Why Do Federal Agencies Need 1 Billion Rounds Of Ammo, Delivered Before Dec 31 2012

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Washington, DC –-(Ammoland.com)- ” I'm from the Government and Im here to help”, one of the most simultaneously laughable and also frightening jokes made about the utter ineptitude and often down right vicious mindset that populates far to much of the Federal Leviathan.

Much has been made over the last month or so about the 6,000 rounds of ammunition Aurora Colorado Shooter James Holmes had acquired, with breathless commentary from the know nothing usual suspects in the media and political circles about how “no one needs that much ammunition unless they are up to something “. A patently ridiculous idea that reveals only the ignorance of those that would make such comments, since 6,000 rounds of ammunition is hardly a large quantity, something I wrote about previously.

Forgetting for a moment the numerous perfectly lawful and logical reasons for a Citizen to have that much ammunition, and indeed an exponentially greater amount, while not harboring any evil intent, if we accept the exhortations that owning or possessing several thousand rounds of ammunition is to be treated as some sort of “warning sign” or “red flag” indicator of nefarious intentions at some future point, then the unasked question, the gargantuan elephant in the room that no one is talking about is;

What exactly are the future intentions of the myriad of Federal Government “Alphabet Agencies” and their collective purchase orders and bids for fulfillment to acquire 1 BILLION rounds of anti personal ammunition for delivery no later then December 31st 2012?

There are literally dozens of Federal Agencies that have armed agents and, shockingly enough, their own SWAT Teams, while having little, if any connection to a traditional Law Enforcement role. The Dept of Education has a SWAT Team, one that famously raided the wrong house a year or so ago, terrorizing an innocent family. Their explanation was they were looking for someone that was suspected of “student aid fraud” !

So, we now treat allegations of student aid fraud as if its the equivalent of raiding a Drug Czar's Compound ?

The Environmental Protection Agency has also ordered up some ammunition as well. Surely its for some benign purpose like protecting the “endangered and rare hogwort plant” from the clutches of evil drug smuggling cartels.

Gun Control Supporters have fallen into OCD Levels of infatuation with the words “need” and “reasonable” lately , in order to market more gun control laws to a far to gullible public.  

In this case, I'll use the same terminology to ask an actual rational question. Why, with the Nation on the precipice of financial collapse, do we “need” to have so many Federal Agencies with armed personnel? What exactly is “reasonable” about the Dept of Education having its own SWAT Team? If, and this is a pretty big stretch given the distinct lack of evidence showing the violent tendencies of student aid fraud suspects, a SWAT level raid is necessary, wouldn't it make more sense to utilize SWAT or Special Response Teams that are local to the area and highly likely to have trained for and actually executed far more raids then the Dept of Education?

Far, far more troubling is the “official” explanation offered by various spokespersons when pressed on the issue of this unprecedented acquisition of ammunition, amounting to roughly 3 to 5 rounds for every man, woman and child in the United States.

This explanation is usually some variation of:

“Blah, blah, blah preparation for the possibility of civil unrest during a national emergency, such as a natural disaster, a terrorist attack, or a complete economic collapse.”

Here's the take on this official explanation from an acquaintance of mine who is a retired State Trooper from the North East.

” They're saying that their response to civil unrest is ammunition. Not tear gas or pepper spray, not water cannons or extra riot clubs and shields. Nope, ammunition, and a lot of it. There is only one way I know of to quell civilian unrest with ammo and it isn't handing it out to appease the restless.”

Here's what retired Major General Jerry Curry (Ret) had to say to The Daily Caller in an article titled “Who Does The Government Intend To Shoot?”

“In the war in Iraq, our military forces expended approximately 70 million rounds per year. In March DHS ordered 750 million rounds of hollow point ammunition. It then turned around and ordered an additional 750 million rounds of miscellaneous bullets including some that are capable of penetrating walls. This is enough ammunition to empty five rounds into the body of every living American citizen.

Is this something we and the Congress should be concerned about? What’s the plan that requires so many dead Americans, even during times of civil unrest? Has Congress and the Administration vetted the plan in public.”

“We have local police, backed up by each state’s National Guard, backed up by the Department of Defense. So in addition to all these forces why does DHS need its own private army? Why do the SSA, NOAA and other government agencies need to create their own civilian security forces armed with hollow nose bullets?”

“This is a deadly serious business. I hope I’m wrong, but something smells rotten. And If the Congress isn’t going to do its duty and investigate this matter fully, the military will have to protect the Constitution, the nation, and our citizens.”

Jerry Curry is a decorated combat veteran, Army Aviator, Paratrooper, and Ranger, who for nearly forty years has served his country both in the military and as a Presidential political appointee.

Indeed, something very alarming and deeply disturbing is just over the horizon for America and her Sovereign Citizens. Don't forget President Obama's forceful arguing for a “civilian National Security Force as powerful as the Military”

Don't forget his secret and little noticed signing of the National Defense Authorization Act (the NDAA) on New Years Eve 2011/2012, which provides for the indefinite detainment of American Citizens without due process, despite fevered denials to the contrary. Something I wrote about extensively.

Many, myself included believe that at this point, regardless of what actions are taken, due to the interwoven nature of America's economy with Europes and Asia's that an economic collapse in those Regions will result in a domino effect that will bring about the same awful consequences in the United States.

Taken as single, disparate events,

  • Obama's comments about his desire for a “Civilian National Security Force”,
  • or his signing of the NDAA , all while claiming before the ink was even dry that “just because he signed it into law didn't mean he thought it was right”.
  • Or Obama's previous public statements that it is his intent and prerogative, with the assistance of Senior Cabinet Officials and staff to “bypass Congress and get things done “.
  • Or the current issue at hand of the Federal Govt's acquisition of 1 BILLION rounds of ammunition, while certain members of the same Federal Govt demonize gun owners and issue press releases and soundbites over large caches of ammunition being a “red flag”, and anyone of the events can be dismissed or libeled as a “conspiracy theory” not worthy of serious consideration.

But, when one endeavors to take all the individual pieces of the puzzle and assemble them as a whole, the picture that emerges upon completion comes into stark focus. In these matters, the big picture is terrifying in its implications.

The ONLY logical reason to pass laws or issue rulings against resisting unlawful entry by authorities, or videotaping police in public performance of their duties, or draconian restrictions and conditions on when and where and under what circumstances people may assemble, or beating the drum for more Gun Control is because they want us unarmed, contained, silenced, intimidated and beaten into submission to whatever those in power want…

On second thought, they might just do a lot of target shooting. I guess I should go buy more ammo.

More articles, commentary and information by D. Roberts available at That Every Man Be Armed.com

 

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    I would appreciate any newsletter information I could subscribe to so I could stay abreast of current firearm information. This was a very informative article I really enjoyed all the comments. Thank you very much for any help. Carmelo.

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    Has anyone made a comparitive study of the progressive socialism founded by Lennin and Marx, with the progressive socialism in this country in today's setting? In the 1800's until the end of the Russian Revolution and the rise of worldwide socialist states, the pattern employed by radical soviets developed the methodology now employed in our own country to foster the socialist agenda. Quotes like "You didn't build that", "the rich should pay their fair share", "Universal healthcare", all speak to the socialist mentality and class warfare. Now extreme proposals for gun "Control" and capacity limitations were merely code for disarming… Read more »

    Robert Krawiec
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    I shoot 4000 rds per year in my handgun and I'm not in law enforcement.

    Fed
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    Fed

    250,000 agents at 1 billion rounds = 4,000 rounds per agent per year. 4,000 rounds to train with and have for duty and to rotate. Doesn't sound horrible does it.

    Fed
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    Fed

    People, take a step back and relax. Agents train all the time and use the same ammunition during training as they when on duty. The ammo sounds like a lot and it is but it's mainly pistol caliber (40). Use your brains. If the Feds wanted to come after law abiding citizens and "take your guns" it wouldn't be with a pistol. As fit the department of education having a swat team, I agree. Not only is there no need for a swat team, there is no need for the department. Not every thing is a conspiracy.

    Wait a minute
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    Wait a minute

    Yeah, no one seems to be asking why there's so much ammunition, per year. Training aside, the federal agents aren't using their alloted rounds unless deemed necessary in a situation, so where's the rounds going to? Syria, Mexico, or are they stockpiling them? And why are they stockpiling on what is the most lethal type of bullet? Isn't their job to protect their citizens? I don't get it..

    Holy Jesus!
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    Holy Jesus!

    What a bunch of crockpot, batsh!t, crazy loons you all are if you believe we're one Obama pen swipe away from Marshal Law or a ban on weapons. What sort of brain deficiency breeds such an ingrained desire to feel threatened and pursued by a boogeyman that doesn't exist – you think 250,000 armed would stop 250,000,000 united. Wackos, I swear to Christ.

    kyle
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    kyle

    i wouldnt trust the gov , i am sure they are prob upto something . but do you all think that they would allow us to find out about them getting ammo or anything else. thats like warning the back right before you come in to rob it ..but i do think they are up to something and when it comes down to it by the time we knw aboutit it will be to late .. just my oppinoin

    jerry sweet
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    jerry sweet

    man two things i hate with a flaming passion,bully's and stupidity.we have a whole bunch of stupid people in america who will find out they too are in the cross hairs of the feds guns.how funny to vote for your own murder.hope you like it.

    jerry sweet
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    jerry sweet

    people who can't see a forest because of trees are either in on this takeout of millions of its citizens or just plain ignorant,dumb,stupid and a traitor

    esgatch
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    esgatch

    Chuck, who uses semi-jacketed hollow-points for target practise?

    Pete
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    Pete

    When one does the math it appears there are some 250,000 armed Federal employees. That is the scary part of these numbers.

    Chuck
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    Chuck

    Okay, let's take 450 million rounds delivered over 5 years. That's 90 million rounds a year. Of course, the government wouldn't lie about where that ammo is headed, would they? So we can just trust them that it is being distributed 600 rounds each to everyone who carries a gun in the performance of their duties for the feds. Or 2400 rounds to the 25% who don't care about the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. And that 600 rounds to each person is a reasonable amount. That's only 50 rounds a month for practice — or 50 rounds a… Read more »

    Terry R Craycraft
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    Terry R Craycraft

    This is crazy stuff. The Government would never need this amount of ammo if it were following the Constitution. This Administration is 'Praying' for unrest, (and helping it along…) so they can "Thin The Herd" of those individuals that actually believe in the Constitution, and thusly oppose the growing Socialist Regime.

    Robert Walther
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    Robert Walther

    Ordering ammunition from the manufacturer during a battle is terminally useless

    Bob
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    Bob

    If you read the full article "Ray" linked to you come to this passage, "We've also learned that the Department has an open bid for a stockpile of rifle ammo. Listed on the federal business opportunities network, they're looking for up to 175 million rounds of .223 caliber ammo to be exact. The .223 is almost exactly the same round used by NATO forces, the 5.56 x 45mm. The deadline for earlier this month was extended because the right contractor just hadn't come along. Looks like the Department of Homeland Security means business." 175 million rounds and the only reason… Read more »

    Nice article until t
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    Nice article until t

    It was a nice article until it was turned against Obama. I just don't see how it's possible to blame him for both gun control and the government loading up on ammo. Loading up on ammo is for gun enthusiasts, of which I'm a member, or for extremists fearful of an uprising from those who promote gun control. The problem is that you don't need ammo for the unarmed. You need ammo for those more extreme than you. Remember the terrorists we keep fighting? Those are the ones MORE conservative than the other Muslims that don't create suicide bombers. If… Read more »

    Robert Joseph
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    Robert Joseph

    In this country, not a shithole Muslim paradise , the Left is the crazed violent side, who want to turn our country into one of those aforementioned shitholes. I have a great idea. For those of you with leftist/Marxist ideology. Why don’t you migrate to Cuba? It already has all those things you want, like censorship, gun control and socialism. The weather is great, and the New Castro brother I am sure will welcome you. So, Bye!

    Ray
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    Ray

    DR,

    The details are available on the net. They are multi-year contracts. You are as free to read them as I am.

    http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-03-28/ne

    "U.S. agents will receive a maximum of 450 million rounds over five years, according to a press release on the deal. "

    Did you notice that the retired Maj General didn't provide a single source for his info in the article he wrote? Wonder why?

    DRoberts
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    DRoberts

    Your entitled to your opinion Ray. I suppose the Retired Major General isnt credible in your eyes either ?

    Ray
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    Ray

    Your headline blew any credibility you may have had.

    The ammo is NOT due to be delivered by 31 Dec 2012. They are multi-year contracts.

    If you can't get even that simple a fact right, how much do I trust the rest?

    BT Pusser
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    BT Pusser

    Carl Childers said:

    Every federal agency has at least one law enforcement component. Some agencies, such as DOJ, have multiple LE branches. There is nothing conspiratorial about this situation. Federal agents have training guidelines to meet and firearm qualifications on a quarterly basis is the norm. Everyone relax…

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    ?TRAINING? with JHP and AP rounds??? For delivery by 12/31/2012???

    Relax My A$$.

    You Sir are one of 2 things: LEO involved in this OR just plain IGNORANT!

    Read more at Ammoland.com: https://www.ammoland.com/2012/08/21/why-do-federa

    Dan
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    Dan

    Well Mr. Childers we certainly want to give the government the benefit of any doubt right???….one billion rounds of ammo….one billion….is that sinking in??….ONE BILLION! On top of the millions upon millions they already have. THINK!!!! Insofar as armed agencies…notice how all the cops look like soldiers now?? Gone are the pastel cop cars and tan on brown uniforms. Its the change we were told about. Yeah its changed alright.

    DRoberts
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    DRoberts

    Carl, are you seriously suggesting that there is nothing wrong with the Dept of EDUCATION having its own SWAT team ??? Cmon man. Like I said, the vast majority of these alphabet agencies could simply tap local resources to perform a raid if the situation reasonably called for such an action.

    Carl Childers
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    Carl Childers

    Every federal agency has at least one law enforcement component. Some agencies, such as DOJ, have multiple LE branches. There is nothing conspiratorial about this situation. Federal agents have training guidelines to meet and firearm qualifications on a quarterly basis is the norm. Everyone relax…

    Valorius
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    Valorius

    Well written article, and i agree. This is very unsettling.