and French troops.

Many would argue that the American Revolution officially ended with the ratification of the Paris Treaty, on September 3, 1783, when the original 13 States gained their independence from British Tyranny. See Timeline.

But a few might ask, did the American Revolution ever truly end? And, we do wonder, especially in this era of incessant, insidious, and noxious attacks on our Nation, on its history, heritage, and culture, on its people, on its Constitution, and on Christianity, the ethical, moral basis of the Nation.

Consider the slippery, slimy, sludgy way the legacy Press defiles the Fourth—much worse than simply calling for the abolishment of the Holiday because it doesn’t comply with historical Critical Race Theory revisionists, whose poison has infected the curricula of grade schools and high schools across the Country.

Consider an Op-Ed that appeared last month in the seditious New York Times: “Let’s Have a New Gun Law for Independence Day.”

So reads the title of an Op-Ed, by Gail Collins, a regular columnist for The New York Times. The Op-Ed appeared on June 16, 2022.

The irony in the title and in the content of the recent NY Times article is lost on its author. Collins, an anti-Second Amendment fanatic, judging from both the content and tone of her articles about guns in America, cannot appreciate the oddity and absurdity of juxtaposing gun control legislation with our Fourth of July Holiday.

But for the well-armed American colonists, the first American Patriots, we would not have a Country that ensures the very freedom and liberty that Gail Collins and others of like kind, incessantly, vociferously, and sanctimoniously disparage and debase.

Our Nation’s Founding Document, the “Declaration of Independence,” signed by the Country’s first Representatives on that momentous, pivotal Fourth day of July 1776, set forth the natural law right of free men to overthrow the tyranny of Government. That required a well-armed people—the very thing Collins seeks to destroy.

That Eighteenth-Century Tyrant, the British Empire, under the titular head George III, the reigning monarch, along with the financial, and actual head of the British Empire, the Central Bank of England—run by the immensely wealthy and ruthlessly covetous Rothschild Clan—were a mighty Foe.

George III is long since dead. But the effete and decadent monarchy, a relic long shorn of true power yet allowed to continue as an emblem of and living embodiment of extravagant Rothschild wealth, is much alive.

The Rothschild Banking Dynasty is intent on taking back control of the American colonies lost to it in the American Revolution that commenced in 1775, one year after drafting and signing of the Declaration of Independence. And newspapers like The New York Times, and its regular columnists, are helping the Neo-Marxist and Neoliberal Globalist overseers do just that. In fact, they are agents of these overseers.

Our Nation’s Fourth of July Holiday operates as a constant and a bitter-tasting reminder to the Rothschild Clan of what they lost to a ragtag band of colonialist malcontents, who, through stoutness of heart, the strength of will, and force of arms defeated the British military, successfully throwing off the yoke of a mighty Tyrant.

In her NY Times Op-Ed, Gail Collins, through her call for the erosion of the fundamental, unalienable natural law Right codified in the Second Amendment has, wittingly or not, attacked the very foundation of a free Republic and a sovereign people: the armed citizenry. Collins’ article is a perverse, defilement of a sacred Holiday.

Collins starts off her article with this——

“The Fourth of July is coming, and if all goes well — crossing many fingers — before Congress leaves town to celebrate, the House and Senate will have passed the first substantial gun safety legislation in nearly 30 years.

Yeah, the last big reform was in 1994.”

And, Collins ends her article with this——

There’s a lot of territory to cover before we get to anyplace sane on the gun front. To anyplace near where surveys tell us the American people would like to go. But it’d be nice if, on July 4, we could celebrate with more fireworks and less gunfire.”

What “Americans” are you referring to Gail? You haven’t begun to see gunfire and what that looks like from 100 million American Patriots—if the present Tyrant attempts to confiscate our firearms.

The Arbalest Quarrel has constantly warned of the need for all Americans to remain vigilant to and armed against the dangers posed by the Destructors and Obstructors of a free Republic and a free and sovereign people. America’s enemies are everywhere, in every institution, in every business sector.

Well, Collins got her wish.

CBS News reported a while back:

“The House on Friday approved bipartisan gun legislation that was overwhelmingly approved by the Senate late the night before, sending it to President Biden for his signature. It marks the most significant update to the nation’s gun laws in nearly three decades.

The bill, called The Bipartisan Safer Communities Act, passed the lower chamber by a vote of 234-193, with 14 Republicans joining all the Democrats.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi read the vote tally after it concluded to applause from the members of Congress on the floor.

Congress applauds the disembowelment of our Country?

And then there is the Grand Harlequin in Chief, Joe Biden who signed the damned thing.

The Washington Times Reports:

“President Biden on Saturday signed into law the nation’s first new gun control bill in decades, one day after Congress passed the legislation marking a huge victory for Democrats.

‘This is a monumental day,’ Mr. Biden said during a brief signing ceremony at the White House. ‘This is a time, when it seems impossible to get anything done in Washington, we are doing something consequential.’”

Is there any greater proof of tyranny existent and thriving in “our” Federal Government to see The Executive Branch of the Federal Government, along with the Legislative Branch, cheering and extolling actions directed to the dissolution of America’s armed citizenry?

The Fourth of July celebration, at its core, really stands as a renewal of faith in the Nation’s armed citizenry, the very thing the Nation’s Obstructors and Destructors seek to abolish.

If not for America’s armed Patriots, back then, our free Constitutional Republic would never have existed.

And but for the preservation of the Nation’s armed Patriots, today, a free Constitutional Republic will not, cannot continue to exist.

NY Times’ Gail Collins’ Independence Day article does not constitute a tribute to the memory of America’s First Patriots. And the recent Anti-Second Amendment bill, now signed into law by Democrats and feckless Republicans, amounts to the renunciation of our Nation as a free Constitutional Republic and of the indomitable spirit of those First Patriots.

The Government and the Press make a mockery of our Nation’s first Patriots, and all in the name of present-day Neo-Marxist “wokeness.”

The Arbalest Quarrel warned of this. At the start of our Independence Day tribute of 2020, we wrote,

“Dear Fellow Americans,

As we approach the celebration on Independence Day this coming July 4th weekend, we should think about the significance of the War that was fought against tyranny and the sacrifices that were made to give us a Nation unlike any other; one conceived in liberty. We should give thanks to our founders, and give serious thought to where we are today, and how we see ourselves tomorrow. . . this Country can hardly be in a celebratory spirit, as the very words, ‘nationalism’ and ‘patriotism’ are treated like obscenities.”

We witness two-legged predators laying waste the Land, destroying property, intimidating innocent Americans, causing bedlam and mayhem. The police, under fire, are ordered to stand down. Government cowers. Law and Order breaks down everywhere. The seditious Press and Radical Left members of Congress, along with Radical Left State Governors and City Mayors give their blessing to the perpetrators of this violence.”

The title of our Fourth of July 2020 tribute qua warning, was: an “Important Message to All Americans on Independence Day 2020.”

And, for our Independence Day Tribute in 2021, we wrote in pertinent part,

“. . .as Independence Day 2021 also looms, the Marxist Democrat leadership is loath to disparage it outright, at least for the moment. But will the Independence Day Holiday remain free from Marxist Democrat defilement; will it exist next year if only because it comes prior to the 2022 midterm elections; and, if so, will it then exist the year after if the Marxist Democrats prevail, after the midterm elections, thereby maintaining their majority in Congress? The answer is, ‘not likely,’ at least not in the sense that Independence Day will thereafter have any true import, for it will no longer retain its cherished historical meaning as a Holiday of Remembrance. The Holiday, if it continues to exist, would exist, only, if at all, as a caricature of what it once represented, a pale, fleeting distant memory, a memory for some, for a while, perhaps, of what it once represented; its import and purport eventually disappearing from memory forever because the Neo-Marxist/Globalist Counterrevolution to the American Revolution of 1776 would have succeeded.

America’s Neo-Marxists and Neoliberal Globalists must annihilate the Fourth of July Holiday because it operates each year, every year, as recognition of and a defiant expression of Patriots who rallied, on July 4, 1776, against the tyrannical Government of Great Britain’s George III and against the power behind the throne—the Bank of Rothschild.

The title of that article is, “Marxists Seek To Disarm Citizens, Eliminate All National Holidays, Monuments, And The Nation’s Flag!”

We followed up that July 2021 article with one in November 2021. We began by referencing what we had written apropos of our 2020 tribute, asking,

“Has anything changed, almost seventeen months later? Yes, the threat to our Nation has only grown direr.

The Trotting Horse of American Marxism and Neoliberal Globalism is now running at full gallop. It is charging directly toward a formidable defense to be sure—the Bill of Rights. But it is determined to break through, destroying the Constitution of the United States, annihilating a free Republic, subjugating a free and sovereign people.”

The title of that article was,

“The Right To Dissent And The Right To Dissent And The Right To Bear Arms Are A Bulwark Against Tyranny.”

Back in 2021 we were less secure than we were in 2020. And now, in 2022, we are even less secure than we were in 2021.

The Neo-Marxist and Neoliberal Globalist captains and lieutenants and foot soldiers of the Rothschild-Soros gang have conquered back everything they had lost from the years that President Trump had tried—and accomplished to his credit, under great odds—much of his goal to make America Great Again.

But, with the puppet-masters lackeys in firm control of two Branches of Government, with their eye on undermining the Third, and with their control over most of the Press, media, Academia, and over much of Corporate America, the American citizenry has never stood closer to utter ruin than now.

Americans are witnessing the collapse of their Republic, the loss of their sovereignty over Government, and the further erosion of their most cherished and sacred Rights and Liberties with each passing day.

Americans are in danger of losing everything vital to the maintenance of the last bastion of freedom—the United States—in a world awash in misery stemming from tyranny of government.

The U.S. Supreme Court did provide us Americans with a reprieve in Bruen, by reaffirming the right of the people to keep and bear arms. But that will not be enough. America’s true Patriots must reaffirm that sacred right at each moment as they take a breath of air.

Keep your arms and ammunition always close at hand. The Tyrant is knocking at your door!


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Chuck

“I prefer peace, but if trouble must come, let it come in my time, that my children may know peace.” Thomas Paine How long must we continue to wait? The erosion of our rights has accelerated under the current regime. Operatives of this regime are destroying food distribution, farms and ranches in an attempt to starve us into submission. How much longer do we wait? Until our children and grandchildren are walking skeletons? Victims of the famine conditions this regime has instituted. Do we wait until our doors are broken down and the jackbooted thugs of this regime confiscate our… Read more »

john

A Brief Summary of the U.S Army OriginThe U.S Army was established in 1775, as the Continental Army, by the Second Continental Congress. Its purpose was to fight Great Britain, in what is now referred to as the American Revolutionary War. At the time, the appointed Commander was George Washington. Following the war, the Continental Army received land certificates, then disbanded due to the distrust of Republicans against standing forces. The U.S’s sole defense force were state militias, a single regiment that guarded the Western Frontier, and a single artillery battery, which guarded the West Point Arsenal. Due to the… Read more »

nrringlee

Well done. So, let’s get down to specifics. What can we do as individuals to support and defend a Constitution and Republic under attack? Here is your answer: take the Biblical Citizenship course from Patriot Academy. Learn the progressive and leftist lies, learn what our Founders really intended and then get the course, invite your family and friends to take the same course in your living room. I spent nearly 30 years as a Marine. Spend hours on the range teaching people to shoot each week. I spend a lot of time at reloading presses and in my shop working… Read more »

CourageousLion

…That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to once shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they… Read more »

Russn8r

~”For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury.”

Authority worshipers bless ‘adjudication’ as ‘due process’ for loss of liberties like gun rights, to deny the right to trial. Only if you disobey ‘adjudication’ do you get a trial, and become a ‘criminal’ since you won’t be allowed to contest the constitutionality of the ‘adjudication’. Vichy Cons even bless ex-post-facto punishment without ‘adjudication’ let alone fair trial by jury or even phony due process. (See post below)

There is no due process without speedy recourse to fair trial by fully informed jury.

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Russn8r

Downvote sock pup masters betray God, Constitution, country.

* Vichy Cons bless ex-post-facto punishment without ‘adjudication’ let alone fair trial by jury or even phony due process: For dishonorable discharge (e.g. disobey ‘vax’ order), alleged past behavior, opinion of ‘counselor’ in ‘confidential’ file, conviction where loss of right to self-defense was not sentenced, ‘red flag’, ERPOs etc.

The Framers intended taking of any citizen’s rights by gvt to entitle us to jury trial, more as a check, a tool for the people to nullify tyranny, than to protect the innocent.

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Russn8r

Why Vichy Cons continue expanding the circumventions of trial by jury.

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Boz

Some IiberaI troII got their panties in a twist and is down-voting every comment as fast as they can.

swmft

they dont like the truth about the past as it does not fit their narrative, fu kum they can go to canada or australia no rights no guns

JSNMGC

Not liberal – some people who always vote Republican are authoritarians. They don’t like the reality of the Revolutionary War discussed because of the despicable role of the military.

swmft

and the uncontrolled tax man ,

nrringlee

The Republican Party is a Progressive party a la Woodrow Wilson. They only tolerate conservatives and classical liberals when it comes to raising money and raising votes. Then they go back to hating us.

The other Jim

Well written. If I didn’t see it here I would say Mark Levin wrote this set of well written truth and facts.

john

By the rude bridge that arched the flood, Their flag to April’s breeze unfurled, Here once the embattled farmers stood, And fired the shot heard round the world, The foe long since in silence slept, Alike the Conqueror silent sleeps, And Time the ruined bridge has swept Down the dark stream which seaward creeps. On this green bank, by this soft stream, We set to-day a votive stone, That memory may their deed redeem, When like our sires our sons are gone. Spirit! who made those freemen dare To die, or leave their children free, Bid time and nature gently… Read more »

swmft

poetry we grew up with hard to believe that with the educated people of the 1800s we get the trash we have today
O beautiful for spacious skies,
For amber waves of grain,
For purple mountain majesties
Above the fruited plain!
America! America!
God shed His grace on thee
And crown thy good with brotherhood
From sea to shining sea!

and the demoncrats that want to destroy the Majesty of gods gift

DDS

If we were going to celebrate the first patriots, we’d be doing it on April 19th. What we celebrate on July 4th is the day that Congress finally woke up and realized there was a war going on.

What exactly were the respective colonial “governments” doing for the year and three months in between April 19th, 1775 and July 4th, 1776? Well, for part of that time, some of them sent delegations to King George III to explain that it was all a mistake by a bunch of hotheads and ask his forgiveness.

Times changes, but seemingly congresscritters don’t.

JSNMGC

The military was getting humiliated so the king sent more of his men (a lot more) and when news arrived (shortly before the enforcers arrived), the “civilians” thought it would be best to officially tell their government to piss-off. It’s a good day to celebrate.

I agree that April 19th should be a day of appreciation. So should April 15th.

CourageousLion

April 15th? Who would appreciate that besides the banksters running the Federal Reserve?

JSNMGC

I’m not suggesting appreciation should be shown towards the punitive, socialist, preferential tax structure.

If we didn’t have a progressive (punitive) tax structure, the entire mess would collapse. The average person would not pay their “fair share” of this massive government and unnecessary military adventurism.

Appreciation should be shown to the victims of it who subsidize the majority of Americans.

Wild Bill

I have never read any historical account stating that King George sent more troops to the colonies because the British Army was humiliated. Where did you read that?

swmft

july 4th is the day the Continental congress gave up trying to make a peaceful resulution with the king and said no more

swmft

people dont like the truth, up till then they had tried to make a peaceful deal when george hired mercenaries to bolster regular troops there was no more talk possible stranger things were going on too the cannon brought to boston came from Fort Ticonderoga the green mountain boys brought some of them south to help; even though vermont was not one of the 13 colonies vermont became 14th state in 1791 they joined with the acceptance of the bill of rights

JSNMGC

Happy Independence Day to all freedom-loving Americans.  Many thanks to those “civilians” who fought and defeated their own military, thus allowing the creation of The United States of America. Let’s keep in mind that just after the defeat of the military, our founding fathers had many cautionary words about the dangers of a standing military organization. They understandably disbanded their own newly formed military (that had assisted the heroic “civilians”) almost immediately after it had served its purpose.  The words of the founding fathers have never been more important than today. Also, a short safety message is in order. Many Americans celebrate the… Read more »

JSNMGC

The guy who has three accounts hates freedom and doesn’t understand he should be thanking the “civilians” who shot their own military members in the face for enforcing the tyranny of their own government. People who enforce unconscionable laws against their fellow countrymen should read and understand the real American history and think about it.

JSNMGC

More redcoats, Tories, royalists, and king’s men weighing-in. The “civilians,” who brought very little in the way of powder and shot to the battles, defeated the most powerful military organization in the world. That organization was proud of all their military knowledge and experience (and medals and rank and privileges) and laughed at the “civilians” who later defeated them.

Laddyboy

CORRECT!

Laddyboy

Especially when, at the engagements, their “officers” began to be identified and PUT DOWN. This left the STUPID rank and file redcoats blind and ignorant as to WHAT DO WE DO. So these red-coats RAN!

swmft

and the discipline of our our rag tag group improved with training by Baron Friedrich von Steuben

CourageousLion

Hmmmm…reads like the way the Taliban must have been thinking after Chairman Xiden gifted them with MILLIONS in equipment that many of us would give our left nut for some of.

JSNMGC

Please explain.

Wild Bill

Which battles are you talking about? The British regulars and the Hessians defeated the Americans many times because the Americans did not have military skills, discipline, and logistics … in the beginning (e.g. Long Island).
After Von Stuben trained the Continental Army and France provided logistics and naval support the Continental army performed at a very high level of skill (e.g. Yorktown).

JSNMGC

I referenced the result of the war. The military that was enforcing tyranny lost.

Wild Bill

The result of the war is too broad and therefore vague. So many battles, ebbing and flowing logistics, training, and participants. The Americans just kept getting better while the long logistical lines of the British army and navy just kept getting more and more difficult.
By the end of the War for Independence, British generals hated and feared losing men and Parliament hated and feared paying the bills.

JSNMGC

No argument with any of that other than the first sentence.

My point was that the military enforced the tyranny of the government and they lost.

Wild Bill

Do you mean that King George’s military enforced his tyranny?
Of course that is not why the Brits lost.

john

June 14, 1775
In the early months of the American Revolution, the first regular U.S. fighting force, the Continental Army, was organized by the Second Continental Congress on June 14, 1775. George Washington appointed as its commander.

May be I am wrong ???

john

You probably already know that the oldest U.S military branch is the Army. But did you know that it is older than the U.S itself? Yes, you’ve read that correctly. The Army military branch is older than America itself

JSNMGC

“Our” military (the redcoats) enforced the tyranny of “our” government.

“We” formed an alternate military (and the redcoats were no longer considered “our” military) then “we” declared ourselves independent and formed a new government which, of course, became “our” government.

It’s uncomfortable (for obvious reasons) for some to accept that “our” military enforced the tyranny of “our” government.

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Russn8r

How do you figure 3? There have been at least 4 net downvotes on yours and mine in a few mins. I just offset yours to 3.

And “MIKE” smells like OpeTEXWill et ilk.

https://www.ammoland.com/2022/07/supreme-court-protector-of-2nd-amendment-but-how-long/#comment-2945762

JSNMGC

There were three quick downvotes by a red-faced fellow who thinks redcoats should be thanked for their service.

Some other statists (and/or people who support key socialist principles) then joined in with their downvotes. Some freedom-loving Americans, who may have chuckled a bit at the truth, off-set some of the downvotes.

Independence Day should be a day of “civilian” appreciation.

Thank you for your service.

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Laddyboy

Very appropriately stated, Sir.

Wild Bill

No, independence could not have been achieved without each of the participants, civilian and military, and that is what we celebrate.

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swmft

the military was only hired officers ,until the french joined to help it was just farmers and small business people, part of the problem in the early fight was lack of discipline but the independence was also a strength, many had hunting skills and could shoot long range for the time, as such they had better guns than the regulars

Wild Bill

The Continental Army drew recruited men from the American population, but they became trained soldiers … and got paid. By the end of the war for Independence, the Continental Army was the military equal of the British Army. Just look at the battle of Yorktown.

CourageousLion

I can’t. My time machine just broke down.

Wild Bill

Perhaps a book on the battle of Yorktown. The West Point Military History Series has the best maps.

Ope

Bill,in TEXAS we always celebrate our brave law enforcement and military for the many sacrifices they make to keep our country free. Hope you had a great 4th yesterday. We had a huge BBQ with over 100 family,friends and many of my old military and LE buddies. It was a beautiful day and the brew was flowing. Later.

Wild Bill

Boy howdie, the Independence Day weekend was a Texas sized BBQ. We all have much to be thankful for.

JSNMGC

Thank you. The official military that existed (the redcoats), the one that was professional, well-trained, experienced, and had officers who had rank and privilege and were introduced with their wives at balls in descending order of rank, were the problem. They followed directives issued by tyrants. The Continental Army was little more than “civilians” who organized somewhat to fight the military (the redcoats). Even Washington had little military experience. He had only fought in two minor battles when he was a member of the British Army. He was freakishly tall, wore a fancy uniform to meetings, practiced projecting a “military… Read more »

swmft

it would be smarter for us to have a military more like Israel or Switzerland small regular armey that can grow to size of every able bodied adult , where people are trained in weapons in school as one of their classes and like nasty guard specialists get regular update training

Wild Bill

No, the Continual Army was originally the Pennsylvania and a couple other militias, until the Continental Congress changed their title to Continental Army and gave Washington command.
The fact that the militias could evolve into a disciplined and skilled fighting force gives me great hope for our future.

JSNMGC

No?

That is my point.

The military (the one funded by taxes) was the redcoats. They enforced tyranny.

When/how different subsets of the civilian militia ceased being “civilians” would be an interesting conversation.

Wild Bill

Oh, when you write “… the official military that existed…” you mean “their” military.
From the American point of view, the Continental Army was official military … our official military. Only the British and Hessians viewed the Continental Army and General Washington as not “official”.

Ope

Bill,you’re spot on right!

JSNMGC

It was “our” military (the redcoats) enforcing the tyranny of “our” government. That is the point that should not be lost as we celebrate Independence Day.

An alternate group of fighters rose up to defeat “our” military in order to separate from “our” government.

During that process, a portion of the alternate group of fighters became recognized as “our” military and the redcoats became “their” military.

Wild Bill

I am pretty sure that immediately after the Declaration of Independence, the British Army was generally no longer considered our army and the King and Parliament were generally no longer considered our government. I could be wrong.

JSNMGC

Yes, and the Declaration of Independence was issued long after “our” military had been enforcing the tyranny of “our” government.

“Our” military had been enforcing the tyranny of “our” government long before the Continental Army was formed as well.

Wild Bill

Not your government or military. Not my government or military. Thus it can not be our government or military.
Prior to the Declaration of Independence, they were colonies of Great Briton. It was their colonies, their rules, their army supported my colonial militias.

JSNMGC

Quotes were used for a reason. It’s uncomfortable (for obvious reasons) for some to accept that the military enforced the tyranny of the government. People fought their own military (the redcoats) and eventually formed an alternate military (at which point the redcoats were not “their” military) and then declared themselves independent of their government. The British military was the military of the colonists, was partially funded by the colonists, was partially manned by the colonists and protected the colonists’ interests on land and sea. They also subjugated them to the tyranny of their own government (the British government) until they… Read more »

Wild Bill

I think that most readers recognize your reply as mere quibbling. So I’m done.

JSNMGC

Nice!

You got your standard quibbling deflection and your well-used appeal to a crowd all in one short sentence.

The founding fathers were wise, but their warnings were not heeded. We have a massive, centralized government involved in all sorts of things they shouldn’t be involved in and we have a massive military that gets involved in domestic matters when the many hundreds of thousands of armed government employees with domestic responsibilities are just not enough. Exactly what they fought against.

JSNMGC

Reply on hold.

swmft

until the breakup there was no militias, there was conscripts for sea and land forces
even after we fought them to a capitulation they still raided ships and took citizens of our new country as conscripts, that did not change until after war of 1812

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Wild Bill

There were militias as early as Jamestown. By the French and Indian war colonial militias were a really big deal.

Wild Bill

There were not Americans at that time. That military, supported by local military, was protecting its nation’s colonies (and enforcing the dictates of its king and parliament.)

JSNMGC

“There were not Americans at that time.”

I didn’t say there were Americans.

The military’s role included protecting certain interests of the colonists. It was partially funded by the colonists and it was partially manned by the colonists. It also enforced the tyranny of the government of which the colonists were subjects.

JSNMGC

Another reply on hold.

swmft

the problem was more the government had been ignoring much of its world wide holdings, and decided to clamp down rapidly , canada did not produce much so was not a strong revenue stream,Australia was a penal colony so little value we built ships had ores for iron and steal copper for bronze cotton tobacco sugar for rum like all wars it was about money and how much of your hard work is MINE

swmft

we were still under the kings dictates for the most part, and they tried to enforce them, you may remember an attempt to retake control in 1812. there were a large number of people that were still loyal to king and crown the numbers that fled to Canada and Australia after the capitulation is telling. the writing of the constitution brought about the unity the army of the rebellion were not treated as family by many they were bringing about change and people will put up with a lot but fear the unknown the declaration of independence was jumping off… Read more »

CourageousLion

A standing army is “needed” today because we don’t have the first 13 words of the 2nd amendment in force and effect. If we DID, we wouldn’t need an army unless there was a war declared by Congress and then the army would be drawn from the state Militias.

Wild Bill

By the end of the war for Independence, George Washington and the Continental Congress, both, understood that a standing army was necessary because training and equipping takes so long. Today things move even faster.

CourageousLion

WE are the MILITIA!

Wild Bill

Correct! And can be “called forth” at Congress’ whim!

Ope

Bill,you got that right!

Finnky

If aoc calls, I will not answer.

Wild Bill

Riinngg. Riiinnnggg.Riiiinnnngggg!!
“Hello?”
Please hold for the Joe Biden.
CLICK

swmft

we should celebrate April 15 as second amendment day , it is the day that showed just how important self defense is and the need to have the best weapons you can afford

Laddyboy

The “fight” against TYRANNY has NEVER stopped! Look at the “representative CRITTERS” occupying seats in Congress who should have NEVER gotten there!
FRAUDULENT ELECTIONS HAVE DIRE CONSEQUENCES!

swmft

will never end as greed is major driving force of many people

Laddyboy

AGREED!

swmft

they did not shoot them in the face, they picked them off from the woods

CourageousLion

By shooting them in the face.

JSNMGC

Yes.

(Not all, literally, of course.)