Due Process-Denying Gun Ban Clears Hawaii Senate, Passage Expected

By David Codrea

“Anti-violence” demonstrators in front of the Hawaii State Capitol have no answer for what they’re prepared to do if marching doesn’t work, nor why marching is even needed if their “gun control” laws work so well.  Also left unanswered is why controlling “wall of separation progressives” aren’t outraged over a state-funded statue honoring Saint Damien of Molokaʻi on “public property.” (Photo: Hawaii Senate Majority/Facebook)

USA – -(Ammoland.com)- The Hawaii State Senate, by unanimous vote Tuesday, passed SB 898, “Relating to Firearms Owned, Possessed, or Controlled by Persons Who Pose a Serious Risk of Violence or Harm to Public Safety.” Introduced by State Senator Ronald Kouchi, the bill, gun owner rights advocates insist, poses a serious risk of harm to freedom.

“This bill has numerous flaws, some which include the revocation of the Constitutional rights without due process,” citizen activist George Pace told the Senate via submitted testimony from the Institute for Rational and Evidence-Based Legislation (scroll to pp 31 – 32 of 104). “If it could be made to conform to the Constitution, it should include banning the possession or control of any instrument or tool that could result in “violence or harm to public safety” (automobiles, knives, machetes, hammers, baseball bats, pipes, rocks, etc.).

“Rather than confiscating all such objects from a ‘proven’ dangerous person, that person should be removed from society and placed in a secure facility where they cannot harm the public until they have become no longer a danger,” Pace maintained. In other words, anyone who can’t be trusted with a gun can’t be trusted without a custodian.

Among the “problems” Pace identified:

  • Section (2)(C) would allow a police officer, based solely upon a second-hand report of an individual he “believes…is credible and reliable” to initiate the confiscation of firearms and ammunition of the individual who was observed by the third party. (Per separate correspondence with AmmoLand Shooting Sports News, Pace elaborated “It allows secondhand testimony to a police officer who then decides that the testimony is ‘reliable’ that the person is a ‘danger to public safety’ to be the bar for initiating an ex parte hearing (neither the presence nor even the informing of the accused nor any legal counsel is allowed) which would result in the confiscation of all firearms. Then, supposedly within 30 days, there would be a second hearing, with the accused and legal counsel present, where a further determination would be made as to the validity of charges.”)
  • Section (3)(f)(1) repeats the same unconstitutional lack of due process error by instating the error-prone Terrorist Screening Database as sufficient criteria to confiscate a person’s firearms.
  • Section (3)(f)(2) violates the First Amendment right to Free Speech. Since when is making a statement of a political nature a criminal act?
  • Section (3)(f)(3) “Whether the person has expressed a credible desire to kill or commit other criminal acts of violence against others.” So this bill would apply to all those people protesting against the newly inaugurated President of the United States who have made all kinds of statements regarding “violence against others,” correct?

“Confiscating a person’s firearms, based possibly on second-hand information, THEN after 30 days holding a hearing where ‘clear and convincing evidence’ [not ‘beyond a reasonable doubt’] must be presented, seem to have things backwards,” Pace concluded. “I thought that was how America worked: innocent until proven guilty.”

“Oh, did I mention that the Hawaii state senate is 100% Democrats?” Pace added in a supplemental statement to AmmoLand.

That would help explain why the “may issue” state opted for “may not” and did not issue any concealed carry permits in 2016. And per Pace, for 2015, there were 44 applications and 44 denials, with the stated reasons including “did not meet criteria/discretion/fails to meet urgency/insufficient reasons/not exceptional need.”

Per a summary he compiled, noting the attorney general did not start keeping records until 2000, state totals are:

2000 1 denial

2001 8 denials, 2 approved Maui

2002 4 denied

2003 1 denied

2004 5 denied

2005 6 denied

2006 1 issued Kauai

2007 7 denied

2008 1 denied

2009 3 denied Honolulu

2010 3 denied Honolulu

2011 8 denials Honolulu

2012 5 denials (4 Honolulu, 1 Maui)

2013 7 denials Honolulu, I issued Kauai

2014 19 denials Honolulu, 2 denials Kauai

While relief for that was anticipated from a Ninth Circuit three judge panel decision in Baker v. Kealoha following it’s rationale in the Peruta case, the court’s later en banc decision, finding no right to carry concealed, has put things back to square one. Unless the Supreme Court first hears it and then decides otherwise, gun owners will continue to be endangered and have their right to keep and bear arms denied. [*See correction/clarification from attorney Alan Beck at end of this article.]

As for SB898, its companion bill, HB1032 is expected to easily clear the Democrat-controlled House of Representatives, and then the package will go on to Democrat Governor, who is on record supporting gun purchase restrictions and licensing and opposing concealed carry, and who last year “signed a bill making [Hawaii] the first state to place its residents who own firearms in a federal criminal record database and monitor them for possible wrongdoing anywhere in the country…”

Expect this latest Intolerable Act to soon be a done deal. And for those who have had their hopes for a reprieve raised by this apparent glitch at the end:

Pace explains that’s merely “a ‘place holder’ at this stage of the bill. The real date of taking effect is added near the end of the process, usually during the final committee hearing or the joint House-Senate reconciliation committee if the bill gets changed after going from the originating body to the other.”

Not unexpectedly, those opposed to the right of the people to keep and bear arms, such as Colleen Hanabusa, U.S. representative for Hawaii’s 1st Congressional District, cite violence elsewhere as proof of the claim “Hawaii Has Shown That Gun Control Works.” The follow-up to that is the rest of the U.S. should emulate their laws.

If that’s even remotely true, it’s on the gun-grabbers to prove the irrelevance of population differences between Hawaii and high homicide concentration areas on the mainland, like Bloomberg cities. It’s also on them to explain why there’s one demographic throughout the Republic that has proven consistently more law-abiding and peaceable than Hawaiians: The five million members of the National Rifle Association, arguably the most heavily-armed civilian population on the planet.

Also see:Hawaii’s Gun Owner Registration Reporting Edict Fundamental to Enabling Confiscation

*   Correction/clarification from attorney Alan Beck:

After the initial Baker decision came out, our case was stayed pending the Peruta en banc decision.  After that ruling we were asked by our original three judge panel to file a brief explaining why our case Baker was different than Peruta.

In Baker we asked for a permit to carry either concealed or open unlike Peruta who only wanted concealed carry. Due to that our original Ninth circuit panel is about to issue another ruling in Baker. That has nothing to do with what happens in Peruta.

David Codrea in his natural habitat.

About David Codrea:

David Codrea is the winner of multiple journalist awards for investigating / defending the RKBA and a long-time gun owner rights advocate who defiantly challenges the folly of citizen disarmament.

In addition to being a field editor/columnist at GUNS Magazine and associate editor for Oath Keepers, he blogs at “The War on Guns: Notes from the Resistance,” and posts on Twitter: @dcodrea and Facebook.

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Jim S

Someone should file an FOIA request for the names of those who got the permits. Any bets they are prominent anti-gun individuals.

Here in the great communist/socialist state of California, the county of San Francisco has a no issue policy (thankfully I live on the east side of California). An FOIA was filed and a total of 4 concealed carry permits have been issued by the county. And one of those was to Diane Feinstein. So position and power do matter, the rest of us peons are out.

George Pace

I did file Hawaii’s equivalent to the FOIA request (Uniform Information Practices Act (UIPA)), and then appeals when the requests were denied or ignored, for that information. Maui claimed that the information on the two licenses they issued in 2001 no longer exists, and claim that no one currently employed by Maui PD knows anything about the cases. Kauai PD provided none of the information I requested (ALL the information about the applications and who made the decisions based upon what criteria, etc.) except to provide me one page photocopies of the (partial) applications with nearly everything redacted except for… Read more »


This is he same kind of BS legislation passed in Washington. Even a roommate you haven’t lived with for a year can say you are dangerous and scew over your rights. Unfortunately Hawaii is a blue state, so sad.


If the people do not unite behind trump and bombard their congressmen and senators with emails and calls to build a wall, pass everify at the fed level, deport all illegals, end the h1b visa program, take funding away from sanctuary cities and states, etc then this one day be playing out at the federal level in the US. Demographics are against us for maintaining the second amendment unless some radical changes are made in the first trump term. Trump is on our side, but ryan and mcconnel are not. We have to pressure the individual members of the senate… Read more »

Woody W Woodward

People in power fully intend to remain in power. Human rights be damn’d.


I think the banner pretty much explains it. “Women’s March Against Violence” and it is being held up by their cuckolds. That is who must be in their on Senate too. Cuckolds just obeying their mistresses, who if they grovel and bow properly, may just get the pegging they so desire.