NY Bans Off-Duty Cops From Carrying Firearms At The State Fair

New York City: On The Verge Of Meltdown - Part 4
A recently changed New York State Fair policy will ban off-duty police officers from carrying concealed firearms.  IMG iStock-1155292721

SYRACUSE, N.Y. -(Ammoland.com)- A recently changed New York State Fair policy will ban off-duty police officers from carrying concealed firearms.

The Department of Agriculture and Markets operates the State Fair. The state agency sent a memo to all police departments through the New York State Police Troop D Commander Major Michael TenEyck stating that off-duty cops must leave their guns at home if they plan on visiting the Fair. The New York State Fair runs from August 24 to September 5 in Syracuse. This ban is the first time in the Fair’s 181-year history that only police officers assigned to the Fair will be permitted to carry guns.

The Department of Agriculture and Markets did not consult with any police agencies before enacting the new prohibition on firearms. The Department also did not expand on why a new policy was needed at the State Fair. Many police officers in New York believe it to be a slap in the face to officers that put their lives on the line every day for citizens of the Empire State.

“I don’t go anywhere without my gun,” One New York Police Department member told AmmoLand News on condition of anonymity. “This is a slap in the face to cops everywhere. Do we become magically dangerous with guns once we are off duty? You would think they would want more cops with guns, not less. You are making a soft target, softer.”

Off-duty officers have stopped many crimes and mass attacks in the past. Just last month in Queens, New York, off-duty Correction Officer David Donegan shot and killed a man pointing a gun at a crowd of people. New York City Mayor Eric Adams hailed Donegan as a hero for saving the lives of his fellow New Yorkers. Under the Fair’s new rules, Officer Donegan would be disarmed. Other off-duty officers have stopped shootings and other crimes across the country.

Governor Kathy Hochul’s office is not saying how much input it had on the new rule. Governor Hochul has led a crusade against gun rights since the state lost the Supreme Court landmark case, New York Pistol Rifle Association v. Bruen, last June. The Governor championed The Concealed Carry Improvement Act (CCIA,) which is currently being challenged in federal court by Gun Owners of America (GOA). If the challenge fails, then the new law will go into effect on September 1, making most of the state off limits to carrying concealed firearms.

Banning firearms from the New York State Fair might also be ripe for a legal challenge. Bruen stated that certain areas could be considered “sensitive” and enact a ban, but that designation should be used sparingly. Thomas wrote that just because a place is where people gather is not enough to be designated as “sensitive.” It appears that the Department of Agriculture and Markets ignored the Bruen decision and designated the entire State Fair as a “sensitive area” not only for average citizens but also for off-duty cops.

The Department of Agriculture and Markets did not respond to AmmoLand’s request for comment.


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Matt in Oklahoma

Y’all voted it now ya got it

MikeTX

I’m trying real hard to give a hoot about the NY cops being told “No guns for you!!”…………eh, I just can’t get there. Now they get a dose of what The People have been enduring for decades.

JimQ

you’re absolutely right. Let these folks walk a mile in the shoes of the average citizenry. Maybe they’ll smarten up and support us for a change.

Patriot Solutions

Says who they work for right on their badges in plain sight most of the time and that aint us.

Ledesma

Ever since the first city police force [Keystone Cops] went on duty in NYC late 1800s, the anti-US2A crusade began! With the spiffy new NYC force not as reinforcement for the US2A, but as its replacement. Note: When the NYC mugging epidemic exploded 100 years ago, the strong simply took from the weak. And like now, NYC police offered no viable solution to it. And city residents paid a horrendous price for years. Then suddenly, the new automatic knife technology became the answer. A flashy new breakthrough device nicknamed by adversaries: The dreadful “switchblade”. The weapon became a defensive marvel… Read more »

Bubba

CQC-8 from Ernie Emerson.
Fastest opening knife on the planet.
And it’s a manual open knife.
Every 2A Man or woman should have one.
Saved my ass a few times.

Stag

“Many police officers in New York believe it to be a slap in the face…”

Funny how mad they get when they don’t get their little exemption from the rules that everyone else is expected to follow.

swmft

they should get a slap in the face for ever enforcing the unconstitutional bs like they have been doing

Stag

That would be a good start. Then put on trial for violation of rights.

Ope

This ridiculous ruling will easily be overturned . Do these people just stay stuck on stupid ?

Grigori

I hope you are right, but I wouldn’t bet the farm on it.

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Patriot Solutions

He doesn’t really have a farm, he just lies.

3%er

Gregori, LE will easily prevail in this because it’s not enforceable. The fact their off duty means nothing because they are cops 24/7, even in civies. LE will come out on top again, they always do !

Russn8r

Yep. LE will come out on top of the subjects. They always do!

MICHAELANGELO

Nobody listens to anything you dumb A*S has to say.

Russn8r

YesSir Officer OpeTEX, how DARE they subject cops to the same laws as peasants!

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MICHAELANGELO

STUPID DUMMY!!

Grigori

I hope this years NY State Fair has the lowest attendance and highest number of violent incidents ever. Ideally, any citizen, or at least citizens with CWP could be armed at these events, also. That said, it is New York. If I were attending and couldn’t be armed, I would feel better if off-duty cops in attendance were.

Ledesma

Guns have to go! State fairs are favorite spots for black mob rampages. And NY liberals want to be sure these fine folks are free to kick us to death without being bothered by gunfire.

uncle dudley

Just another reason for cops to leave the state of New York for a friendly state.

Ope

@Irontiger Dudley, This nonsense will never survive the legal challenge coming. Police are really never off duty, you’re a cop 24/7. When off duty you still have power to arrest, carry a badge, gun, and uphold law. I’ve been retired for several years but still carry my badge, old dept. ID, and firearm. Plus, LE discounts are still available to me on almost everything just like the good old days. Unlike NY,LE in TEXAS is still respected, and merchants and businesses give you respect through discounts and free stuff. (esp.donuts lol). I agree, they should move to a gun friendly,… Read more »

Stag

Why? Those government thugs have been enforcing these unconstitutional laws on the other citizens of NY for decades. It’s only fair they be forced to live under the same laws they expect everyone else to follow. I sure as hell don’t want those tyrants moving to my state.

Stag

I’m not sure what that means. Would you clarify, please?

Russn8r

Wild Bill’s good buddy Ope & his 20-mule-team sock posse’s trying to drive you away from Ammoland. They don’t think cops & troops should accountable.

Boom

I don’t think there’s a such thing as a “drug marine”.

And the troops ARE held accountable, if US troops were to do to any random Iraqi, Afghani, Djiboutian –and been caught; the same things that US civil law enforcement agents do to American citizens, on a daily basis….we would have spent the rest of our lives in federal prison.

Russn8r

Nice fairy tale, Boom. None of these troops were held accountable.

Wild Bill

Most civilians and many service members do not realize that everywhere U.S. forces go, they establish Regional Correctional Facilities, run by MPs, for those service members that “misbehave”. The UCMJ goes where ever US forces go.

MICHAELANGELO

Stupid Dummy!!

Russn8r

“Stag, just disregard that comment.”OpeTEX

What, not going to delete & RUN AWAY from your vile smear as you so often to?

MICHAELANGELO

RETARD!!

swmft

and the scum bucket deleted his post

Russn8r

Yep.

MICHAELANGELO

SUPER DUMB & DUMBER!!

Ope

I delete posts all the time on this site. Ammoland provides us all the option to delete posts if that’s what we prefer to do, and many others here do the same. I’m just really curious how this is any of your damn business anyway ? Stag doesn’t seem to have a problem with it why the hell would you ? I don’t recall you even being mentioned in any of this.

Russn8r

I delete posts all the time. How is it any of your damn business?” -Ope

The way of the chickenS scumbucket troll. You also run a sock-puppet LEO posse to Opevote yourself & DV those you’re too dumb to address rationally.

You’re the only dude on Ammoland who S-posts then quickly deletes & RUNS AWAY like a coward. Are you drunk when you do it? It’s weird. Only others I’ve seen do that are your sock puppets, like TEX.

If you don’t do your lame Only One posts in the 1st place, Officer, you won’t have to delete them.

Oldman

You are sick Clark Kent. Take off your glasses and become the superhero we all Love. I, for one need you to lead me to where I NEED to go..I can’t live without you, Reallly. found that plastic bag yet?

Russn8r

Whassup, OFFICER Superman? Opevoting your own menopausal comments again?

“Stag,still fighting mental health ?”
-OpeTEXBruceWillFordWill…

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Lakefoot

What part of this comment relates to the above article?

Russn8r

What part of his or yours or Officer Ope’s does?

Last edited 1 month ago by Russn8r
MICHAELANGELO

You Big Dummy!!

MICHAELANGELO

Dumb & Dumber

MICHAELANGELO

Big Dummy

Russn8r

Wayne’s under-desk Hoover can’t get enough of my ankles. Mikey & Ope are lovers now.

Russn8r

Stag,still fighting mental health ?” -OpeTEXBruceWillFordWill…

ChickenS LEO sock puppet troll says “mental health”. Still hating on anyone who wants to hold cops accountable for enforcing unconscionable laws & orders. Thinks the cop who machine-gunned Daniel Shaver did the right thing.

MICHAELANGELO

You are the dumbest retard

Ledesma

You’re right. Police have been in this disarm America crusade from the beginning! Liberals weren’t even born yet. The US2A was written for traffic cops. Not Americans. So next time you surrender “assault weapons” or submit to the new “extended” background check a hundred more times, you know exactly who to thank!

swmft

na let the idiots live in the swill they helped create

WeWereWarned

Sir, the socialist enforcers in that state are the kind of evil people those of us outside of that state own guns to keep away from our families and Liberty. They are who the 2nd Amendment is meant to say no to with force, or is it normal to you to let a socialist enforcer endanger your family and yourself because you exercise your right to carry a gun. They gladly just followed orders and endangered the Citizens of that state by enforcing unconstitutional gun laws. Out West, stop and frisk is like antiWhite riots, it is not safe to… Read more »

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HLB

“I don’t go anywhere without my gun,” One New York Police Department member told AmmoLand News on condition of anonymity”.

I don’t either.

HLB

Russn8r

Airports? Commercial flights? Schools? Police stations? Federal buildings?

Ope

I don’t live in a “gun free zone” world. I’m always armed,always. (Legally too)

Russn8r

Officer OpeTEX pretends to be just one of us, not an Only One with special cop privileges, then Opevotes himself with his sock posse.

Ope

I’m armed and carry everywhere I go too. Gun free zones don’t exist in my world.

Russn8r

I’m armed and carry everywhere I go too. Gun free zones don’t exist in my world.” OFFICER OpeTEX

How about disclosing that “your world” is the world of a COP with a BADGE?

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Russn8r

Funny how Officer OpeTEX & HLB pretend they’re one of us, with no special cop privileges!

Wild Bill

Returning to our gentlemen’s agreement will have to include them, of course.

Russn8r

Bullshit. You know God-damned well your buddy Officer Ope runs a dozen or more phony sock puppet accounts, trolls me and others, downvotes us and upvotes himself and you like a weirdo. No accord applies to that chickenshit deceptive cowardly behavior. Downvoting with sock pups is an instant violation.

BTW, you’re admitting you’re part of a locals-only gang right here.

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Wild Bill

I wrote “them” because they are the ones that you insult, but I should have wrote everyone. My mistake.

Russn8r

Can you ever stop lying for your toadies?

Wild Bill

Personal attacks and insulting is no way to work our a “No insulting and personal attacking gentleman’s agreement”

Ope

Bill,what you’re seeing with Roosky and the above comment from it,is diagnosed but untreated insanity.

Wild Bill

I notice that not one commenter has spoken up for him. I’ll give it a little more time.

Ope

Bill, the number of his imaginary sock puppet accounts vary from hour to hour.usually 5,12, or 20. I guess it depends on how fast the air is going through his head.

Russn8r

Everyone on AL knows you run socks. Why don’t YOU tell us how many you run, Ope-TEX-Will-Bruce-FordWill etc?

Wild Bill

Why would he need to if his “telling” is something that everyone already knows?

The fact is that it is only your unsupported allegation.

How could you know what “Everyone on AL knows…”?

So much illogic in one short sentence.

Ope

Lmfao

Ope

Bill, I’ve known you for nine years here on Ammoland. When I first came to this site everyone got along real well for the most part, and there were never insults and vulgarities involved. I had some pretty heated issue related exchanges with Rev, but even we had a way of disagreeing civilly. People not agreeing on everything can be expected on a site like Ammoland, and we all have different perspectives on certain issues that won’t be swayed. There should not be gentlemen agreements or truces required on this site for grown men/women to be act respectfully to one… Read more »

Wild Bill

All true, but this one appears to enjoy bringing hate and disrespect to the site. I’m thinking that if this one could manage to control himself with one then he could manage to control himself with others, and that is the point of my effort. I could be wrong.

Ope

Bill, I’ve just found it all around better to completely ignore it. I personally wouldn’t waste any more of your time and energy with it. But you do whatever you think is right brother.

Russn8r

Funny. How you “ignore” it, Ope-TEX & Bill, is to continuously troll & smear me with vile lies & ad hominem. But if I defend myself, it’s “disrespectful” etc.

Face it, you can’t get enough of me. You’re always on my jock like you’re gay for me or something.

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Wild Bill

A sound policy.

Russn8r

More hypocrisy, projection, lies. Keep snapping at my ankles like a menopausal poodle, Bill.

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gregs

the first comment by that ny cop is what we have been saying all along, you would think that we would like more concealed carrying law-abiding citizens than less. how many citizens have stopped mass shootings? quite a few.
hopefully the us against them mentality of leo’s, (if you are not wearing a badge and uniform you are automatically a suspect) will soften towards citizens carrying firearms because now they are in the them category.
they are making our point for us on concealed carry.

WeWereWarned

He is not talking about us armed Citizens being able to carry, since he is a socialist enforcer in New York. A Citizen can’t go anywhere with their gun, because of folks like him, who would harm them for exercising their rights. He gladly just follows orders to endanger the Citizens with enforcing that states unconstitutional gun laws. The people have to fear the socialist cops hurting them for carrying more than the crazy people, they should be carrying a gun to keep away from them. He was just mad that he didn’t get to have more rights than us… Read more »

swmft

they are finding out they are not part of the club…just whipping boys….wounder if they are smart enough to revolt ….doubt it they want to be included

PistolGrip44

IQ of 55 or less to become a squealing pig cop, so very doubtful.

Russn8r

Squealer “Ope” aka TEX-Bruce-Will-FordWill and a dozen other fake accounts didn’t like that comment!

swmft

how many have been arrested ,for doing the right thing…because the woke pos establishment people were un happy with that

nrringlee

I have had lots of cop friends over the years. I can count on one hand those who I would consider to be principled Constitutional Conservatives. Many have a very utilitarian view toward law and rights. This was a source of very confused thinking on their parts and some very heated arguments over issues such as concealed carry. The best way to reverse that thinking is the “Gored Oxen” test. If the other guy’s ox gets gored, no worries. When your ox gets gored, change in thinking. In New Left Progressive utopias like NY,MJ, MA, CT, RI, IL, MN, Or,… Read more »

Bubba

Semper Fi.

This is exactly what allowed the Borderline (Thousand Oaks, CA) shooting to happen.

The left wants these situations to present themselves. The higher the body count the more airtime and anti gun rhetoric they give it.

Until reality is brought back to our republic. We are F’d
If you want to know how screwed we are watch 19Aug2022 Fox interview Pete Hegseth did on Primerime at about 23 minutes in. This is how stupid the young people of 2022 are.

https://www.google.com/search?q=fox+new+friday+august+19+pete&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS646US649&hl=en-US&prmd=nisv&source=lnms&tbm=vid&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi37c6F39r5AhVTC0QIHTaKB30Q_AUoBHoECAIQBA&biw=428&bih=751&dpr=3#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:e60c501b,vid:IDaCoKbovHQ,st:0

RicktheBear

Boo hoo. They’re not so special anymore.

Jasper58

All the police officers I’ve ever known are on duty 24/7, they aren’t special, it’s part of the job, Your comment is beyond stupid!

grant

This just like cutting the testicles off your Blue Ribbon Bull.
Stupid!
But then again,
It’s New York.

Steve

I don’t see cops crying about the rest of us not allowed to carry a gun anywhere. I don’t feel sorry for them.
Something needs to be done about the anti constitutional gun laws.

JimQ

hold on, it’s around here someplace, this pocket? nope. this one? nope! this drawer? nope

looks like I’m all out of Foxtrots for NY police being treated like the citizenry.

swmft

should ban them from carrying in parks and city buildings too…the school shooters would have a field day

JimQ

MA passed a seat belt law several decades ago that people did not like at all. In order to get the law repealed, the law was vigorously enforced so it was repealed very quickly. A few years later it was passed again by they slowly enforced the seat belt and it has been in place ever since.

Enforce these appalling laws very vigorously and the citizenry will ensure that they are repealed. The bureaucrats and police need to be treated like every other citizen. No more special treatment for them.

JQ

swmft

I had a run in with a idiot mass state trooper with that first run; out by Springfield any car built before federal law requiring them is exempt he could not understand NO cars had them until late 1950s and most cars did not have them until 1968 they were an option before that

Arny

I’m surprised he didn’t ask where your emissions sticker was ? And then proceed to look for a catalytic converter. lol

Ope

Yeah,I’m surprised too. The cop asking him for an omissions sticker would had been downright insulting,wouldn’t it?That would had traumatized this tough guy even more. Another thing you need to keep in mind is he’s known to make up ridiculous fictional events,esp.about cops just to trash LE! Did you catch the one where he was a former DEA agent? It’s was priceless.

Russn8r

Officer Ope-TEX-Bruce-Will-FordWill etc sock-downvotes Arny then sucks up to him. Priceless.

Trussman

Boy how things have changed. 25 yrs ago my dept. (Indiana) required us to carry everywhere within the state. Since we had arrest powers 24-7 within the state borders, we were to be armed if we left the house. That has stayed with me since leaving the PD. I never had an issue with anyone being armed, never violated the 2nd or 4th of any person that I had contact with. Thankfully I worked for a pro 2nd County Sherriff & Chief of Police. It would be against my principals to attend this event, and I would not feel comfortable… Read more »

PistolGrip44

Now that is something I can get behind.

JayWPB

According to the article, this is a “New York State Fair” policy. The Fair probably has a tax exempt status, and as such shouldn’t be permitted to discriminate against a Constitutionally protected group, such as minorities, women, or armed individuals. If the Fair wants to give up their tax status, they should then be permitted to deny admittance to whoever they choose. Just like I can in my own home, and like I should be able to do in my own business.

Bubba

That might make a great SCOTUS case.

Vince

If a cop is not going to the fair, maybe you shouldn’t either!

john

By the looks of red votes there are some angry NYS leos in attendance .Remember NYSP NYCP among others in the state were and are willing to remove firearms for law abiding Americans.
Leos following orders not the constitution with democrats in control they advengualy eat their own.

Russn8r

One would think so, but it’s a sock puppet posse run by LEOs in R States like TEXAS, or federales pretending to be locals. The primary downvoter is Officer “Ope” aka TEX, Bruce, FordWill, Will & a dozen or so other troll accounts. They & their toadies don’t think cops anywhere should be accountable for crapping on rights. They even oppose shunning bad cops. e.g. “Ope” thinks the cop who machine-gunned innocent Daniel Shaver did nothing wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBUUx0jUKxc

Boom

MR. DANIEL SHAVER.

Ope

Daniel Shaver (deceased)

MICHAELANGELO

Nobody listens to anything you have to say DUMB STUPID DUMMY!!

Ope

MICHAELANGELO, you and I don’t agree on much about the former NRA and scumbag Lapierre, but you sure as hell got limp brain figured to a tee !!! Keep up the great work !

john

A few years back NYC told court officers they could not bring their duty weapons home. I do not know if that is still in effect the message was clear you could could carry your own / not theirs. Democratic run states are cesspools of crime & political overreach by those in power. NYS now under their lady governoverness who is more a dictator than bipartisan problem solver is as guilty as her boss Cuomo for all actions that administration committed . For the people in that state they somehow keep voting with the same results that always end with… Read more »

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swmft

and we should ban the former leos from free states, we have enough stupid ones of our own, they dont even know enough to check their laptop to see what the law is…..

Trussman

Exactly!! When you’re tired of being screwed out of your freedoms, don’t move to one of our states and start the group that starts screwing us out of our freedoms. Become part of the new community, don’t try to start a liberal woke new community.

Bubba

I can’t imagine leaving my duty issue with someone or some lock box that the dept has access to. Seems like a horrible idea.
You have to love the Chutzpah of NY.

When they fall, it will be epic!

AZ Lefty

Oh no how horrid, Cops held to the same standards as everyone else HOW COMMIE!

KK

“I don’t go anywhere without my gun,” One New York Police Department member told AmmoLand News on condition of anonymity. “This is a slap in the face to cops everywhere. Do we become magically dangerous with guns once we are off duty? You would think they would want more cops with guns, not less. You are making a soft target, softer.” Well, when they passed the NY SAFE Act into law, they did it in such a totalitarians dream frenzy of joy, quick, overnight, pouncing on their great Sandy Hook OPPORTUNITY . . . that they forgot to exempt active… Read more »

Arny

I think it’s great. Now they can be serfs. lol

willyd

One more place I don’t have to go!!!!!!!!!!!!

Arny

I hear ya. I have friends of a friend living in NY. We used to go hunting there. I haven’t been there in almost a decade. Just because of the chance on getting stopped. No thanks. There are many black bears where we hunt. And I like to carry a little extra protection that they see as ILLEGAL. It’s not far from the PA line into NY. But all you need is one enforcer, looking to earn a cookie.

loveaduck

I wonder if they’re hoping for an incident?

Ledesma

The blue boys better get used to this. Much like black hate crime being “just random”.