Trouble in Tacoma, Council Adopts Gun Tax Despite Massive Opposition

The Tacoma, WA city council adopted a gun and ammunition Tax despite overwhelming opposition at a public meeting. (Dave Workman image)

U.S.A.-(Ammoland.com)- Frustration and fury are evident in Pierce County, Washington following a vote by the Tacoma City Council to adopt a gun and ammunition tax despite overwhelming opposition from gun-owning citizens who have now started more than a half-dozen discussions on social media.

The Tacoma News Tribune is reporting that the tax—adding $25 to the purchase of every firearm, five cents per round of centerfire ammunition and two cents per round of rimfire ammunition—is “expected to raise $300,000 annually.” It will take effect in July 2020, but is that pie-in-the-sky?

Tacoma’s gun and ammo tax is patterned after a nearly identical tax imposed in Seattle, 30 miles to the north, beginning in 2016. That tax was supposed to raise between $300,000 and $500,000 annually, but actual revenue has never come close. It took a Public Records Act lawsuit by the senior editor of TheGunMag.com, supported by the Second Amendment Foundation, to reveal the truth.

In the first year, the tax brought in $103,766.22. The following year, 2017, the tax revenue plummeted more than $10,000 to $93,220.74 and last year Seattle collected a comparatively paltry $77,518.

According to KCPQ, the local Fox affiliate, the council vote was unanimous. It came after a standing-room-only overflow crowd heard testimony for about three hours, during which speakers were limited to 90 seconds at the microphone due to the number of citizens asking to testify.

KING, the local NBC affiliate, quoted Bruce Smith manager at Surplus Ammo & Arms, explaining that the tax will add $50 to the price of a 1,000-round bulk carton of 9mm ammunition. That cost, say critics of the tax, will drive gun shops out of the city. That’s what happened in Seattle more than three years ago.

Faced with the tax, Seattle’s Precise Shooter closed its doors and moved to a new location in Lynnwood, in a different county, taking its Seattle customers along. That amounted to thousands of dollars of lost revenue to the city in the form of B&O taxes and sales taxes.

Mary Davies, owner of Mary’s Pistols, one of Tacoma’s most popular gun shops, reportedly told KING she is certain to close her doors.

“It's the principle that people will have to pay for what they think is their right,” she stated. “You would not pay a tax to vote, pay a tax for free speech.”

That sentiment can be found on social media in the wake of the council meeting.

The News Tribune quoted two council members with ominous observations:

Councilwoman Catherine Ushka reported said passing the tax was about playing “the long game” to address so-called “gun violence.”

“It gives a signal to other municipalities that it’s something that they can do,” Ushka reportedly stated.

And Councilman Ryan Mello, who sponsored the tax proposal, reportedly observed, “It is not the end of the road — it is one step we can do at the local level to sustained funding.”

But can that funding be sustained, or will it gradually dry up as is happening in Seattle?

And the greater question, which is being discussed on several Facebook threads, is whether the council adopted this tax in an effort to chase gun stores out of the city, or just out of business.

Tacoma is the third jurisdiction to adopt such a tax, the first being Cook County, Ill., which is also under Democrat control, though in Tacoma and Seattle, council positions are “non-partisan.”

Mello was quoted by KCPQ stating the tax revenue will “go toward educating kids about gun violence through different organizations in the city.”

But is there any plan to provide firearm safety education, taught by certified instructors, to Tacoma youth? According to published reports, city officials will “continue to look at the tax and work with community groups over the next several months to see what, if anything, should be changed before it's implemented.” But those groups appear to be limited to gun control proponents including “victims of gun violence.”

Council members and Tacoma Mayor Victoria Woodards may be in for some headaches. By Wednesday morning, their telephone numbers had been posted on Facebook.

RELATED:

Tacoma, Washington Gun Tax Based on False Premises


About Dave Workman

Dave Workman

Dave Workman is a senior editor at TheGunMag.com and Liberty Park Press, author of multiple books on the Right to Keep & Bear Arms and formerly an NRA-certified firearms instructor.

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Get Out
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Get Out

Gun shops should move just outside of the city limits to sell guns and ammo. Then the gun shop owners attend the council meeting every quarter and report the $$$$ the city has lost and will continue to lose because they were forced to move. The last statement of their report is to demand the council members removal from office and rescind the illegal tax within city limits.

ExGob
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ExGob

Obviously this new tax imposition has nothing to do with any attempt to curb gun crimes, it is simply another committee sanctioned ripoff to generate revenue.

Will
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Will

@ExGob,you’re right, it’s a money maker for the scumbags. But more important,it infringes on the law-abiding citizens ability to exercise their 2A civil rights and freedoms.

Finnky
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Finnky

@ExGob – I suspect that they see it as a two-for-one deal. They collect money AND get to virtue-signal that they are “doing something about violence” – while knowing and understanding that they are harming upstanding community members rather than reducing violence.

BILLY
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BILLY

Why don’t the citizens of Tacoma recall all of their City Council members and the Mayor? Get some petitions going and boot their butts out! They are there to serve the people’s wishes, not their own agenda.

Oldvet
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Oldvet

@Billy…Remember it’s who counts the votes that determines who is elected .

Will
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Will

@Oldvet,…or who is “selected”!

Hankus
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Hankus

We need to start pushing for another protection like the 24th Amendment. Poll taxes were outlawed in 1964, and IMHO this issue exactly mirrors that which the 24th remedied.

And every one of those Tacoma city council members needs to be targeted for replacement. That’s swimming upstream in western WA, I know. It’s Libtard Central.

Style
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Style

I live here in Tacoma! When I first heard about his proposal, emailed Council Member Ryan Mello (and the entire City Council, including the Mayor) I told him that them tat their actions were Treasonous! Because: A. “Laws and Taxes” only work on “Law Biding, Tax Paying” citizens! B. Because this guise of “Educating”, OUR children, on “gun SAFETY”,…in a classroom with NO Guns in it (for them to practice handling SAFELY), Would actually be used to brainwash OUR children to hate and fear guns,…so they’ll be more likely to, and more amenable to, vote against their own 2nd Amendment!… Read more »

CaptainKerosene
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CaptainKerosene

Create the conditions tyranny must have. Support gun control and eliminate by pricing out of the average citizens pocketbook. It isn’t about saving lives. IF saving lives was the goal all teachers who wanted to be armed would be authorized with a weekend of training on Use of Force and how to defend the classroom and students. Instead when teachers are allowed to be armed they have to take and pass a SWAT curriculum that includes building clearing, traffic laws, and a bunch of “crap” that isn’t needed. Teachers should be able to carry THEIR choice of handgun and be… Read more »

james
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james

The goal is not the tax revenue but to force the legitimate guns stores out of business.

Bowserb46
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Bowserb46

Of course, I don’t know the Seattle and Tacoma areas. Here in greater Houston, there are many cities, even cities inside Houston. Many incorporated towns around Houston, too. I live in one. If Houston pulled something like that, I’ll bet there is half a million square feet of retail space available in cities who would appreciate the sales tax revenue plus bringing people with money to spend into the area where there are other retail businesses. I don’t know how much Houston makes off of gun sales or the gun shows that are here ever few months, but tax them… Read more »

BILLY
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BILLY

Well said Bowserb46! Same thing would happen here in Oklahoma, unless we ran them all out of town on a rail!

Oldvet
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Oldvet

I made the suggestion a week or so ago of the gun stores moving, Don’t remember who replied , but they said that retail space outside of town was scarce . I’am paraphrasing .

james
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james

Clear this is an unlawful tax to exercise our RTKBA, these items are already excise taxed and sales taxed. How about a CRIMINAL TAX and a PERMIT TO COMMIT CRIME?

ShooterOne
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ShooterOne

I think it is about time all pro-gun people, organizations, businesses remind them of who they work for. Also remind all businesses that the same illegal taxes may be imposed upon their products.

Phil in TX
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Phil in TX

If the recall option is available to Tacoma citizens, it’s time to start printing the petitions! Phil in TX

StWayne
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StWayne

It’s a crime for any state to “adopt” laws that are anti-Constitutional. They only get away with it because the people drop their heads and accept it as inevitable, when it’s not. Get active. Form up a group, hire a Constitutional lawyer who wants to be in it for the cause, and bring justice down around their heads by having them removed from office as anti-American, and then re-establish the law of the land. It won’t be easy, and it won’t be cheap, so spread the costs around until a 503c GoFundMe page kicks in, where like-minded people will support… Read more »

tetejaun
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tetejaun

The “shame” is that Americans are such COWARDS that they refuse to do their Constitutional Duty.
Americans will sit, quietly, as their money and Rights are taken from them.
If just ONE city would clean out the corrupt, anti-American politicians, it would start an avalanche.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Wayne, I’d like to read the statute that makes it “…a crime for any state to “adopt” laws that are anti-Constitutional.” What is the citation?

Greg K
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Greg K
Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

I want to know what Wayne had in mind. I am not interested in which charge you think applies.

Greg K
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Greg K

Just trying to help you fill your empty tool box

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

You do not know nearly as much as you think that you do.

Jim
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Jim

WHAT’S NEW? Some 20 years ago the residents of Washington state were getting pissed about the Californians moving up in such volume. It has continued. Now the totally corrupt and very dangerous left wing Democrats control that state like California. The left wing/socialist and communist Democrat Party leadership now has full control–much more to come as this nasty Anti-American viral infection spreads to other states–get ready Texas, Arizona, Montana, Wyoming, Utah; Colorado is the most recent victim.

Oldvet
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Oldvet

Been thinking , wonder if some big money isn’t recruiting shills to move into these cities and run for office ? You read where people say they can’t afford to move out of places like commiefornia , how is so many communist /democrats can do it ?

Get Out
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Get Out

Simple solution is to buy guns and ammo up till the BS tax takes effect in July 2020, then the gun store owners close down gun and ammo sales within the city limits to deny the city of revenue or just move out now and achieve the same results. The gun store owners could make arrangements with other gun store owners outside of city limits to sell their guns and ammo. When these anti-gun buffoons are denied the 300K to 500K in their projected tax revenue they should take the loss from the council members paychecks. Plus the city will… Read more »

Oldvet
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Oldvet

Why would’t the gun shop owners want to set up in rural locations anyway , removing the city layer of government .

Tionico
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Tionico

Outside of Tacoma proper land suitable for a retail establishment is tough to come by. There are a number of smaller incorporated towns/cities, but retail space in them is mostly either non-existant, very “chick” and modern,and thus dear.. Surplus Ammo and Arms outgrew their tiny location in Lakewood, not sure where they moved to but its obviously inside Tacoma. What needs to happen is for all the affected retailers to gather together and launch a huge Second Ammendment/State Preemption law fight. HOW can it be constitutionsl for me to walk into Surplus Ammo and Arms, buy a canteen, rifle scope,… Read more »

jack mac
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jack mac

Moving firearm dealers out is the intent of the local government leaders. This would make it more difficult to buy arms by their subjects, umps, ought to say residents, I guess.

Oldvet
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Oldvet

Oop’s found it .

jack mac
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jack mac

The power to tax is the power to destroy; that is what is being done here. The anti-American city “leaders” will recover any potential tax loss by simply increasing the tax of residents.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

Where does a city council get the notion that they can diminish civil Rights recognized by federal and state government?

Whatzit
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Whatzit

Same reason a bully can beat up kids and steal their lunch money. Because they can. Who’s stopping them?

Hawkeyeted
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Hawkeyeted

Glad to see Tacoma is being transparent and illustrating to us all that it’s about the money and not safety, as was the impetus for passing the tax in the first place.

Dry the funds up. Buy your ammo elsewhere.

Boomer
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Boomer

Hopefully the peasants in this town will rise up to vote those idiots out of office. If they are going to play this “long game” then we have to also. If and when some of them are voted out, it will send a message to others that might try the same thing.

willheavy
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willheavy

I’m very much surprised that no one during their 90-seconds statements made mention of the guarantee of 100’s of internet savvy people looking into every business and political dealing of each and every one of the council members who voted for the measure.

Very, very surprised…

Finnky
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Finnky

@willheavy – Are you suggesting criminal charges totally unrelated to the ammo tax. Quite democratic of you… but a good idea nonetheless. Whether one approves of one’s opposition or not, it is a good idea to study their methods in order to better counter, and to adopt when appropriate. Be careful thou as your proposal smacks a bit of “doxing” – and we need to retain moral high ground in all matters. Don’t publish any private info, but do expose any shady or criminal activities by any or all of them. Residents might not vote them out for being “anti-gun”,… Read more »

CourageousLion
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CourageousLion

I think I’d start buying stock in tar and get me some feathers from the local poultry processor…Oh and some poles from Home Depot.

Get Out
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Get Out

Naw, it’d be a waste of good tar and feathers. Deny these buffoons sales tax and property tax revenue for years to come will hurt them a lot worse. It might even wake a few people up come election time and get these clowns the boot too.

Oldvet
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Oldvet

I still like the wood chipper idea !

Doszap
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Doszap

NONE of these people are going to get it,the citizens should et a petition to RECALL ALL the council members and relieve the of their duties.This is a City Council,voted in by the cities taxpayers.Got them in, REMOVE THEM.
Or all of the citizens go to the next meeting armed, and MAKE a point.
I fear we are going to have to do the same thing with higher ups.
WE WILL NOT COMPLY ,and you have NO RIGHTS to INFRINGE on that Const RIGHT.

Morrigan
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Morrigan

“See what, if anything, should be changed”? I would suggest changing the mayor and the city council.

JPM
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JPM

Nitwits. All the residents have to do is drive a little across the county line to buy their guns and ammo.

Doszap
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Doszap

That is defeatist, (it works), but REMOVE them from OFFICE, and DO NOT elect anyone to the City Council unless they take the Oath to the CONST and BOR’s.
Anyone think for a second this would PASS if it was the 1st Amendment?,guess what a majority of college students are calling for that NOW!.
LIMITING FREE SPEECH.
Sadly we may be headed for the Bullet box, the ballot box doesn’t work anymore.
Personally I have had a gut full of it.

CourageousLion
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CourageousLion

And the PC police are putting all of us on lists. Oh well…bullet box it will be.

tetejaun
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tetejaun

I see you got a down vote by the screaming yellow cowards that infest this board.

Whatzit
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Whatzit

On a practical level, yes. But what about the principle of the thing? Why should anyone have to do that? These people will continue to encroach upon our rights until they are literally forced to stop. What they are doing is illegal, however, that will not stop them. Sure, I can run 40 miles to get ammo, but the point is – I shouldn’t have to.

Tionico
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Tionico

that is precisely the goal of this stupid tax. Hit the businesses that sell the “nasty” things we call guns, and the fodder to feed them. After all, if they did not SELL those abominations, no one would have them. right? But this tax will hurt the businesses located inside Tacoma.. every pawnshop, gu store, outdoor store….. many of them are already reeling from the new state law “passed” by the lied-to lazy voters a year ago, closing down their gun counters, wholesaling off all the semi-automatic “assault weapons” (whichi now include the Ruger 10/.22, believe it or not, to… Read more »

jack mac
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jack mac

These “nitwits” believe themselves leaders who are making it more difficult and expensive for their subjects to acquire arms. Tacoma is a large city where many of its residents do not have the resources to drive anything anywhere.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@jm, Yeah, only a nitwit with egomaniacal tendencies would think that it is within their city council authority to abridge other people’s constitutional rights.

MICHAEL J
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MICHAEL J

This is a clear example of self-serving liberal leftests abusing their power by infringing on a once free society. Imposing their will rather than those of their constituents is clearly out of the democrat’s playbook. How these communist vipers can take hold of government positions is a masterpiece of deception and once entrenched are free to do just about anything as seen here. This story is all too familiar and in reality, it’s never been about generating revenue. It’s about the wilful and blatant smearing of their unconstitutional tyranny in the faces of patriots. These kinds of politicians can only… Read more »

CourageousLion
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CourageousLion

These kinds of politicians can only be eradicated at the ballot box” LOL! I think the Founding Fathers found that they could be eliminated by lead poisoning too. Which just may have been the reason they stuck that pesky 2nd amendment in the BOR.

tetejaun
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tetejaun

How did he die?
Lead poisoning.
How did it happen?
Suddenly.

Doszap
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Doszap

We are past the Ballot Box brother.
For instance, Trump is up for impeachment, Lindsey Grahmn won’t even pay attention to the meetings.WHY?, Because he says it VIOLATES the Const and DUE PROCESS.(WOW!!!!!!!), no kidding?.
NOW how about the Red Flag laws You’re ALL FOR THAT, but what does IT DO?.
VIOLATES DUE PROCESS,and the 4th/6th Amendments all at once.
The Feds are thinking of passing this NATIONWIDE, 14 STATES ALREADY HAVE, ONE AMERICAN HAS BEEN MURDERED FOR REFUSAL @5:30 A.M. BY a SWAT team because he refused.

Oldvet
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Oldvet

Add another because of a false swat call , ( witch the family is suing the city for $25 mil ) and two more plus their dog in Huston at a wrong address !

Finnky
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Finnky

@OV – Houston was not a mistaken address issue. Drug interdiction team invaded the home based on a warrant filed under false pretenses. Intent was to arrest and plant evidence, an activity these same people apparently engaged in as a matter of routine. Had homeowners not fought back, they would probably be rotting in jail awaiting conviction and an extended prison stay. It is a shame is that they only succeeded in preventing the evidence plant – so that actual evidence was left behind for Texas Rangers and family hired investigators to find. HPD union spokesman’s speech immediately after the… Read more »

Tionico
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Tionico

that’s the narrative the dirty coppers floated. From what I’ve read it seems more like he was blasted out of the sack at oh dark hundred by unkown parties after some unknown purpose, and was seen with the logical tool one would have in hand when one’s castle is breached and invaded. Instead of going all Rambo, who didn’t the coppers wait till he was awake, breakfasted, calmly knock up his door and introduce themselves, all proper and polilte like. Once having established a calm encounter, then breach the subject matter at hand. Nope, the “HEEEROWS gotta play tough guys,… Read more »

Oldvet
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Oldvet

@T…Yes , this from a nephew on the swat team…There was a wanted man holed up on second floor of an apartment building . They finally “got ” him by breaching the wall of the brick building with one of their armored military vehicles under a bathroom he kept returning to . They “blew” the floor out . Made the building uninhabitable for all the residents of the building , but they got their man! Seems when they get these military toys they just have to play with them.

Bowserb46
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Bowserb46

Bingo, Oldvet. The military industrial complex that Eisenhower warned about is no longer just at the national level. States, Counties, Cities and even a few school districts are gearing up.

Bowserb46
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Bowserb46

Michael, you are exactly right. There are enough gun owners in the country to win any election. Only things stopping is they haven’t been voting, or they are in families that “always vote Democrat” (but they don’t realize that today’s Democrats are really the socialists and communists of the 1950’s. My friends, if you didn’t vote in whatever election was in your area last week, then YOU are part of the problem. There were no offices being elected here last week, but there were ten propositions, half of which were little more than disguised money transfers from working taxpayers to… Read more »

joefoam
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joefoam

As I predicted the council passed the law despite the wishes of the citizens they are supposed to represent. Even with the facts regarding the revenue being borne out in Seattle it was passed. Gun buyers will simply go to neighboring communities to make their purchases, cutting the advertised revenue and depriving the city of Tacoma the sales tax revenue. It’s all about running gun stores and gun owners out of town, nothing else. WA voters had better wise up and get to the polls and get the tyrants out of office before even more onerous laws are passed. With… Read more »

CourageousLion
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CourageousLion

Voted out or beat out with a 2×4.

tetejaun
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tetejaun

You can see how the cowards voted your comment down. Any talk of violence against tyrant gets the down vote and usually comments.
Cowardice has a TIGHT grip on the self-absorbed American people.

Bowserb46
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Bowserb46

If safety were really the concern, the city councils would realize that driving the gun stores out only costs them sales tax revenue. There are just as many guns brought into the city, but some other municipality got the sales tax revenue. Tacoma gets the risk without the reward. Brilliant.

John
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John

Since the dems love impeachment these days, equal time, impeach the entire council, and any replacement must pledge to repeal such violence upon Rights.

“Socialist Democrat Violence” upon Constitutional Rights is the most threatening vehicle to Our Republic!

Vince
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Vince

These are someone else words, but they seem to apply. Those old white guys in powdered wigs were pretty sharp. They anticipated your taproom lawyer argument and wrote the often overlooked 9th Amendment. It is the constitutional equivalent of the “You can’t wish for more wishes” The 9th very simply says: “The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.” So the government cannot ban say, paper and ink to abridge the 1st Amendment. Or ban Sports Arenas and Sports bars to prevent the right of Association. If… Read more »

CourageousLion
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CourageousLion

Or ban the Militias of the several states…BUT THEY DID!

Doszap
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Doszap

Not to mention the 4th and 6th,and 2nd.

tetejaun
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tetejaun

When the Bill of Rights was being considered, it was a difficult task because the American People have infinite RIGHTS. But, they listed some they felt most important. ONLY the Second Amendment uses the command “..shall not be infringed”.

Americans complain yet REFUSE to do their Constitutional Duty.

Eighty
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Eighty

Mello was quoted by KCPQ stating the tax revenue will “go toward educating kids about gun violence through different organizations in the city.”

Let’s create an organization called Young Gun Indoctrination; discuss gun violence with kids, then take them out to the range to teach them gun safety (but show them how evil they are). We could compare guns to that self-centric snowfall that causes hundreds of car crashes every year. Or the horrible way that water causes rust. Think of how many ants have been crushed by misguided footsteps! (those evil, evil shoes).

CourageousLion
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CourageousLion

I keep reading about “gun” violence. So apparently these morons aren’t against VIOLENCE, just violence committed by someone who decided to use a firearm. FBI statistics show that more people are killed by other forms of VIOLENCE then with guns. They are IDIOT psychopaths.

tetejaun
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tetejaun

Slips, trips, falls #1 cause of accidental deaths.
Guns are around 22 or 23 on the FBI list, last I looked.

Whatzit
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Whatzit

None of this has anything at all to do with kids, violence, saving lives, safety or love. Their ONLY objective is to advance the citizen-disarmament football by any means. Using kids, pictures of dead bodies, etc. only helps with the task of moving the football.

Mac
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Mac

Take them out at the voting box or a recall!

chiefton
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chiefton

Do they tax you to vote? How about tax people who go to church? Totally unconstitutional and they should e forced to not only pay damages in a lawsuit but be required to return all those special taxes with interest.

Whatzit
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Whatzit

But they’ll keep doing it until we force them to stop.

Paul71
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Paul71

These democrats are fully aware that gun taxes and gun laws will have no effect whatsoever. In plain English it is just a way for feminists and pussy ass male politicians to bully people around. The reason simply being that than they are able to do so. I might add that Tacoma was a draft dodgers sanctuary city during the Vietnam war. We arrived at the airport there after our tour to be bussed to Ft. Lewis. I was in a lucky group that arrived at night because we were told the war protesters would throw bags of feces at… Read more »

JDC
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JDC

@Paul71 Thank you for serving and doing the hard job in Vietnam. What those of us who are of that age didn’t understand was the rot that was already at work. The WWII generation was held in check by the constant bombardment of the press, and most of America didn’t realize that Academia was being totally taken over by leftists. We have now seen that Socialism and Communism were already undermining us at that point. Those who threw bags of feces and spit on returning troops took advantage of student deferments and many are now college leaders or full professors.… Read more »

Doszap
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Doszap

This was the case of the Soldiers following orders for a government that had them going to a war to die and lose limbs,that they then WOULD not let YOU guys win it. My kids are too old to be called up now,had they been called NOW,if we had a draft, I WOULD NOT LET THEM go(if you send Americans to war,DO not do it at all unless you intend to WIN at al costs),basically the Vietnamese were fighting a Civil War.Why WE were in it was foolish, over a 110,000 dead NOW,suicide/Chemicals/and 55k plus dead on the battlefields. What… Read more »

Knute
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Knute

QUOTING: “It is indispensable for our purpose that wars, so far as possible, should not result in territorial gains: war will thus be brought on to the economic ground…” End quoting, Protocol 2, paragraph 1 By “economic ground” of course, the meaning is “for profit”. What do the elite rulers care about a few (or a few hundred thousand) lives when their private jets are dependent upon those deaths? Its all there, in their own words. The only thing left is for us to learn it. “Therefore we must not stop at bribery, deceit and treachery when they should serve… Read more »

jack mac
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jack mac

Re: JDC. Most Americans don’t understand that 99% of the press and education system are leftist.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@jm, I don’t know how those Americans could miss it.

jack mac
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jack mac

@wb, nobody is being missed. Just that too many American do not understand the kind of crap they are being hit with. Many like this crap. We, who do not like this crap will not able to live with those who do much longer.

StreetSweeper
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StreetSweeper

How is this different than a poll tax to pay for “voter education”? It isn’t; clearly unconstitutional.

tetejaun
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tetejaun

The American People have bowed to government for over 100 years. YOU let them implement unconstitutional gun control ‘laws’. YOU let them create an unconstitutional federal income tax. YOU let them flood America with a new army, the illegal aliens. You let them act as tyrants as you kneel and obey. The governments ALL believe that they are the masters, even though our Constitution states otherwise. YOU mean less than nothing to the democrat’s communist world government plan. Had ANY of you watched the 2016 DNC Convention you would have seen NO American flags on stage (but, there was a… Read more »

CourageousLion
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CourageousLion

Have any of YOU refused to obey unconstitutional ‘gun control laws’? Yes, I do and have for most of my adult life. Have any of YOU placed pistol grips, magazine releases and 30 round magazines on your AR15 in California and other cities and states where they are ‘banned’? I did when I lived in one and will continue to do so wherever I live no matter what “they” say. Have any of YOU gone to city council meetings and express your intent to not comply? OH YES!!! I remember going to one in Broward County Florida where I got… Read more »

tetejaun
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tetejaun

Because it takes EFFORT to regain our control of our Republic.
Americans are lazy cowards and just too busy getting a dopamine hit from their phone to worry about Freedom.
I am very pleased you are aware. Rare these days.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@CL, Anyone can say that they refuse to obey unconstitutional statutes. The only proof of it is a record of conviction.

Doszap
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Doszap

Well when people are starving and cannot get work, govt has a way of getting this crap past you.(soon to be happening again)
But I foresee a civil war first. They are dead set on taking all weapons from us,this will not happen without a major war.
AGAIN.

Knute
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Knute

I think you mean that “YOU… let the evil in to rule in the US…. in 1913”!!
There, fixed it for ya. Sorry, there is no way in hell that I’m going to believe that you were born prior to 1913! No matter how much you swear and hurl insults at everything within reach.

tetejaun
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tetejaun

Are you sure you actually READ the piece? “you swear and hurl insults”???
I have SAID that before; Americans SAT QUIETLY as the federal government, under anti-American democrats, took Freedom and Liberty FROM the American People.

Will
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Will

First,there’s no such thing as “gun violence”,it doesn’t exist ! Inanimate objects can’t commit violence. Second,learn to reload your ammunition.

Terry
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Terry

Will;
Of course there is a thing called “gun violence”. I once closed the bolt on my M1 garrand without moving my thumb fast enough. Now THATS gun violence!

John
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John

Only those who experienced such can appreciate the concept M1 thump.

Baldwin
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Baldwin

Anyone leaving their thumb in the path of a spring loaded chunk of steel deserves the pain.

Terry
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Terry

Pain is the greatest teacher ever invented. I did that at Fort Polk Louisiana 50 years ago and although I own and frequently shoot an M1 I have never repeated the experience. And yes, my Drill Sergeant warned us about “M1 thumb”.

CourageousLion
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CourageousLion

LOL! Proving you shouldn’t be around a M1 Garrand.

Doszap
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Doszap

If you haven’t felt it, you ain’t lived!. LOL, LOL