Secure the Schools, Save the Second Amendment

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United States – -(AmmoLand.com)- When discussing how mass shootings are a major vulnerability for our Second Amendment rights, there is one place in particular that Second Amendment supporters should be paying attention to: Schools. These are the worst types of mass shootings for obvious reasons. Not only is there a horrific tragedy, but all too often, the victims are children with a whole life ahead of them.

The mass shooting at Columbine prompted a new push for semi-auto bans. That was bad enough for Second Amendment supporters, but the Sandy Hook mass shooting was, in some ways, a game-changer. Why? In addition to a half-dozen teachers, 20 six-year-old children were killed. This was easily the most horrific event you could imagine outside a major terrorist attack. We will never know whether that horrific act was a crime or act of madness, due to the shooter committing suicide, but that doesn’t negate the horror nor the damage done to our rights.

Let’s face it, even though Second Amendment supporters beat back efforts to reinstate a federal semi-auto ban, in some ways, the cause of freedom still lost. It wasn’t just seeing new semi-auto bans pass in several states, it also came in the form of anti-Second Amendment extremists upping their attacks.

Things went even further after Parkland. Now, any Second Amendment supporter knows how the bumbling cowards of Broward County failed to stop the shooter long before that tragic and horrific mass shooting. Those failures, though, are what Second Amendment supporters must address.

Again, it should be common sense for Second Amendment supporters to work to address school shootings. Again, if we don’t have Second Amendment-compliant solutions, then Bloomberg’s bought-and-paid-for politicians and stooges will propose their extreme anti-Second Amendment agenda – and a bunch of freaked-out soccer moms will back that agenda in order to protect their kids.

What sort of Second Amendment-complaint solutions should be considered? Making the schools harder targets is one of them. Passive security measures, like metal detectors and surveillance cameras, are one option. Another, of course, is better active security – armed security presence, including, but not limited to, willing school personnel.

This generates controversy but shouldn’t. Second Amendment supporters are all too familiar with the harsh reality that when seconds count, the police are only minutes away. Thankfully, the NRA School Shield program is being offered. This program is something Second Amendment supporters should be promoting at their local school boards – if for no other reason than to get the refusal to consider the program on the record.

But that is only part of the solution. The fact is, as was shown with Parkland, the potential shooter gave off a lot of warning signs. Some existing laws could have addressed the situation: Second Amendment supporters may not like the Gun-Free School Zones Act, but it could be a tool to at least address some potentially dangerous students (keep in mind, the Parkland shooter was caught with ammunition and knives on school grounds) – and given the expansion of concealed carry, there is much less chance a law-abiding citizen exercising their Second Amendment rights will be caught up in it. As is the case with other mass shootings, the debate over ERPOs/”red flag” laws also enters into this, along with the use (or lack of use) of civil commitment laws. It’s not ideal, but we need to focus on what is achievable, and deal with the situation as it is, not how we wish it to be.

One voice Second Amendment supporters should back is that of Andrew Pollack. Since the death of his daughter in the Parkland shooting, Pollack has founded Americans for Children’s Lives and School Safety (CLASS). None of this group’s proposals attack our Second Amendment rights, which should allow Second Amendment supporters to back them in good conscience.

Finally, if you have kids in school, this is important: Talk to them. Encourage them to say something if they see something. Make sure they are prepared to defend the Second Amendment. Find out what is going on in their schools. If they have concerns, sound the alarm.

Mass shootings in schools give anti-Second Amendment extremists the chance to make major gains. The smart move is for Second Amendment supporters to work for preventing them with a Second Amendment-compliant agenda. This isn’t being a “Fudd,” an “appeaser,” or “capitulating” to those who oppose our freedoms, it is about heading off attacks on our rights before they happen.


Harold Hu, chison

About Harold Hutchison

Writer Harold Hutchison has more than a dozen years of experience covering military affairs, international events, U.S. politics and Second Amendment issues. Harold was consulting senior editor at Soldier of Fortune magazine and is the author of the novel Strike Group Reagan. He has also written for the Daily Caller, National Review, Patriot Post, Strategypage.com, and other national websites.

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TheRevelator
TheRevelator
7 months ago

Ladies and Gentlemen, As I write this the individual known as @loveaduck, who yesterday once again issued a challenge concerning a reply has once again turned tail and run after said response. Now, he has moved on once again, desperately trying to cheerlead for Harold Hutchison as of a little over 3 hours ago. You can see that here… https://www.ammoland.com/2020/01/new-york-governor-andrew-cuomo-exposed-by-new-evidence-in-nra-complaint/#comment-2800133 Isn’t it funny that as much as he has complained about what I have pointed out about him so far, when he isn’t going silent due to not being able to argue against what I have presented concerning his actions,… Read more »

loveaduck
loveaduck
7 months ago

What is it? (I’m not a Christian though I love His Holiness the Christ)

jfrich
jfrich
7 months ago

There should be NO Compromising on the 2nd Amendment, and it’s not about being a Gun-Nut or a Fudd. Look what Compromising has Already Cost Us, So No More of this BS Talk about Giving Them a Little Something to Appease the Anti-2nd Amendment Crowd. We all Know that They won’t Stop Until Only They have Guns, and We are Subjects! They Don’t Really Want to Save the Children, because the Body Count is the Only way They will Ever get what They Want! There is NOTHING that Will Stop a Determined Individual from Carrying Out a Mass Shooting, and… Read more »

TheRevelator
TheRevelator
7 months ago
Reply to  jfrich


Hence why Harold is a Fudd urging us to compromise the Second Amendment to appease those “Freaked out Soccer Moms”.

It’s good to see more and more people waking up to the fact that that is exactly what he is doing, despite his pathetic attempt to claim otherwise.

Vern
Vern
7 months ago

IF, the politicians who are so concerned about protecting criminals and gang members, would not be in such a tizzy to disarm law-abiding citizens, we wouldn’t have the problems these politicians are pushing to bring about their crime ridden agendas.

Finnky
Finnky
7 months ago

@Harold – How in the world does expanding concealed carry reduce risk of responsible adults getting accidentally caught up in school GFZ? Texas law provides reasonable protection as GFZ is just ‘premises’, interpreted as inside buildings or within sporting even venues. However it is my understanding that in much of the country one is committing a federal crime by coming within one thousand feet of school property while armed – even in a car and even if one is unaware that there is a school anywhere near. In many cities, it can be impossible to pass through without entering a… Read more »

TheRevelator
TheRevelator
7 months ago
Reply to  Finnky

In addition, if you compare Harolds call for “See something say something” to the proposed legislation on the link he cites, it calls for “Anonymous” reporting. Because we have never had school children ever target their peers anonymously as a way of seeking revenge or bullying others….(sarc.)

So another question would be, how does this help create intentional felonies that don’t get caught?

Tionico
Tionico
7 months ago
Reply to  Finnky

The Certified Defenseless Victim Zone laws do provide exemptions to those who are lawfully carrying their defensive weapons and just “happen” to be passing within a thousand feet of some school owned/controlled dirt. Where I live that would mean there is no route by which I can get from my house to downtown, or to the freeways.

OldJarhead03
OldJarhead03
7 months ago

As I recall, the school at Beslan was “secured” by by a couple of armed guards as well. Just as at the Pulse nightclub, they were the first to die. Open the schools to anyone with a carry permit, just as they do in Utah. It has worked there for about 15 years.

loveaduck
loveaduck
7 months ago

What part(s) of this post do you disagree with?

TheRevelator
TheRevelator
7 months ago
Reply to  loveaduck

@loveaduck Since you have a proverbial and prevalent, nay almost permanent case of sphincter vision…. I’m going to help you out. Harold, your man-crush whom you constantly seek to defend has given us another glorious comment defending and opining for infringements against the Second Amendment, and in spite of many of us pointing these out to you numerous times you still come back with “Durrrrr…. I don’t think him is…” In the hopes that you might tunnel your way out(Pun intended), Here is the main quote from his article which is the main point he is trying to sell. “Second… Read more »

loveaduck
loveaduck
7 months ago
Reply to  TheRevelator

I actually see your point but your personal insults help nothing and almost made me skip your reply. Here I am finally agreeing with you on something and wondering what reply I’ll get back.

TheRevelator
TheRevelator
7 months ago
Reply to  loveaduck

@loveaduck Here it is. Though you may tell me you didn’t see it at a later date….. First of all, I have two points on problems with your response, namely 1. You did not specify what you agreed with, so are you trying to remain ambiguous if only in an attempt to appear as a reasonable person in spite of your history here which has previously demonstrated otherwise? 2. I made an offer of citing direct quotes from you, which you avoided broaching in your response. Instead you chose to feign indignance on an excuse based on the presumption of… Read more »

TheRevelator
TheRevelator
7 months ago
Reply to  loveaduck


Sounds like it may have ended up being fairly vulgar then. Keep it fairly clean and you will have no problems.

loveaduck
loveaduck
7 months ago

Right on point.

TheRevelator
TheRevelator
7 months ago
Reply to  loveaduck

Off point as usual, defended by someone too blind to see, and in spite of the response to you comment challenging someone else, I have no doubt you will attempt to ignore or smear the evidence showing Harold is once again defending infringements of the Second Amendment. You’re 10-ply bud.

TheRevelator
TheRevelator
7 months ago
Reply to  TheRevelator

Well, looks like loveaduck didn’t have the balls to reply here, though he was kind enough to leave a vote. 🙂

loveaduck
loveaduck
7 months ago
Reply to  TheRevelator

I never get notices via email anymore that I needed to reply.
I guess you’re correct. No one can disagree with you……..at least without some nastiness thrown back.

TheRevelator
TheRevelator
7 months ago
Reply to  loveaduck

@loveaduck The problem isn’t disagreement. The problem is that you are trying to perpetuate a lie. Evidence(already presented to you multiple times in the past) shows Harold is as we continually point him out to be. Now that brings us to your actions. Initially, you received some gentle correction on what you said(with evidence). You refused to acknowledge said evidence from others and instead got nasty and attacking a few people here, including myself who you deliberately stated a LIE about what I said. After being called on it, you doubled down, puffed up your chest and said “Prove it”.… Read more »

Doszap
Doszap
7 months ago

Glad to see this here.(A major issue easily handled,and it’s stupid it’s not been DONE long ago.) If there is ONE subject that gets my TEXAN blood boiling in a red hot mode this IS it. Schools can be kept FREE from ALL SHOOTERS inside and out with TWO simple and inexpensive FIXES. ONE: METAL DETECTORS and armed Guards at each ONE. TWO: GUARDS armed with PISTOLS & at least ONE Semi Automatic Rifle at each entrance point. Exits LOCKED down all the time(Fire),opened automatically if alarm goes off. DONE. The Semi Auto is for threats Using long guns in… Read more »

Tionico
Tionico
7 months ago
Reply to  Doszap

how many thousands of schools are there across the nation? At probably around $35/hr for a trained, certified armed guard, times four, times that number of achools, that wou;d be a few billion over the next decade. There IS a simpler solution that costs taxpayers NOTHING, and WORKD. Go learn about Ohio’s FASTER Saves Lives programme.. operating now in some two thousand school districts across the country at NO COST to taxpayers, there has not been ONE “gun incident” in any of those districts after this programme was initiated in those districts. It put the responsibility AND the cure back… Read more »

jack mac
jack mac
7 months ago

Yes, Harold, the anti-gun types use the grave mounds of murdered children to stand on to delivery their rhetoric. They also look forward to more such platforms to made available. For this purpose,they will do nothing to interfere with murdering. The use of firearms in committing criminal acts is a primary pretense to oppress us, they will not give it up. There is an overwhelming number of people who control our schools who are anti-gun and those who possess arms. They call people resource officers instead of police or guards to show their detains of the armed. There are no… Read more »

MICHAEL J
MICHAEL J
7 months ago

In California, schools are always begging for money crying “it’s for the children”. In reality it’s for the salaries, stadiums and grief councilors. It is time to procecute those in charge who are responsible for making schools victim zones.

Joel F
Joel F
7 months ago

I walk past state and federal buildings nearly every day and see how much is done by those in government to protect themselves.

As I drive by nearly any school in my district, I think how “soft” a target it is because we refuse to spend the money to make them “hard targets”.

Colorado congressman passed a bill funding better school safety. I’m not sure what schools will do with that funding, however.

Jonesy
Jonesy
7 months ago
Reply to  Joel F

More rubbers ?

Finnky
Finnky
7 months ago
Reply to  Joel F

@JoelF – While I think implementing strong security for schools is important, I also think they should not look or feel like prisons. Some children are already stressed enough about totally unlikely events such as school shootings – there is no need to reinforce (or introduce) such fears by locking them up and/or surrounding them with frightened adults. Realize I come from a somewhat different background, as my public high school had rather open construction. Didn’t even realize I wasn’t supposed to leave school during the day until graduation, after having gone home for lunch and free periods almost every… Read more »

TheRevelator
TheRevelator
7 months ago
Reply to  Finnky

@Finnky Your background has nothing to do with it. The problem here is you are buying into the lie the left is selling and re-parroting their words, further spreading it. “While I think implementing strong security for schools is important, I also think they should not look or feel like prisons.” Ok, why Prisons? Why not Banks, National Museums, or Hospitals? The truth of the matter is that if you love something, you protect it and you don’t worry about how your protecting it looks based off other peoples’ opinions. The whole claim of “like Prisons” is a straw man… Read more »

RoyD
RoyD
7 months ago
Reply to  TheRevelator

This talk about security at banks reminds me of something that happened almost 44 years ago. I was 20 years old and new to OKC and happened to be downtown doing something that escapes me now. It was very hot, summer time, and I didn’t want to have to walk around this big building that seemed to take up an entire block. So I decided to just walk through it in the air conditioning to come out the other side where I needed to go. As I started to enter the building a rather muscular large man, who happened to… Read more »

TheRevelator
TheRevelator
7 months ago
Reply to  RoyD

Thanks for the anecdote.

Finnky
Finnky
7 months ago
Reply to  TheRevelator

@TR – Duh – no question there. In my opinion, one does not have to be an active threat to children – just a threat – to warrant application of deadly force. My point is that well done security does not have to be obtrusive. If you observe many tech campuses and often other buildings such as hotels, office buildings and such – there are subtle security measures often mistakenly taken as simple landscaping. For example nicely planted slopes to prevent vehicle crashing forced-entry and create distance for truck bombs and the like. I believe the term is “defense in… Read more »

TheRevelator
TheRevelator
7 months ago
Reply to  Finnky

@Finnky I not only went to a school that did not have air conditioning(built in 1914), I have worked in schools before when younger and understand issues with managing entry. Now you did try to dodge and redefine the question. It was not about deadly force, it was about school “Feel”. Your last paragraph however is a valid point. How much money do they want to “throw” at it. This is a problem compounded by the fact that our country is so in debt for covering unconstitutional entitlement programs, sometimes the only option is hardened schools that feel more closed… Read more »

UncleT
UncleT
7 months ago

Hmm, should we thank the government for “allowing us to defend our own lives” like the minister did last night too, That’s scary as hell he said that and shows what the American people think we get our rights from…MAN! Meaning they can be taken away. And they are! This is absurd, giving up our rights is not the answer to stop evil in any form. This is surrendering to tyranny and ignores the establishment of the Militia. We need to incorporate the ‪2A‬ Militia requirement which will eliminate gun control laws. Too many ‪2A‬ “advocates” are unaware of this… Read more »

Will Flatt
Will Flatt
7 months ago
Reply to  UncleT

That man’s comments are no doubt colored by the fact he has a LEO background and all LEO’s are heavily indoctrinated to believe that Rights come from government, not God.

Boz
Boz
7 months ago
Reply to  Will Flatt

Not this one!

Boz
Boz
7 months ago
Reply to  UncleT

That’s the first line that caught my eye when reading that article and I made a similar post to yours on it. My rights of self-preservation are God-given, not man-approved.

Will Flatt
Will Flatt
7 months ago
Reply to  Boz

Amen, bro!!

loveaduck
loveaduck
7 months ago
Reply to  Will Flatt

Great poster!

Finnky
Finnky
7 months ago
Reply to  Boz

– I’m with you on this – even though I credit Darwin rather than god. Self defense is inherent to all living things, otherwise they live no longer. Issue is many who believe an aggressive self-defense in form of hiring armed teams to disarm peaceloving gun owners – will make them safer. May help us understand gun grabbers to view them as thinking they are acting in (delusional and ineffective) self defense.

TexasJD
TexasJD
7 months ago

The outcome of the West Freeway Church of Christ church shooting yesterday near Fort Worth, Texas should be instructive. Criminal church shooter tragically got off a couple of shotgun rounds, but multiple volunteer church security team members were locked on to him in seconds, and he was neutralized in 6 seconds. Instead of one overworked school resource officer (a potential first target for an attacking shooter) guarding a school, multiple armed school guardians coming from different directions offer a much better chance of taking out an attacking shooter quickly and saving lives. Until locals and state governments get serious about… Read more »

Will Flatt
Will Flatt
7 months ago
Reply to  TexasJD

Well that’s gonna mean we have to BOOT writers like Little Harold, who advocate AGAINST ending Gun Free Zones ( Sign the petition at http://chng.it/nwrb2gvTKW ), then abolish these zones by continuous pressure on legislators & courts, and require that proactive-defense programs be implemented for armed staff!!

Doszap
Doszap
7 months ago
Reply to  Will Flatt

That doesn’t fit their narrative IMO after MANY years of watching these pigs, the Dems are happy to see these events,it has given them Political capital for years.The more innocents murdered the more laws we get RAMMED down our throats,

Will Flatt
Will Flatt
7 months ago
Reply to  Doszap

D, Anything that wrecks their false narratives is a good thing. I for one am sick of these vultures feasting on the corpses of victims that never had a chance, so they can create more defenseless targets for the criminal element they love and protect.

loveaduck
loveaduck
7 months ago
Reply to  Will Flatt

I agree.

Finnky
Finnky
7 months ago
Reply to  TexasJD

@TX-JD – We all observed the first hero shot while trying to draw handgun in face of pointed shotgun. No reason to expect a mercenary guard to magically perform better. Tragic as that mans death is – it took a team to bring down the shooter. One congregant may have fired the last (fatal) shot – but several others were working to make an opportunity to take the shot. It was an impressive team effort – with narry an erant ‘good guy shot’. Had they not had that particular team member, I doubt the bad guy would have gotten off… Read more »

TexasJD
TexasJD
7 months ago
Reply to  Finnky

Agree the shooting instructor church security team leader who took the shooter down remained calm in the face of the shotgun blasts. I have hunted w/ a 12 ga shotgun for 40 years and would never want to face one at close range.

Doszap
Doszap
7 months ago
Reply to  Finnky

Sadly the dead member wasn’t thinking clearly, you do not pull a gun after the perp has the drop on you.had he just sat there HE MAY have had a second chance to get to his pistol. God Bless Him and his families. IMO every Church,or major business needs at least one or more long guns available. Had this scum came in with an AR clone, or AK clone, it would have been far worse. WE need someone to put these clowns down fast and to be equally ARMED. Same with schools metal detectors armed guards and center fire rifles.Better… Read more »

willyd
willyd
7 months ago
Reply to  TexasJD

And the people who stopped this shooter, were a volunteer security that was put together after a new law was passed, so it could be used in an active shooter situation, which it was, stopped in 6 seconds!!!!!!!! This is not use like the old west, these people trained for this and it was use in the proper way as taught to them!!! This falls on deaf ears of most people in politics, great for lip service, no action or way to protect the children, my question still stands, ( What Price Of A Child’s Life Worth?) It has been… Read more »

Arizona
Arizona
7 months ago

So according to Harold, second amendment supporters need to stop school shootings from happening or our rights will be void. We need to do this… we must consider that… we should be aware of this… argh! Harold sets up an Un-winnable scenario, as no one can prevent these atrocities. It isn’t our responsibility, and failing to stop the unstoppable has no impact on whether our rights are infringed. We can and should try to convince school boards and local governments to enact certain protocols. But we do not control the execution or the planning, and our rights are in no… Read more »

Will Flatt
Will Flatt
7 months ago
Reply to  Arizona

Two of the things that Little Harold says that makes me absolutely see red is when he says dumbshit like “Let’s face it” and “you have to admit…” NO WE DON’T. I’m BEYOND SICK TO DEATH of his strawman arguments and his false framing!! I sure hope you’ve signed the petition & shared it with everyone on social media!
http://chng.it/nwrb2gvTKW

Finnky
Finnky
7 months ago
Reply to  Arizona

@AZ – Perhaps I should claim that as a 2nd amendment supporter, I have personally stopped every school shooting in my vicinity. Proof is that there has never been a school shooting near me!
Guess I’m just lucky – like the vast majority of Americans. Looking at statistics – either we are preventing school shootings, or they just default to no happening.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
7 months ago

The NRA used its School Shield program mostly as a front to generate revenue: https://www.thedailybeast.com/nras-school-safety-initiative-was-a-farce-meant-to-juice-fundraising-lawsuit. After praising the NRA’s fraudulent School Shield program, Harold Hutchison continues with arguing for gun control: the Gun-Free School Zones Act and ERPOs/”red flag” laws. What a train wreck! This article is one of the reasons why I think Harold Hutchison should continue to write on Ammoland. Without a meaningful debate about his shilling for the NRA, the only thing that remains is the propaganda the NRA puts out and that isn’t questioned. By the way, the Gun-Free School Zones Act is probably one of… Read more »

Will Flatt
Will Flatt
7 months ago

While I respect your opinion & choice, ask yourself, “How many people that read articles on Ammoland DON’T dive into the comments section??”
THAT is the reason why an insufferable, anti-2A, pro-WhinyLaPee-yew, total fudd, compromising appeasing traitorous shill like Harold needs to GO!!
There are quality writers like David Codrea who can and will address the issues cogently and correctly, and encourage readers to discuss the issues WITHOUT HAVING TO COUNTER THE LIES AND UNDO THE MISCONCEPTIONS that Harold generates!!

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
7 months ago
Reply to  Will Flatt

Banning Harold from Ammoland achieves absolutely nothing. The NRA has lots of other outlets where their BS is getting published without questioning it. Having here the option to comment and complain about his articles is quite important. Otherwise, how would people find out about the real NRA in the first place? It is places like Ammoland and TTAG where people can find out!

Will Flatt
Will Flatt
7 months ago

TTAG is a crap site that doesn’t tell the truth about the NRA, I don’t even go there. The comments section has turned to crap too since TTAG was sold.

Getting rid of Harold accomplishes exactly what I already said. You’re ignoring me now and repeating your claim, which I politely rejected, please don’t insult me further by blithely ignoring my assertions. The other outlets you refer to get paid by NRA to shill for them, at least Ammoland is somewhat neutral.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
7 months ago
Reply to  Will Flatt

I rather ridicule people than censor them.

Will Flatt
Will Flatt
7 months ago

Obviously. But again, you didn’t answer my question. And booting HH from Ammoland isn’t censorship. Governments censor. Publishers either publish or not. Not accepting someone’s writing is NOT censorship. You have no right to demand that something you write be published by a privately owned company. And your argument, which you’re entitled to, still doesn’t hold water. Facts don’t care about your feelings. And market forces ultimately rule. If a sufficient number of Ammoland readers chime in and say Harold’s gotta go, well Ammoland is free to either accept their customers’ demands or risk losing some by defying them. But… Read more »

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
7 months ago
Reply to  Will Flatt

“How many people that read articles on Ammoland DON’T dive into the comments section??” I don’t know and you don’t know either. I have answered your rhetorical question. Given that Harold is a current Ammoland contributor and you want him banned from Ammoland, I call that censorship of a current Ammoland contributor. Your last sentence is quite nonsensical, especially given my constant criticism of Harold. I see Harold as a gift that keeps on giving. A constant reminder that there are people out there that write and believe this drivel, AND a constant reminder that this drivel has to be… Read more »

Will Flatt
Will Flatt
7 months ago

More Bravo Sierra from the defeatist, appeasement-minded quisling, Little Harold!! HAROLD IS ACTUALLY SAYING WE SHOULD SUPPORT GUN-FREE ZONES & RED-FLAG LAWS!! THE EXACT THING THAT MAKES MASS SHOOTINGS POSSIBLE & DISARMS LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS!! If you see this, sign the petition so we can put this lying, traitorous, duplicitous @sshat off the platform!! http://chng.it/Sjs8VzLz Also, Harold, we are SERIOUSLY SICK TO DEATH OF YOU SHILLING FOR THE DO-NOTHING NRA. THE NRA WON’T EVEN FIGHT ALL-OUT GUN CONFISCATION IN ITS’ OWN BACKYARD!! If the NRA won’t defend 2A in its own backyard, it won’t defend 2A anywhere. NRA is now a… Read more »

Deplorable Bill
Deplorable Bill
7 months ago

Do you REALLY want to keep children safe at school? Arm the teachers! The ONLY answer to a bad guy with a gun has always been a good guy with a gun. Our nation is founded upon the BIBLE and our constitution, bill of rights, amendments and declaration of independence reflect that fact. Scripture, the LORD HIMSELF, mandates us to be armed. This is reflected by the 2A. Ever since Cain killed his brother Able, there have been evil people in the world and there has been an arms race. To deny that fact is death. To defend from the… Read more »

Ansel Hazen
Ansel Hazen
7 months ago

And make being armed REQUIRED. If a teacher can’t shoulder the responsibility of needing to protect their students they need to find another job.

Will Flatt
Will Flatt
7 months ago
Reply to  Ansel Hazen

The vast majority of educators are commietards who hate guns and will fight tooth & nail to resist this. We will need a MASSIVE hiring spree to replace them all. Millions of them.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
7 months ago
Reply to  Ansel Hazen

Having unrealistic expectations is not a solution! Neither is forcing people to be armed against their will.

Dave in Fairfax
Editor
Dave in Fairfax
7 months ago

CF, Oddly enough, it WAS the law when the colonies started. Every household was required to have a firearm, shot and powder of a designated quantity on hand at all times. How times have changed.

Tionico
Tionico
7 months ago

and the MEN were REQUIRED to carry their long guns, and pistols if they had them, as they travelled to church meeting Sunday mornings, and whilst AT the meeting house, and on the way home again. I have never heard anything about any “church shootings” in those days. Unless perhaps the MEN of the church decided to have a little marksmanship practice/drill/competition after meeting. Then the CHURCH would be doing some shooting. Or, if as formerly used to happen before travelling armed was mandated, there was an Indian raid on the meetinghouse.. Then the CHURCH would certainly be shooting back.… Read more »

TexasJD
TexasJD
7 months ago
Reply to  Ansel Hazen

Ansel, I agree with in general with arming teachers, but start with some volunteers such as big coaches who have had some type of realistic tactical and self defense training. There are some big mean kids in school these days, and an armed 105 lb 64 year old English teacher with a sidearm who was not prepared could be an easy source for a weapon grabbed by a big dude student and turned on other students. Why not supplement with some local volunteers, perhaps ex military, ex law enforcement, off duty law enforcement, and volunteers who have passed a good… Read more »

Arny
Arny
7 months ago
Reply to  TexasJD

I know your intentions are good. But think about what you’re saying. Vets living on the streets. I would say have some issues that need be addressed. Why are they on the streets in the first place ? I’m sure a few have legit reasons (financial). I’m willing to bet most have some real issues that need to be addressed first before put into a situation such as this. And if older vets, are their motor skills right for the job even if their hearts are ? I’m older in my 50s & not as fast as I used to… Read more »

Finnky
Finnky
7 months ago
Reply to  Arny

@Arny – Hadn’t touched a firearm until close to 30. Didn’t actually learn to shoot until I was close to 50. At recent class involving holster work I was drawing from concealment while everyone else had OWB holsters – yet often got two shots on target well before some took the first shot. Maybe I’m overly content with combat accuracy when at short range, and take considerably longer shooting further – but don’t think upper 50s is an impediment to my shooting. As @Oldvet says – we need to exercise – certainly I need to start. Biggest threats to my… Read more »

willyd
willyd
7 months ago
Reply to  TexasJD

Boy a good idea that will never be brought to light, the locals all say that they are all trained Killer’s that need mental help!!!!!!!! We were all Baby Killers when we came back from NAM!

Tionico
Tionico
7 months ago
Reply to  TexasJD

Go and learn about the FASTER Saves Lives programme, begun in Ohio in the wake of the Scammy Crooks “shooting” in Newtown. Teachers and other adult staff have the optioinof volunteering, they take a VERY intensive week of advanced training dealing with all aspects of firearm misuse at a school, including advanced EMT and Trauma Care training. They use their own handgun and carry rig, the same one they take everywhere except to school before this…. the entire programme has armed a couple thousand teachers after training, no one knows who is actually carrying, or who is qyalified for the… Read more »

jack mac
jack mac
7 months ago
Reply to  Ansel Hazen

AZ: These teacher need to find another country.

Finnky
Finnky
7 months ago
Reply to  jack mac

@JM – While at middle and high school I think intense knowledge and interest in a particular subject makes for the best teachers, compassion and interpersonal skills are quite important – bordering on most important for the youngest children. Some of the characteristics inherent to many of the best teachers (particularly K-5) make them unsuitable to carry a gun and quite unlikely to be able to effectively utilize it. Horrific as they are, school shootings are increadibly rare – and protection should not be allowed to overly interfer with primary role of our educational institutions. A few well-trained competently-armed staff… Read more »

Will Flatt
Will Flatt
7 months ago

Harold, meanwhile actually said we need to support gun-free zones. Remind everyone to sign the petition to get rid of this lying traitorous shill. http://chng.it/Sjs8VzLz

Grigori
Grigori
7 months ago
Reply to  Will Flatt

I did, Will! Thanks for the reminder, though!

Will Flatt
Will Flatt
7 months ago
Reply to  Grigori

Thanks!!

Dave in Fairfax
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Dave in Fairfax
7 months ago
Reply to  Will Flatt

WF, Why did you choose change.org for the campaign? They are alleged to be a left wing site that harvests e-mail addys. Read this update about the recall Ralph Northam move. https://mailchi.mp/75feeaf452a7/recall-radical-ralph-update

Will Flatt
Will Flatt
7 months ago

Good to know! I’ll check that out. Are there other platforms that are better for petitions??? I dont know much except to say I’ve seen other conservative petitions listed on Change.

Dave in Fairfax
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Dave in Fairfax
7 months ago
Reply to  Will Flatt

WF, Good question. The petitions I’ve signed have been hosted by the groups doing them rather than on some 3rd party site. The problem is that The Right bites its tongue and talks amongst itself, the Left screams and takes to the streets. The people supporting the Left happily make websites to support their useful fools, we unfortunately don’t. You might want to contact GOA, AZCDL, VCDL, or any of the other groups and see if they can host petitions. If you find one that does, let us all know.

Will Flatt
Will Flatt
7 months ago

I’ll look into that, but for the purposes of putting Little Harold on notice, I opted for the most convenient/available platform. It would be good to have a conservative petitions site if it exists.

Dave in Fairfax
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Dave in Fairfax
7 months ago
Reply to  Will Flatt

WF It looks like this might work. http://standunited.org/
It’s the only one I can find that is designed for Conservatives.

Will Flatt
Will Flatt
7 months ago

Thanks!!!!

Dave in Fairfax
Editor
Dave in Fairfax
7 months ago
Reply to  Will Flatt

WF, Nolo Problemo, I live to serve, Sahib. %-)

Tionico
Tionico
7 months ago
Reply to  Will Flatt

if he were stumping for FREE GUN zone,s I’d be right behind him in line to get some. Never can have enough, you know……but as per usual he’s got some things backwards.

Will Flatt
Will Flatt
7 months ago
Reply to  Tionico

Switzerland is a free gun zone. You sign up for their militia, get the training (AAAARRRRR—MEEEEE TRAINING, SIR!!!) and when you’re done with your bit, you get to come home with a FREE MACHINE GUN.

We NEED that here!

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
7 months ago
Reply to  Will Flatt

There is a lot of misconception in the US gun community about Switzerland: – No, Switzerland is NOT a free gun zone. Switzerland doesn’t have the right to keep and bear arms and does have significant gun control laws in place, yet private ownership and carrying of firearms is permitted. Here is an overview: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_Switzerland. US firearms trainer Rob Pincus is giving classes every year in Switzerland. – You do not “sign up for the militia” in Switzerland. Switzerland has conscription (the draft) for males only and you get called upon! There are civilian service alternatives for conscientious objectors.There is… Read more »

Will Flatt
Will Flatt
7 months ago

My last comment was tongue-in-cheek. And yes, Switzerland has stepped back significantly from their long tradition of armed citizenry. But this is a very recent turn of events – just within the last 10 years – because of extreme economic pressure from the EU. Switzerland is a small country and can ill afford to be economically locked out from the continent that surrounds them, so the EU has essentially blackmailed them into restricting gun rights. BUT… Switzerland STILL allows military who are leaving the service to retain their selective fire rifle and a sealed battle pack of ammo and take… Read more »

RoyD
RoyD
7 months ago

Ok Harold, how about we start holding these family members accountable for letting their mentally defective relatives loose in society. The Sandy Hook shooter’s mother and father both knew that he was a nut case of the first order. And that bullshit about “she was trying” doesn’t cut it. What was going through her mind when she took him “target shooting.” It was most definitely a “crime” that was committed by a mental case who was abetted by his family and anyone else who knew his mental state and access to firearms. In Florida the family got the authorities involved… Read more »