California – -(AmmoLand.com)- Lawful gun owners and potential new gun owners in California have long suffered from a clever but quite unconstitutional state law that essentially banned the sale of any handgun released for sale since early 2013.
The result is an unjustified limit on what guns law-abiding Californians can legally purchase. But thanks to a new lawsuit filed this week by California Rifle & Pistol Association, this blatant attack on “gun culture” could soon be but a bad memory.
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The case, which is filed as Boland v Bonta, seeks a declaratory judgment that the law violates the 2nd and 14th Amendments and asks the court to issue an injunction to halt enforcement immediately. If successful, this suit would invalidate the state’s approach and allow law-abiding Californians access to the latest firearms technology, as they should have had all along.
“Californians have long been held hostage under the state’s arbitrary determination of what is or is not a “safe handgun” while the rest of American enjoys the freedom to own commonly used firearms,” stated CRPA President & General Counsel Chuck Michel. “Today, CRPA moves to end those restrictions and restore freedom to Californians.”
The filing points out how many Americans are exercising their Second Amendment rights for purpose of self-defense in light of the “unsettling and increasingly commonplace failure and even unwillingness of the authorities to suppress civil unrest, respond to active threats, and maintain order.” Barring law-abiding citizens access to the latest in firearm technology limits the ability of those citizens to protect themselves, their families, and their property.
The filing also points out the innate contradictions of the law, which purports to increase gun safety but includes ONLY older weapons that do not meet the state’s criteria. Making a list of “safe” guns that fail the state’s own standards points up the hypocrisy of the law.
The historic NYSRPA v Bruen decision gives the Second Amendment community a giant HAMMER that we can wield in our court cases to turn back decades of laws that restrict YOUR fundamental rights. Donate today to help us in this fight!
ABOUT California Rifle & Pistol Association
The California Rifle & Pistol Association (CRPA), founded in 1875, is a nonprofit membership and donor-supported organization with tens of thousands of members throughout California. We need you!
The simple fact is that democratic controls states care little for the us constitution and admit that fact openly. The democratic party now has eyes on the supreme court which they desperately want total control over. The leaders of the democratic party have even gone as far as to threaten the members of the court. Guns are the talking point they always are when the democrats have big political loses stacking up. Slow Joe Biden is now being upstaged by want to be President Pelosi in Asia. The media news cycle is Nancy Nancy Nancy how brave she is against… Read more »
william howard graft
So which marxist socialist, do you think, will try to cheat their way to the presidency in 2024?
So that is why the Fat Boy Institute is pulling this phoney raid to make Trump look bad or ineligible for office?
So the question is this: why have we waited so long to file on this particular piece of Jim Crow legislation when it has obviously been an arbitrary and unsubstantiated infringement on the free exercise of a natural right? I don’t mean to be critical, and I speak as a Life Member of CRPA who became one while stationed in California. I give credit (and donations) where due and love your organization. But this hang fire has been going on for far too long. When I was stationed in California law enforcement agencies and other government agencies of CA came… Read more »
It has taken a ruling shooting down 9th circuit courts public”good” bs two or three step process
Yes, and expense, too.
it does no good to take something to court when the courts are as corrupt as the police
It’s my understanding CRPA has been waiting for the Bruen decision to file. It forces the courts to overturn the unconstitutional law or suffer the wrath of more Thomas opinions that will result in even more unconstitutional laws being eliminated. The Bruen decision has very long reaching implications to shut down stupid Liberal Gun laws in CA, NY, and NJ. The TX case I think it’s Paxton v Richardson (ATF). This could rescind the NFA and GCA of 68. We should have Militia protecting the 6 Justices. We can’t trust the feds to do it. Victor Davis Hanson on Tucker… Read more »
Chip these illegal policies one at a time, just as they try to do to our RTKBA.
But California has history on it’s side. After all, the colonists were not allowed to own cannons. (Sarcasm.)
mortars yes bombs yes explosives yes strictly speaking cannons at breeds hill were stolen from government so we should be able to take from government stockpile
Yes, denying assets to the enemy is not stealing.
Tolerance will reach such a level that intelligent people will be banned from thinking so as not to offend the imbeciles.
Dostoevsky
I’m thinking better late than never ? Shouldn’t this had been dealt with long ago ? Maybe the fight wouldn’t be so hard now ?
The California Rifle & Pistol Association (CRPA), founded in 1875, is a nonprofit membership and donor-supported organization with tens of thousands of members throughout California.
And WHERE are they at on this matter? I’m not finding ANY response from them.
Did you look hard? Did you give it your best shot? Would you say you’re IQ is about average for the demographic with which you identify? Do you believe the inappropriate use of capital letters gives your view more credence? Would you like to know the answer to your question? Regarding the substance of the legislation, the people who encouraged it, the people who ensured they were exempt from it, and the people who profited from it, what do you think of the Marine veterans working as enforcers in California who arrest people for violating… Read more »
WTF are you talking about? I am referring to the CRPA members and where is their structured support and financial backing of the hierarchy that are waging this battle against the State of California? And YES! Since the dawn of all this damn texting CAPITAL LETTERS COMES IN AS A WAY OF COMMUNICATING IN VARIOUS FORMS! As for the Marine Cops that were / are doing their jobs? Those that feel they have been accosted or improperly treated always have the avenue of a lawsuit or tort claim against those that accosted them. I was accosted, I stood my ground… Read more »
You had asked where the CRPA is at on this matter. You indicated you couldn’t find any response from them. Now you have now gone off in some other direction. You once again turned the argument away from the tyrant and put the burden on the victims. You’ve done this many times. My question was about the Marine veterans who work as enforcers for various law enforcement organizations in the state of California. Some enforcers in those organizations have abused their authority. Some arrest people for violating gun laws. They are exempt from those gun laws in most cases, and in this case, profit… Read more »
When federales need a thug, psycho-sociopathic moron or patsy, it’s usually a Marine. Latest e.g.: Ray Epps. No accident (La)Pierre’s toothless Cali bagboy’s nickname is “Pol Pain” & his Secretary was Jim Land.
“… it’s usually a Marine.”? Isn’t that the kind of information that only a federale insider would have or is that just hyperbole?
Ray Epps, Lee Harvey, Pol Pain, long list. Sometimes they tap the Army for murderers too e.g. Lon Horiuchi
Two out of millions and millions of former soldiers and Marines out there does not come up to usually.
If anything, it would appear that it’s mostly the Marines that are giving reason for Law Enforcement to defend the citizenry… Lee Harvey, Charles Whitman, however, the Marine Corps IS trained to join with law enforcement on active shooter
situations.
https://www.ready.marines.mil/Stay-Informed/Terrorism-and-Active-Shooter/Active-Shooter/
Sure it does. Don’t pretend you don’t know I didn’t say Marines usually become Ray Eppses. I said when federales need a patsy, bag man, provocateur or murderer, it’s usually a Marine. Sometimes Army, like Officer Lon Horiuchi.
Are you implying that there is something wrong in the character of the men and women that join the Marine Corps?
That would be hyperbole.
Holy crap? ALL of THIS diatribe out of a simple question? ( Where the CRPA is at on this matter) I DON’T KNOW and have found NO INDICATION AS TO… And I still do not know where the CRPA members stand on this issue, SO I ASKED! You couldn’t have just answered a simple question rather than going all jackass on me?
Are you off your meds?
I didn’t turn anything around. You’re the one calling all LEO’s “enforcers” and making all your bias statements at will. I just speak outward and in generalizations.It’s not my fault you can’t hear or understand the enunciation of my texts. As for Veterans that work as law enforcement agencies ANYWHERE, unless it is indicated on their uniforms indicating they are a Veteran, how is anyone supposed to tell? MOST common people look at the uniform and if the see a police badge, the most likely understand and believe thare are POLICE OFFICERS and the word Veteran never enters into their… Read more »
A frequent Ammoland poster who is an ex-enforcer indicated there is nothing derogatory about the term “enforcer” because that’s what they do – enforce.
What do you think about Marine veterans working as enforcers in California who arrest people for violating gun laws that don’t apply to them? Do you think those Marine veterans violated their “oaths?”
Just because one person wrote that the term enforcer is not derogatory, does not mean that it is not. You can not prove your premise by the alleged opinion of one other person.
I think that you chose that term and use that term because you know of its negative connotations.
Are there any Marine veterans working as “enforcers”? I know of no such occupation.
“A frequent Ammoland poster” whom at this time will remain anonymous because you have problems with providing facts and evidence. Don’t you have a house full of cats that you have to go bath or something to better occupy your time?
Ope (Will/TEX/et al.) indicated the term “enforcer” was not derogatory since that’s what they do, enforce.
I spent the last three days in the great outdoors – no cats.
How did your border “operations” go?
The border interdiction operations have been ongoing for well into the 11th year and they are doing just fine.
I was asking in regards to FACTS AND FIGURES of what and where the CRPA is in this battle. For God’s sakes, THEY wrote the damn article. Don’t you find it a little strange that this type of information might lend to their aid in gathering members, getting donors, collecting the necessary legal funds to move forward? And no, I don’t have the time in one day to read and respond to all your bickering, I tossed a wife and a couple of dates out for doing this very sort of thing. My life doesn’t evolve around you nor could… Read more »
I see.
“you’re IQ”
LOL
That was my error – he was just quoting.
Fair is fair! There’s a reason for QUOTATION MARKS.
Have you noticed how USMC0351Grunt stomps around barking at people? Have you noticed him stating that all non-veterans are spineless? Have you noticed his many other remarks about all non-veterans? He does a disservice to all veterans when he makes those comments. Do you think his comments help veterans who are running for office? Do you think his comments help people trying to raise money for the many veteran charities? You, like a few others, see only those uncivil comments you want to see. FYI, I know and associate with veterans in real life, but there may be people who read Ammoland… Read more »
Response on hold. Here it is with a minor edit. Have you noticed how USMC0351Grunt stomps around barking at people? Have you noticed him stating that all non-veterans are spineless? Have you noticed his many other remarks about all non-veterans? He does a disservice to all veterans when he makes those comments. Do you think his comments help veterans who are running for office? Do you think his comments help people trying to raise money for the many veteran charities? You, like a few others, see only those uncivil comments you want to see. FYI, I know and associate with veterans in… Read more »
He made excuses for these MFs.
The attitude that all veterans are good and all people who were never in the military are cowards is harmful to veteran causes.
USMC0351Grunt never responded to my comments on Petraeus and McChrystal.
Well? Forgive the holy hell out of me? I wasn’t aware that responding to your every question was such an integral part of my daily schedule? I will have to fire that idiot that does my morning roster and hire somebody that actually gives a damn?
And by all means, please, point out ANYWHERE that I made statements such as; “all veterans are good and all people who were never in the military are cowards.”
USMC0351Grunt:
“THAT will only occur when the apathetic amongst us rise up off their complacent asses and begin to dictate to our “representatives” and then hold their feet to the fire or IMMEDIATELY oust them rather than playing pussy-pity games like, “waiting to vote them out of office”. We are a nation that has lost our backbone, Veterans excluded.”
https://www.ammoland.com/2022/08/leaked-documents-show-fbis-militia-violent-extremist-is-you/comment-page-1/#comments
And? I know through experience and for a fact that the veterans have already performed above and beyond a duty to this nation in preserving the very freedom and liberty that many of the entitled, (civilians) freely squander or destroy as they have no sense of the value of what they are destroying. I sit in court rooms and witness civilians (Openly admitted to the courts of never having served in the armed forces.) time and again that they neither care about nor could give a damn about “waiving any rights” before sentencing or court considerations as they have no… Read more »
Give me an exact breakdown as to just how many entitled “civilians” freely squander or destroy their freedom. I want to see the numbers of what you are indicating here. Provide the names.
[Do you see how dumb your argument looks when that line of thinking is played back to argue against your position?]
This is looking like you are indicating me when you made this statement and I would really like you to clarify on your statement. What “excuses” and I making and for whom?
Nope, I have not noticed that. In any event he has the Right to express his opinions in a descent manner.
I am pretty sure that his comments will not effect anyone’s campaign for national office. I could be wrong.
As to the military veterans that have put volunteered or were drafted to put their lives on the alter for our freedom, I think that I can allow them the rebuttable presumption of courage, sacrifice, and love of country, as opposed to those that do not serve.
I am so sorry that you were brought into this. Semper Fi, MAC!
It needed to be said.
Yes, we are all guests on this site. The choice to be guest courteous is up to each of us. To continue being a guest is up to Freddy.
Give me an exact breakdown as to just how many Marine Veterans are working in the state of California as law enforcement officers. I want to see the numbers of what you are indicating here. I have yet to see ANY breakdown regarding these figures and you appear to have your finger on the pulse of this information, so please, share!
An exact breakdown is not required and I have indicated that I have an exact breakdown. There are a lot of veterans in law enforcement.
“Today just 6 percent of the population at large has served in the military, but 19 percent of police officers are veterans, according to an analysis of U.S. Census data performed by Gregory B. Lewis and Rahul Pathak of Georgia State University for The Marshall Project.”
https://www.themarshallproject.org/2017/03/30/when-warriors-put-on-the-badge
Response went on hold. Let me try it this way.
An exact breakdown is not required and I have indicated that I have an exact breakdown. There are a lot of veterans in law enforcement.
“Today just 6 percent of the population at large has served in the military, but 19 percent of police officers are veterans, according to an analysis of U.S. Census data performed by Gregory B. Lewis and Rahul Pathak of Georgia State University for The Marshall Project.”
Tried twice to respond, but they both went on hold.
An exact breakdown is not required and I have not indicated that I have an exact breakdown. There are a lot of veterans in law enforcement.
“Today just 6 percent of the population at large has served in the military, but 19 percent of police officers are veterans, according to an analysis of U.S. Census data performed by Gregory B. Lewis and Rahul Pathak of Georgia State University for The Marshall Project.”
https://www.themarshallproject.org/2017/03/30/when-warriors-put-on-the-badge
No, this vague, generalized data concerns police officers. You stated “enforcers”.
The data is vague, and therefore weak evidence, because it may or may not involve statistics from California.
And? of these, “enforcers” as you call them are Marines or veterans on the police forces in California have performed any acts outside their oaths against the citizens?
North Hollywood shootout – Wikipedia
Then again, in THIS instance, “they” (civilians) drew first blood! In THIS situation if I were a civilian turned cop, I’d pray to God that I had Marines or Veterans on MY side!
Or this one…
https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/fatal-firefight-in-miami
I can go on if you wish?
“I can go on if you wish?” ~ USMC0351Grunt
Sure – have at it.
Matix was a U.S. Marine Corp veteran.
Platt was a U.S. Army veteran.
Neither were police. So what are you using them as evidence of?
BTW, both were police.
After being employed by the U.S. Marine Corps, the violent criminal Matix joined the U.S. Army and was employed by the military police, as was Platt (the other violent criminal).
No, they were MPs. That is different from civilian police. MPs are more like the palace guard in that their range of authority and techniques are broader, they are less constrained individual rights concepts, and they are also combat troops when they need to be.
Why don’t you continue with your examples of veterans who committed crimes?
Ian David Long was a Marine and did some work in Afghanistan.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/marine-combat-veteran-kills-12-in-rampage-at-california-bar
I believe I just asked you to point out to me, “which ones” of your, “enforcers” are Marines or veterans? If you were to bring any of this dialogue into a court of law the judge would most likely have you tossed into jail for contempt of court on your second try at trying to present ANY of this stuff in his/her court.
“I believe I just asked you to point out to me, ‘which ones’ of your, ‘enforcers’ are Marines or veterans?” ~ USMC0351Grunt
Do you believe no California enforcers were previously employees of the U.S. Marine Corps?
Do you believe California enforcers don’t enforce gun laws?
I have absolutely no idea. I’m not going to make assumptions about something like that. Why don’t you grab a pad of paper and a pencil and go around to all the “enforcer” departments and take a poll so you have facts and figures that you can present?
“I have absolutely no idea. I’m not going to make assumptions about something like that.” ~ USMC0351Grunt
You have absolutely no idea about whether there are any Marine veterans employed by California law enforcement agencies.
You have absolutely no idea about whether California “law enforcement officers” enforce gun laws.
Ok.
The California Highway Patrol has a program to recruit veterans.
Members of the California Highway Patrol were the ones who interrogated an elderly woman who just wanted to be left alone during Katrina. After demanding that she retrieve an old revolver (that she disclosed she owned during the interrogation), they beat her.
https://www.chp.ca.gov/chp-careers/officer/military-recruiting
Was it a successful recruiting program?
Hurricane Katrina was a large and destructive Category 5 Atlantic hurricane that caused over 1,800 fatalities and $125 billion in damage in late August 2005, especially in the city of New Orleans.
Which ones of the Cresent City PD were Marines?
AGAIN, which ones were Marines? Which ones were veterans?
Again (should I have capitalized the entire word?), I have already indicated government employees do not provide detailed information on government employees as it relates to enforcers and enforcement actions.
If you believe people who used to be employees of the U.S. Marine Corp are not enforcing gun laws in California, consider the hypothetical:
If a Marine veteran working as an enforcer in California arrested someone for violating gun laws that don’t apply to him/her, do you think that Marine veteran violated his/her “oath?”
The LAPD has a program to recruit veterans.
Members of the LAPD were the ones who recklessly fired over 100 rounds at newspaper delivery ladies (hitting one of them twice) while they were looking for an ex-enforcer gone bad. Surprisingly, the government investigated itself and found no wrongdoing. None of the gunmen were punished.
Members of the LAPD were also the ones who followed orders to retreat and leave “civilians” to fend for themselves during the Rodney King riots.
https://www.joinlapd.com/military
I was there, during the riots. when LAPD did that retreat. It was prudent, at that moment. Those cops would have been swarmed by the mass of people and killed. There was a huge number of rioters fixing to surround them.
“Awaiting for approval” for no rational reason.
No. I was there too. LAPD could’ve honored the oath, nipped it in the bud, and there never would’ve swarms. Gun grabber Police Chief Darryl Gates wanted to teach the city council a lesson, so he let the city be wrecked.
As I recall there was not time for all that game playing. This incident was about to engulf this cops … in the next few seconds. Even Custer would have withdrawn.
There may have been game playing in the following weeks, but not in that moment.
If you were talking about the skirmishes that were taking place in the late 70’s, we in the 7th Marines were rehearsing riot duty to be deployed to L.A. in defense of local authorities. However, I believe I requested facts and evidence and not supposition and heresy?
I believe I requested your response to these questions:
What do you think about Marine veterans working as enforcers in California who arrest people for violating gun laws that don’t apply to them? Do you think those Marine veterans violated their “oaths?”
You have given me absoluty no facts or evidence to prove that this even occurred or does occur. This holds no more value than a college kid giving his thesis from memory while on an acid trip.
Law enforcement organizations hire a lot of veterans.
People who were employed in the U.S. Marine Corps are significant percentage of veterans.
There are a lot of people employed in California as enforcers.
California has a lot of gun laws.
Those gun laws are enforced.
If you want to believe Marine veterans have not been enforcing California gun laws because the government does not disclose detailed information on enforcers and enforcement actions, I believe Wild Bill will “allow it.”
No, the Rodney King riots occurred in 1992.
It was one of a series of events in the 1990s that gave good people reasons to distrust federal, state, county, and city/town armed government employees.
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-north-hollywood-shootout-revisited-20170223-htmlstory.html
On THIS one, the “civilians” were running and ducking BEHIND the, “enforcers” for protection from being murdered by an, “Army Reserve Afghanistan Veteran.” Again, HE, (The veteran drew first blood)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers
Should I go on?
And? Which ones of these LAPD were Marines? Did you get their names?
Do you believe none of the heavily armed LAPD who followed orders to leave “civilians” to defend themselves (so the LAPD could go guard wealth neighborhoods that were not experiencing any violence) were never employees of the U.S. Marine Corps?
Going back to the original question, if, hypothetically, a Marine veteran working as an enforcer in California arrested someone for violating gun laws that don’t apply to him/her, do you think that Marine veteran violated his/her “oath?”
I read the material at links that you provided. None of the organizations were recruiting “enforcers”.
CRPA, the article would have been more informative if you had mentioned: California LEOs are exempt from this law – they can purchase personal off-roster handguns; California LEOs are exempt from this law – they can sell off-roster handguns to mere “civilians” (something heavily regulated FFLs are not allowed to do); The profit California LEOs make on selling off-roster handguns is large due to government interference with a free market (the handguns demand a premium because the government made them illegal for “civilians” to purchase from FFLs); Who advocated/supported the passing of this law; Who ensured LEOs were exempt from… Read more »
Michel is a former prosecutor who helped California gun owners “do the right thing” and turn in their “Assault Rifles” after the Roos-Robert ban.
The lawsuit contains the facts that many people in the government are exempt from the law: Under the UHA, a handgun cannot lawfully be sold in the primary market to ordinary civilians if it meets the definition of an “unsafe” handgun. CAL.PENAL CODE §§ 32000 & 31910 (Deering 2022). A handgun is “unsafe” if it lacks certain features. This prohibition does not apply to law enforcement, nor to an ever-expanding list of other quasi-law enforcement type government agency personnel such as the Department of Motor Vehicles, harbor or port districts, and the investigation division of the Department of Consumer Affairs.… Read more »
As I wrote, the article does not mention the things I listed. It is common in California for enforcers to take advantage of the law they encouraged (the law they made sure did not apply to them) in order to make a quick buck. They didn’t design the guns, manufacture the guns, or invest in any of the infrastructure that people in the business of selling guns make, but they made a higher profit than any of those businesspeople (who risked their capital) because they abused their authority. Those same JBTs arrest people for not obeying gun laws. Dean, look… Read more »
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