The Trayvon Hoax, Unmasking the Witness Fraud 2019 – VIDEO

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U.S.A.-(AmmoLand.com)- Joel Gilbert has produced a superb work of investigative journalism. If the old media were not complicit in the hoax, this would be front-page news across the nation. A travesty of justice was perpetrated against George Zimmerman. The two-hour documentary shows how and why it was done.

Full disclosure: This correspondent has written extensively on the Trayvon Martin – George Zimmerman case. I was one of the first to defend George Zimmerman, to declare the case was being used for political purposes. AmmoLand News has also reported in depth on the event with in-person interviews.

Joel Gilbert’s documentary and investigative work are convincing evidence of how the fraud on the court was created, propagated, and promoted for political and financial gain.

Gilbert started his investigation with a desire to document how a far-left, radical mayor, with significant corruption problems, came within a squeak of being elected as the Governor of Florida in 2018. As he looked into the politics of the election, it became clear candidate Andrew Gillum used false perceptions about the Trayvon Martin – George Zimmerman case, fostered and promoted by the Media, to promote his candidacy. Gillum, who has since been involved in more scandals, came shockingly close to winning.

Joel Gilbert decided he needed to know more about the Trayvon Martin – George Zimmerman case. He was able to meet with and interview George Zimmerman. He obtained the entire phone log for Trayvon Martin.

Joel Gilbert does a brilliant job. If you have done investigative work, his competence stands out. He illustrates that 99% of genius is hard work.

The investigative work, clarity of the evidence, and thoroughness of the multiple lines of investigation pursued are superb. This is what serious, well done investigative journalism is and should be.

There is evidence. Well documented, explained and verified. The case put forward by Gilbert is compelling, understandable, and damning.

The star witness in the case was not who she was portrayed to be. It was a deliberate fraud on the court. The evidence Gilbert uncovered is bound to figure prominently in the current lawsuit George Zimmerman has filed against those who defamed him for political and financial gain.

Gilbert does not spend much time on a side plot revealed by his investigation, which may give a glimmer of understanding as to why Trayvon Martin chose to attack George Zimmerman.

Trayvon Martin was 17. He was head over heels in love with Diamond Eugene, a 16-year-old young woman. Their relationship was intense and overtly sexual. Trayvon was spending hours a day on the telephone with Diamond. He did not know she was also in a relationship with another young man. Diamond expected and demanded a lot of time and attention. Just before Trayvon Martin attacked George Zimmerman, Diamond seems to have dumped him. It is in the text messages, as Gilbert illustrates:

Trayvon: u sayd ima waste of yo time

Diamond: it wat it is

Trayvon: u really hurt a n**** feelns

Diamond: it whatever

Trayvon: u done wit m??

Diamond: n**** go fuck a hoe

Could this be why Trayvon felt compelled to attack George Zimmerman? Male humans are often at their most dangerous when they have been rejected by a significant love interest.

Joel Gilbert does not say that was Trayvon’s motive. He does not dwell on this aspect of his investigation.

Most of the investigation is about finding the real Diamond Eugene and linking her to Trayvon Martin, Sabrina Martin, the false witness (Rachel Eugene), Benjamin Crump, and Matt Gutman with irrefutable evidence.

Joel Gilbert uses his fine-tuned skills to develop:

  • Phone evidence
  • Handwriting evidence
  • DNA evidence
  • Video evidence

It is no small thing to substitute a fake witness in a murder trial for the real witness.

I give The Trayvon Hoax documentary five stars. If you have been interested in the Trayvon Martin – George Zimmerman case, watch this documentary. It reveals how much the nation has been played by those who benefit from racial strife.

Joel Gilbert deserves high praise for doing the work none of the power elite wanted to be done.

The two hours spent watching this documentary is two hours well spent.

The Trayvon Hoax Unmasking The Witness Fraud That Divided America #ad

If you prefer to read the book, it is available at this site.



About Dean Weingarten:

Dean Weingarten has been a peace officer, a military officer, was on the University of Wisconsin Pistol Team for four years, and was first certified to teach firearms safety in 1973. He taught the Arizona concealed carry course for fifteen years until the goal of Constitutional Carry was attained. He has degrees in meteorology and mining engineering, and retired from the Department of Defense after a 30-year career in Army Research, Development, Testing, and Evaluation.

Dean Weingarten

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JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago

MASS SHOOTING!!!!!!! – Neighborhood: Greater Grand Crossing (South)
The national media will not be covering this story every day for weeks, but it will go into the statistics of “mass shootings.” The next time a “mass shooting” occurs with the characteristics that are interesting to the media, they will talk about how many mass shootings there are – leading people to believe all the mass shooting have those same characteristics.

This approach seems simplistic and it’s hard to believe anyone would fall for it, but it works. Most people believe most mass shootings have characteristics different from this one:

https://wgntv.com/news/chicagocrime/at-least-10-people-shot-2-killed-in-mass-shooting-on-south-side/

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JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago

MASS SHOOTING!!!!!!!

This is the type of event that goes into the “mass shooting” and “children killed by gun violence” statistics:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2021/3/1/22307890/east-chicago-shooting-girl

No description of assailant.

Odd that this event isn’t being reporting non-stop in the media, isn’t it?

By the way “East Chicago” is a city in the state of Indiana. People living in Chicago do not refer to an “East Side” of the city – that’s the lake.

Sam
Sam
1 month ago

When Will you write how The Ashli Babbitt shooting was justified?

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago

Dean, For some reason, the Travon Martin shooting was picked up by the media and reported on non-stop for weeks. As many of the posters below pointed out, the story was heavily manipulated in many ways. The media attempted to use the story to advance a narrative of systemic racism and the need for more restrictive firearm laws to control racist predators. Meanwhile, there are many thousands of shootings that occur for which the national news does not do detailed investigative reporting. There is no follow-up, no demand to find the killers, no background on the criminal history of the… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Weekend ended 2/14/21 – 10 Shot, 4 fatally
Neighborhoods: Austin (West), Gresham (South), Englewood (South):

https://abc7chicago.com/10-shot-4-fatally-in-weekend-gun-violence-/10338857/

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Weekend ended 2/21/21 – 18 shot, 2 fatally
Neighborhoods: Little Village (SouthWest), Gresham (South)

https://abc7chicago.com/teen-boy-fatally-shot-in-little-village-among-18-shot-in-weekend-violence/10361031/

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Chicago Weekend ended 2/28/21 – 25 Shot, 5 fatally Neighborhoods: Marquette Park(SouthWest), Austin (West), West Chersterfield (South), Brainerd (South, Roseland (South) https://abc7chicago.com/25-shot-5-killed-in-chicago-weekend-violence/10379595/ YTD Chicago violence as of February 28: 432 Shot, 87 fatally (plus 3 additional homicides not from GSWs). Why do only 20% of the shooting result in a fatality? Most of the shootings are done with a handgun The people shot are whisked-off to hospitals where some of the best trauma surgeons/surgical teams in the world save their lives. Neither the shooter nor the person shot pay a dime in the vast majority of the cases. The vast… Read more »

Sam
Sam
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Ok. I can fill this with articles of crimes done by white people. That doesn’t justify anything.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  Sam

Do you know how to divide?

Sam
Sam
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Systematic racism is not a narrative, its fact.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  Sam

Do you believe white Hispanics have been roaming the south and west sides of Chicago for the last 60 years gunning down Blacks who just want to enjoy their Skittles?

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
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JSNMGC
JSNMGC
12 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

The 11-year-old girl who was shot a month ago died. She was shot in the face and the bullet lodged in her neck. After 21 days in ICU, she died. Marcus Starkey has been charged with her murder. Judge lambasts alleged gunman’s excuses for being ‘drunk and high’ when he fired weapon, shooting 11-year-old girl – Chicago Sun-Times The 11 year-old girl will not get the attention from the media that Trayvon Martin received. Marcus Starkey will not get the attention from the media that George Zimmerman received. The dysfunctional micro-culture in the West Pullman neighborhood of Chicago will continue… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Weekend ended 3/7/21 – 20 shot, 1 fatally
Neighborhood: Avalon Park (South)

https://abc7chicago.com/20-shot-1-killed-in-chicago-weekend-violence/10396702/

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JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Weekend ended 3/14/21 – 38 shot, 4 fatally
Neighborhoods: Grand Crossing (South), Avalon Park (South), Humboldt Park (West):

https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-shootings-weekend-gun-violence-shooting-breaking-news/10419044/

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
25 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Weekend ended 3/21/21 – 21 shot, 4 fatally
Neighborhoods: East Garfield Park (West), West Town (near North West), Bronzeville (South), Douglas (South):

https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-shootings-weekend-gun-violence-shooting-breaking-news/10440209/

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
18 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Weekend ended 3/28/21 – 30 Shot, 4 fatally (ABC understated fatalities)
Neighborhoods: West Pullman – 2 people (South), Pullman (South), Logan Square (Northwest)

https://abc7chicago.com/tag/chicago-shooting/

The rate of carnage will now increase as the weather warms-up. There is a high correlation between temperature and homicides on the south and west sides of Chicago.

All these needless homicides (96% Blacks and Latinos) kind of makes you wonder why Trayvon’s death received so much attention, doesn’t it?

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
15 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Mostly peaceful March for the south and west sides of Chicago. 302 people shot during the month, 46 fatally 48 total homicides 20 mass shootings so far in Chicago this year – none of them received the “mass shooting” attention by the national media, for some reason. The majority of firearm owners continue to believe things they are told by the mass media: Mass shootings only happen when the media reports on certain ones Whites commit a disproportionate number of mass shootings (not true – Blacks commit a disproportionate number of mass shootings) Most mass shootings are committed by loners… Read more »

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JSNMGC
JSNMGC
11 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Weekend ended 4/4/21 – 40 shot, 7 fatally Neighborhoods: Roseland (South), Little Village (SouthWest), West Pullman (South), Dunning (NorthWest), Washington Heights (South), West Town (West), Englewood (South) Chicago shootings: 34 shot, 7 fatally, in weekend violence across city – ABC7 Chicago ABC understated the number wounded by 6 people. The decisions that result in the dysfunctional micro-culture (and only a dysfunctional culture can produce this level of violence) are celebrated by many in the BLM movement. Some believe that pregnant 12-year-olds, 80% of children abandoned to mothers/grandmothers, children growing up with no discipline, and parents uninvolved in the education of… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
9 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Mostly peaceful mid-week evening as weather gets warmer in Chicago: Chicago shootings: 12 shot, 2 fatally, overnight, including teen killed in Lawndale shooting – ABC7 Chicago Biden, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and Anderson Cooper remain silent as the rate of slaughter picks up. Since firearms are much more prevalent in areas of the country with less than 1/100th of the homicide rate in these neighborhoods, what is the cause of the violence on the South and West sides of Chicago? Why doesn’t the NRA do the math and talk about the issue? Why doesn’t the NRA help “pro 2nd Amendment”… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
7 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

WHITE SUPREMACISTS continue their assault on the minorities living in the mostly peaceful Englewood and Garfield Park neighborhoods of Chicago. https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2021/4/9/22375177/9-shot-1-fatally-april-8-gun-violence-homicide-crime Thankfully, Biden has identified the root cause of this senseless violence. Now murderers (with long felony records) will have to go to FFLs to buy their ghost guns and the serial numbers will be on record. A paper trail – just like Kim Stolfer wanted. Finally, reaonsable people, like Flyknot, are “not falling back on the old, tired, and frankly, irrational arguments of ‘no compromise.’ It is possible for human beings to agree on a system that would keep… Read more »

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james
james
1 month ago

I’m gonna take a lot of heat for this but… If George Z. was so badly hurt by having his head smashed into the concrete sidewalk, why did he refuse a trip to the ER? He told police in the room ‘medical care is expensive’. What? Most folks who were attacked would go to the ER or personal MD to make sure they had no brain bleeds. George could have went to sleep and never wake up. Instead he knew he was not beaten so badly, any ER medical records would be used against him in any trial. He did… Read more »

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RoyD
RoyD
1 month ago
Reply to  james

No james, no heat just ridicule. You are free to say moronic things here if you want and wil will be around shortly to give you a big hug and squeeze your ass cheeks for you. It’s all good.

james
james
1 month ago
Reply to  james

Z believed he was going to die, he said TM told him that. Would you go to the ER? All this stuff is all over the news sites and on web, the video is there. ‘Medical care is expensive’. I don’t buy it. He rolled onto the grass so he was not getting his head smashed on the sidewalk. “As soon as he punched me I fell backwards. He was whaling on my head and I started yelling help,” said Zimmerman. “He grabbed my head and started hitting me into the sidewalk. I slid into the grass to get out… Read more »

RoyD
RoyD
1 month ago
Reply to  james

“Zimmerman said Martin told him, “You are going to die tonight” and kept banging his head into the sidewalk, and that he shot and killed the teen soon after.”

And then the defense said, “I rest my case.”

james
james
1 month ago
Reply to  RoyD

Sorry but you can not cross examine a dead TM. We only have one side of the story. Again, if you were being beaten so bad you thought you would pass out, TM would take your concealed handgun (once you were out cold) and shoot you?
Why not go to the ER? Because Zimmerman was full of crap.

RoyD
RoyD
1 month ago
Reply to  james

Well, riddle me this james. How many times in the last eight years have you been assaulted and drawn your firearm to stop the attack? For me that has been twice. First time a 21 year old black male and the second time a 16 year old white male. Fortunately the sight of the firearm cooled their desire to continue the assaults. Oh, and “the assault” in each case consisted of a right cross by them in each instance which caught me by surprise each time. If they had continued their assaults I would have attempted to end it with… Read more »

james
james
1 month ago
Reply to  RoyD

The skin color of the attackers is irrelevant. No I have never had to draw my firearm on anyone and I hope I don’t and you don’t have to again. BTW I have been beaten severely in my younger years, did I deserve all of them, no, just two of them and I did get medical attention.
I agree with you to use the legal means necessary to stop an attack, in my state I can’t use deadly force unless presented with the same.

Finnky
Finnky
1 month ago
Reply to  james

It is quite easy to imagine him not wanting to go to the ER. Have you ever experienced a serious concussion? Your thinking is off a bit for a while. I had the impression Z was not particularly well off financially. Have you ever been to an ER or even seen a bill for visiting? Maybe Z knew they would simply hold him for several hours, look in his eyes and tell him to take it easy for a few days – then send him a bill for $10-20k. Pretty much describes care I received after my worst concussion (though… Read more »

Beobear
Beobear
1 month ago
Reply to  james

I can’t say what his thinking was because I don’t know but I can say this. I spent 10 years working for a fire department where medical calls were the majority of our runs each year. While it doesn’t make sense from the outside it is EXTREMELY common for people who are very sick or seriously injured to refuse to go to the hospital. I’ve seen many cases where people refused to seek advanced medical care and either died soon afterwards or were later rushed to the hospital by family and almost died. Your argument simply isn’t valid in the… Read more »

Last edited 1 month ago by Beobear
james
james
1 month ago
Reply to  Beobear

My point is that Z was not hurt as bad as he said he was, he was speaking with police in the interrogation room for a long time. He should have been charged with manslaughter not murder. I understand folks who decline the trip to the hospital and forms they sign. We can’t interview TM because he was shot dead. The real question is why did he accuse the teen aka SWAT him when Z and M never knew each other until that sad night? “Up to no good…. on drugs or something…. axxxx always get away..” Don’t get me… Read more »

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Beobear
Beobear
1 month ago
Reply to  james

It’s impossible for you to determine Zimmerman’s injuries or his motivation at the time. Simply surmising that because Martin is dead and can’t speak he was somehow not responsible for getting himself killed doesn’t pass muster. What it boils down to is Martin attacked Zimmerman. Zimmerman feared for his life. Zimmerman used deadly force to stop Martin from trying to kill him. Martin died due to injuries sustained physically attacking Zimmerman. These are the facts, not opinions and facts ultimately decide court cases. Or at least that’s what is supposed to happen and did happen in this case. Martin would… Read more »

Bozz
Bozz
1 month ago
Reply to  james

I once fell on my bike onto asphalt, poked a whole in my eyebrow from the rim of my glasses, and scraped all the skin off one side of my forearm, and didn’t seek medical attention. Yeah, it was ultra painful for a couple weeks.

Laddyboy
Laddyboy
1 month ago

There are, what you can say are, THREE truths TO MANY PEOPLE:
1.) Your truth,
2.) My truth,
3.) Then there is the REAL TRUTH!!!!

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago

I’m just in this thread to show appreciation for Dean’s use of “Opinion” at the top. Dean, your humor did not go unnoticed.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Tough crowd. In the Rittenhouse article, Dean was criticized for not making it clear enough that his analysis was his opinion.

Finnky
Finnky
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

I overlooked the word until you pointed it out – but instantly got the reference when you pointed it out. Guess I’m going to have to start reading Dean a bit more carefully. Thanks for the Easter egg!

Sam
Sam
1 month ago

Ok, boomer. Spouting nonsense like this is the reason why the rest of the country have the opionin of gun culture.

RoyD
RoyD
1 month ago

George should have been given a medal for taking out the trash.

Sam
Sam
1 month ago
Reply to  RoyD

He hasn’t took you out yet.

RoyD
RoyD
1 month ago
Reply to  Sam

Oldvet, I think his primary language is “Jive.”

Dave in Fairfax
Editor
Dave in Fairfax
1 month ago
Reply to  RoyD

I have to wonder if Dee is back

wil
wil
1 month ago

typical! blame the victim b/s that’s been repeated time and time again. if trayvon was the attacker why did zimmerman follow him? in the 911 call made by zimmerman the operator clearly tells him to stop following the young man.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 month ago
Reply to  wil

You apparently haven’t paid attention during the trial. George Zimmerman clearly DID stop following Trayvon Martin! Trayvon Martin doubled back and confronted George Zimmerman. If Trayvon Martin hadn’t done that, the confrontation would have never taken place. All of this was admitted as evidence in the case.

It looks like you fell for the falsified timeline that stems from the edited phone call released by NBC: https://www.foxnews.com/us/nbc-issues-apology-for-edited-zimmerman-911-call

wil
wil
1 month ago

and “Q” is real, not some russian hacker!

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 month ago
Reply to  wil

You are not making any sense with your uninformed off-topic reply! Feel free to provide any argument supporting your position on the topic being discussed. I doubt that you have any.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 month ago
Reply to  wil

Congrats, you found the phone call transcript! Now, where does it say George Zimmerman continued to follow Trayvon Martin after being told “Okay, we don’t need you to do that.” and he replied “Okay.“?

wil
wil
1 month ago

hmm…maybe you got me there…oh, but wait…he was shot at close range in the chest and not from far away in his back…so unless that lil punk zimmerman had magic bullets? the witness said multiple times that martin said some creepy dude is following him…so again unless martin had a space time machine that allowed him to warp space and time…thus the “Q” is real. believe what you want but facts are facts!

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 month ago
Reply to  wil

I guess you really follow the QAnon nonsense! By the way, how can someone get shot in the chest in his back?

wil
wil
1 month ago

no, i don’t follow Q at all. it’s sad that people can be mislead so easily…

are you saying he was shot in the back? wouldn’t that imply he was turning/moving away?

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 month ago
Reply to  wil

If you had paid attention, then you would know that I have been lampooning our resident QAnon follower for almost a year. So, all of your QAnon references in conversations with me are rather a big swing and miss! You made contradictory statements! Are you saying that he was shot in the chest or in the back? I never stated either way! The evidence clearly shows that he was shot in the chest at close contact distance. I never disputed that. You just invented a fake argument and magic bullets, hence my comment. Maybe you actually start arguing your case?… Read more »

wil
wil
1 month ago

sorry bud, as much as i’m only semi-retired at this point i don’t spend a lot of my time at ammoland. so far i’ve only engaged with only one person that could actually put together a cohesive debate. all the rest just like to act like a fifth graders and call names…tee hee. you or i weren’t there, judging by how much of a lil punk zimmerman is ide guess he had his gun out while chasing the kid…there is really nothing to argue here other than the idea that some kid getting candy and a pop is dead for… Read more »

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 month ago
Reply to  wil

You “guess” without knowing any of the evidence presented in court and only following the propaganda that you have been told by the MSM in the months leading up to the trial!

Zimmerman was (and still is) an idiot, who put himself unnecessarily in danger. Nevertheless, Martin was the actual punk here. You would know that, if you had actually read up on Martin’s history. Martin was suspended from his Miami-Dade County school when he was shot 200 miles away in Sanford.

How a Miami School Crime Cover-Up Policy Led to Trayvon Martin’s Death
https://spectator.org/54312_how-miami-school-crime-cover-policy-led-trayvon-martins-death/

wil
wil
1 month ago

guess, speculate, like i said neither of us were there. this article follows the typical line as many other, BLAME THE VICTIM. also like i said there is really nothing to argue here.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 month ago
Reply to  wil

Again, the court evidence is crystal clear that Trayvon Martin attacked George Zimmerman, despite of you being completely ill informed on the subject.

Yes, you are blaming the victim (George Zimmerman), because you have been told for months that George Zimmerman was a white racist hunting an unarmed black kid.

I merely provided you with the motivation for Trayvon Martin attacking George Zimmerman, which is that he was not that innocent school boy that he was portrayed in the media to be.

wil
wil
1 month ago

ok

Finnky
Finnky
1 month ago
Reply to  wil

@wil seems to me you are the one blaming the victim. If a pretty girl cuts through an alley to get to her car, gets jumped by a rapist, but shoots them and escapes — do you blame the girl and call the rapist a victim? Yes Zimmerman behaved in a manner which increased his risk of a violent confrontation, but just because he is a man does not mean he was not also a victim.

wil
wil
1 month ago
Reply to  Finnky

in your scenario who’s the pretty girl? because the kid was just walking home and had it not been for punk ass zimmerman’s racist (at a min bigoted) feelings toward someone HE felt was out of place WE WOULDN’T BE TALKING ABOUT THIS!

RoyD
RoyD
1 month ago
Reply to  wil

And the world was the better off for the trash being disposed of. But then you like to revel in trash, don’t you. Well, birds of a feather and all.

wil
wil
1 month ago
Reply to  RoyD

ok

wil
wil
1 month ago

good morning troll! have you eaten anyone today for trying to pass over your bridge without permission…

Dave in Fairfax
Editor
Dave in Fairfax
1 month ago
Reply to  wil

Wil,
Everyone who watched Star Trek knows that. He’s not the best source for a cogent argument.
The other possibility is that the witness lied. If someone is on top of you shooting them in the chest is much easier than in the back. For humans anyway, I can’t speak for apes or the Q.
The article mentioned witness substitution during the trial, you might want to think about how that affects the credibility of the witnesses.

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wil
wil
1 month ago

not sure what you mean here

wil
wil
1 month ago
Reply to  wil

you must be really lonely under your lil bridge there troll. if you keep chatting your going to miss your next meal

Dave in Fairfax
Editor
Dave in Fairfax
1 month ago
Reply to  wil

Will,
I amended it, maybe it’ll make more sense now.

wil
wil
1 month ago

who’s “he”? both witnesses i’ve referenced were first hand, not hearsay.

wil
wil
1 month ago
Reply to  wil

you know brown eyes aren’t actually any better than blue eyes, right? it’s sad that all of your self worth comes from the need to feel superior…what was your rank after six years in the service E-4 dud…what was your MOS? since the army stopped using horses they don’t need crap scoopers anymore…SHOVELS…RIGHT SHOULDER…ARMS!

Dave in Fairfax
Editor
Dave in Fairfax
1 month ago
Reply to  wil

Wil,
You do understand what hearsay means, right. There was only one he and it referred to Q.

wil
wil
1 month ago

i do! and i thought that the fact i said first hand and hearsay in my comment that it would have been self evident.
you can’t argue with a dead kid getting a pop and candy.

Dave in Fairfax
Editor
Dave in Fairfax
1 month ago
Reply to  wil

No, but you can shoot his ass while he’s trying to kill you.

wil
wil
1 month ago

if i managed to follow you around asking why you were in a particular area to the point where you were defensive, even though you had every right to be there. would it be ok for me to shoot you dead?
you have no respect for life!

Dave in Fairfax
Editor
Dave in Fairfax
1 month ago
Reply to  wil

Wil, You are disingenuous and know nothing about me. If you follow me around I will confront you. Since I am NW it’s more likely to be the other way around. I routinely catch and hold punk ass people like you’re defending. Sometimes they’re armed. Sometimes they have friends. You have a choice, submit to evil or stand against it. My wife says that I shouldn’t be the cop of the world. I say, if not me, who? The good citizens around me won’t do more than peep out their windows, someone has to go into the street and face… Read more »

wil
wil
1 month ago

dont care! at some point will you win a stupid prize? there are laws, the same ones you hide behind to foster your silly views when they work in your advantage and if they don’t you disregard them in the name of your perverted sense of justice. police can’t even LEGALLY stop someone just because they “look out of place” so what in you makes you think you can. if you or the police want to observe, fine. if no crime has been committed move on.

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Knute
Knute
1 month ago
Reply to  wil

I don’t feed trolls… HOWEVER, I have to speak up here. “there are laws, the same ones you hide behind to foster your silly views when they work in your advantage and if they don’t you disregard them” YOU are the one doing this little wil, NOT Dave! You aren’t even the pot calling the kettle black, you’re the kettle calling the refrigerator black. YOU are guilty of exctly what you accuse him of. What a ridiculous troll! Full stop. I know you will now fly off into a spittle flinging rage. That’s fine. I will have no part of… Read more »

wil
wil
1 month ago
Reply to  Knute

dang dude, calm down…you are showing poor impulse control…none of this is that serious, it’s just talk!

RoyD
RoyD
1 month ago
Reply to  Knute

I find it amusing that you used the word “spittle” seeing that wil is a lickspittle for the BLM movement.

Knute
Knute
1 month ago
Reply to  RoyD

Well…. I WAS thinking of certain speeches made by a certain German gentleman in the 1930’s, but if the shoe fits…well, wil can try it on!
And, for another certain gentleman who thinks words are “just talk”… well, those 1930’s speeches were just talk too…. Up until they set the whole world on fire.

wil
wil
1 month ago
Reply to  Knute

And, for another certain gentleman who thinks words are “just talk”… well, those 1930’s speeches were just talk too…. Up until they set the whole world on fire

which category does trumps speech the day your lil insurrection FAILED fall into.

H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y…just to make it clear!

Knute
Knute
1 month ago
Reply to  wil

All Trump’s speeches fall into the same category as every other politician’s speeches: PURE BULLS**T!
MY “lil insurrection”??? LOL I have NEVER said one pro trump word here in his whole 4 years! Ever. Not one word, ever. I said lots of ‘trump is just an idiot stooge of the banksters’ comments, though. Just go back and look you H Y P O C R I T E!
🙂

wil
wil
1 month ago
Reply to  Knute

when people say “mankind” does that include women? so as much as I was talking to you, when I say “your” it means people that think like you. why don’t you calm down, put a reasonable argument together, present it, and if it’s challenged be prepared to defend it without trying to get personal and call people names. poor impulse control is a sign of inferior breeding (so your side says). you guys are just so angry. not sure you understand what hypocrisy means btw its like when a lil kid calls another kid a name and the other kids… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  wil

“why don’t you calm down, put a reasonable argument together, present it, and if it’s challenged be prepared to defend it without trying to get personal and call people names.”

Reminds me of a chorus my Texas friends might recognize:

Cause the pot can’t call the kettle black
Cause the train’s all runnin’ on the same ole track
Can’t feel nothing but your life flyin’ by
You got trouble on your hands, trouble on your mind

wil
wil
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

kinda goes like this…if you pluck me in the forehead, I’m going to kick you in the balls!

everything you need to know about how to get along you learned in kindergarten (in some of you older folks case, at a very young age) respect gets respect! it ain’t that hard to be a dick!

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  wil

I believe I was too subtle.

When confronted with unpleasant facts, you resorted to name-calling. Now you are upset at people calling other people names.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  wil

Reply on hold

wil
wil
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

do you see how I attacked your argument and not you personally?

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  wil

No – I see how you called me “ignorant” and the realities I pointed out to you were “stupid” and that I must have been taught things you believe are racist.

wil
wil
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

well I didn’t know you thought “ignorant” was a noun, its not look it up!
I have a right to say your comment was stupid IMO. I didn’t say you were stupid. quite frankly you were the only one here that made any arguments worth debating as much as I see them as incorrect.
find any instance of me throwing the first blow at ANYONE! like I said it ain’t that hard to be a dick!

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  wil

I couldn’t care less about name calling – I’ve been called much worse here than ignorant and it doesn’t phase me in the least.

Name-calling isn’t limited to nouns.

Certainly you have the right to say my point was stupid. The US has gone way too far in limiting speech. You abandoned the civil discussion when you became frustrated, which is your right.

wil
wil
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

we are all ignorant, it just depends on the subject. I’m ignorant of nuclear physics. im sure if you went back and looked from a different perspective you would see that I was saying you were ignorant of the subject we were talking about. you appear to have very strong opinions about communities you really know nothing about, I’ve lived in those communities. there are good people in those communities. I am a product of those communities. you are ignorant of those communities, and make blanket statements about those communities that are not based on facts. you appear unwilling to… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  wil

You keep saying, with absolute certainty, that I know nothing about those communities. You once referred to the East side of Chicago. I am quite certain I know more about the communities in Chicago than you.

There are many things the people in the high crime neighborhoods of Chicago can do to improve things for themselves and their children. The items I listed would all improve things significantly. You took offense.

wil
wil
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

I referenced the east side of Chicago as in my friend told me to stay east and north. trust me I know nothing about Chicago other than a few restaurants and hotels and a couple nightclubs, for me Chicago is great! what I think you don’t recognize is even in the worst of the worst of those communities by far the majority are good people in a bad circumstance. if I recall you had two sets of bullet points when I said something was stupid. one was a list of some pretty offensive statements. I don’t know if they were… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  wil

I fully understand there are good people in those neighborhoods. The micro-culture in those neighborhoods (created by x% of the people) reinforces behaviors that are dysfunctional. You never provided your view of how life in those neighborhoods could be improved. My view is that that if people (not all people) started making better decisions, life would be better. You have no idea of my background, yet you say definitively I know nothing about the subject matter. The data in those neighborhoods regarding the percent of children that grow up with no father in the household, the percent of people in… Read more »

wil
wil
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

as is anywhere, you choose to pick the metrics that suit your argument and can’t see it as a whole. Its impossible to see the entire picture on any level. . you act like you and other people like you don’t benefit from “the system” more and more often by far than other minoritized segments of the population. you say history doesn’t matter. and thats not saying you haven’t worked to get what you have, but the system is highly skewed in favor of some and not all. you say the rules are even now but the game has started long ago… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  wil

Still no recommendation on how life in those neighborhoods can be improved.

More assumptions about me.

The “system” was highly skewed against me.

wil
wil
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

more than once said “not you”. you are mostly choosing to assign those stereotypes to your self. if I did it it was for affect.

I don’t know where in life you are, but I imagine you are more than ok compared to most. so die like to hear how things worked against you?

first you (not you) need to identify the problem. a lot of the problems are caused by a lack of education, watching mainstream movies, not so good. everyone is not cut out to be a rocket scientist, teach other life sustaining skills?

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  wil

I have assigned no stereotypes to myself. You just made that up. Assumptions you made about me: “you choose to pick the metrics that suit your argument and can’t see it as a whole” I pick the metrics that quantify the problem and point directly at the cause of the problem. Why have you assumed I am not able to see it as a whole? “you act like you and other people like you don’t benefit from ‘the system'” – what am I like? How did I benefit from the system? You know almost nothing about me. “People like you” –… Read more »

Dave in Fairfax
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Dave in Fairfax
1 month ago
Reply to  wil

Wil, That was so incoherent that you have me curious. What don’t you care about? Where are you from since you don’t write in English properly? What laws, EXACTLY, are you talking about? What laws, EXACTLY, am I disregarding? What about my sense of justice is perverted? I don’t stop people for looking out of place I do it when they commit a crime. Perhaps you missed the part about the neighborhood burglaries stopping when he was planted. If I see someone who is out of place there is no reason for me to “move on”, there is more reason… Read more »

wil
wil
1 month ago

the police won’t get their in time, and unless the crime is committed under their noses won’t do anything about it now if i wanted to play grammar cop, i would give you a little something my 2nd grade teacher taught me. it went like this; if “they” can have an heir it’s “their”, if there isn’t here, it’s there, and if it’s “they are”, then it’s “they’re”. so the next time you want to be a hypocrite, check yourself first. my job isn’t educate you on laws regarding rights given to each and everyone of us. if you want… Read more »

wil
wil
1 month ago
Reply to  wil

lmfao!

Dave in Fairfax
Editor
Dave in Fairfax
1 month ago
Reply to  wil

Wil, You’ve restarted at incoherent and moved down from there. I didn’t misuse their and there. You still don’t use capitalization. It doesn’t cost any more, or didn’t your 2nd grade teacher mention that nicety.. You restated what I said about the police…not the way to refute my statement. You failed to answer ANY of my questions. You say it’s just talk, but it’s not. It’s also supposed to be useful discussion rather than just blowing smoke and trolling. If you don’t see the difference that says a lot about you. I’m not the hypocrite, and I understand the laws… Read more »

wil
wil
1 month ago

lets try this again…this time look for the quotes around their aka THERE. the police won’t get “their” in time, and unless the crime is committed under their noses won’t do anything about it try the 4th amendment (specifically) for starters. lets say cop patrolling 2am sees a store with the lights on and people inside when its normally closed (lets make them black people for the sake of drama) should the cop (a) go charging in, guns drawn and arrest everyone. (b) ignore what’s going on and continue patrol. (c) observe the situation to see if something nefarious is… Read more »

Dave in Fairfax
Editor
Dave in Fairfax
1 month ago
Reply to  wil

Wil, You are right. I got caught by my spellchecker when I typed too quickly. I +think+ that’s the only time. Pick a more appropriate strawman. We were talking about neighborhoods, not stores. If the policeman LIVES in the neighborhood and knows that none of the people live in the house and does not see any of the owners, he is absolutely right to observe the situation. If they are neighbors he could go so far as to call them and see if they know that people are in their house. Based on that the course of action should be… Read more »

Last edited 1 month ago by Dave in Fairfax
Knute
Knute
1 month ago

IMO, THE crucial factor in the Martin/Z case was someone almost never even mentioned. One Emmanuel Burgess, who looked a lot like TM and had previous arrests for burglaries in the area, who had also had Z call the police on him before for casing the area.IMO the most likely scenario was that Z thought Martin was Burgess, and determined to get him arrested once again. Unfortuantely for Z, Burgess was already in jail for a different offense in a different area, but Z has acknowledged being unaware of that. A simple case of mistaken identity, and it destroyed two… Read more »

wil
wil
1 month ago
Reply to  Knute

wow…why couldn’t you have said something like that to me instead of the whole troll thing.

willing to start over if you are. i’m not your enemy nor do I see you as mine.

Knute
Knute
1 month ago
Reply to  wil

Maybe because you’re a twat? 🙂
Seriously, you aren’t my enemy. I don’t have any enemies. There are people that CALL me their enemy… but that’s an error. I only have opponents. People on the opposite side of the chess board. You aren’t my enemy… but you are still on the other side of the game. You stand in opposition to everything I stand for.

wil
wil
1 month ago
Reply to  Knute

…lol

I’ll bet we have at least a few things and beliefs in common. I won’t disregard you, if you won’t disregard me.

I’ve said this before, I like shooting “guns”, would love to own a m3 Bradley with an operational turret. but maybe thats just me…lol

more than willing to respectfully discuss anything!

Dave in Fairfax
Editor
Dave in Fairfax
1 month ago
Reply to  Knute

Knute,

Thanks for the info, I didn’t know that. It’s another thread to the cloth and may explain a lot. It doesn’t give TM cover for doubling back and attacking Z, that may have more to do with either his personal behavior or the girl who had dumped him in favor of Z. Any way you look at it, it’s a tangled web and the ultimate cause was TM’s attack on Z.

Knute
Knute
1 month ago

De nada. Glad I could help. To me, TM’s motivation is not relevant, and not only because there is no way to know it. The attack occured, and I can’t see that it matters much whether it was due to simple fear of the unknown or a guilty conscience. Either way, attacking someone following you is unacceptable behavior. If it was because he WAS casing houses and feeling guilty… unacceptable. If it was because he was in terrible fear of what Z might do to him when he was caught… still unacceptable. One does not get to attack someone because… Read more »

wil
wil
1 month ago

i’m not the grammar police and really didn’t care that you wrote it that way, just wanted to point out your hypocrisy. but thanks for acknowledging the error, hope you won’t lose any sleep…lol the 4th amendment is intentionally vague as it applies to all situations. whether a store, a walk, or any other situation where a person can LEGALLY be. just because you (not personally you) don’t like where any one or group of people are, does not mean you can confront them, as long as they aren’t committing a crime. i’m not your enemy and I hope you… Read more »

Dave in Fairfax
Editor
Dave in Fairfax
1 month ago
Reply to  wil

Wil, You are plainly the grammar police since you have ignored every question I asked you and focused on a mistake I made. THAT is hypocrisy, you might want to look up the definition before you accuse others of it. You have repeatedly bleated about impulse control. This proves that you are a keyboard commando. If we were together and you thought that I had poor impulse control you would never dare to say so. You have misstated the sequence of events in the TM-Z case, as well referring to the as the 4th Amendment where it is not the… Read more »

wil
wil
1 month ago

…and it absolutely applies to this Martin case. if Zimmerman thought Martin was out to commit a crime but hadn’t, his course of action would be to observe, not confront.

Finnky
Finnky
1 month ago
Reply to  wil

Sounds like we are in agreement – the right course of action for George Zimmerman was to observe and report to police through dispatch, rather than confronting TM.

That is in fact what GZ was doing when TM circled back to attack him. GZ did not start the confrontation, TM did. TM then took steps to escalate from confrontation to physical assault and than attempted murder. Only at that point did GZ respond with the minimal force necessary to save his own life.

Since GZ followed the course you recommend, why do you persist in maligning him?

wil
wil
1 month ago
Reply to  Finnky

it’s not hard to argue with a dead kid. if in fact zimmerman only followed and did not engage or confront Martin, why would there be a need for Martin to circle back under any circumstances? what are the odds that two people walking in the same direction one of whom was on the phone with 911 about the other, and the other engaged heavily with an ex (deep conversation) should meet under any circumstances? why would Martin, just so happen to pick this one person who did nothing but observe to circle back and confront even if he were… Read more »

Dave in Fairfax
Editor
Dave in Fairfax
1 month ago
Reply to  wil

Wil,

That is exactly what he did. You are twisting the facts when you tell the story any other way. I am done with you. I hereby shun you. Others may choose their own actions.

winstsa
winstsa
1 month ago

I knew George Zimmerman was innocent after reading everything Massad Ayoob wrote about it in the “Backwoods Home” magazine(everyone should look those articles up and read them).
But when this guy(Joel Gilbert) called an AR15 a “Machine Gun”, I just about quit watching the video….. WOW, that’s as bad as it gets in MISINFORMATION………

Ansel Hazen
Ansel Hazen
1 month ago
Reply to  winstsa

Lol I just checked it out. Right next to a link to Massad’s columns was “how to woodchuck proof your garden!” I just might subscribe to this one.

gregs
gregs
1 month ago

anyone who was awake, not woke already knew george was only trying to defend himself against being killed by trayvon. the media lied from the get go, which is just what they do and the sjw’s piled on. i plan on picking up the dvd just to see what true journalism is. project veritas is another organization that practices journalism.

WI Patriot
WI Patriot
1 month ago
Reply to  gregs

Sadly, never…”freedom of the press” and all that…

Boomer
Boomer
1 month ago

Congrats to a real journalist. Big media is useless. Truth only comes from those that care. Lies come from those that have something to hide.