Bloomberg ‘Stop and Frisk’ Racism Stories Omitting His Most Damning Demand

The man who would be king can’t wait for these kids to get old enough to impose special, race-based adult disarmament restrictions against. (Mike Bloomberg/Facebook)

U.S.A. – -(Ammoland.com)- “Democratic presidential candidate Mike Bloomberg was swiftly condemned Tuesday after a years-old audio clip surfaced in which he appears to discuss in starkly racial terms the ‘stop-and-frisk’ policing practice he presided over as mayor of New York City,” Politico reported Tuesday. [and by the way, AmmoLand News reported on in 2015]:

“The scratchy recording was disseminated overnight across social media, provoking a new wave of online criticism against the billionaire businessman’s self-funded White House campaign just as it has begun to earn broader support in public polling.”

News outlets, which are quick to smear Trump supporters and Republicans in general as racist, were scrambling to act as megaphones for Bloomberg’s excuse-making. CNN made sure to help him distance himself from racism charges, citing his apology and emphasizing how such policies “do not reflect the way he thinks.” But even supposedly “conservative” Fox News left out Bloomberg’s most damning statement when it reported:

“A newly surfaced recording from a 2015 speech by Michael Bloomberg, in which the former three-term mayor of New York City gives a full-throated defense of the controversial policing procedure known as ‘stop and frisk,’ is threatening to undermine the 2020 presidential candidate's subsequent apologies for backing the policy and hurt his status with minority voters.”

The reason the recording is “newly surfaced,” is because Bloomberg put the squeeze on the Aspen Institute, which hosted his speech, to spike it, and they, like good little agenda-firsters, rolled over for him without question. And the reason he wanted it killed, a handful of us reported at the time, is that we noticed a piece of information buried deep in an Aspen Times account of the event:

“Bloomberg claimed that 95 percent of murders fall into a specific category: male, minority and between the ages of 15 and 25. Cities need to get guns out of this group’s hands and keep them alive, he said.”

That group contains legal adults. It also contains citizens, voters, veterans. To treat them all like violent criminals and blanket strip them of a fundamental right without a charge or even the pretense of due process would be the act of a mad tyrant.

It’s bad enough that a man who swore an oath to uphold the Constitution thinks so little of the Fourth Amendment. Worse is that even “conservatives” defending Bloomberg’s position on “stop and frisk” are avoiding the real problem: Ignoring the Constitution and instead imposing generational “progressive” policies has resulted in a statistically significant subset of the very types of “citizens,” across all demographics, that John Adams cautioned about in his 1798 missive to the Massachusetts Militia:

“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

The solution is not to ignore the Constitution even more. That’s the road to universal misery and death.

Adams continued, revealing  a founding intent at odds against everything loathsome toads like Bloomberg stand for:

“An Address so unanimous and firm from the officers commanding two thousand Eight hundred Men, consisting of such substantial Citizens as are able and willing at their own Expence, compleatly to arm, And cloath themselves in handsome Uniforms does honor to that Division of the Militia which has done so much honor to their Country. Oaths, in this Country, are as yet universally considered as Sacred Obligations.”

That’s what this blasphemous little wannabe dictator and his fellow power-mad freaks, in their relentless quest to control everyone in Everytown, would deny us all: Not just our right, but our duty and the duty of the states to uphold the core purpose of the Second Amendment.

That’s what prospective totalitarian Bloomberg would deny to all minority males under 25, regardless of their worth as individuals. Lumping them all in with that part of the population incapable of self-control is bigotry, and that at its core is collectivist. It's no surprise that citizen disarmament zealots parrot the same narrative as domestic enemy communists, and accuse Second Amendment advocates of being the ones who are racist — all in the name of “common sense.”

Keeping and bearing their own arms capable of being used to preserve freedom against those who would take it by force was once an expectation for free men. Remember that the next time some useful idiot or the evil creature doing the using bemoans our having “weapons of war.” And remember that the moral people Adams envisioned as being necessary to Constitutional government were the same people his contemporaries deemed “necessary to the security of a free State.”

We can conduct ourselves just fine, as the incredibly peaceful — and inclusive — outcome of the Virginia rally (or any annual NRA meeting, for that matter) demonstrates for all to see.  We won’t be scapegoated by those who can’t or won’t. And we will not disarm.



About David Codrea:David Codrea

David Codrea is the winner of multiple journalist awards for investigating/defending the RKBA and a long-time gun owner rights advocate who defiantly challenges the folly of citizen disarmament. He blogs at “The War on Guns: Notes from the Resistance,” is a regularly featured contributor to Firearms News, and posts on Twitter: @dcodrea and Facebook.

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Look into his eyes. That’s the cold, empty glare of a soul stolen by satan.

gcm
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Vote-2020 Anyone but a Democrat.
I’m a voter, and I approve this message.

DJT-MP-2020

gearjammer
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gearjammer

Always remember what bloomberg said “we must take away guns from the people being shot”, he didn’t say, take away guns from the shooters !! Not a single tv news person caught that !! As usual Fox news, news max, etc, can talk about the same 5 crap stories every hour on the hour, for weeks on end, but refuse to educate their audience about new draconian guns laws passed every week, only a once a week 20 second mention of some gun grab, with zero explanation, and definitely no guests to explain and educate, they are complicit in this… Read more »

Ej harbet
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Ej harbet

If this POS lil Napoleon dares to recite the oath may his words turn to poison and close his airway as he suffocates to death before this whole nation. I know this sadly didn’t happen when he became mayor.

KK
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KK

“Mini Mike” is gonna ” Stop & Frisk” EVERYHOUSE in EVERYTOWN and SEIZE EVERYONE’S GUNS!

Finnky
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Finnky

@KK – More like try. There just are not enough SS agents for that to work.

Will
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Will

@Finnky,that little midget would never get away with that would he?

USA
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USA

Vatican Crown Rothchild Zionist Jew bankers cabal of globalists not even hiding it any more…..
Looool

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USA
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USA

First they came for the children (Andrenochrome/Planned Parenthood/Epstien Island), then……..

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Will
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Will

You want to read a unreal and sad story google this,…Hot Wells Shooting Range employee shoots and kills customer at range. The victim was the father of triplets too.

CEMinMO
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CEMinMO

Bloomtard with two of his (least) favorite people. BTW, are those kids 4 and 6 years old? Bloomie absolutely towers over them – from his nose and up!

Will
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Will

I wonder if the midget was standing on a box in this pic with those two kids?

GAMtns
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GAMtns

Thank you, David. After speaking this week to a university employee who was responsible for a summer youth program, I emailed him that I believed the program was influenced by “cultural Marxism.” He said that he did not know what cultural Marxism was. I took about a minute to explain to him a few pointers, examples of gun confiscation and he became inflamed, saying that I made up the term “cultural Marxism” and that it was a pseudo word meant to resist the majority who want gun control. He understood nothing about gun confiscation or knew nothing of the history… Read more »

Finnky
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Finnky

@GAMtns – When you say states should appoint senators, what exactly do you mean? Are you suggesting that governors should appoint senators? Wouldn’t that increase concentration of power? Wouldn’t that mean that when Bloomberg, or others, buy a governor they would get three politicians for the price of one?
Currently senators are appointed through state wide direct election by the people – does that not maximize senatorial ties to the people of their state?

Heed the Call-up
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Heed the Call-up

Originally senators were appointed by their state legislators – to represent the state, not the people, the reason there are two for each state. The House of Representatives is supposed to represent the people, hence why each representative represents a certain district in each state, based on the population within each state.

option31
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option31

To put them on their heels I lump Progressives, Marxist, white and black nationalist, socialists – all flavors, communists, are all merely schisms of authoritarianism. It throws them off their game and they go into defense mode, which fails epicly as they all rule at the point of a gun and all sooner of later progress to a slave state. When your political philosophy advocates the use of force – any use of force it is authoritarian. They cannot back out of that

a.x. perez
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a.x. perez

So, it is true that a slight majority of murders are committed by minority group members. It is also true that the murderers are a minority of this group. Say 6,000 murders a year are committed by African Americans and Latinos (actually I keep up with the stats following weapons used in murder, so its extremely high African American, Latino somewhat higher than non-Latino White but much lower than African American. BTW it’s true, more people beaten to death than killed with rifles). The killers are still a tiny minority within their groups. The case in New York (and other… Read more »

Finnky
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Finnky

@axP – Thank you for so clearly stating my opinion of Bloomberg’s stand on the subject. Judging anyone for superficial resemblance to someone else is the very definition of prejudice. Bloomy’s short sighted approach and attitude are serious drivers of crime and persistent lifestyle shortcomings in certain sub populations. Respecting individuals and offering pathways out of poverty are a better approach.

Deplorable Bill
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Deplorable Bill

T “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” Tyrants and dictators use unknowledgeable people as pawns. These two kids likely have no idea they are being used as a tool for tyranny. “Forgive them FATHER, they know not what they do” comes to mind. Anybody, ANYBODY who want to disarm the citizenry is either very misinformed or is evil. I have a rough time believing that any open minded person could get on the net for an hour and come up with any good reason why people should be disarmed. That leaves only… Read more »

tetejaun
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tetejaun

They are not ‘misinformed’…democrats are communists and will not tolerate their slaves being armed. It is no more difficult to understand than that.

Deplorable Bill
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Deplorable Bill

Tete, I agree.

Arm up, carry on.

Will
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Will

@toto,I agree with you too!

PMinFl
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PMinFl

Even if bloomberg wasn’t so anti gun/2A , I despise his method of buying the next election. Using the corn flakes and laundry soap model of repeating and repeating ad nauseam his face and message(?) makes mockery of the intelligence of the American electorate !

Heed the Call-up
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Heed the Call-up

Well, most people are not very bright. Also,originally, only white male property owners were allowed to vote.

Knute
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There was a good reason for that too. Because, at its core, a government is just a group of people putting money into a common pot for things that they agree are important for them all. In those days the money was paid in only by white landowners, so it was their money to spend. They were the only voters because they were the ones with “skin in the game”. Its like the pot in a poker game. If you aren’t anted up, then you rightly have no say in the variety of game being played. THAT is a decision… Read more »

Superman
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Superman

What about the auto insurance model?

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Clark, Pretty vague question. What about, “What about…?”

Will
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Will

@Clark,you are the most off the wall pilgrim I’ve ever known. Pay attention Clark,………”TEXAS,like a whole other country” !

Warlok11
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Warlok11

WAIT ONE SECOND I seem to remember that the conservatives in this forum were hyping on how the crime statistics made it seem like black and latino youth were the bane of america, and that they deserved the treatment they were getting in their communities, BUT NOW THAT YOU WANT SOME DIRT ON A POLITICAL OPPONENT, YOU WANT TO DELVE INTO THE DETAILS OF THOSE POLICIES THAT BLACK AND LATINO PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SAYING FOR A CENTURY OR MORE WERE SYSTEMICALLY RACIST. Every one of you conservatives were smiling and celebrating when cops SLAMMED young innocent black and latino, men… Read more »

tetejaun
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tetejaun

Poor try, communist democrat scum. ESAD.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@ttj, Oh God, here comes that boring racist this and racist that blather, again. That crap he seems to remember, he remembers wrongly, but fits his scenario.

RoyD
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RoyD

Still shouting I see. Level of auditory volume does not equate to level of truth.

Warlok11
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Warlok11

WE NEED TO REMEMBER THAT TRUMP AND BLOOMBERG ARE BOTH OF THE SAME KIND. THEY ARE RICH, AND THEY CRAVE POWER AND ADULATION. THEY BOTH SWITCHED PARTIES TO ATTAIN THAT POWER. THEY BOTH DO N9T WISH FOR AN ARMED CITIZENRY, THAT IS WHY TRUMP HAS MADE NO STATEMENTS OR COMMENTS ON THE ABUSE OF CIVIL RIGHTS, AND SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS, BUT PLEASE, CONTINUE TO BELIEVE ONE IS BETTER THAN THE OTHER …

StWayne
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StWayne

While true (to some scope,) it’s to what extent and to what degree. Otherwise, you’re only other option is to abstain, and that’s no option at all.

tetejaun
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tetejaun

Your democrat lies make me laugh, little commiecrat.

Tionico
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OKWarlok.. it is ONE THING to examine and consider the raw statistics… prcentage of the cirms committed by certain “groups” as compared to other “groups”, to consider recidism rates, incarceration rates certain crime rates and arrive at the conclusion that “the xyz group” are involved to a evel far outside what pure percentages or numbers would suggest is “statistically expected”. It is quite another thing for a corrupt politician to call for blanket disarmament of an entire segment of the populatioin based on certain factors of race. And THAT is what Bloomie is demanding in his statements. Further, he’s made… Read more »

Finnky
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@Tionico – I would take it a step further. Statistics help us determine who is most impacted by social and economic shortcomings of our society in order to target programs to help level opportunities. Statistics can also be used determine efficacy to select and guide social programs. For example targeting improved preschool programs has been shown to be among the most cost effective approaches, with beneficiaries far less likely to become involved with drugs and gangs – and far more likely to become highly productive members of society. Such programs mostly benefit minority children, so please do not suggest that… Read more »

StWayne
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StWayne

And oh! As for that picture of Bloomy standing there with those two children in red? Draw a straight line from under her chin, and you know how tall his soapbox is.

OldJarhead03
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OldJarhead03

The anti-gun zealots couldn’t care less. They are willing to tolerate anything which will remove guns from the hands of common citizens.

StWayne
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StWayne

I was going to post, but after reading all the comments (and it took awhile!) there’s nothing I can say that hasn’t been said, even very well. It reminds me of three blind men all feeling the different parts of an elephant, and describing them so differently that an entirely different creature emerges. What’s missing is a meeting of the minds, and until such time, division and party rivalry is the creature we’re left to contend with.

grim reaper
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How many of those stopped and later indited or incarcerate, only due to this policy, did Bloomburg help exonerate or ex sponge the record once the policy was rightfully deemed unconstitutional. I would guess zero. How many votes should he receive for president? I would say an amount equal to that.

gregs
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the leftist media will spin this as bloomey being a liberal republican mayor, not the enlightened demonrat he is today. if he becomes president not only will he through executive order ban as many firearms as possible but also sugary drinks, salt and plastic straws.

nrringlee
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Progressives initiated a campaign of genocide against black America under the guise of “Family Planning.” No surprise that rabid progressives like Bloomberg see only the color of one’s skin and judge communities as well as individuals as such. I had the misfortune of being on recruiting duty in NY during his reign. I cannot tell you how many times my peers, Marine recruiters, were subjected to stop and frisk while out of uniform and how many times our delayed entry pool kids were harassed. But that is progressive America where everybody is up against the wall, feet back and spread… Read more »

homiegbiotch
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homiegbiotch

bloomthug, called ‘bloomer’ by Greg Guttfeld, is the same jerk he always was. He has not changed, his story revision is just to pander votes.He has several gun control groups that he funds, and is not worthy of a single vote.
Nuh Yawk is such a hole, why would we want someone to lead us into that misery ???

TheRevelator
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@Homie
He is a true fascist, who believes in Government dictating individual action right down to what you eat, what you drive, and what you are allowed to run in your own home. And if that wasn’t proof enough, he is a hypocrite who believes because he is in power that he can bypass the restrictions he would force others to live by.

Jacob337
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Jacob337

OMG. We got the peanut gallery in here tonight. Some real moralizers these two dim wits are turning out to be… “You’re a horses ass, no he is, he said Trumps stupid – I’m telling Mom!” Bunch of F’n losers. STFU and go to bed and get OFF AMMOLAND spamming it up with your unintelligible compromising garbage. You both lack the brain cells needed to make any debate worth tuning in to in regards to your OPINIONS on our Bill of Rights or more important individual God granted rights! You both probably live on some farm in Idaho getting kicked… Read more »

PsychoUSMC
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PsychoUSMC

Aren’t you a ray of sunshine in otherwise dreary world. Instead of jumping on people and telling them to STFU, why don’t you practice what you preach and STFU? Better yet, why not put your ass on the line and run for office? You’re pretty good at being a keyboard commando, badass from momma’s basement, but not doing anything to solve the problem. We are all aware of the problems but your aren’t actually handing anyone a solution, just a bunch of unnecessary bloviating. When was the last time you took a stand? I mean a real stand? Not bitchin… Read more »

Wild Bill
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@P/USMC, Thank you for your service. The above Yacup is just a troll paid per response. That is why he makes such outrageous statements. If you bite, he will insult you all the more. If you don’t bite, he will slime away quietly.

Knute
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and….. he still cannot figure out the six-letter word for a firearm’s dangerous end. After weeks of time to ask everyone he knows! He must be reeeeeal intelligent huh? Or else has no one with a functional brain to ask…. almost like a true bloomburger shill.

Jacob337
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Jacob337

Knute – I’ll address you this once and make your day by even acknowledging you exist as you want so badly, tailing me throughout the ammoland.com comments section shouting sentiments about you and your son placing bets on what the “ex-con” Jacob knows or doesn’t know. As to your question, I’m not sure what you’re getting at by playing Trivia with Knute or what that proves wether I know about the “Muzzle” of a firearm or not!? Does that make my talking points any less validated if I didn’t know your question? If I didn’t know your question would that… Read more »

tetejaun
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tetejaun

Poor try, coward commiecrat.
All you have is ignorance & hate.
Keep sucking for communism, commiecrat.

Jacob337
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Jacob337

Tetejaun, Tejohn? Whatever your stupid wigger name is you can quit with the manic responses shouting out how anyone who is above your trumptard IQ is a “Commie” or just doesn’t understand the very secretive form of chess not checkers strategic black force plan Dipshit Trump is doing.

Enough already Tejaun. Get back to the field and get that cotton picked before sundown.

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Heed the Call-up

Jacob, it is you that is making yourself a laughing stock, if that is what you believe. We are not laughing at you, we pity you being so naive, ignorant and stupid. Either that or you are an mindless paid Bloomberg troll.

We try to maintain a polite debate. Those like you, wallow in the mud, unable to see further than the stocks that cage you.

Jacob337
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Jacob337

Christ. Here we go with the retarded Order followers and their Military veteran lingo – Semper Fi Chief. You must have missed my other comments where I said I am a convicted felon. I am unable to run for office – if I wasn’t, I WOULD indeed make an attempt at running and finally straighten things out without compromise though as of late I feel I would mainly only focus on criminal justice reform and not actually care to repeal any firearm related laws as gun owners are such lazy, cowards I believe they do not deserve it. Before it… Read more »

tetejaun
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tetejaun

You atheist communist cowards make me laugh.
You actually believe communism is a good thing.
So, REMEMBER, the communists ALWAYS kill those that helped them take over. After all, YOU are a traitor to freedom and America…they can’t have YOU around.
Your FBI lack of education makes me laugh.

TheRevelator
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@jacob337 And yet you came here telling other people to shut up. So you really have no problem with controlling God Given Rights, as long as when it is when you are ok with it. You put your hypocrisy on display when you state that you would violate an oath of office based on whether you “Feel” people deserve rights.. How telling.. Had you come here and not made a complete ass out of yourself from the get go, you might have found that many of us are for Criminal Justice reform. We want the bad guys to go away… Read more »

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

And Jacob goes full retard. They always go full retard as if they cant help themselves. So the spammer is attacking a constitutionalist and trying to turn the blame for spamming comments on others. How quaint. What I have written on the Bill of rights is not opinion, it is direct quotation from the Constitution itself, quotes from our founding fathers, all auxiliary evidence which does not rely on opinion. I have written a lot on the subject of God given rights including scriptural context. So we now have Jacob screaming his opinion about how “all of that is just… Read more »

tetejaun
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tetejaun

Bloomberg DEMANDED New Yorkers live as he dictated.
Poor try, FBI democrat scum.

Tionico
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Tionico

hoo awr yooo tawkin tu ennyhaw? Y
Your comment is apopos of nothing….. a rant for its own sake.

nrringlee
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nrringlee

Bloomberg is a little man in search of a big balcony. He will promise to make the trains run on time. Unfortunately the train trips in his utopia are one way and lead to concentration camps. He is a fascist.

USA
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USA

nrr, A factually accurate assessment brother and is why the only way to stop them all is to round them up and put them in the camp for the survival of humanity and this is exactly what is going to go down.

Jacob337
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Jacob337

Amen. It’s a GOD GRANTED RIGHT. Man made laws (the laws which characters like Jim Simpson supports who is currently running as “Republican” in 2nd district Maryland – make sure FUDDS like him don’t win) cannot prohibit felons or anyone else from their right to self defense. A piece of paper is all the bill of rights is and it’s worthless. It means nothing. It only lays verse to what already was since the beginning – a birthright to possess a firearm. No one under any circumstance can deny someone that. Stop & frisk was outright defended by Donald Trump… Read more »

tetejaun
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tetejaun

1. You CANNOT show any action President Trump has taken to limit or deny the Second Amendment. 2. Voting third party is voting FOR communist democrats. 3. Stop & Frisk was used to remove guns from black and hispanic GANG MEMBERS, moron. Almost every gun collected was stolen. You must be a democrat trying to act like a gun owner. Poor try, democrat stooge. President Trump IS NOT a compromiser. Your democrat lies make me laugh. Yes, I am LAUGHING at you. Your OBVIOUS and IGNORANT democrat attempt to sway people to not vote for pro-United States Donald Trump is… Read more »

Jacob337
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Jacob337

Tetejaun or whatever your freakshow name is you’re a Trumptard. I understand my points lack sense in your world. The idea of the 4th amendment being sacred and something to defend is an anomaly to you. If you had any brains at all you’d do us all a favor and turn your firearms on yourself so we’ll have one less vote for dipshit Trump and a continued back the line stance of prohibitions on firearms. Btw – TRUMP repeatedly asked HIS BATF to review the definition of a machine gun and bump stock to see if they could fit the… Read more »

Will
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Will

@Jacob,come on man we don’t need that BS! You don’t like Trump fine,but some of the other is just wrong! Chill out!

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@Will
This is the best comment you’ve had. Jacob is acting out in rage because he is intolerant of people making their own choice.

Tetejaun is guilty of doing the same thing.

Both are reacting to each other, and neither are actually following the Constitution.

Will
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Will

@Rev,it was uncalled for for Jacob to tell Toto to turn his guns on himself. I didn’t like that at all!

TheRevelator
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@Will
I am in full agreement with you there. That’s why both Jacob and Tetejaun are wrong. Neither is acting in accordance with anyone else’s rights, they are trying to dictate what they feel others must do.

The most accurate assessment to be made here is that both of them comprise the south end of a north facing horse. One just happens to be the left cheek, and the other is the right side.

Will
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Will

@Rev,you got that right brother!

Will Flatt
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LOL @ left & right cheeks!! nailed it!

Finnky
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@Will – remember that Jacob is an ex-con. He continually demonstrates one of the biggest problems with our “justice” system by demonstrating the type of social skills learned in our prisons. As it is, young non-violent felons are placed into a system where they are pretty much forced into prison gangs in order to survive. Either we should make an effort to reform – or we should give up on individuals. Amount of money and resources going into those criminal education institutions is appalling. Don’t know what the solution is, but adding to prison population is not it, Maybe that… Read more »

Jacob337
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Jacob337

Finnky – WTH are you talking about? First of all, IM A CONVICTED FELON FOR RETAIL THEFT! I have not EVER been to prison. I’ve been to jail twice (Dunn County, Wisconsin & Cook County, Illinois). Where you go on this senseless rant about young men in the CJS being abused and victimized is par for course of you being a law abiding, small towner who has no idea of what they’re talking about. Do you know anyone who has been to prison before? And I mean fairly recently? Like anyone locked up since 2000 & onward? Prison, not jail… Read more »

RoyD
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RoyD

You are not telling the whole truth and as such are not worth listening to. And yes, I know the subject matter very well.

tetejaun
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tetejaun

Your hatred and lies from the communist democrats come through, loud & clear, commiecrat coward.
I laugh at your ignorance, commie scum.

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@tetejaun While I do not like Jacob337, and find him to be an individual trying to supplant reason with his own opinion, something you just said needs to be called out as well here. “2. Voting third party is voting FOR communist democrats. ” Anyone trying to control or limit how others vote is doing the same thing the Communists do. You have zero right to violate the First amendment right of free association of anyone else. For the same reason Jacob337 is also wrong. When someone violates the inherent rights of another, they negate their own rights. Now, Trump… Read more »

Will Flatt
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Well, there’s infringement and then there’s flat-out abolition / confiscation. While Trump may have put a permanent sour taste in the mouths of all freedom activists, he is by far the more palatable choice compared to the communists (Demorats). To keep the commies from taking over, every REASONABLE American will vote to keep Trump and the GOP, even if they’re flawed. I will not tell people how to vote, or try in any way to interfere with their vote. But I will work to persuade, and on the issue of voting, tetejaun makes a valid argument. Our electoral system has… Read more »

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@Will Flatt “Also, I believe we need a separation in America.” I agree. We are headed for balkanization. However, in the interest of not ignoring facts I would like to point a few things out. The system has only become binary because people have tried to abdicate the responsibility for themselves to political parties. Lets face it, if people think that checking a box is easier than working for what they want or because they want to control others and feel that is a way to do it, well that is the route they took. Years ago I told the… Read more »

Will Flatt
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Yes, let it come in our time, so that our children’s children will know peace.

Finnky
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Finnky

@Rev – George Washington, among others, warned of dangers of a two party system. There can be no doubt that this was not their vision for the country. Agree that we need difficult reform away from current binary system. People generally want to be on the winning team. Some want it so bad that they vote for who they think will win. More subtle effect is that once they’ve picked a “side”, data filtering kicks in and they only see reinforcing information. Given scant impact my vote has, I have usually voted third party whenever I find a halfway decent… Read more »

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@Finnky My Honda Shadow was made in the USA, and has given me no problems. Only breakdown it has had in its 28 year life was when the starter shorted out do to aging wiring and got replaced. I will not tell anyone else how they must vote, but I will tell them the truth about what their choice does. Voting for the lesser of two evils is done in acknowledgement that both choices are bad, that one is only less so by a margin. Personally, I will never compromise in that way. So here is an exercise for you.… Read more »

Tionico
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Tionico

The system has only become binary because people have tried to abdicate the responsibility for themselves to political parties. good observation and part of the root. There is anoher “cheek” to that harsizass, though. Our recent fraud of a president, the kinyin, made it his bidniss to imlement as many of his hero Saul Alinskys book Rues for Radicals. The chiefest amongst his techniques to destabilise and subject any populationis the divide into factioins then set any one faction against any other one or more. Cant yo see that’s been the main operative factor these past ten years or so?… Read more »

Considerthis
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Considerthis

If you can convince enough gun owners to follow your lead, then what is happening in Virginia can happen all over the USA. This is rather ironic ,considering you accused me of “promoting tyranny ” for asking a question. Seems to me that not pushing a button in a voting booth to prevent a socialist takeover comes a lot closer to “promoting tyranny”. Strict adherence to constitutional principle is admirable,honorable, and highly desirable. However, a strident purity test for imperfect candidates that would likely prevent a complete takeover of this nation by socialists and communists doesn’t seem very realistic to… Read more »

jack mac
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jack mac

WF: The anti-gun people have become impossible to live with.

Will Flatt
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@jack mac – That can be said generally of the Left without even having to bring up guns. The fact that they have made themselves intolerable and intolerant guarantees civil war. We’ll be lucky to escape that fate, by the skin of our teeth, if they ALL immediately move to the West coast states & Hawaii and stay there. But they won’t – they want to impose themselves, their vision & values on us. Check out https://johnmarksays.com for some very interesting info on all of this. He talks about this & more.

jack mac
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jack mac

Rev: I am not sure of the entire meaning of what you just typed. Denying a right to any free citizen is not a due process. Due process is to be implemented to remove freedom or property from individuals. It is counter to the purpose of our nation to deny rights to our own free citizens.

I do agree that Jacob, tete, and everyone else should direct their hostility towards our mutual enemies, and not each other,.

Jacob337
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Jacob337

Jack – We need to clear out the folks within whom are supposed to be on our side. FUDDS and the compromisers (the same thing essentially) need to go. They are not with us just because they may own guns. If they’re willing to allow prohibitions on firearms they need to get kicked to the anti-gun side and NOT able to make friendly with us. Trump hates the idea of an armed citizenry as well as does Jim Simpson, the individual David wrote on a couple days back who is running for a seat in 2nd district Maryland (he won’t… Read more »

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Yac up, So, now, in addition to being a charming personality, you are a mind reader, too? It must be nice to know what is in the minds of other people.

tetejaun
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tetejaun

YOU are the enemy.
YOU regurgitate EVERY communist democrat phrase and talking point.
Poor try, communist scum.

Jacob337
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Jacob337

Tajaun – enough with the gaslighting. We all know you’re a secret closet case that loves to shout at other men in the comments that they’re commies and anti-American Trump haters whom burn the American flag nightly. I can picture you now Tejun. I bet you look and act a lot like the ex-military dad from American Beauty. Rants and raves about everything but down in you is a sissy boy just waiting to have men take advantage of you and use you up like the ferry good boy you are now. Look up Boystown in Chicago, IL. I’d be… Read more »

Jacob337
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Jacob337

Tahunjohn – GOTT MIT UNS?

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@jack mac, And yet, in his very next post, Yacup writes, “We need to clear out the folks within whom are supposed to be on our side.”
Do be careful of that one.

PsychoUSMC
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PsychoUSMC

Trump tweeted on March 23, 2018: “Obama Administration legalized bump stocks. BAD IDEA. As I promised, today the Department of Justice will issue the rule banning BUMP STOCKS with a mandated comment period. We will BAN all devices that turn legal weapons into illegal machine guns.” That didn’t limit or deny the 2nd Amendment? The same guy who said: “Take the guns first, go through due process second,” Are you kidding me? If he’s a stalwart of the 2nd Amendment we’re all in trouble. Stop and frisk was a failure as well as denying individuals their 4th Amendment rights, even… Read more »

jack mac
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jack mac

Psycho: You are right in that all defending the right to arms are in trouble. You are wrong to think that any support any kind of demigod.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@ttj, Yac is just a troll, baiting you.

jack mac
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jack mac

Jacob: Repealing all prohibited persons laws needs to be demanded by all those not desiring to be so prohibited. Too many people do not realize how simple it is to be classified as prohibited. Too many private citizens are not aware of the threat to rights and liberty that exist by having a prohibited underclass of free citizens. People in this underclass must be treated as such or risk being so subjugated. The number of prohibited free citizens must be in the tens of millions and increasing rapidly. It should be obvious that most elected public servants will say anything… Read more »

Jacob337
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Jacob337

And no Jack Voting for republicans is a death trap of compromise. Stop the Trumptard behavior. Stop accepting what the RNC puts out as being better than the liberal across the isle. You’re no different than the blacks here where I live in Chicago that vote democrat and always will simply because that’s what they’ve always done believing it to be in their best interest. Literally Rednecks and Negroes are the same thing. Both are dumb as hell, unwilling to listen to any information you wish to tell them, live in a dump, most are obese, many are living off… Read more »

tetejaun
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tetejaun

Keep sucking for communist democrats and their communism, stupid democrat scum.
Your racism & hate come through clearly.
You just get a promotion in your democrat Einsatzgruppen, commiecrat scum?

USA
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USA

jack, Here is the request for repeal of the prohibition on non-violent felons currently filed at USSC. Lower federal appellate courts are already overturning the ban on non-violent felons. The Holloway case has just a few days ago set precedent in this matter by declaring non-violent convicted prohibiteds un-constitutional. Prohibiteds are the front line of the battle regardless if they are prohibited felons or prohibited misdemeanors.

https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/firearmspolicycoalition/pages/191/attachments/original/1570124956/2019-10-1-fpc-medina-scotus-brief.pdf?1570124956

Jacob337
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Jacob337

USA

Interesting. I Have yet to hear anything new in regards to the potential of the case to be heard before USSC.

What does the Holloway case mean for individuals such as myself who have been convicted of a non-violent felony as of right now?

Is it legal for me to possess a firearm under Federal law at this time??

USA
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USA

J, Holloway received an opinion declaring non-violent felony convictions such as for drunk driving as in this case “un-constitutional” whereas the gov bans arms to these individuals so there is now precedence by a federal appellate court to the favor of these type of issues but as for felony theft convictions no, because the crime of theft is still classified by the court as really bad, perhaps even as a violent crime but as things progress on these issues I’m guessing the issue of theft is possibly going to be explored by the courts and more clearly defined within the… Read more »

Will
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Will

Just look at that little pissant midget! That’s “Napoleon Complex” (syndrome) if I ever seen it! Look at the face on that gun-grabbing little midget!

Will
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Will

I guess the midget feels like a big man when he’s standing with a couple of kids!

Terry
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Terry

MiniMike is so low that he’d have to climb a stepladder to crawl under a snake.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Terry, Bloomers is so short he could repel off a dime.

Terry
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Terry

Good one WB!