Leftist Claim Rittenhouse Attacker was “Unarmed Man” Murdered “At Distance”

Leftist Claim Rittenhouse Attacker was “Unarmed Man” Murdered “At Distance”

U.S.A.-(AmmoLand.com)- A bizzare claim is blowing around the Internet. It was posted in an article I wrote about Lin Woods suing Candidate former Vice President Biden for smearing Kyle Rittenhouse as a white supremacist.  christianprogrammer wrote:

Wow bro you glossed right over Rittenhouse’s MURDER of an unarmed man — AT DISTANCE —

It may be that Joseph Rosenbaum did not have a visible weapon in his hand when he attacked Kyle Rittenhouse. It is irrelevant.  He was shot at very close range while lunging to grab Kyle’s rifle, after showing himself to be out of control, threatening, and pursuing a fleeing Rittenhouse across a parking lot at the head of a number of pursuers.   The entire sequence can be seen here.

Joseph Rosenbaum had already shown himself to be emotionally unstable to the point of violence. He had approached visibly armed men and dared them to shoot him, exhorting them, with loud shouts of rage to  “Shoot me n*gga!” “Shoot me n*gga!”

It shows Joseph Rosenbaum, immediately before the incident with Rittenhouse, was emotionally unhinged and ready to commit violence. Rosenbaum changed his appearance immediately before attacking Rittenhouse, indicating intent to avoid identification.

Just minutes later, 17-year-old Kyle Rittenhouse is fleeing from several people. The lead pursuer is Joseph Rosenbaum. Behind Rosenbaum is reporter Richard McGinnis.  McGinnis testifies there were others moving toward Rittenhouse behind him.

Rosenbaum throws a plastic bag with what appears to be a full drink bottle in it at Kyle as Rittenhouse flees.  As Kyle approaches a dead end blocked by a line of vehicles, a shot rings out, fired by a different rioter. Kyle turns. Rosenbaum is closing fast, and lunging to grab the barrel of Kyle’s rifle. Kyle fires four quick shots, killing Rosenbaum at what appears to be arms length distance.  It is classic self-defense.

There are several elements to self-defense. First, you must not have been the initiator of physical violence. There is no evidence that Kyle initiated the violence. There is no evidence he committed or provoked any violence before being pursued by Rittenhouse and the mob, just before the shooting.

Even if he had provoked violence, he regains his legal right to self-defense when he attempts to retreat from the situation. Kyle Rittenhouse was fleeing Rosenbaum and the mob. If Rosenbaum did not want violence, he merely had to refrain from pursuing and attempting to disarm Kyle Rittenhouse.

The video of the incident is reasonably clear. Rosenbaum pursues Kyle, throws an object at him, then a shot is fired by someone else. Then Rittenhouse is slowed by the rows of cars and turns to see Rosenbaum near and rapidly closing the gap.

Kyle brings the rifle up to fend of Rosenbaum, and shoots Rosenbaum four times at very close range, as Rosenbaum attempts to take the rifle from Kyle.

The best eye witness was Richard McGinnis. McGinnes says Rosenbaum was “lunging to grab the barrel of the rifle”.

Second, the defender has to believe his life or bodily integrity is in danger. Many people have been severely beaten in previous riots. It would be hard to argue that Rosenbaum merely wanted to peacefully discuss current events with Kyle.

When someone is attempting to forcibly disarm you, after chasing you,  you may reasonably believe they are not going to play nice after taking your rifle.

Kyle appears to have had a reasonable belief his life or bodily integrity was in danger.

He could not know Joseph Rosenbaum was a registered sex offender with a long criminal history of violence in prison. A jury should know that to explain why Rosenbaum would attack an innocent person for no apparent reason, other than his personal rage. It is the sort of thing Rosenbaum had a history of doing.

Rosenbaum did not have a visible weapon, other than hands and feet, when he attempted to take the AR15 from Kyle Rittenhouse.

He would not have been unarmed once he took Kyle’s rifle. He could not legally be armed with a firearm because he was a convicted felon.  If he had taken the rifle, Rosenbaum would have been guilty of at least three felonies: Battery, Robbery, and felon in possession of a firearm.

After shooting Rosenbaum, Rittenhouse retreats further, then circles around and carefully approach Rosenbaum, who is on the ground.  Kyle appears to want to assist. McGinnis is already providing first aid.

Rittenhouse is threatened by more members of the mob and runs toward police lines.

The left has somehow deluded themselves, if you shot someone who is violently attempting to disarm you, you lose your ability to defend yourself from other people violently attempting to disarm you. It is insanity as if people never commit crimes in concert or in mobs.

When I was teaching self-defense courses, I reminded people not to intervene in situations where they did not know what had happened.  The people who attacked Kyle Rittenhouse a minute after he shot Rosenbaum, did not know what had happened, whether Kyle was the victim or assailant.

They did not know if he had shot anyone. Gaige Grosskreutz, who later lunged at Kyle with a semi-automatic pistol in his hand, asked Kyle if he had shot someone.

Kyle said he was going to get the police. Kyle is halfway there. He only shot white people who were attacking him.

If someone is chasing you and attempts to violently take your defensive firearm, you are not obligated to wrestle them for the firearm.  You can shoot them to prevent them from disarming you. You may face a jury.

There are numerous cases as examples. A person who is attempting to illegally and violently disarm you is routinely considered a deadly threat by the courts.

As a reminder, Wisconsin law did not forbid Kyle from possessing an AR15 type rifle in Kenosha that night, in spite of the false reading of the law by the politically motivated prosecutor.

Wisconsin law on the subject is a bit convoluted, but clear when read to include the exceptions.

Kyle Rittenhouse is a political prisoner, because he dared to defend himself against multiple attackers.

To avoid harm, his attackers had merely to allow Kyle Rittenhouse to leave their presence, as he was shown to be doing, on video.

If they had not chased or attacked Kyle, no one would have been shot.


About Dean Weingarten:Dean Weingarten

Dean Weingarten has been a peace officer, a military officer, was on the University of Wisconsin Pistol Team for four years, and was first certified to teach firearms safety in 1973. He taught the Arizona concealed carry course for fifteen years until the goal of Constitutional Carry was attained. He has degrees in meteorology and mining engineering, and retired from the Department of Defense after a 30 year career in Army Research, Development, Testing, and Evaluation.

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Ram
Ram
5 months ago

The predatory mindset, possessed by Rosenbaum, is empowered
by all the laws that inhibit citizens, yet have no effect on him.
Joey had sized up Kyle to be ‘just a kid’, and Joey decided that he
was going to get that gun. . . . Joey was just dying to get that gun.
I actually think that Kyle Rittenhouse displayed self-control far in
advance of his years. Kyle should receive a commendation for his
Public Service Shooting, which served the greater good.

Get Out
Get Out
6 months ago

Rittenhouse should be found not guilty just based off of all these videos alone. He defended himself from a violent mob that chased him down and he defended himself with his weapon only when they cornered or caught him when he tripped. These buffoons were acting as the aggressors from the start and the videos show it too.
IMOA, when this does go to trial every gun owner should sign up to be seated on the jury.

2ndA'murrican
2ndA'murrican
6 months ago

How ironic that a young man with the kind of fortitude as Kyle would exercise restraint and awesome trigger control when a convicted molester, screaming  “Shoot me n*gga!” “Shoot me n*gga!”(Who’s the actual racist here?) just to be prosecuted for defending himself after being chased into what amounts to a tactical dead-end. All those that he shot were white morons with a libtard agenda pretending to side with BLM with Antifa intentions to promote violence and anarchy hoping to depose law and order to further their Marxist ideology. Rosenbaum asked for it, he got it. Anthony Huber attacked an individual… Read more »

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MarkE
MarkE
6 months ago

Remember, in retrospect, that none of this would have occurred in the first place had government done its job and controlled the literal anarchy in its streets. None of this mayhem was the result of “peaceful protest” – it was the direct consequence of permitting lawless rioting that left the city looking like a Mad Max movie set. How many lives are now irreparably lost, or forever altered, because government failed in its most fundamental responsibility – the protection of its citizenry? But, as is too often the case, those most culpable in the commission of the crime are now… Read more »

Dee
Dee
6 months ago
Reply to  MarkE

That’s why the guy in the White House must go!! I believe new leadership will change what is going on in our streets right now. Weak!!! Very weak President. Let’s remove him!! Any body at this point except him. Let’s remove him with democracy not a virus. I do wish him a safe healthy recovery.

Rowboat
Rowboat
6 months ago
Reply to  Dee

– are you still on the line ?
Must be very late in China for you to be up ! Take a break and tell your “ most responsible person in charge” that you need to get some fish and rice !

Finnky
Finnky
6 months ago
Reply to  Dee

@Dee – You must be very young, or just simple. Just because something is not optimal does not mean you cannot do worse. Trust me biden is worse, but Harris is head & shoulders worse than Biden. If elected Biden won’t last a term and Harris would end the country. I don’t mean she will transform the country to an unrecognizable state – I mean that the country will cease to exist as a single political entity. While there are difficulties and differences between factions within the country, this country is well worth preserving – so biden/Harris need to be… Read more »

Ram
Ram
5 months ago
Reply to  Dee

The chaos had been nurtured, to get idiots and timid souls
such as yourself, into that very frame of thought.
Congratulations you’re a tool for the Marxist democrats.

Ram
Ram
6 months ago

Having read the comments first this time, I note that Dee doesn’t agree with the self defense conclusion. That is because Dee has excrement blurring his POV. Kyle should be applauded for the judicious application of a public service shooting. Ex-con Rosenbaum decided to relieve a “kid” of his rifle (he wanted that gun). Skateboarder attacked Kyle, and failed. Gaige was on a killing approach, gun in extended hand (quoted later as saying he wanted to empty his gun into Kyle), but he was a nano second too slow. In a twist of Soros sponsored criminal injustice, none of the… Read more »

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Finnky
Finnky
6 months ago
Reply to  Ram

@Ram – Looked to me as though Huber (skateboard dud) committed suicide. If someone is holding a firearm of any sort with their finger on the trigger when it is yanked away from them, the trigger will be ‘pulled’ even if they don’t move their finger, though the reflexive response to having something pulled out of your hand is to tighten your grip. In short, when Huber pulled the rifle toward his chest he cause damage it to go off and Rittenhouse should not be considered responsible even at level of self defense – it was suicide. Focusing on the… Read more »

Camotim
Camotim
6 months ago

Free Kyle Rittenhouse. He acted in self-defense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX6RNlU-qu4

Rowboat
Rowboat
6 months ago

I haven’t seen in any reports that Kyle was still behind bars . Isn’t he free on bail ? I believe there are several groups attempting to raise money on line ( but you can’t find them) for his defense. Also, it’s been reported that several law firms are defending him pro bono. Kyle should be financially good, if all this is true,
But reporting on this has been sketchy.

GUNS r US
GUNS r US
6 months ago
Reply to  Rowboat

Well…if Mr. Rittenhouse is still in jail, maybe the defenders of freedom should just go get him out! The far left doesn’t seem to have a problem taking over police stations and getting heroic air time for it!

GUNS r US
GUNS r US
6 months ago
Reply to  GUNS r US

Who’s the troll hitting all the down votes here?
Looks to me, most likely everyone is in agreement on this bum rap! Free kyle!!!

Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
6 months ago
Reply to  GUNS r US

Yes, we do agree with that, however, your first comment appears to be insulting those that believe in our Constitution and the law, and also implying that we should be breaking the law, something we are not inclined to do.

GUNS r US
GUNS r US
6 months ago

Sorry for the misunderstanding. No one loves the constitution more than I do. And justice seems to be a thing of the past for patriots and God loving Americans. I’d rather break the “so called law” and free an innocent man, than sit on my butt and complain about how unconstitutional his trail went. I’m tired of the double standards in this great nation.

Dee
Dee
6 months ago
Reply to  GUNS r US

And there you have it. This “Guns r us” guy is exactly the idiots on the “right” the “antifa-fascists” ones (You like how I did that right?) Are the ones really causing the issues and riots out there. Why? 2nd amendment. Why do you think Guns are selling? But I’m a natural born American from the south. I don’t need “scared” tactics to support my 2nd amendment right!!!

GUNS r US
GUNS r US
6 months ago
Reply to  Dee

So, you’re the trolling idiot!

JoeUSooner
JoeUSooner
6 months ago

Whoa, Heed! Remember, we are NOT a “nation of laws.” We are a nation of Constitutional laws!!! Simply enacting a piece of legislation does not – by itself – make that law Constitutional. And specifically, those idiot political screw-ups (Socialists/Democrats) enacting legislation [particularly gun-control legislation!] guarantees that the resulting “law” is nowhere near the same zip-code as “Constitutional.” The Supreme Court has ruled (6 times in American history) that unconstitutional laws are not valid, and citizens have NO obligation to obey them. So when Dimwit-ocrats deceitfully seek to enforce such invalid laws, patriots are indeed completely justified (morally, legally, ethically,… Read more »

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Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
6 months ago
Reply to  JoeUSooner

I am familiar with the Marbury case, too. However, until the Supreme Court rules on bad laws, they will continue in force; or until the law is changed/repealed by the legislative body that created it. We have numerous “unconstitutional” firearm laws in the USA. How many have been declared unconstitutional and how many have prosecutors and/or LE have ignored due to their being “null and void”? Our current federal government was founded after the ratification of the Constitution. It operates under the guise of that document, the bureaucracy it established, and laws created by its legislative body. You can declare… Read more »

Oldmarine
Oldmarine
6 months ago

Legally the People have the right to override any illegal judicial law enforced by any court. DA’s and Judges can be charged on a personal basis as to breaking the law of the land and by supporting NON laws they are committing a felony against the Constitution and the Republic. The problem is that in order to do that now days you need money and guts. I think all Jury’s need to be informed by a statement of Constitutional legalities and their rights before any contemplation begins.

Finnky
Finnky
6 months ago
Reply to  JoeUSooner

@Joe – If patriotic militias descend upon Wisconsin to forcibly free Kyle, Democrats would win virtually every federal election this year. Then survivors of that raid, including Kyle, would have to survive living on the run until killed or captured to spend remainder of their lives in prison. Sorry as I would be to observe their fate, I would have no sympathy due to their impact on the political scene – including destruction of this very nation under God and our great Constitution. Give it a couple months. If Kyle has not been vindicated, rescue may be merited. If dems… Read more »

Oldmarine
Oldmarine
6 months ago
Reply to  Finnky

I take it you support what is going on presently, ” Don’t rock the boat ” and just let it go on and on ? If you critize then you must suggest a solution or you point is mutt. The Constitution is for all people including you. That is essentially why the 2nd amendment original intent exists, to protect us from the government and any personal physical attacks. We are the people “By the people for the People” Anytime a public servant violates their Oath of Office they are attacking your trust and confidence thereby assuming that they are the… Read more »

Oldmarine
Oldmarine
6 months ago
Reply to  JoeUSooner

.
Correct >>>
In 1803 the Supreme Court decision “That any law REPUGNANT to the Constitution is Null and Void “ and mostly ignored by judges and even jury’s . >>>
.

Tionico
Tionico
6 months ago

the fact that Kyle is still in the hoosegow is because the creatures with the funny suits on and the keys to things like the jails are NOT upholding the laws that already exist.Ever hear of Habeas corpus”> How about SPEEDY trial, IN the jursdictioon where the alledged offense occurred” Or being judged by a jury of one’s PEERS? WHY is he aparently in jail inIllinois? He did NOT commit any offence, real or imagined, in that state. WHY has some judge not read the charging papers in Wisconsin and tosssed it all out, and had harsh words for the… Read more »

Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
6 months ago
Reply to  Tionico

Yes, I am familiar with that bit of history. That is entirely different than going to the jail Kyle is in and “breaking him out”. This case, unfortunately, will need to work its way through the “justice” system. The only way it wouldn’t is if the prosecutor was willing to admit he is wrong – that will not happen. We all know this is just his playing politics with an innocent person’s life. Unfortunately, that, too, happens often. The jurisdiction the purported crimes Kyle committed occurred in Wisconsin, the same state trying to extradite him. Yes, the rioters, and especially… Read more »

Oldmarine
Oldmarine
6 months ago

The DA and the Prosecutor are actually committing a felony by their actions against a citizen. A DA or a Prosecutor are not Law Enforcement, They are part of the Judiciary and should be doing their job and not that of the Law Enforcement. Kyle needs his lawyers charging both violating not only the law but also violating their Oath of office. A felony in itself.

Oldmarine
Oldmarine
6 months ago

Not insulting and the Constitution is the Law of the Land and many other laws are unconstitutional as stated by the Supreme court of 1803. So to make sure the Constitution keeps unchanged or degraded sometimes ” By the People “ has more meaning than perceived. The very words “By The People “ has a powerful meaning that the Constitution should be taken literally and NO interpretations need be applied. “By the People” is the Key to the whole Constitutional content.

Finnky
Finnky
6 months ago
Reply to  GUNS r US

@GrU – We still have a legal system that usually – eventually reaches the correct conclusion. Patriotic people who see what is happening are working with the system to push it in the right direction. Effect of working with the system to reach the right conclusion is to help built faith in the system so that everyone, regardless of their initial impressions, can live with the conclusion. It makes me sick to see Kyle going through this – but if the alternative is to engage in violent overthrow of the government as you suggest, I will pass for now. We… Read more »

Oldmarine
Oldmarine
6 months ago
Reply to  Finnky

He is not advocating overthrowing the government but correcting a local infraction by public servants violating the Constitution which is only a political agenda designed to override the law.
What do you suggest as a remedy to the solution and give Kyle a fair and legal response ? Criticize without a suggested solution is like smoke in the wind.
You must remember that the Justice system is run by men and men are not perfect if they were we wouldn’t need the Constitution.

Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
6 months ago
Reply to  Rowboat

The last I read was he is still in jail on with bail set at $2 million, awaiting an extradition trial to send him to Wisconsin for trial on the charges related to his self-defense incident.

Dee
Dee
6 months ago

You’re absolutely wrong here. No self defense here. If Kyle was “Antifa” would these articles even appear here? Think before you answer. I believe in gun laws not totally politics!!

Dee
Dee
6 months ago
Reply to  Dee

I supports the legal law if the land and constitution when it come to my gun rights. I support the 2nd amendment but I believe if Kyle was considered a “leftist” then these articles wouldn’t be posted here for his defense. Stop freaking playing division politics!!

Oldmarine
Oldmarine
6 months ago
Reply to  Dee

I see your point but that is bringing the media and and public servants, not abiding to their Oath of Office that should be considered. Most injustice occurs when that happens. Brainwashing by the media and public servants and using that for their own agenda. When there is no other options sometimes the PEOPLE have to correct the injustice and they have that right. “By The People”. Injustice per say is not listed as a crime but it should be then there would be less of it.+

Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
6 months ago
Reply to  Dee

No, self-defense is not a left/right political football. It is irrelevant what his political stance is, especially as a minor that cannot vote. What is political are the Leftist politicians and MSM who are mis-identifying him as a racist/white supremacist, etc., when he is none of that. The videos make clear that it was self-defense.

Dee
Dee
6 months ago

But the rhetorical information being spread by these forms make these people on the left seem like “enemies” and they’re not. They are American citizens fighting and demanding their rights. Yes some on “both sides” are idiots but most are God loving people of the great USA!! So why divide? Stop putting these articles out unless we’re trying to loose the White House. That dumbo in office Now is hurting our chances enough to keep the 2nd amendment as is now.

Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
6 months ago
Reply to  Dee

Dee, they are the enemy. They do want to hurt us, look at the rioting and who is targeted and assaulted. There may be some people on the Left that do believe in our RKBA, but their politicians are doing everything they can to turn us into criminals.

The politicians, anti-rights groups, and the MSM, all state that we are ignorant, gun-loving racists that care more about our RKBA than our children. There is no way to have a rational discussion with people that have that mind-set.

Rowboat
Rowboat
6 months ago
Reply to  Dee

, you’re comments are totally nonsensical and convoluted! Are you that guy in India that I always get on the phone when I want information ?

Knute
Knute
6 months ago
Reply to  Rowboat

The only thing relevant that “dee” has posted is: “I support the 2nd amendment but…”! The operative word there is “BUT”! BUT… he really doesn’t. It’s just an attempt to appear to be reasonable to those who are easily fooled. And they cannot understand why it doesn’t work anymore.

Dee
Dee
6 months ago
Reply to  Rowboat

Matter of opinion but you’re definitely funny. Lol

Phil in TX
Phil in TX
5 months ago
Reply to  Dee

No one else here has said it yet, so I will. Dee the fact is that you are an idiot and every post that you make just adds more proof to the pile that is crushing you.
Phil in TX

Tionico
Tionico
6 months ago
Reply to  Rowboat

close,, he is the guy who is trying to inform you that your SocialSecurity card was used in Texas (he has NO idea where Texas is) and that you need to give HIM all your informaiton so he can “protect you” from all your money. I tell him everytime he calls to stop wasting hit time breaking the law ere, and to go buy a pedicab so he can make an honest living there in India. His next words are not fit to repeat in a public forum.

Don
Don
6 months ago
Reply to  Dee

The leftist ARE enemies. It was and is the leftist that are burning and looting across the nation.

Lakefoot
Lakefoot
6 months ago
Reply to  Dee

If you are protesting peacefully-great, continue to your heart’s content. However, if you are a person who thinks “demanding their rights” can include other people having to give up their rights to make you happy or removing their property/livelihood by burning their business down you are in error. There are no videos showing Kyle advancing on the protestors but many showing them pursuing him. It was clear that the crowd did not spontaneously turn from trying to injure or kill Kyle to trying to be good samaritans and “apprehend” him for a crime. Their intent never appeared to change and… Read more »

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Dee
Dee
6 months ago
Reply to  Lakefoot

I’m 100% TOTALLY against ANY illegal activities. Well except the drug laws in this country. Kinda pathetic but I digress. Regardless of what “side”!! Equal protection under the law for ALL right? Now let’s see how many dislikes this gets.

Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
6 months ago
Reply to  Dee

Dee, I already addressed that self-defense is not a Left/Right issue. Well, except that Leftist politicians do not believe in the right to self-defense. Justice Ginsberg has even stated that.

Oldmarine
Oldmarine
6 months ago
Reply to  Dee

Dee if you were in Kyle’s shoes I am sure you would have a different opinion.
As the native American’s say you need to see his point of view, Life or Death. Otherwise you would be an easy victim.

Tionico
Tionico
6 months ago
Reply to  Dee

people on the left seem like “enemies” and they’re not. They are American citizens fighting and demanding their rights. show me anywhere in any law anywhere in the US that anyone has a right to break into someone else’s business, overturn a car and burn it, seize control of someone else’s building to which they have no right of entry, to throw buring object, light fires, drag people out of their own cars and beat them, to shoot a man simpl standing with a friend on the sidewalk, to invade someone’s private land, raising a loud ruckus in the middle… Read more »

jack mac
jack mac
6 months ago
Reply to  Dee

The people disarming private citizens are why we divide.

Finnky
Finnky
6 months ago
Reply to  Dee

@Dee – Few here actually object to protesting, it is the rioting and wanton destruction we find offensive. I may not agree with what you have to say, but I willing defend your right to say it – along with my right to not listen. None of the people involved in the incident were protesters, with possible exception of Kyle who could be considered to have been protesting against rioting. If you saw the videos of Mr Rosebaum from before the incident, he was indistinguishable from skinheads, or other than dress from hitler’s brownshirts. He was there to riot, not… Read more »

Oldmarine
Oldmarine
6 months ago
Reply to  Dee

Dumbo statement Dee. It shows that you reply is all emotional and completely devoid of logic.
If you define someone as a Dumbo then you must give logical reasons for that attitude or your accusation is like the dead leaves in the yard,raked in a pile and burned..

Autsin Miller III
Autsin Miller III
6 months ago
Reply to  Dee

Dee, I am interested in why you don’t think Kyle’s actions were in self defense. We can argue all day as to whether or not he should have been there, but in the end, he has as much right to be there at the people who attacked him. Doesn’t he also have as much right to being there safely as they do? What would you suggest he do when getting hit in the head with a skateboard and kicked? Let’s remember that he was attempting to leave the area when he was attacked from behind. Had they left him alone,… Read more »

Dee
Dee
6 months ago

Maybe it is his fault. Not sure. Fault here is kinda a sticky situation. He fail the number rule of self defense…Not to put yourself in a bad situation. True the others were in a bad situation as well but it still don’t justify the shooting. I’m sure no one went out that night thinking they were going to get shot or even shoot someone. But the shooter had the gun and regardless how we feel about guns, others may not have our love for guns. Guns have always incited people. Be smart we know that! Protesters have been inciting… Read more »

Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
6 months ago
Reply to  Dee

The rule of self-defense is to not be in a situation requiring it? How about the assailants not putting themselves in a situation where they needed to be shot? No, being in a bad situation is when self-defense is necessary. The issue isn’t that the situation was “bad”, but that the rioters chose the wrong victim to attack, their intent to harm/kill him is the justification for the self-defense. “[R]egardless of how we feel about guns”? We are at a site called Ammoland. Of course we are pro-RKBA, regardless of how others may “feel”. Guns incite people? Many of the… Read more »

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Dee
Dee
6 months ago

I get it. We all have opinions. Here in Texas most people have a right to defend their property but will you shoot someone who you feel is different then you if they’re in the action of stealing your kid’s big wheel?? Think about that question. Also, I’m referring to this situation specifically! By the way, I follow facts and “science” (Dang. I did it again:). You may follow man or Clown(WH guy).

Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
6 months ago
Reply to  Dee

“[W]ill you shoot someone who you feel is different then you if they’re in the action of stealing your kid’s big wheel?” What does someone being “different” than me have to do with a person breaking the law? I will admit someone stealing is different than me. “I’m referring to this situation specifically!” Yes, the situation that Kyle was in was where a group of rioters chased and attacked him, requiring that he defend himself or be harmed or killed. “I follow facts and ‘science'”. Highly doubtful, as the numerous videos are quite telling as to the truth. The yelling… Read more »

Last edited 6 months ago by Heed the Call-up
HoundDogDave
HoundDogDave
6 months ago
Reply to  Dee

You keep saying it is a difference of opinion. It is not. It is not opinion that Kyle was running away from the confrontation, it is a fact backed up by video evidence. It is not opinion that Rosenbaum was acting aggressively toward Kyle by throwing a projectile at, and chasing Kyle down, also evidenced by the video. All your comments and assertions are not opinion, but rather an attempt to rationalize your refusal to accept the facts before you. Denying the facts to suit your delusion of how you want this to have turned out will not make the facts… Read more »

Dee
Dee
6 months ago
Reply to  HoundDogDave

Ummm HoundDogDave Is it a fact that Kyle was arrested? Is it a fact he’s still in jail? Well it’s obviously somebody’s opinion(probably the only opinion that matters) that your opinion is wrong. Now I don’t claim to be a scholar all the time but sh!t I’ll take it 98% of time. Lol. But for real close your eyes and picture Kyle as member of “antifa” and he was hanging with the Proud Boys. Do we all feel the same way then??

Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
6 months ago
Reply to  Dee

Yes, he was arrested. Does that make you right? Of course not. People get charged all the time. That does not make them guilty. And Kyle was not with the Proud Boys – there were none there. Neither is he a racist nor a white supremacist. You are trolling hard, but your comments are false.

The facts are quite obvious to anyone that actually wants the truth – the videos are all over the Internet.

Oldmarine
Oldmarine
6 months ago
Reply to  Dee

To assume makes an Azz of your self, but you have the right to have you own opinion.
I ask you have you ever been in a life or death threatening situation deciding if you live or die ? You then learn the truth.

Get Out
Get Out
6 months ago
Reply to  Dee

Perhaps for real, open your eyes and picture Kyle as the videos show him to be, the victim. He is the victim of a violent mob that tried to kill him as shown visually and through audio when the violent mob caught up to him.

Ansel Hazen
Ansel Hazen
6 months ago
Reply to  Dee

You don’t get anything Dee. I’m pretty certain Texas is ashamed of your kool-aid slurpin ass.

Phil in TX
Phil in TX
5 months ago
Reply to  Ansel Hazen

Ansel, you are right. Texas is and should be ashamed of Dee, as he/she should be ashamed of her/himself. Dee belongs in California, NOT Texas.
Phil in TX

Oldmarine
Oldmarine
6 months ago
Reply to  Dee

Dee please tell us your opinion of what self defense is ?
Because you post are confusing on just what you call ” Self Defense “

Tionico
Tionico
6 months ago
Reply to  Dee

Not to put yourself in a bad situation Dee, Kyle did NOT “put himself in a bad situation”. He was there to help prevent further damage to the car lot business. Maybe you’d feel all fuzzier inside your velure ined little heart had Kyle just been able to pick up a stray piece of two by four and ake whang dang doodle on the heads of the creatures who were busy about trying to burn down the car dealer’s building? He’d ahve been fuly within his rights at that point. The arsonists/murders were not even within their rights to bE… Read more »

Finnky
Finnky
6 months ago
Reply to  Tionico

@Tionico – Don’t leftists complain about victim shaming? Dee’s statements are equivalent to saying that all women or girls who are raped deserve it, because they put themselves in that situation. I’m buying it to the same extent. Yes I attempted to educate my daughters on how to avoid such situations, how to preemptively terminate such efforts, and how to physically get out if attacked – together with assuring them they could talk to me… I would not seek vengeance without their approval. OK – I lied to them, but studies have shown women will avoid telling their parents out… Read more »

Tionico
Tionico
6 months ago
Reply to  Finnky

Don’t leftists complain about victim shaming? not what I’ve observed. They comlain about it when it does not happen. But THEY are mostly the ones perpetrating it.Which is WHY they prosecuted Kyle, and why they are telling so manyv lies about him.. illegally armed, looking for trouble he is the aggressor, shold have stayed home… wel, what about the three goons that stuck their noses into bidniss nunnadeyoan? Seems they hd their knickers in a bit knot because Kyle was armed and they thought he should not have been. He also had the guts to put out their dumpster fire.… Read more »

Oldmarine
Oldmarine
6 months ago
Reply to  Dee

.
NO GUNS ( weapons ) = NO AMERICA.
Proven by History..

Tionico
Tionico
6 months ago

he has as much right to be there at the people who attacked him. I do not agree. Kyle was there at the invitation of the car lot owner, to help protect his place from more of the damage it had received the previous night. Kyle WAS there lawfully. When those goons lit the dumpster on fire (arson, trespassing, destryction of property. the garbage cmpany owns that , they were destroying it with the fire) then pushing it toward the building to light IT on fire, they had ceded any right they had to be on that private property, as… Read more »

Autsin Miller III
Autsin Miller III
6 months ago
Reply to  Tionico

That’s a very good point and I stand corrected.

And I gave up trying to get through to Dee. If a person has trouble seeing self defense in a situation where he (Kyle) tried to avoid the situation and was forced to defend his life, if Dee doesn’t get that, then I think we are just going to have to disagree and leave it there.

Oldmarine
Oldmarine
6 months ago
Reply to  Dee

A true American supports the Constitution and not a political agenda.

Jonesy
Jonesy
6 months ago

Washington Compost had a tear jerking piece all about these dirt bags chasing Kyle and how they were “turning their lives around” over the weekend, I believe.

Don
Don
6 months ago
Reply to  Jonesy

Aren’t “they” (aka-dirt bags) always turning their lives around? Every street thug when they get shot by police or a liquor store owner, has relatives that say the decedent was “turning their lives around”, as they just got out of prison and the other charges haven’t gone to court yet. If they are in their 20’s they are always going to start college the next semester.

Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
6 months ago
Reply to  Don

Their lives were turned around at the point that they became fertilizer. That’s the best these criminals will ever be to society.

Get Out
Get Out
6 months ago
Reply to  Jonesy

They were being portrayed as the victims instead of members of a mob that had turned violent.

Winchester1873
Winchester1873
6 months ago

The simple fact is… leftists are liars and dispicable people. Totally useless. Next time one is encountered, ask them about their military service. Guess what???

Don
Don
6 months ago
Reply to  Winchester1873

Military service doesn’t matter since only 1% of us served. Ask a pile of good conservatives if they served and most never even came close. I think being a vet is an overblown factor in ones life. Yes, I served in the Navy and Army as well as being a police officer.

Phil in TX
Phil in TX
5 months ago
Reply to  Don

And thank you three times for your service.
Phil in TX

nrringlee
nrringlee
6 months ago

Ideology blinds adherents to clear facts. The mob on the left will believe whatever is convenient for them to believe in order to justify their actions. The relative force issue is compounded by the fact that Rittenhouse was attacked by a mob. It is not reasonable to expect an individual attacked by a mob to individually distinguish and respond to threats. His defensive measures must be guided by reasonable care. Fortunately he has a good defense team behind him and will prevail in the criminal arena. But it is going to be expensive. That is the true punishment. The state… Read more »

RJL
RJL
6 months ago

Give this young man a civilian silver star for valor, against the socialist/communist mob.

Finnky
Finnky
6 months ago

There is another way they twist the meanings of words. Frequently read people talking about Kyle and the other’s there to protect property as vigilantes. Far as I know vigilantes means people taking the law into their own hands, generally using mob violence to punish those who they feel have “transgressed”. In this case militia members did present a show of force to discourage assault, but were not seeking a fight, simply to discourage vandalism directed at the properties being guarded. It was pretty clear that they had no intent to use their weapons unless forced to do so in… Read more »

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
6 months ago
Reply to  Finnky

You got it right. Kyle tried to put out the dumpster fire and that got the ball rolling with a person that was not of right mind.

Swany
Swany
6 months ago

This whole thing is bullshit. They are going to try everything to make this kid a scapegoat. Way too much evidence in his favor. About the only thing they might have, if they can twist it enough, is the minor in possession angle.

Tionico
Tionico
6 months ago
Reply to  Swany

Above, Dean hinted at this issue. He has previously done an excellent analisis of Wisconsins law.. and presented the several exceptions to the general prohibition agaisnt minors in possession of arms. The law is crystal clea, and Kyle is on the correc side of it. You might go and find Dean’s eariler piec on this exact bit of fine-pointery. I believe it was written a fe days after the evnt itself,

Green Mtn. Boy
Green Mtn. Boy
6 months ago

FREE KYLE,JAIL THE PROSECUTOR !

Last edited 6 months ago by Green Mtn. Boy
Get Out
Get Out
6 months ago

Rittenhouse shouldn’t even be in jail just based off of these videos. He defended himself from a violent mob and is being made the scapegoat.