Fail to Plan, Plan to Fail: What to do for the next Anti-gun President

Both Bill Clinton and Barack Obama won two terms as President while attacking our Second Amendment rights. (Official White House photo)

Washington, DC – -(AmmoLand.com)-  Right now, in some ways, Second Amendment supporters should be feeling very good. We have seen two very strong pro-Second Amendment justices on the Supreme Court, making Chief Justice John Roberts – who voted to strike down the handgun bans in Chicago and Washington, D.C., the swing vote. We have a pro-Second Amendment president who is nominating more pro-Second Amendment judges, and a Senate that is confirming them.

But what happens when there is an anti-Second Amendment president in office after Trump? That is not unthinkable. Both Bill Clinton and Barack Obama won two terms while attacking our right to keep and bear arms. Their judicial appointments are generally hostile to the Second Amendment – the three justices appointed by Clinton and Obama (Ginsburg, Breyer, and Sotomayor) who heard the McDonald case voted to uphold Chicago’s handgun ban.

Ideally, the anti-Second Amendment president loses the election and never takes office. We can ensure that by securing Second Amendment support in the suburbs, promoting it in urban areas, and to also overcome language barriers. But we all know that despite the best efforts of Second Amendment supporters, that isn't what happens.

So, what do we do should an anti-Second Amendment president take office? The time to plan is now – before the moment hits. If we fail to plan to protect our Second Amendment rights in those difficult times, we’re planning to fail to protect our Second Amendment rights.

So, what should our plan be? The first step is to leverage what we do have: To wit, use a pro-Second Amendment president and United States Senate to confirm pro-Second Amendment judges. This provides a firewall that can declare gun bans unconstitutional. But firewalls can be breached. This is the last line of defense against an anti-gun president.

The next step is to work to elect a strong pro-Second Amendment bench: State lawmakers, local officials, state’s attorney, even the school board. This is where many governors, attorneys general, Congressmen, and Senators get their start. And while President Trump is an exception, most presidents have once been governors or Senators in the past.

This farm team also has its uses. If you elect enough of these lower-level officials, you can literally block an anti-Second Amendment president or governor from pushing through that agenda. In 1999, a GOP Congress killed Bill Clinton’s post-Littleton gun-control agenda. In 2013, a Republican House was a bulwark against Obama’s efforts to reinstate an arbitrary semi-auto ban after Newtown. Think of this as another firewall, the third-best defense against an anti-gun president.

Now, we come to the second-best defense against an anti-Second Amendment president: You boot him (or her as the case may be) out after one term. To do this, you need that solid farm team to produce a contender. This can work out reasonably well, but that anti-Second Amendment president still has four years’ worth of time to wield regulatory power and the bully pulpit.

When all is said and done, the best defense for an anti-Second Amendment president is to make sure one isn’t elected in the first place. But it is foolish to place our rights in that basket. We need to make sure that we have adequate plans to withstand the next president who will try to deprive us of our rights.


Harold Hu, chison

About Harold Hutchison

Writer Harold Hutchison has more than a dozen years of experience covering military affairs, international events, U.S. politics and Second Amendment issues. Harold was consulting senior editor at Soldier of Fortune magazine and is the author of the novel Strike Group Reagan. He has also written for the Daily Caller, National Review, Patriot Post, Strategypage.com, and other national websites.

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    The Green Watch Dog
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    Revelater: : From another trusted source I pulled: “The Crime Prevention Research Center is a nonprofit founded in 2013 by John Lott, author of the book “More Guns, Less Crime.” He is best known as an advocate in the gun rights debate, particularly his arguments against restrictions on owning and carrying guns. Lott’s work has been called “junk science” as he has been accused of accepting funding from the National Rifle Association”. Comments that you post, along with paranoia that the boogie man is coming to get you, is quite amusing. I cite trusted sources, information that is unbiased, and… Read more »

    The Revelator
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    The Revelator

    @The Green Watch Dog “I cite trusted sources, information that is unbiased, and accepted by all fronts.” No you don’t. The Alex Jones issue and the fact that multiple people here are able to pick apart your sources here is proof that the “All Fronts” statement is a flat lie. Unbiased? The problem with your pew poll is that it was intentionally done to create and show a bias(Pro Control) and was discredited years ago. ” From another trusted source I pulled” Hmmm, Interesting… No citation of the source.. Looks like GWD doesn’t want us to know this time since… Read more »

    The Green Watch Dog
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    Revelater,
    From FBI statistics, in the United States there were 179,000+ arrested on weapon charges. In 2014, the number was 140,000+. Are you disappointed that the number has decreased? To clue you in, these were criminals, not up standing citizens like yourself. Our government, those that represent it, are here to protect us. They are not going door to door to confiscate your guns. I suggest you make this New Year’s resolution and enroll in a yoga class so you can chill out.

    The Revelator
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    The Revelator

    @The Green Watch Dog Still no citation on the other issues, but since you brought the FBI and law enforcement into it let me point something out. You have advocated violations of the second amendment under the misinforming title and lie of “Reforms.” I have cited the Constitution, which states what types of laws are legal or illegal for Government to pass or enforce. The Constitution over rules both the Federal Government and any Law Enforcement agency because it is the law which governs how they exist. Our Government and Law Enforcement are bound to obey the constitution whether they… Read more »

    Green Mtn. Boy
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    @ The Revelator

    You Nailed It ! The other Green, GMB.

    The Green Watch Dog
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    The Green Watch Dog

    From the PEW Institute Revelater, here are your numbers that your requested.
    I’ve have cited well known gun right activist as well as unbiased reports as the one here.
    You will find it informative, accurate, with a broad based study.
    http://www.people-press.org/2013/01/14/in-gun-control-debate-several-options-draw-majority-support/

    The Revelator
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    @ The Green Watch Dog. Ok, So now we get to the “poll” issue. First of all, Polling can be rigged depending on the call list. Second, It is highly dependent on who answers the polling calls. Third, The way the questions are worded impact the way people answer(This one is especially used to Skew numbers to a bias) Pew has a long history of pushing this very poll, they’ve been at it for a decade. In fact, they’ve been documented as having doing this by the Crime Prevention Research Center since at least 2013. https://crimeresearch.org/2013/12/remember-those-claims-that-80-to-90-of-americans-wanted-the-senate-background-check-bill-to-pass-well-it-was-clearly-wrong/ CPRC and John Lott… Read more »

    The Green Watch Dog
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    Although a number of pro gun activists steer away from Alex Jones’s enhanced behavior on Info Wars, he still captures the gun barrel sights of some notable organizations. Organizations that continue to advertise on his show. Organizations that believe as he does. I personally find some of his topics credible, informative, and issues that we all need to have a concern for. As for his gun rights attitude, he is a little over the top for me.
    http://www.nationalmemo.com/still-advertises-alex-jones-infowars-nra/

    The Revelator
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    @ The Green Watch Dog Ok, again we have a diversion tactic here. You are trying to steer away from the question again, this time by purposely avoiding anything that could be connected to it(Like your previous attempts at demanding Compliance). Took a look at your link and noticed it was mostly trying to link the NRA to Alex Jones. Here is the problem with that. Myself and a great many others here on ammoland are very anti NRA because they have been stabbing us in the Back since the 1980s on a regular basis. Citing that link gets you… Read more »

    The Green Watch Dog
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    For Revelater,
    I pulled Alex Jones because he is such a staunch gun rights spokesperson for our nation. I well remember the time he had President Donald J. Trump on his talk show before he became President. Both complimented and supported each other in their political values. As for your insane question about hurting gun patriots of this nation: We are all in this issue together. In a respectful, come to the table to discuss. To address problems we face to solve with each other. Not to be combative or to threaten.

    The Revelator
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    The Revelator

    @The Green Watch Dog First, We are not coming to that table. Our rights are not up for debate, they are not up for you to tell us we have to compromise on them. We will not give you a choice. You have two options. Your ideas go out the window in regards to gun control of any kind and any violation of the constitution you want to have, or you have to come and put a bullet in every one of our heads. And yes, we will defend ourselves and fight back. We will not comply because it is… Read more »

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    2brknot2bfree

    I listened to AJ for a bit back in the early 1990’s. I could not find anything credible about his rants. In fact. most of it was based on his fallacious prophecy beliefs. beliefs which are not backed by true Biblical teaching. Most of Christianity discounts prophecy, even tho’ the Bible is heavy with it. However, the type of prophecy is the key, and AJ seems to be more a profiteer, than a prophet.

    Furtheromore, his conspiracy bs is often incoherent, long winded, and not worthy of my, or anyone’s, time.

    The Revelator
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    The Revelator

    @2brknot2bfree It should be stated Christianity discounts new prophecy, because Christianity takes its roots in the new testament and Jesus is held to be the last and ultimate and that only through him as the messiah is the salvation prophesied in the Old Testament made real. Alex Jones creating his own prophecy would go against this, and indeed you hit the nail on the head. Personally, I find he is good for two things, comedic relief(he fits the part of a jester), and as a reminder of how stupid a human being can become when they start viewing themselves as… Read more »

    The Revelator
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    The Revelator

    Oh and Everyone, notice how he didn’t cite any numbers yet again?

    Infidel
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    Infidel

    What we need in this country is a civil war to wipe out liberals and parasite.

    The Green Watch Dog
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    The Green Watch Dog

    Those who support sensible gun control, responsible ownership, and safety can accomplish these issues. The majority of Americans agree and support them.

    tuesdayissoylentgreenday
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    tuesdayissoylentgreenday

    Wrong , no such thing as what you are saying… ask Stalin and Hitler.

    The Revelator
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    The Revelator

    @The Green Watch Dog The majority of Americans do not support what is being billed as “Sensible gun control.” Never have, and most likely never will. Here is what we hear being described as sensible. 1. “Assault Weapons” bans Determining which firearms should be banned based only on what they look like, or accessories that do not change the function of the firearm(Including how many it can use) 2. Magazine Capacity limits Anyone who actually shoots or practices knows this is dead. The time it takes to reload does not impact lethality, and 30 Rounds is a STANDARD AR mag,… Read more »

    The Green Watch Dog
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    Revelater, you and a few others in this country may not care for it as a number of states already have on their books red flag laws, Thirteen states have enacted this law and is now enforced. Two states have it under proposal. A number of other states have decided not to approve under the state’s current lawmakers. As I noted here and on other forums, this and other gun control measures are supported by a majority of those polled. I am confident that our future generation will continue to enjoy the freedom we hold now. You, myself and others… Read more »

    The Revelator
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    @The Green Watch Dog. Ok, Since you want to say a majority support, do you have numbers to back it up? Do you have a census of the entire American populace? If you do prove it. Currently all you are doing is claiming you have the majority. I claim you don’t. Show us the numbers. Further more, Red Flag laws are unconstitutional. I wrote this to ChipTheBarber on another article laying out why. “To do a red flag law, any person can state you are a threat with no crime committed. You are not notified of this accusation, you are… Read more »

    The Green Watch Dog
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    My information is accurate and comes from reliable sources. One such source is Alex Jones. A well known radio commentator that stands up for gun rights. Again, red flag laws are supported as a whole including most gun rights activists From Alex’s website he reports: “Trump Administration: Even the Executive branch is joining in on the red-flag craze. The Trump Administration’s Commission on School Safety recently released a report recommending red flag laws as a means to “address school safety and violence.” It’s likely only a matter of time before legislation is introduced in either chamber of Congress now that… Read more »

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    The socialist lunch dog says “…be compliant…” That presumes that the government is the boss. He also thinks that he will be one of the elites if the democrat national socialists take over. But he will not. When he is no longer useful, he will be eliminated. Socialism requires only a few and their children at the top.

    The Revelator
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    @The Green Watch Dog You Saying it is accurate doesn’t make it accurate, and you also did not answer my question. How many people are you ready to murder to force your ideas on us because we wont comply? Now, for the fun part….. Alex Jones? Seriously, Alex Jones? Mr. “Chemicals in the water are turning the Frogs Gay” Alex Jones? Mr. “The Government put children on a 20 year rocket ride in space to be slaves on the Martian Colony” Alex Jones? First rule. If you want to look credible, don’t cite a raving lunatic as your source. Alex… Read more »

    The Revelator
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    @Wild Bill

    He wont be one of the ones going door to door that’s for sure.

    He’s got his berries pulled so far up inside he keeps them warm with his armpits. I doubt they will be dropping anytime soon.

    Wild Bill
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    @Rev, No one likes the Free Lunch Dog very much. An obvious socialist, he tries to camouflage himself as a regular member of the family of responsible gun owners. I hope that he lives in a big city.

    The Revelator
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    @Wild Bill.

    I know, but he’s my punching bag right now. The fact that he is so easy to take apart. He can’t help but trip over his own feet in his rush to destroy himself..

    Just remember, his tears go to a good cause lubricating the many fine weapons that will never be turned in.

    2brknot2bfree
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    Green Dog sounds like an Aussie, or Canuckian (Canadian), and likely isn’t an American at all.

    2brknot2bfree
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    2brknot2bfree

    There are so many more. NY is finding out. Proposed new laws for the state are million dollar insurance policies to own a gun, more bans to ammo, gun types, other arms. Pretty soon you won;t even be able to own a butter knife, let alone a steak knife. The left has gone full bonkers. Red flag laws were covered by S.A.F.E., Andy ‘L’il Duce’ Cuomo’s post CT school shooting law, which was written in such a convoiluted manner even the NYSP, tasked with letting the good folks know what may, or may not, be owned insofar as an AW… Read more »

    Mr. T
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    When you use the WORDS Sensible, Responsible and Safety like that you could argue that most americans could agree to Socialism – but when you boil it down to what it actually is, I call BS. Gun Control is DICTATORSHIP to who controls it. That’s not freedom. Responsible ownership? Guns don’t shoot themselves… stop blaming the guns! Safety? Freedom has risk and the founding fathers knew that. What happens when the 2nd amendment is watered down to nothing???????? The word is called TYRANNY!

    Green Mtn. Boy
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    @ The Green Watch Dog
    If Alex Jones stated that 5 + 5 = 10 I wouldn’t use it as a quote.

    DJ
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    Truth be told and the writings on the wall that an all out gun control is inevitable.

    Wild Bill
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    DJ, Don’t give up so easily. No gun control is sensible because that is just a cover for taking away the Civil Rights that the founding fathers won for us. Most Americans agreeing is a free lunch dog lie. Most Americans can not agree on the color of an orange. We can orchestrate general strikes. For example: we pick some week to strike. On the first day, we all call in sick, and if you are a business owner don’t open that day. Go to the bank and take out cash for expenses, and don’t use our credit card for… Read more »

    Jack
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    The “Bump Stock” is and was a toy in the hands of those that see them as such but most importantly..Train with them as such.
    As is a wrench, pliers, computer, car lift, airplane, rocket and anything else you feel “you can justify”
    A “Defibrillator” is a Toy, a Life Saving Device…
    and a Excellent Coercion Device…
    Depending on how you Train with it.

    Jim Mackey
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    The focus is always on big government, however local government is also super important guys! Can say that NY is not seen as a very gun friendly state, but depending on where you live its actually not that difficult to get concealed carry licenses. The reason why is their “may issue” permitting scheme is decided by judges on the county level, elect pro-2A judges and get more “liberal” permitting. So this is only one example, and the obvious ideal situation is overturning NY’s unconstitutional may issue scheme, however it can be remedied or at least buffered by good use of… Read more »

    2brknot2bfree
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    Problem is, judges making these decisions have a 10 year run in which to screw the NY citizens. You can’t impeach them, or take their seat from them, short of some form of malfeasance, say, found in possession of kiddie porn. A judge who no longer wished to sit the bench after his 30 year run, and impact on gun owners by restricting their permits, was found to have gaggles of kiddie porn which was deposited in a dumpster behind a local eatery in the county. I doubt he ever saw the inside of a jail cell, and would say… Read more »

    Deplorable Bill
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    There are laws that enslave men and there are laws that set men free. Either what we know to be right and good and true IS right and good and true, for ALL mankind–under GOD or there is little hope. There is no such thing as justice when you hold no law higher than your own. So, first make sure you are well grounded in Biblical Scripture (the place where all law is supposed to start) and base al your own laws upon them. Most of us know this nation is founded upon the BIBLE wither you believe or not.… Read more »

    Core
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    I get folks are angry at NRA and the President for their compromises on gun control: they drink the Koolaid. President Trump will win his next term: as long as we get off our couches and vote. I don’t believe the bump-stock executive order is constitutional, and it will hash itself out in court: as long as we push the issue. We should have pushed many issues, but too many of us didn’t get off the couch: and drank the Koolaid.. It’s easier to win this war before blood is shed if we get off the couch and vote! We… Read more »

    Ansel Hazen
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    Take one look at the midterm elections and you have to see that ship has sailed Core. The DOJ and Courts are corrupt and working hand in hand with those hell bent on destroying our country. Our elections process is a fraud. If one side cheats and the other side doesn’t guess who will “win” in the end? Your legislators aren’t listening because they don’t have to anymore. There is only one way to save this country and it ain’t at the ballot box.

    Wild Bill
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    @Ansel H, I have to disagree. We sledge hammered the libtards in the head in the 2016 federal elections, and this president can determine the course of the federal judiciary for the next 100 years, if we pressure the Repub. Senators to support Trump’s judicial choices. We didn’t do too badly, but could have done better in these last mid-term elections. In 2020, we have a chance to return the House to conservative hands, and strengthen the conservative hold on the Senate. Only we the people can drain the legislative swamp. There is plenty of time to get into a… Read more »

    Scotty Gunn
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    Scotty Gunn

    It will happen someday.

    Dare
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    Dare

    And will be ignored just like restrictions are being ignored in Connecticut and New Jersey. Comply rates are at epic fail levels. There aren’t enough jails if all gun owner say “No.”

    2brknot2bfree
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    2brknot2bfree

    There are other forms of punishment besides jail. A court battle will cost upwards of $25,000, much more if you wish to appeal.Imagine if, at that, no jail time is imposed, but a fine which equals, or exceeds, the value of all your assets is imposed. In essence you will be working for quite some time simply to pay the state its fine, and anything, and everything, you own will be confiscated to help pay the fine. This leaves you destitute. You are now no longer a threat to them short of deciding to take matters into your own hands.

    The Green Watch Dog
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    Its going to be a “go lets fight win” for ever increasing gun control measures. And, some of these measures will be for the well being of our nation; for the good of a collective society. However, many gun control measures will hinder our rights to bear and own arms. They will in fact do more harm than good. The left is much more pumped up for the upcoming elections and the younger generations are demanding change.

    Bill
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    “Change” being, “We’re tired of freedom, and don’t even really understand it. Let the government make our lives all peachy, because regular people can’t get that done.” Suicidal foolishness.

    Robert Messmer
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    Robert Messmer

    Quote: “And, some of these measures will be for the well being of our nation;…” No gun control measure ever did anything to better the well being of our nation.

    m.
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    .there are no “gun control measures”…which benefit the “well-being/good of a collective society”
    .try reforming the behavior of the predominant race(s) of the shooters/victims, the political sub-divisions where the acts occur, and the political office-holders. let me know how that works.

    —a 10% person of color

    douglas Rhoads
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    Someday the only solution may be a shooting solution. Some people think that is crazy but if it gets to that point and they are going house to house taking peoples property, namely guns,what are you gonna do.

    Russ
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    Russ

    exactly.

    mikeL
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    mikeL

    Affitmative! Locked n loaded….

    Bill
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    Bill

    That’s not a time to hide your guns, but rather to bring them out.

    Charlie Foxtrot
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    Charlie Foxtrot

    Classic Internet chest thumping. Today’s gun owners are not even willing to peacefully assemble to fight for their rights. What makes you think they will “stick to their guns” when the time comes? Nobody will be going house to house! That’s just the crazy talk of the guy sitting at home in front of their TV in their MOLON LABE shirt. The revolution will be canceled as nobody supplies beer and Twinkies. MEAL TEAM 6 is getting a heart attack while carrying their guns from the house to the truck. The vast majority of gun owners belongs to the gang… Read more »

    Jack
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    Jack

    I earned my lesson under the Clinton Pedo Admin.
    Never again!

    That pessimistic farmer
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    That pessimistic farmer

    2A as we knew it has been lost. It’s as dead as a heart shot deer blowing chunks of lung out both entrance and exit wounds, still running but the crash is coming. NY, California, NJ, Massachusetts… is the future. Because it is the present for soon to be a majority of the population. The connected (political and police) and the wealthy, will always have access to arms, ammunition and training, the rest of the subjects has been allowed a “rational regulated” ration of self determination. The ration portion remeasuring will satisfy most, while some expect a healthier slice the… Read more »

    Frank
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    The NRA are also traitors to the cause, and are losing members left and right over their support for the bump stock ban. They will never see another dime from me: I will instead support organizations that truly support our rights, such as the 2nd Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America, and the Firearms Policy Coalition. The NRA has a long track record of supporting gun control (Hughes Amendment, anyone?). It’s unacceptable, and time for a new lobby to hold the power and stop the anti-gun folks in their tracks. Otherwise, we’ll likely see bloodshed within the next couple of… Read more »

    Carl
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    The most obvious is that at some point we will have all democratic control of the government. The republican Party is weak and spineless and scared to death to stand up against them. They’ve had two years to work with Trump to get things done and still balk at working with him. Fact is, Obama used executive orders unchecked by them and when Trump uses one the left brings lawsuits and stops them. Nothing much is getting done. With that being said, our second amendment rights will be taken away eventually. The small arms treaty/act that was presented by Obama… Read more »

    Deplorable ruski
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    All treasonous unconstitutional lawmakers will be punished by death.. much as people think they are not untouchable.. they will either die or have to bury themselves alive in their little bunkers which may actually be worse than death because they’ll all die eventually anyway

    2brknot2bfree
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    2brknot2bfree

    The government cannot take that which you will not cede, short of death. “FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS,” should be every pro-constitution patriots motto. If it is not, then how can you call yourself patriot?

    The Green Watch Dog
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    2broknotbefree,
    The wicked government, headed by Nancy, is not coming to get your guns or anyone’s else. Unless you are a mean violent hoodlum with purple hair. If so, your hands will still be warm when they unwrap those fingers off the gun stock. Gun reform should not be scary.

    The Revelator
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    @ The Green Watch Dog Oh look, there it is. Green watch dog signaling that those the Government or he himself deem to be violent hoodlums will be flat out shot by our government. For what Crime? Resisting their ideas of “Gun Reform” He also tries to back track on other statements he has made where he said “You will all have to comply and line up to turn in your firearms or property” under his ideas of these reforms. Wait, he said no one is coming to get your guns, but he said before you will be forced to… Read more »

    Wild Bill
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    @Rev, If that is the best face that the Mean Watch Dog can put on their (his, and an avaricious government) intentions, then things are going to be scary. By what authority does this illiterate think that an iniquitous government can reform anything related to guns?

    The Revelator
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    @Wild Bill That’s because he has already stated his true beliefs, but he is not smart enough to realize that he let it out. He has been trying to “appear” reasonable and unpretentious as a way to cause confusion and sound rational. His actual beliefs are that the constitution has no validity and that the Government is able to force its will upon us as long as its “will” aligns with his opinions and desires of which is currently stated gun control. Any who disagree with his vision he automatically puts as people who need to be put down if… Read more »

    2brknot2bfree
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    2brknot2bfree

    Facts are terrible things. Fact 1: gun owners are notoriously lax when it comes to voting, or joining organizations that support them. When they do join, they expect that their small pittance in dues should suffice, and that the organization should do all it can using that small pittance to promote 2A. Fact 2: The apathy in the gun owner community stinks to high heaven. I have sat tables trying to convince gun owners to join pro-2A organizations, and it is like pulling eye teeth, and molars. They think they are simply going to shoot it out in the dead… Read more »

    Timothy Votaw
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    Timothy Votaw

    A great and fundamental beginning would be for the lazy SOB’s, who sat out the recent election, did not vote, and may have contributed to many of the losses we incurred that led to the House falling back under the corrupt, biased leadership of the Democrats, to get off those lazy asses and VOTE! We can see daily our rights corroded by these Leftist zealots, with their plans to degrade the Constitution, to eliminate the aspects of the Second Amendment that allow citizens to own firearms. Every day, I see and hear what the Democrats have in store for us,… Read more »

    2brknot2bfree
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    2brknot2bfree

    Law was changed in CA. Dems followed the new law, and won many seats. Republicans did not go around gathering voters signatures on ballots to present at the election offices. Dems did, and they won handily. If you are willing to work for it, you can achieve it, but Republicans are too lax, and most see their representatives as tokens, or RINO’s, unworthy of their offices.

    Steve Miller
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    Steve Miller

    Go back and read the congressional testimony of then NRA president Karl T. Frederick during the hearings for the abominable affront to God and country known as the 1934 NFA. Frederick didn’t want us leaving our houses with a handgun, without being licensed i.e. a government permission slip. The NRA: the largest wealthiest most powerful gun control organization in world history. As others have noted, for the current POTUS he has kept us from another Clinton presidency for at most, another two years. That sums it up perfectly methinks.

    2brknot2bfree
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    2brknot2bfree

    NRA is still all for licensing. I know, because I personally presented Wayne LaPierre with court precedents to overturn permit systems. He said that the courts had not decided if 2A was an individual right. In 2008, with NRA kicking & screaming that Dick Heller not present his case to the SCOTUS (he did anyway), NRA decided to join with him. 2A was then determined an individual right, but anyone who wishes may hear the proceedings in which Justice RBG queried Heller about a permit system, and would he be OK with that. When he said he would, the nail… Read more »

    Charlie Foxtrot
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    Charlie Foxtrot

    The current anti-Second Amendment President still has two more years to go, if he can’t help himself exiting the stage earlier. He may even have four more years after that. What’s our plan for that? In fact, what was our plan for the last two years? Relying on “gun-control Donald” and the NRA has clearly not worked out.

    Green Mtn. Boy
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    Green Mtn. Boy

    I’m more concerned about the current president that has regulation rewritten into law,which only congress can do Constitutionally,issues a new edict ,also UnConstitutional.

    NRA Life Member
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    Your Spot On Green Mountain Boy. President Trump has proven himself to be a Liar he’s done way more damadge to the 2nd Amendment then President Obama did in 8 years in two!

    Clark Kent
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    Clark Kent

    Thanks for the best laugh I have had so far this month. How old are you, twelve?

    Wild Bill
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    @GMB, Mark time, brother. I think, but I do not know for a fact, that the current pres., at the urging of the NRA, pushed the issue over to the the BATFE, so that the BATFE would exceed their authority, and the fed court could declare that BATFE had exceeded their authority. There is no way out of that by the BATFE. The POTUS does not know enough about the situation to engineer that result, but the NRA does. The pres. looks, to the fence sitters, like he has done all that he can. NRA does what we hire them… Read more »

    Charlie Foxtrot
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    Charlie Foxtrot

    Wild Bill, you need to continue your thought and not just stop when it is at a convenient “win, win, win” moment. There is no guarantee that the current bump stock ban gets overturned by the judiciary. If, however, it comes to that, then the questions are on what basis it got overturned and what will be the next steps? A, now Democrat, House can easily pick up this issue and write an actual bump stock ban bill that will have the support of Republicans in Congress and the charlatan in the White House. The BATFE may also just rewrite… Read more »

    Green Mtn. Boy
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    @ Wild Bill I hope that to be the case however the NRA has over time shown it’s self untrustworthy,if it’s main goal is to represent/protect the second amendment as written and it’s members rights. I don’t think Mr.Trump has any working back round of the Constitution,Bill of Rights and most likely thinks the Federalist Papers to be a scandal sheet. I’ve read similar thoughts of Mr. Trump and the NRA postulated by Mr. John Boch,who was appointed to the presidents white house 2A counsel. Which has produced little to nothing in the way of second amendment restoration results from… Read more »

    Wild Bill
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    @GMB, I can not disagree with your observations. I wish that I had put more money in GOA, CCRKBA, JPFO, etc, and less in the NRA.

    Green Mtn. Boy
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    @ Wild Bill

    I have the same regret however that changed two years ago and as of late the NRA is at zero and the balance goes to the others named along with my two state organizations.

    Jameson Parker
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    I couldn’t agree more, but unfortunately, lighting a fire underneath gun owners is very difficult. Just on the face of it, there are approximately 100-million-plus gun owners in America, but only between five- and six-million NRA members. If you own a gun, you be an NRA member. I would also add that another line of defense are the organizations (like the NRA, and the Second Amendment Foundation, and Gun Owners of America) that pay for the lawyers to fight egregiously unconstitutional anti-gun laws at local, state, and federal levels. Without those organizations and their lawyers, we’d be in worse shape… Read more »

    NRA Life Member
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    I’m an NRA Life Member. Who is very disdpleased with the NRA present leadership of Wayne LaPierre and company. Recently Wayne LaPierre betrayed the 2nd Amendment and NRA again with his horrenous attack on so called “Bump Stocks”. In 1986 Wayne LaPierre betrayed the 2nd Amendment by supporting the Hughes Amendment which essentially Arbitarally banned new fully automatic firearms to vetted persons. Wayne LaPierre over the years has proven himself to play both sides of the coin! Pro and Anti 2nd Amendment. You herd Right, Wayne LaPierre is an anti gun traitor from within! Wayne LaPierre is said to have… Read more »

    2brknot2bfree
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    Stop voting for the LE, and former, on the board who are all in bed with these laws (after all, prosecuting laws is their bread & butter) being on the books. They like permit systems because it allows them to know who is, or may be, armed whenever they approach your vehicle. That gives them a tactical edge. We all like Ted Nugent, but his stance has always been one of pro-LE, and he was even involved with his sheriff when he lived in MI. I have heard him speak in regards drug use, and abuse, and tho’ I don’t… Read more »

    Charlie Foxtrot
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    Charlie Foxtrot

    You might want to look up what the balance is for these organizations between revenue, money spent on lobbying, and money spent on lawsuits. The NRA spends about 10% of its revenue on lobbying and about 1% of its revenue on lawsuits. That means 89% of your NRA donations go to something else, such as executive salaries and services provided by NRA cronies, like Ackerman McQueen.

    2brknot2bfree
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    Magazines distribution, lawyers (probably their largest cost), lobbyists (second largest cost), too. It’s not cheap fighting for your rights. ACLU isn’t going to do it. They don’t even have lawyers versed in 2A, let alone want to help 2A survive. Surely the SPLC won’t help out.

    Will Flatt
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    The NRA is clearly part of the problem, and people should NOT be encouraging others to join NRA. It was the NRA that introduced the bump stock ban to Trump, and many other gun control measures in the past. The NFA, GCA and FOPA were all done with the approval of the NRA. When the NRA isn’t stabbing gun owners in the back, they waste their members’ dues on executive salaries in the hundreds of thousands, even millions of dollars. Only 1% of NRA funds go toward defending gun rights in the courts! Gun owners are better served by joining… Read more »

    Bob999
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    The GOA would not survive a full onslaught of attacks from the left. The only reason the GOA and other organizations still exist is the NRA. I know your brothers in the DNC have convinced you that you need to attack the NRA because a few of their decisions were not what you wanted. You know, when in a war, convince the other team to turn on their allies…and guess what, in this case, it is working as you have so clearly pointed out. Listen, if you are attacking the NRA over some perceived opposition they had over a range… Read more »

    JC
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    Amen…brother!

    JayS
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    What to do about the next antigun regime?? Same as the last 2. Not give an inch, not obey any unjust laws. Same as last time.

    Vanns40
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    Bob999: The fact that you make reference to a “toy” illustrates your abject ignorance on this topic. However, ignorance can be cured and I suggest you start by watching this short video on why it’s so important that we defeat this REGULATORY Act by ATF which was prompted by Trump and the NRA. Then come back and talk to us.

    https://youtu.be/ulHQPpOa_Vk

    2brknot2bfree
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    He’s not ignorant. He may not be a progressive, or a communist, or even a National Socialist. He may simply be an apologist, but the fact is, this is who we in the pro-2A community must fight against. They cannot be taught. They cannot be reasoned with. They can only be defeated, or killed. Short of that happening, because too many pro-2A warriors are unwilling to even vote, let alone do more. Too many think they can fight it out with those who will come to confiscate when they are so overwhelmed with manpower, and firepower. I know this for… Read more »

    Roy D.
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    I don’t know about you, Bob999, but I have been “holding my nose” off and on for 50 years now. I am tired of holding my nose. I expect people to act with honesty and integrity. The people running the NRA have not done so when they should have. Have there been periods where things were done correctly; yes there have been. But, as the old saying goes, it only takes one “awe shit” to make up for a bunch of “atta boys.” And they refuse to clean their own house. I have nothing for them at the present time.

    Charlie Foxtrot
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    Nobody prevents you from continuing to be a useful idiot and dumping your money into the bottomless pit, called the NRA, for nothing in return. The fantastic duo, Wayne and Chris, will thank you for that and will correspondingly increase their salaries again. I rather would like to have some accountability within the NRA. The bump stock ban is not about a range toy, but about the ATF rewriting the law, with the approval of President Trump and the NRA. This rewriting of the law can be used to ban all kinds of firearm features, accessories, parts and types. The… Read more »

    Jack
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    So you sit back in your chair with your snark but can’t disprove a thing he says “The NRA is clearly part of the problem, and people should NOT be encouraging others to join NRA. It was the NRA that introduced the bump stock ban to Trump, and many other gun control measures in the past. The NFA, GCA and FOPA were all done with the approval of the NRA.” I dumped my Lifetime Membership yrs ago when they supported Hillebrand from NY, After a half dozen email exchanges with NRA. Told them never contact me again. And they haven’t… Read more »

    grifhunter
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    Double Amen!!

    Dave Ortgiesen
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    I will not argue that the NRA has promoted policies that all true Second Amendment advocates find deplorable but the fact is that the NRA is the most powerful and influential pro-Second Amendment lobbying organization on Capitol Hill. You don’t hear politicians and pundits condemning the GOA, SAF, FPC, NAGR 2AF or any of the other fine organizations which support our right to keep and bear arms. It is always the NRA that makes the headlines (and anti-2A billboards). It is the NRA that pro-control extremists are trying to destroy. It is the NRA they most fear. Does that mean… Read more »

    Tionico
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    You said: “but the fact is that the NRA is the most powerful and influential pro-Second Amendment lobbying organization on Capitol Hill”” no real argument there.. but MY question is WHAT defines “powerful” and “influential”? If they really were what you say, WHY do we have the NFS, a weak and near useless FOPA, no reciprocity for our Mother May I Cards, which cards NRA happily brought us (WHY???), cannot purchase handguns interstate, Universal Backgournd Checks in several states and growing. banning and/or registering of “black andugly” rifles, bans/registrations/confiscation of “high capacity” magazines, and now no bump stocks? WHERE were… Read more »