Pistol Gripped Shotguns, 922(r), & the Pistol Brace Rule According to the ATF

Pistol Gripped Shotguns, 922(r), & the Pistol Brace Rule According to the ATF
Mossberg 590 Shockwave

WASHINGTON, D.C. -(Ammoland.com)- The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) new final rule surrounding pistol stabilizing devices has spurred a debate on the internet about what is and is not allowed. The source of the confusion seems to be the proposed rule was included within the document released by the Bureau. This confusion has led some people to believe the ATF will not allow imported pistol to be registered and revokes all letters for pistol grip shotguns.

The ATF has assured AmmoLand News that pistol grip shotguns that fall outside the scope of the National Firearms Act (NFA) but are considered short-barreled shotguns (SBSs) under the Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA) are not affected by ATF final rule 2021R-08F that regulates pistol stabilizing braces. The GCA and NFA have slightly different definitions of Shot Barrelled Shotguns. This discrepancy has developed a grey area where not all SBS are considered NFA firearms. These guns include items such as the Remington TAC-14 and the Mossberg Shockwave.

AmmoLand News contacted the ATF and spoke with Public Affairs Division Deputy Chief Erik Longnecker about pistol-gripped shotguns with barrels less than 18 inches. Other sources have reported that the ATF has revoked all prior classification letters. On page 47 of the published comments section submitted with the Final Rule, it seems to indicate that these shotguns are no longer legal.

“As discussed in section II.B of this preamble, these firearms are specifically designed to be fired with two hands. ATF has always classified these weapons as ‘firearms’ under the GCA and not as ‘shotguns,’ because they do not incorporate a shoulder stock and are not designed and intended to be fired from the shoulder like a shotgun. Nor has ATF classified these weapons as ‘pistols,’ as they are not designed to be held and fired in one hand like a pistol. Thus, the addition of a ‘stabilizing brace’ does not assist with single-handed firing, but instead provides surface area that allows for firing from the shoulder. Therefore, a ‘pistol grip shotgun’ equipped with a ‘stabilizing brace’ and a barrel of less than 18 inches is an NFA’ firearm,’ i.e., a short-barreled shotgun,” the rule reads.

The ATF response goes further and rejects all letters issued for these shotguns in the page 47 footnotes.

Footnote 73 reads: “As mentioned above, any classification that provides that a “pistol grip shotgun” is not an NFA firearm is no longer valid or authoritative and should be resubmitted to FATD for evaluation.”

According to Mr. Longnecker, people are misreading the Final Rule. The ATF claims that the page is from the proposed rule, not the final rule. He goes further and points to the final rule actually starting at the bottom of page 268. AmmoLand News verified Mr. Longnecker’s claim that the final rule does start on page 268.

“The final rule does not address pistol grip firearms (such as the Tac-14 or Shockwave), nor does it revoke prior classification letters relating to those firearms. Those were in the proposed rule,” Longnecker wrote.

“If you check the document, you will see that the Final rule begins at the bottom of page 268; page 47 is from the initial proposed rule. Since the document is fairly lengthy, it could be useful to use the bookmarks within the pdf, to see which sections you are in. That is helpful for me.”

If we take Longnecker, who is authorized to speak on behalf of the ATF, at his word, that means there could be a lot of misconceptions because he is insinuating that nothing above the bottom of page 268 is authoritative.

We can use that information to break down the rule. One issue that has been raised is an issue with 922(r) compliance. A rifle must have a certain quantity of American-made parts under the 922(r) regulation. The same rule does not bind pistols. Some gun groups have reasoned that if the ATF is retroactively making braced pistols short-barreled rifles (SBRs), there would be no way to bring it in line with 922(r).

Mr. Longernecker admits it is true that there is no way to bring a rifle into 922(r) after it has been assembled, but if a gun owner added a brace to a pistol after it was assembled, then according to the ATF, they could still file for their tax stamp like any other person. The ATF claims that the end user is not subject to 922(r) compliance demands.

“Section 922(r), in relevant part, makes it unlawful to assemble from imported parts a semiautomatic rifle that is otherwise not importable. The implementing regulations of the GCA at 27 CFR 478.39 provides that a person may not assemble a semiautomatic rifle using more than 10 of the imported parts listed in the relevant paragraphs of the regulation. As discussed on page 246 of the proposed rule, the criminal violation under section 922(r) is for the ‘assembly’ of the semiautomatic rifle; therefore, no modification of such firearm would cure the 922(r) violation because the ‘assembly’ has already occurred. Accordingly, a person with an imported pistol that was subsequently equipped with a ‘stabilizing brace’ will have the same options as anyone else under the final rule. Should that person choose to register the firearm, no further modification of the firearm with domestic parts is required.”

AmmoLand News tried to get answers to what the ATF recommends an end user do if they purchased a foreign-made pistol with a pistol stabilizing brace. The ATF has not responded to the question at this time. Although, it would be almost impossible for the ATF to determine when the pistol brace was added to the firearm. If AmmoLand News gets an answer, then we will update the story.

The document that the ATF released is long and not easy to understand. It will take time and effort to understand all the nuances in the document, and there will be disagreements. AmmoLand News will continue to pressure the ATF to comment, on the record, to clarify any misunderstandings. This will enable the public to hold the ATF accountable if it changes its mind about the meaning and enforcement of the Final Rule.


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Arizona

America was founded by people who refused to let the government restrict or dictate their choice of arms, which is exactly what congress, Dementia Joe, various woke states and the FBATFE are attempting. Wonder how that will turn out?

Hazcat

The ATF should just put out a statement saying “We wrote the rule (law) to be as vague and confusing as possible so that we can interpret it in the least favorable way according to each case.”

That would at least be truthful.

DonP

That would work just fine with me! Standard procedure with the courts is that if the law a person is being charged with is vague, ambiguous and/or generally difficult to understand the ruling is to be against the governmental agency that wrote and/or is enforcing that law. Having them admit to its being written intentionally “as vague and confusing as possible” would be great.

Logician

Look up Void for vagueness doctrine in Black’s Law Dictionary. And while you’re there, look up the words Contract and Fraud, and apply them to the legal system itself.

BigJim

The ATF dosen’t write law. Congress does.

Bill

In actuality the BATFE DOES sorta’ write laws. Or at lease changes the interpretations of current laws to agree with the BATFE’s desired result!

ROCK6

No they don’t, but they have the authority to charge you with some flavor of a proposed crime and Congress isn’t paying your legal fees. Their confusing “rules” make the process the punishment. They don’t need criminal convictions in our kangaroo courts and our feckless legislatures will do nothing. They simply intend to disarm Americans over fear of confusion and bankruptcy.

gregs

seems like even these ignoramuses can understand what they concocted, even though they are not entitled to write such rules, according to recent scotus opinion wv v epa. i know there are some good federal leo’s out there but it seems like the ones higher up in the food chain have to become tyrannical to make it up the ladder, and look at what we have now. it is getting harder and harder to watch our corrupt and tyrannical government keep moving towards their goal of authoritarianism. i need permission from no man or government.

Bill

In 1994, I had a worthless brother-in-law who was a BATF agent. As a gunsmith I asked him how he measures barrel length. He said he would make sure the gun was unloaded and close the bolt, drop a rod down the barrel and mark the rod at the end of the barrel. I pointed out that he was also measuring the chamber which really is not part of the barrel. He snappily replied “You asked how I measure a barrel”. I don’t know how other agents do it. I then asked if there was Bureau guidance on how to… Read more »

StLPro2A

Recalling from my 22 years of FFL days, the measurement is from the bolt face to the permanent barrel muzzle end. The chamber comprises a portion of the barrel. Gunsmith my ass……

Last edited 1 year ago by StLPro2A
USMC0351Grunt

The fact that the ATF can NOT write ANYTHING that ANYBODY can understand further proves that the ATF has become an incompetent quagmire. If these knuckleheads that are bent on the attempts of violating not only criminal statutes but civil rights without authority to do so, gives great weight to Florida Representative Matt Gaetz’s Bill to dissolves the ATF altogether. I mean, if the ATF continues to put out documents that appears that a crackhead wrote them, there is no other options other than to suspend the entire operation, drug test each and every agent and do a through investigation… Read more »

USMC0351Grunt

There have been rumors to that effect.

Bubba

Just read part of the rule. That about confirms Hunters incoherent ramblings.

StLPro2A

Sol Joe was the technical advisor for the ramblings….Hunter the crackhead advisor.

Last edited 1 year ago by StLPro2A
Steve

They comprised the rules in between segments of SpongeBob Square pants and old Joey boy spooning down his rice puddin..

Steve

This all is going to end only one way. And it isn’t in court or a voting booth.

Boz

Fatf.

Country Boy

I wonder how long it’ll be before the ATF (illegally) changes the requirements and declares 16″ barreled rifles as “short barrelled rifles, as well as 18” barrelled shotguns as “short barrelled shotguns”?

If they can rewrite as illegal, what they previously declared was legal…..where will they stop?

They need to rename the BATFE and let the current call letters stand for Bureau of Assholes,Tyrants,Facists and Egomaniacs.

IMHO the time has come to totally disband and trashcan the Bureau of Assholes,Tyrants,Facists and Egomaniacs. And let it be in the trashcan of US History….while we still have 2nd A rights.

Logician

Yes, you are 100% right, but the far easier thing to do, is to pull the teeth out of the mouth of the legal system first, by exposing its crimes against Humanity. Since the root of the problem is the 100% corrupted legal system applying these rules and laws against us, THAT is where we should be directing our blows, and NOT to the many branches of that tree of pure evilness!!

RetUSAF

I renamed them years ago as, BATFI. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearm Infringement.

Logician

Is there any man or woman, who can explain to me in simple terms, what the exact reason is for us to obey criminals? Of course other than that they will point a loaded gun in our face and force us to do something. Which only goes to show that they ARE criminals!! If anyone is violating our God given rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, then they are committing a crime against us and are then known as a criminal! WHERE is our written guarantee that we will actually GET a fair trial to be found,… Read more »

KCsmith

Will Not Comply

Steve

Fellers – just a piece of advice from a long time SF Operator that specialized in Counter Terror Intel / Intel. DO NOT declare, in this comment board or any other what your intentions are. With the power of Artificial Intelligence – and the ability of these search engines like google to pinpoint your specific computer – no amount of “hiding” is possible anymore. Sure, they won’t come for you now – nobody will. But, you and your statements are in a data base for future reference. Those phones all of us have are the greatest intel collection device ever… Read more »

PistolGrip44

I want to see them try to enforce their BS. Bring it on ATF…. I’m ready for you!!!

Matt in Oklahoma

None of this is about actual compliance. They don’t want anyone to comply and it’s obvious by the way stuff is written

Bubba

FATF.
Burn the whole system down. Dismantle ATF and the FBI

Alan in NH

The rule goes into effect when it is published into the Federal Register. Can anyone tell us whether that has indeed happened yet? That’s when the clock starts ticking.

USMC0351Grunt

The “Rule” is supposed to be published on 31 January, IF the ATF can make that deadline and then it is supposed to go into effect 120 days after that, making it somewhere around May 31st depending on the “rule” of federal holidays, etc giving latitude to that timing. Then again, “The Rule” has to pass muster for legal writing: Legal writing involves the analysis of fact patterns and presentation of arguments in documents such as legal memoranda and briefs.[1] One form of legal writing involves drafting a balanced analysis of a legal problem or issue. Another form of legal writing is persuasive, and advocates… Read more »

Alan in NH

Good, you tell ’em that, USMCGrunt. I’m sure they will be very impressed by those words but I doubt that is the reason for the delay. More like the BATF is coming to the realization that tens of millions heavily armed and quite belligerent friends and neighbors are not going along quietly.

Wild Bill

I don’t think that Grunt was writing to impress the BATFE lawyers. They know all that. I think that he was bringing a little knowledge and good news to the readership. I could be wrong.

Logician

Also, every LIEyer either knows or should know, that they are running scams on us all! All that they need to do to see that, is to read the definitions of the words Contract and Fraud and then apply them to the legal system itself!
Please read my comments above.

Last edited 1 year ago by Logician
Wild Bill

All true, and the final rule or version of a statute must be clear so as to give guidance to police, prosecutors, judges and the people governed. That is called the void for vagueness rule of Constitutional interpretation
About the “blue book”, I have edition 13 on my shelf. Oh the memories.

Bubba

I can’t find my old blue book.
What was my AR-15 Delta Elite with Aluminum Case worth back then? 😉
I love that rifle. I remember buying it from Turner’s Outdoorsman back in the 80’s.
I think I paid $1000.
The good ole days.

Logician

Wild Bill, have you ever read The Seven Elements of Jurisdiction before? You can find them on the internet.
But the ultimate undercuts in facts and logic, are where is our written guarantee that we will actually GET a fair trial, so we can see it and read it for ourselves? And since the entire legal system is easily shown to be nothing but a HUGE criminal enterprise, where is our factual obligation to be involved in any part of it??
Why would anybody down vote your comment? You didn’t say anything offensive at all there!

Logician

But there’s an undercut in facts and logic there which you are not aware of. It is that fraud vitiates everything that it comes into contact with. You can’t make any laws that are based in any kind or amount of fraud, and then demand that people obey them just because you may say they have to. Fraud vitiates ALL that it comes into mere contact with. Look it up, if you don’t want to believe me.

Alan in NH

There’s a two dollar word; vitiate, vitiates, vitiated. I did have to look it up. A lot of things can ‘vitiate’ anything it comes into contact with but most of them aren’t allowed in a court room. I sure don’t want to be the guy that has to defend myself with that.

2AGunster

Splitting hairs is what the Dems do best, cause they refuse to abide by “Shall not be infringed”!

ROCK6

I’m so confused, I guess I’m a felon.

chamaza

One has to be an attorney versed in garble to understand this. What kind of forearm is on this Shockwave?
Thanks

StLPro2A

Takes the ATF 290 pages to tell We The Little Peeps…”Fuck You.” Government at its finest.
This is the government our Forefathers warned about…and why they penned the Second Amendment.

Bobtail

This shit is way to complicated. Fuck it. I’m out.

Shotgun505

Any gun control is straight up not constitutional/ shall not be fucking infringed means just that! Disband the ATF unless they want to be a liquor, gun and explosive store. Repeal the NFA and GCA I will not have my rights eroded by feel good legislation. Bring yours when you come to take mine!