Awash in Gun Control Laws, London Surpasses NYC For Murders

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Awash in Gun Control Laws, London Surpasses NYC For Murders

BELLEVUE, Wash., – -(Ammoland.com)- The shocking report that London's murder rate has surpassed the rate in New York City underscores the dirty little secret of gun control, the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms said today, since most of the London slayings were stabbings.

“Over the past 19 days,” said CCRKBA Chairman Alan Gottlieb, “there have been 15 London homicides, according to the Daily Mail. Last year, London recorded 80 fatal stabbings, which only proves that guns aren't the problem, criminals are. And when violent criminals don't have guns, they resort to other lethal weapons.”

Gottlieb noted that even in the United States, fatal stabbings outnumber murders with rifles and shotguns in any given year, according to the FBI Uniform Crime Report. This fact calls into question attempts to ban so-called “assault weapons” while nobody utters a peep about “knife control.”

“Our friends in the United Kingdom suffer under horribly restrictive gun laws, yet the murders in London reveal something anti-gunners everywhere refuse to acknowledge,” Gottlieb observed. “While the British have campaigned for people to turn in knives, it's clear from the body count in their capitol city that their outlaws are just like American criminals. They do not obey the laws against guns, knives or murder and mayhem.

“And that,” he stressed, “is the dirty little secret of gun control. Criminals always find a way to violate the law.

“The time has come for authorities on both sides of the Atlantic to admit that their decades-old campaigns of citizen disarmament have created an environment where criminals thrive,” he added. “Sadly, the people responsible for these restrictions, which penalize honest citizens, are just too cowardly to admit their failures. Instead, they hide behind the empty promises of new restrictions which won't work any better than the old restrictions, and that's a problem in both countries.”

Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms (CCRKBA)

With more than 650,000 members and supporters nationwide, the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms (www.ccrkba.org) is one of the nation's premier gun rights organizations. As a non-profit organization, the Citizens Committee is dedicated to preserving firearms freedoms through active lobbying of elected officials and facilitating grass-roots organization of gun rights activists in local communities throughout the United States.

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E. Bryan Hoover

Graham. the first hand information is very valuable ….

Thank-you for taking the time to share.

E. Bryan Hoover

Graham
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Graham

I was born and raised in England, now a proud US Citizen living (happily) in a gun friendly state. From my experience growing up, I can assure there have always been many parts of the UK that are downright scary at night. I have been mugged twice in London, the second time I was saved by my friend, who pleaded with the assailants to “let me go” – him (being black) saved my life. Having left in 1991, we returned to England in 2007 and lived there for 5 years, we had to come back to the US – we… Read more »

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@Graham what you describe here is what the democrats want for this country. I sincerely pray that there are enough of us left that don’t think this way that we can prevent this from becoming a reality. I know it is a reality in some areas but we need to limit that growth. All of the democrat leaders think they will be at the top of the totem pole when/and if this country should become socialists but I would be willing to bet they would be mud under someone’s boot.

E. Bryan Hoover
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E. Bryan Hoover

Oldvet, again. a hyperlink to the specific article;

Frankly, you, Oldvet, are just playing games…

E. Bryan Hoover

E. Bryan Hoover
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E. Bryan Hoover

Knife murders are up in London, as of 04/04/2008 — there are now more violent crime murders in London than New York City — when you take guns away from law abiding citizens — there are more murders by knives, murders by clubs and murders by illegal guns..

London Murders Exceed Those of New York

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Oldvet said, on April 6th, 2008,“@EBH…You sir are incorrect . As of 4/5/18 news comes out that death by gun violence is now higher in London than New York City .”

Oldvet, I am willing to be educated — where is the article from 4/5/2018 showing statistics of a more significant rise in gun caused deaths — if you can not — or will not – provide them — well talk is cheap…

E. Bryan Hoover

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Oldvet

@EBH…Shotgun Sporting News -Actually posted on 4/3 . Article Awash in Gun Control Laws, London Surpasses NYC for Murders . Enjoy

tomcat
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tomcat

@Wild Bill I think he waived the white flag, at least we can hope so. It was getting very boring to listen to the crap he was spewing. It is apparent he wouldn’t do well in this country unless he focused on being with liberals. Yea, it is a little late for frost and it will shock several blooming plants. I think we had a low of 30. Have a good day.

E. Bryan Hoover
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E. Bryan Hoover

Tom Webster writes, on Apri 7th, 2008: ‘Unfortunately EBH doesn’t actually READ the responses put to him …. The violent crime rate in London IS higher than New York for the first time in 200 years. This fact corresponds to un upward spike in London and a downward spike in New York. In 2016 there were 130 gun and knife caused homicides in London, 290 in New York. …” Tom Webster continues to confuse violent crime caused murders, with gun caused murders. Tom Webster continues to cite violent crime caused murders (statistics which Tom Webster continues to cite), with gun… Read more »

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Wiid Bill

@EBH, No one gives a damn about any opinion of a socialist european. This british troll is just fishing for responses, so that he can get paid.

E. Bryan Hoover
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E. Bryan Hoover

From USA Today, April 6th 2008, six people in London stabbed in 90 months ? No … 90 weeks ? No … 90 days ? No … 90 hours ? N0 … 90 minutes ? Yes, repeat YES … Gun control makes taking a knife to a gun fight a reasonable idea… https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/04/06/six-teenagers-stabbed-london-90-minutes/492382002/ London crime wave: Shock as six teenagers stabbed in 90 minutes LONDON — Shocked residents of the British capital called for an end to a surge in violence that now includes six teenagers stabbed in the space of 90 minutes. The incidents came days after London’s murder… Read more »

E. Bryan Hoover
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E. Bryan Hoover

To: Tom Webster Gun control works for the criminal. It makes Illegal murder (the only kind there is) work better for criminals – murder by knife, murder by club, and murder by illegal gun. Gun control does not, repeat NOT, work for the law abiding citizen, nor does it work for society, UNLESS YOU BELIEVE IN A SOCIETY RUN BY THE STRONGEST AND MOST RUTHLESS. You, Tom Webster. cite no. repeat NO, statistics for gun crime — you cite only statistics for murder (including knife murders and club murders) and statistics for violent crime. You, Tom Webster, are not talking… Read more »

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@EBH, The british have a long history of debate. That is all they do, and that is why they are still subjects. The british government loves to have their subjects engage in endless and useless debate. It keeps the serfs busy.
This particular brit wants to stick his long english nose into our affairs, probably for new debate material. His life time of ceaseless debate will never change anything.

E. Bryan Hoover
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E. Bryan Hoover

Tom Webster wrote: “Whilst I would love to believe this statement, unfortunately it is untrue. Gun crime is also up in London. Crime in general is up in London. The reality of UK gun crime statistics since the beginning of the 20th Century is that successive gun control activity has had no impact, plus or minus, on violent crime and homicides. If you study a graph of homicides against time you would not be able to identify when the first Firearms Act came into force” The facts you cite, SUPPORT MY POSITION (E. Bryan Hoover’s position), not, repeat NOT, your… Read more »

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Tom Webster

@E.Bryan Hoover. If your position is that gun control doesn’t work then yes definitely I support your position. If you are sticking to the quaint notion that knife and gun crime is on the increase because of gun control then I am afraid I do not. In the UK the stats are well kept and from a purely academic perspective we have had an interesting experience, namely the Firearms Act of 1922. Overnight the majority of firearms were stripped from the populace. However, if you study graphs of homicide rates across the century you would not be able to identify… Read more »

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Oldvet

@EBH…You sir are incorrect . As of 4/5/18 news comes out that death by gun violence is now higher in London than New York City .

Tom Webster
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Tom Webster

Unfortunately EBH doesn’t actually READ the responses put to him and cannot identify when someone is in the main agreeing with him. The violent crime rate in London IS higher than New York for the first time in 200 years. This fact corresponds to un upward spike in London and a downward spike in New York. In 2016 there were 130 gun and knife caused homicides in London, 290 in New York. This year it is likely to end up the other way round. As of today the gun and knife caused homicide rate for 2018 in London stands at… Read more »

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E. Bryan Hoover

Oldvet said: “@EBH…You sir are incorrect . As of 4/5/18 news comes out that death by gun violence is now higher in London than New York City .”

Oldvet, I am willing to be educated — where is the article from 4/5/2018 showing statistics of a more significant rise in gun caused deaths — if you can not — or will not – provide them — well talk is cheap…

E. Bryan Hoover

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@EBH …Shooting Sports News of 4/4

E. Bryan Hoover
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E. Bryan Hoover

Again. a hyperlink to the specific article;

Frankly, you, Oldvet, are just playing games,

E. Bryan Hoover

Wild Bill
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@EBH, When you ask a question, you are stuck with what ever answer you are given. You asked and OV answered. Now, it is done.
Frankly, I think that it was nice of him to answer at all. Because you stand as equals, answering is not required.

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@WB…etal…With my schedule sometimes I’m not here for a day or so Didn’t mean to start an argument and then not be here. When the phone rings I go. Thanks . At the risk of doing it again, There is an article on townhall.com by Scott Morefield. If anyone is interested . It starts talking about the murder rate and goes into what they are doing in the direction of knife control . Including the fact that anyone in London can be stopped on the street and searched. Wonder if swords are considered knifes , and if people there will… Read more »

E. Bryan Hoover
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E. Bryan Hoover

There is a dirty little secrete in London…

Gun control laws have made it safe for criminals to use clubs, knives and illegal guns, to murder the law abiding, and disarmed, citizens of London.

The numbers do not lie — the gun grabbers proudly pronounce that gun murders are down – while they make it safe for criminals with clubs and knives and illegal guns to murder – Murders from all causes are way, way up — according to the gun grabbers own numbers.

Tom Webster
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Tom Webster

Whilst I would love to believe this statement, unfortunately it is untrue. Gun crime is also up in London. Crime in general is up in London. The reality of UK gun crime statistics since the beginning of the 20th Century is that successive gun control activity has had no impact, plus or minus, on violent crime and homicides. If you study a graph of homicides against time you would not be able to identify when the first Firearms Act came into force, or the successive bans following the Hungerford and Dunblane shootings. Short and simple, gun control does not work.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Tom Webster, Who the hell cares what happened in London? If the criminals or moslems in London used club crime, or knife crime, or rock crime to kill every other subject in London and made themselves the government… then I would not care.

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Tom Webster

@Wild Bill To answer the question you so eloquently formulated, I care.

Wild Bill
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@TW, Not my country, and not my problem. You, however, are either a liar or your caring means nothing or are in full armed revolt against the British government to emancipate your people. Which?

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Tom Webster

@WB. So just to get this straight, in your book, if it is not part of the country you currently reside in the best attitude is to not care about anything that happens (and yet read articles about it and feel the need to comment). To care means the only solution is to get into armed revolt? Seems a somewhat draconian approach to problem solving. 😉

Wild Bill
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@TW, The british people are subjects. Sovereignty is in the government. I do not think that the british government will just hand over Sovereignty to the people. You are going to have to fight for it.
Until the british people take sovereignty for them selves, as we Americans did, the british people will remain serfs, cannon fodder, and replaceable by other populations. No that is not draconian.
But that is not my problem, thus I have no standing to complain. Just as you have no standing to complain about anything in my country.

Oldvet
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Oldvet

@Tom …Tell me one place where they have excepted all those immigrants That crime isn’t up. Did you ever hear of NO GO zones before that ?

Tom Webster
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Tom Webster

@Oldvet Yes, I can tell you one place where they have accepted all those immigrants that crime isn’t up: the USA. Oh wait, got it wrong, crime’s up there too. :/

Oldvet
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Oldvet

@EBH…Once again. As of 4/5/18 news comes out that death by gun violence is now higher in London than New York City.

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Isn’t that typical, this Frank Hutt comes here from another country and says we need to change our ways but the country he comes from is worse off than ours. I am so sick of these Englishmen coming here and voicing their negative opinions at us. We don’t have to support a Queen and family that does nothing but lives like a Queen. Keep in mind that London has a Muslim mayor so maybe N.Y. needs one. If you can’t get guns then use knives (they are easier to make), hammers, spears, bombs, vehicles or whatever else your distorted little… Read more »

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Tcat, Yeah, they want us to be like them. That is a laugh. That is why we threw them out in the first place. The brits can not control and manipulate us by force so they seek to control and manipulate us by a stream of endless words. We refuse to be their asset.

Tom Webster
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Tom Webster

@WB. I have travelled extensively throughout the US and the UK and many other nations across this World. Trust me “They want us to be like them” is the furthest thing from my my mind. I love the way the different countries have their own quaint ways of doing things. Please do carry on with your rant, I have plenty of popcorn.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Tcat, I believe that our british troll is fishing for replies, so that he can get paid more.

tomcat
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tomcat

@Wild Bill they all think they are so much smarter than we are. If that is the case why do they have less freedoms and have to support a queen and her tribe? I think you are right the troll thinks he can teach us something and earn Soros money while getting it done. As Maco would say”stupid is as stupid does”.
If he is in charge of that many guns he must work for her majesty.

tomcat
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tomcat

@Wild Bill second reply, This troll called you an idiot. Maybe he would like to compare credentials with you. I won’t ask him because I do not want to put and more Soros money in his pocket.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Tcat, He is obviously fishing for replies. That leads me to suspect his purpose here, and calls into question everything he has written. I think the paid Soros/Bloomberg internet trollers are getting more sophisticated.
Had frost this morning, very bad for the peach trees.

Wild Bill
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@Tcat, Yeah, for being so superior, he sure has boring insults. He claims to be british ( and who would claim that who was not one), but for having a generational command of the mother tongue, he sure has unimaginative smack. Everyone from my first Drill Sergeant to my Brigade Commander had better insults. My horse has better insults.
If he does come from the land of Ben Johnston, Shakespeare, and Oscar Wilde, then he surely does not come up to standard. Must be the offspring an unprepossessing dullard.

Tom Webster
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Tom Webster

@WB. I have re-read both your and my comments and have reached the following conclusion. Everything you have accused me of you have actually been the perpetrator of. You do not even even use your real name. The only conclusion is therefore that, other than being a bully, which is obvious in every comment you have made from the very first, it is YOU who is the somewhat simple minded troll and as such I refuse to rise further to your inflammatory left wing commentary. With that in mind I have cut off any further comments from this ridiculous feed… Read more »

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I lived on Sydney st in London from 1995-2009. I worked as a private tutor and substitute teacher . Gun control has created an enormous demand for handguns in Great Britain. Many smuggled from N.Spain and former Eastern Block nations. The truth is the British government could care less. In the USA it looks like an overthrow of government by the military along with populist mid America.Young Gentile Americans along with Muslims must work together …!

Tom Webster
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Tom Webster

I’m not sure what kind of trip this Frank Hutt is on but he displays very little knowledge. As someone actively involved in the firearms industry and previously involved in Police training in the UK, I refute the claims that there is enormous demand for handguns. London itself has just this week surpassed 50 homicides. There have been shootings amongst these but stabbings far outweigh these. Interestingly the stabbings have been from a variety of implements. Whilst knives receive a lot of press coverage, the reality is that sharpened screwdrivers are becoming more prevalent, as are other common tools, ball… Read more »

bullshit caller
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bullshit caller

this is bullshit

notalima
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notalima

But GUN murders are down! Winner!

See: Progressivism: Goals.

Wankers.

yup
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yup

gun control doesn’t regulate other stuff you idiots

ExGob
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ExGob

Gun control laws can only regulate gun manufacturers, licensed gun dealers and some gunsmiths. ANYONE who wants a gun can and will get whatever kind he/she wants, one way or another. Anyone who doesn’t have a gun, and wants one to commit a crime, doesn’t give a damn about any laws relative to gun purchase, ownership, possession or carry. The punishments prescribed for using a gun in the commission of a crime are far more severe than any gun control laws, and anyone who isn’t concerned about gun use laws, certainly isn’t concerned about gun control laws. Anyone who thinks… Read more »