Private Gun Sales – No Questions Asked No Sale – Protecting Gun Shows

Private Gun Sales – No Questions Asked No Sale – Protecting Gun Shows
By Jeff Knox

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Manassas, VA, – -(AmmoLand.com)- Anyone who does not hold an FFL and sells a firearm to someone he doesn’t know well is incurring a certain amount of liability. And, a bit of bad judgment could cause trouble not just for the seller, but for the rest of the gun owning community as well. There is no question that individuals have the right to buy, sell, and trade firearms between themselves without government infringement. But there are laws on the books and failing to know and follow them is just asking for trouble. A prudent trader will take into account not only the legal technicalities, but the political environment also.

Title 18, Section 922 of the U.S. Code, the 1968 Gun Control Act, covers sales and transfer of guns. The law forbids transfers between residents of different states except through an FFL in the buyer's state. Of course it is also illegal for a federally “prohibited person” – a felon, fugitive, someone dishonorably discharged from the service, etc. – to purchase a firearm from anyone, FFL dealer or not. If the seller has any indication that the prospective buyer is a “prohibited person,” selling the gun is a crime. It is also illegal for anyone to purchase a firearm on behalf of someone else – even if that someone else could legally purchase it himself – and a seller can again be held criminally responsible if they had any indication that such a “straw” transaction was taking place.

Any sale in violation of the 1968 Gun Control Act and its subsequent amendments exposes traders to serious criminal liability – as much as five years and $5,000 for every violation. And when those sales happen at a gun show it does grave harm to the gun show industry and the entire Second Amendment movement.

Given the legislative threats and the political climate – with Bloomberg and his anti-gun mayors, the Brady Bunch, and various reporters and other scoundrels routinely targeting gun shows with hidden cameras and sting operations – it is wise for traders and gun show promoters to engage in some self-regulation to keep the government from coming in and doing the regulating for us. The trick is to solve, or at least mitigate the problem without creating worse problems in the process.

As with most problems, the solution here begins with education, so smart gun show promoters are making an effort to make sure that everyone selling at their shows understands the basics of the laws. The next step is procedural: Making sure sellers always ask the tough questions and get clear answers. Some promoters are solving that problem with a simple form issued to non-FFL sellers. A good form is like an abbreviated 4473. It informs the buyer of the legal requirements while it asks them disqualifying questions and collects identifying information. The seller keeps the part with the drivers license number and signature, the buyer gets a part with the sellers ID as a receipt, and the gun show checks receipts at the door. Nobody else gets a copy. By mandating use of such forms gun show promoters protect themselves and their business as well as providing some legal cover for their sellers. Since there is no government involvement and no centralized storage of records, the privacy of both buyer and seller are also protected.

Most sellers won't make a sale if they catch a hint of impropriety, and smart sellers always take down the buyer's drivers license information as a precaution.

But not all sellers are that prudent. A foolish few think they are “safe” if they take a “don't ask, don't tell” approach, avoiding any question of the buyers’ legal status and studiously not noticing if the buyer says something that might indicate ineligibility. They delude themselves. Even though it is highly unlikely that a buyer is breaking the law or that a particular gun will ever be remotely connected to a crime, that rare exception can not just ruin your day, it can ruin your decade, and provide ammo to the enemy. Anyone making a private sale to anyone they don’t know well should always get a signed statement of eligibility and a drivers license number. Buyers should be concerned about identifying the seller as well, just in case.

The public's lack of understanding of the so-called gun show loophole issue, and the complexity of trying to explain it, has placed gun shows and all private transactions in the political crosshairs. If gun show promoters, exhibitors, and attendees don't accelerate efforts to mitigate the issue, the gun shows – and all private transfers – could be just a fond memory in the not too distant future.


 

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  • 131 thoughts on “Private Gun Sales – No Questions Asked No Sale – Protecting Gun Shows

    1. I’m looking for a used 357 mag,rugar Blackhawk preferably, Im 61years old & not stupid I know their value, does not have to be prestine, single action,relvover……….

    2. Would like to purchase a S&W model 36 or S&W model 38 or 49 or a S&W model 60, I have cash in hand and am willing to pay top dollar for a gun in good condition, I can travel to you to pick it up and I will bring cash, thank you, call 7047182127 ask for Dave or leave a message, I am not a cop

      1. DEAR DAVID,YOU ARE WELCOME WEATHER YOU’RE A COP OR NOT,I WAS FOR MORE THAN 26 YEARS A PRIVATE ARMED INVESTIGATOR BOTH IN NEW YORK AND ARIZONA, NOW RETIRED.
        DEAR DAVID I LIVE AT 12535 W ST MORITZ LN. EL MIRAGE AZ 85335, AS YOU MAY HAVE READ I HAVE
        A LIKE NEW SCCY 9MM,DUAL TONE SIX MAGAZINES KIDES CUSTOM HOLSTER I INSTALLED NON SLIP
        GRIPS FOR EASY SHOOTING AND LOOKS.THIS GUN HAS A LIFE TIME NO QUESTION GUARANTEE AND IS BARGAIN AT $ 359.00 WHEN YOU SEE ALL THE MONEY I PUT IN TO IT. PLEASE CALL ME 623 455 3588
        THEN AS LONG AS I KNOW YOU WANT THIS GREAT GUN,I COULD CALL YOU,OR EMAIL ME DIRECTLY

        1. Two different area codes. If one sells something from their private collection, doesn’t the seller and buyer have to be from the same state?
          This not knowing who is on the other end of the line bothers me. Could be anyone. Felon, teenager, BATFE looking for an easy conviction. Just saying that one is not a cop is not lying if you are BATFE.
          Why don’t you sell or buy through gun broker where you have some idea who you are dealing with? Mighty easy to get ripped off this way.

          1. @Wild Bill

            Yes, Federal law states that all out of state sales require a background check, only private intrastate sales do not. That being said, some states have multiple Area Codes so that is not a good measure to go by. It’s better to ask for a copy of the individuals drivers license, or since the original poster stated they would travel to pay Have them show it upon arrival and continue with the sale if it is In State.

            Now, most states that do allow for out of state sales have a long arms reciprocity which allow you to walk out with a rifle or shotgun and transport it home. Not so with Handguns, as most states require those to be shipped to an FFL in your home state. Since the subject of both previous offers are handguns, even if you paid for it in person you would need to ship it to a personal FFL if the transaction is out of state.

            Hope this clarifies questions on legality for everyone. Always check your state laws prior to purchasing, because if you make a mistake you lose your money and the firearm at the very least.

        2. Hi Victor, I have seen a number of postsz, involving you SCCY 9mm. It’s a hot topic, I’m guessing, due to the associated legalities concerning the sale and transfer of s firearm. Two immediate questions come to mind: aFirst, why are you selling it? (Based on the reviews I’ve read, that seems to be a very sound firearm. Second, why are you having such ancapoarently difficult time in selling it? I do see that a brand new one can be purchased at, or below your asking price, though, without the he extras and the upgrades. I’m asking, primarily out of curiosity. (I am wondering if selling on a forum such as this, offers an opportunity to get more money for your firearm, due to the potential for avoiding some of the “red tape”. While I do not currently live in AZ, I used to. Several very close friends live there, and a couple of them will be “home” this weekend, for a high school reunion. Depending on your responses, one of those friends, once he returns to Gilbert Arizona, on Sunday, may have the cash in-hand to purchase that SCCY from you. For a “rookie”, that seems perfect. Excellent reviews, fair price, and extras. The “rookie”, started with an AR15, recently acquired a shotgun, and now wants a reliable handgun. All of the above, are strictly for infrequent range visits, and home protection.

          1. WELL MIKE,THANK YOU FOR CONTACTING ME,I AM HAPPY TO EXPLAIN TO YOU AND RESPOND TO YOUR QUESTIONS. I PAID $235.FOR THE GUN,THIS INCLUDE
            TAXES,$ 35,00 FOR THE HOLSTER, $ 29.00 FOR THE STICK ON GRIPS,FOUR EXTRA
            MAGAZINES AY $ 32,00 AND IT IS LIKE NEW IN THE ORIGINAL BOX.I DO NOT NEED TO SALE IT,I WANT TO BECAUSE EVEN AS IT IS A GREAT GUN ( LIFE TIME GUARANTEE) MY WIFE PREFERS A CALIBER 380 AND I HAVE BOUGHT IT FOR HER,
            I HAVE OTHER GUNS,THAT IS THE REASONFO SELLING IT HAVE YOUR FRIEND CALL ME 623 455 3588 THANK YOU

            1. Thank you for responding. If I lived in AZ, and could purchase it legally, I would do so myself. Since I can’t, like I said, my good friend will be back in Gilbert, on Sunday. I am passing on your information, including your phone number.

            2. KUDO TO YOU SIR,YOU ARE A GENTLEMAN UNLIKE MANY OTHERS WHO LIKE TO WAISTE TIME BECAUSE CANNOT MAKE A DECISION,VERY IMPORTANT IF YOU ARE ARMED TO DEFEND YOURSELF AND YOUR FAMILY.THANK YOU AND I BID YOU BEST REGARDS

            3. Hi Victor, I saw another message from you via email, but don’t see it here, on the thread. Thank you for your kind offer. I will take you up on that, I truly appreciate it.

          2. NO COMMENTS MIKE,IT IS FINE,I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BEING A
            GENTLEMAN.I WILL SALE THE PISTOL EVENTUALLY.BE CAREFUL WITH WHAT YOU ARE BULDING,IF YOU EVER USE ITFOR SELF DEFENCE.MAKE SURE TO PUT IT DOWN
            ON THE FLOOR,WHAEN THE POLICE ARRIVES,MAKE SURE THEY SEE YOUR HANDS UP,JUST SAY YOU HAD NO CHOICE,YOU WERE AFFRAID FOR YOUR LIFE,SAY NO MORE OTER THE SAME

    3. I’m a Desert Storm Veteran looking for protection in my home. I live in a bad neighborhood and can’t wait til the next gun show here in Las Vegas. I would prefer a cheaper end 35 or 9mm sidearm in the $200.00 range. ..I will upgrade in September or August at the Vegas Gun Show.

    4. Looking for a handgun with ammo for home protection. Liberals are trying to destroy our country and its getting a bit concerning lately. I live in CT and do not want any paperwork or anything to deal with. I just want a handgun and some shells and will pay nicely. Total discretion!

          1. JOHUA,WHAT IS WRONG??? I TOLD YOU YES I STILL HAVE TH SCCY PISTOL,
            I NEED YOU TO CALL ME SO WE CAN DO THIS,I DO NOT WANT TO WAITE ALL DAY FOR THIS,EITHEL CALL ME OR EMAIL ME TODAY PLEASE

      1. I HAVE A LIKE NEW SCCY PCX-2 GUN,DUAL TONE,IT COMES WITH SIX MAGAZINES A NEW KIDEX HOSTER
        NON SLIP NEW GRIPS IT COST ME MORE THAN $ 459.00 WILL SELL IT FOR $ $ 359.00 I WILL INCLUDE
        ORIGINAL BOE,INSTRUCTIONS AND WILL GIVE YOU 25 9MM BULLETS. PLEASE CALL ME
        623 455 3588

        1. Hi Victor, I am curious, about a few things. First of all, based on the reviews I’ve read, that SCCY is a sound firearm. Why are you trying so hard to get rid of it? Second, I see it advertised, new, for as low as $199. I realize that you’re throwing in a couple of extra magazines, and you upgraded the grips, but $359 seems high, let alone, the $450 you have spent on it. This brings me to my third and final question: Does selling through a forum, such as this, enable you to fetch a higher price, by offering the option for avoiding some of the red tape, associated with the sale and transfers of firearms?

          I do not mean to be rude, or intend to pick you apart. Please excuse my naïveté. I am not a gun enthusiast. I’m new to this, and trying to educate myself.

          Depending on your responses, I could have a buyer for you. This person is seeking to complete his home protection arsenal, with an inexpensive, but reliable handgun. If you’d prefer to answer more discretely, Thank you.

          1. MIKE THIS GUN IS VERY RELIABLE AND COMES WITH A NO QUESTION LIFE TIME
            GUARANTEE.THIS PEOPLE ARE VERY NICE AND THERE IS NOTHING TO WORRY IF
            ANYTHING EVER GOES WRONG.

            1. WELL MIKE,BECAUSE YOU ARE SO ELOQUENT WITH THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE,I THOUGHT YOU NEW OF YOUR FRIENDS,AS A COURTESY
              TO YOU,I STOOD HOME AND WAITED TO GET A CALL,IT WAS NOT IMPORTANT WETHER THEY OR HE BOUGHT MY PISTOL,I JUST WOULD HAVE APPRECIATED TO KNOW ,I WOULD NOT HAVE WHASTED MY TIME,PLEASE DO THAKE THIS IN AN OFFENSIVE WAY,IT IS OK VICTOR

            2. Hi Victor, I apologize. My friend, Chance, was here in So Cal for a high school reunion. He ended up staying over an extra day. Honestly, I neglected to even mention it. I wasn’t able to reach him just now, but once I get ahold of him, I’ll ask him to either reach out, or let you know that he’s had a change of heart. Again, my apologies, as I have no intentions of wasting anyone’s time.

      2. JSHUA,IF YOU HAVE NOT FOUD ANYTHING YET,HERE I HAVE A GREAT 9MM SCCY STAINLES SLIDE,
        THIS GUN IS LIKE NEW, IT COMES WITH TWO MAGAZINES I WILL GIVE YOU FOUR MORE FOR A TOTAL OF SIX, ALSO YOU WILL GET A NEW KIDEX HOLSTER MADE FOR THIS PISTOL, IT ALSO HAS NON SLIP GRIPS, IT COMES WITH A NO QUESTION LIFE TIME GUARANTEE,YOU WILL FIND ALL INFORMATION WITHIN THE ORIGINAL BOX,EASY TO DISMANTLE FOR CLEANING, I WILL GIVE YOUSOME BULLETT’S
        IF INTERESTED PLEASE CALL ME SO I WILL HOLD IT FOR YOU,I NEED TO KNOW WHERE YOULIVE,I AM INPHOENIX AZ.MYNUMBER 623.455.3588

        1. I am still interested. I havn’t purchased anything yet. Sorry it took so long for me to respond but my message notifications were going into my spam box on my email.

        2. I can give you a buzz tomorrow most likely. I’m working 12 hour days, I’m at work now but I can talk on my lunch tomorrow.

    5. Hi all, I have never owned a gun. I’m non violent, and not interested in hunting, (except for fishing). However, I have been starting to prep, for a shtf scenario. I’m a single father, and feel like I should have some means for protecting myself, my daughter, our home, and our interests, should the shtf. Initially, I was going to purchase a shotgun. However, I want something my 10 year old daughter can fire, if she needed to. I was told that the recoil is too great with a shotgun and that’s they’re too restrictive…only effective at short range. With all the gun bans and gun control lobbying, I’ve decided that I like the idea of a “ghost” gun. However, as I research the subject further, I’m blown away by what I’ve seen. It seems that it’s so much easier and cheaper to buy the parts for an assault rifle than it is to buy a handgun. In fact, I have purchased a build kit for an AR15 and an 80% lower. I’ve been seeking some help in completing the lower, but may just break down and purchase a jig, to complete it myself. Since I’m doing this, solely for home and family protection, am I am idiot for building an assault rifle? I’m only into it for a little over $300, while, according to what I’ve found, it would cost me twice that for a 9mm. I should add that I do think the AR is pretty badass, and would certainly be intimidating to most would be attackers. I am now committed to finishing the build, but would I be wiser to simply purchase a handgun? Like I said, I’m not an enthusiast, and don’t want to spend too much money on it. Any gun or guns I own will be tucked away, in a safe location, and only accessed when absolutely necessary. (Except, of course, a few trips to the range, to learn to use it. I’d appreciate any advice, or recommendations). If anyone has an appropriate, affordable option for sale, I could be interested.

      1. MIKE CALL ME AFTER I SELL THIS GUN,I WILL ASK YOU FEW QUESTION AND WILL RECCOMAND WHAT TO BUY.OWNING A GUN IS A HUGE RESPONSABILITY,IF YOU WERE HERE I WOULD BE HAPPY TO TRAIN YOU
        I NEED TO UNDERSTAND HOW YOU THINK.

      2. MIKE,A GOOD MAN WITH A GUN COULD WIN AGEIST A BAD MAN WITH A GUN,ALL IS NEEDED IS A GOOD RELIABLE GUN AND A VERY STRONG UNDERSTANDING OF THE RULE OF LAW AND KNOWLEDGE ON HOW TO BE A WINNER,IT TAKES KNOWING WHAT TO DO AND WHEN TO DO IT. YOU ARE BUILDING A WHEPON,I HOPE YOU WILL NEVER NEED TO USE IT,IN A COURT OF LAW,YOU WOULD ABSOLUTELY GO TO JAIL. I WAS FOR MANY YEARS A ARMED SECURITY SPECIALIST,INVESTIGATOR,BODY GUARD. I HAVE HAD A VERY INTERESTING LIFE. PLEASE BE CAREFUL VICTOR

      1. I HAVE A ALMOST NEW SCCY PISTOL IT IS A 9MM 10 PLUS ONE ROUNDS I WILL GIVE YOU FOUR EXTRA MAGAZINES ( ATOTAL OF SIX) THE PISTOL IS DUAL TONE,I WILL ALSO GIVE YUU A NEW KIDEX HOLSTER
        AND I HAS NON SLIP GRIPS WITH IT COST ME WELL OVER $450.00 IW ILL SALE IT FOR $ 359.OO
        PLEASE CALL ME 623 455 3588

        1. DEAR JENNIFER IFEEL FOR YOU AND WILL OFFER THE SCCY CPX2 FOR ONY $ 295,00
          THAT IS WITH ALL INCLUDED INTEESTED? CALL ME 623 455 3588

      2. JENNIFER,I HAVE YOUR SOLUTION FOR YOUR URGENT SITUATION,I HAVE THE GUN THAT FITS YOUR NEED IT A SCCY CPX-2 WITH 6 MAGAZINES( LOAD THEM UP AND KEEP THEM NEAR YOU)\
        IT IS A GOOD LOOKING GUN DUAL TONE.KIDEX HOLSTER NO SLIP GRIPS NO QUESTIONLIFE TIME GUARATEE,EASY TO CLEAN AND IT IS A 9MM PISTOL. FOR ALL OF THE ABOVE WITH TAX IT COST ME $472.00 I WILL SELL IT TO YOU FOR $ 359.00 I ALSO COULD HELP YOU AROUND THE WEPON CALL ME
        623 455 3588 PLEASE DO IT BEFORE IT IS GONE. ALSO PLEASE TELL ME WHERE YOU LIVE

    6. I am a former Marine
      Gunfighter in Tombstone AZ for 5 years
      I am looking for a Ruger Vaquero
      .45 Cal
      Nichol or Stainless
      Single action

      1. TIM I HAVE A LIKE NEW SCCY DUAL TONE PISTOL,IT COMES WITH SIX MAGAZINES,A NEW KIDEX HOLSTER
        NEW NON SLIP GRIPS IT COST ME MORE THAN $ 479.00 WILL SALE FOR $ 359.00
        I INTERESTED CALL ME 623 455 3588

      1. CHRIS IF YOU ARE A GOOD MAN AND NO PROBLEM WITH THE POLICE I MAY MAKE A DEAL WITH YOU
        I HAVE A SCCY CPX2 DUAL TONE SIX MAGAZINES A KIDEX HOLSTER AND NON SLIP GRIPS.
        I COST ME OVER $ 450,00 FOR ALL OF THE ABOVE INCLDING TAX..LIKE I SAID I MAY DO IT,I NEED TO KNOW IN WHAT STATE YOU LIVE, BUT CALL ME 623 455.3588

      1. @Troy, the last time you asked after a .38 or 9mm you were in a big hurry. On 6 August 2017, you wrote, “I need a compact 9mm or 38 for self defense asap my home was broken into and I dont have time to wait and jump through loops. I am looking for a fast private cash sale if somebody can help me please email me.”
        You could have bought a couple dozen pistols, legal hoops and all, by now. I don’t think that you were really in a hurry. So why do you want to find a seller that is willing to help you avoid legal hoops?

          1. New to the sight, normally keep to my own business but i feel pressed to add this….”If it smells like it could be bad then most likely it’s bad, throw it out!” By the way looking for a used kimber gold combat or Springfield trp rl, in good to excellent cond,1911 .45. Will consider new if price is right.

        1. at the time I was very upset. Im not atf and if you had your home robbed and all your personal things taken you wuod be upset too. I got what I needed without waiting weeks.

      2. Any one know how i get a hand gun in Canada? Do i take the chance to hope it clears customs or????? My family is being threatened on a constant basis by gang members to join and were scared in our own home and evertime we have to go out. Police can’t and won’t do anything until as is normal until they kill one of my boys or my wife or daughter. If anyone has an info i would be greatful. This i no joke for me so i would appreciate real input please! I will take the chance of being arrested! I would rather that than let them bury one of my kids or wife.

    7. I have a AR 15 with tripod and scope. Like new $1400. I also have a new soft carrying case with compartments for extra magazines $250. I also have a shotgun like new 12 gauge $275.00. I need to raise money to help a missionary who was in a car accident overseas. She is on life support please help. I will throw in shells for the AR 15. I also have 3 magazines. Contact me VIA: email. Buy all three and lets deal. Christmas is coming. You must show proof of drivers license and CWP. I will pay for shipping once your money clears. Cash, money gram or local check only

      1. Do you still have the shotgun? I’d like to know more about it. You say, “all 3”. You mention an AR, and a shotgun, what’s the 3rd? I am not a gun enthusiast. I simply want to be able to protect myself and my family, if necessary. I don’t want to spend a lot of money, but could be interested in a safe, reliable means of self protection. Like your shotgun, for example.

    8. I am starting a night job next week taking care of construction machinery, and have no time to wait for paper work and for everything additional to that, I’m working out in the country so am scared of mountain lions ,coyotes ect so I need sumthing( don’t really care about looks) for protection out there I have 300 in hand

          1. YOU ARE WELCOME, I STILL HAVE IT AND I WILL GIVE YOU SOME 9MM BULLETS
            ALL I NEED FROM YOU IS TO CALL ME 623 455 3588 IF INTEESTED CALL ME NOW.

        1. @Rey, I think that it was clever of you to check on this guy so many months later. It sounds like a BATFE trap to me or some kind of ambush set up. I do find it interesting that you reply to a Alex Perez missive, and someone calling themselves Joshua responds with a “no paperwork” lure. Interesting turn of events.

      1. ALEZ I WISH I COULD SELL YOU MY GUN FOR $ 300.00 ,WELL IF YOU CAN COME UP WITH $ 359.00
        YOU WILL GET AN ALMOST NEW SCCY CPX-2 WITH SIX MAGAZINES,A KIDEX HOLSTER AND IT HASNOT SLIP GRIPS,IT ALL COSTME MORE THAN $ 472.00,I ANNOT LOSE MORE THAN $ 113.00
        IF YOU CARE TO CALL ME 623 455 3588

    9. I need a compact 9mm or 38 for self defense asap my home was broken into and I dont have time to wait and jump through loops. I am looking for a fast private cash sale if somebody can help me please email me. I live just outside of boston.

      1. I HAVE A LIKE NEW SCCY CPX-2 DUAL TONE WITH SIX MAGAZINES,NEW KIDEX HOLSTER,NEW NO SLIP GRIPS GREAT GUN PLEASE CALL ME 623 455 3588 THIS GUN COST ME MORE THAN $ 450.00 I WILL SALE
        IT FOR $ 350 .00

      2. I have the solution for you A LIKE NEW SCCY CPX-2 WITH SIX MAGAZINES A KIDEX HOLSTER NON SLIP GRIPS
        10 PLUS ONE RUNDS GREAT GUN FOR SELF DEFENCE I COULD MAIL IT TO YOU BUT YOUPAY FOR SHIIPPING THE GUN IS DUAL TONE. PLEASE CALL ME 623 455 3588 I WILLTELL YOU MORE

    10. Repeal the 1968 GCA. I live in the gun loving upper northeast. I am 69 yrs old. In early 1969 I walked into a Van Nuys gun store selected a cheap 22 revolver for $10 used. I filled out a form but never was asked for ID. I could have said John Doe. I was going to school and walked out with gun. I didn’t wait 2 weeks!…Was that the law then? Others say no but I think it was regulated by the county of residence. Anyway don’t count antiques out! pre 1899 solid frame revolvers are sought.I restore and repair for the hobbyists. Ammo is around on line even black powder. People regularly buy 50 lbs for ammo. Hobby cannons and fireworks without a blink. Black powder is safer for your health. The smokeless can make u sick. Anyway.I have several antique revolvers in 38-32-22 for sale. Many truckers buy my old guns plus the cowboy ‘re-enactors..Some are S&W.H&R. I also buy and repair Boston bulldog, Over Johnson.Otis A Smith. Hopkin Allen. Pump 22.

      1. I know your post is a year old but doesn’t hurt to ask. I’m also in North east., I want a revolver, used is totally fine. Preferably something small. 38 maybe. I don’t know a whole lot about guns i just want some home protection especially since I have my first kid on the way!!

    11. I, myself am a veteran of OIF I,II,IV, V, VIII ,IX and X as well as Korea’96, Somalia, Haiti , and Kosovo(missed Bosnia) ….have over 3,000 flight hours (uh60 blackhawks) and am looking for a judge 3″magnum OR 2 3/4 45 colt/ 410 and a lever action 45/70 and a 22 magnum rifle….don’t want the govt involved. Have cash and am a 100% disabled veteran. ..5754956158 or [email protected]

      1. @larry, Thank you for your service. Turn from the internet to your local gun club, there is always someone that is selling something from their private collection or knows someone that has what you are looking for, and you would be buying from someone that you know. At a gun show, there is always someone that is selling from their personal collection, but you are not buying from someone that you know.

        1. Hello sir…my name is Larry and I am a proud veteran of OIF, Korea and several other campaigns around the world. I just wanted to say that I fully and totally agree with you about the ol’ black powder guns and really have, especially of late, been looking at getting into the smaller calibers like. 22-32 or even 38 caliber revolvers cause they seem to have enough punch for self-defense purposes around the house- especially now that the wife and I have decided to buy our new home in Indiana-so close to Chicago (within 40 miles) and as dangerous as everything has gotten.
          Anyways, I recently had a VERY low serial number .22 caliber Ruger Bearcat taken from my home and I was heartbroken because I got it from my Dad who got it from his dad and I was gonna pass it down to my granddaughter as an heirloom. It really meant alot to me and there’s no way I can recover it…anyways, sir, if you would happen to have anything like these small caliber revolvers or even black powder revolver rifles, why I’d certainly be interested. My email is [email protected].
          Thank you very much sir,
          Larry S.
          P.s. You can see one of my old comments below

          1. yes I will absolutely, please email me or call 623 455 3588,i need to know where you live
            I will tell you all about the gun ,I know you will b very happy
            I am giving you 6 magazine a custom holster, new applied non slip grips. the price
            is $ 359.00,it cost me for all you are getting $ 472.00 with tax, YOU WILL BE SAVING
            AND GETTING A GREAT GUN. PLEASE LET MEKNOW WHEREYOU LIVE

    12. You all know what the gov. wants,,I don’t know what to say to a person when they say things like “”OH it just needs to be more reg that’s all,,well give em an inch and they take a mile,,they will come up with a bill that will be a foot high,,and if you think for one second that anyone can read it and remember it I don’t know what planet your on.THEY WANT OUR GUNS!!!get it in your heads.just a month ago a man in a mall in Minn with a knife went on a rampage and cut up a lot of people and thank god there was an off dudy cop to take him out.if they don’t have guns they will use knives,,kbooms,,poison and the list goes on..Its a mental health issue. by the way I am looking for a 223 bush or what ever its for my 17 year old son for hunting with me only,,he will not have access to it,,thats another thing 18,,,,21 is way to young for a kid to have a firearm at hand

      at his or her disposle. Capt.Ron Lee U.S.M.M. PS that gental man Gary beleaves that all reg,s on guns are well lets just say UN-AMERICAN !!!!! [email protected]

      1. @Ron Lee: Have to resectfuliy disagree I received my first .22 for Christmas when I was 10, my 12 ga double for Christmas when I was 12. Was taught responsibility, care and feeding. Dad never regretted his decision and was quite proud of how I turned out. If I ever had a doubt one just needed to listen to his voice when he introduced his son to his friends. We start teaching hunter safety at age 8 both my son and daughter aced the course at that age. I think it would be cruel to teach them at that age then tell them you cant have one till your 18+.

    13. Looking for a Mossberg 500 tactical persuader shotgun 12 G for protection of my home and family. Will pay cash
      678 978 3320 Ed
      P.S. I live in Atlanta Georgia

    14. All gun laws are unconstitutional and any government that enforces them are in Gross Violation of Oath of Office. The most grossly unconstitutional law is the misdemeanor Domestic violence and using the has been langue. This question was asked in Voisine v. United States: Justice Thomas was particularly enlivened by the specific topic of this case. Gun possession – a topic on which he (joined by Justice Scalia) is known to feel strongly about, and about which he recently wrote in a December dissent from denial of certiorari. In Friedman v. Highland Park, Justice Thomas contended that “[t]here is no basis for a different result [in analyzing governmental actions] when our Second Amendment precedents are at stake.” So yesterday: “One question. . . . [T]his is a misdemeanor violation. It suspends a constitutional right. Can you give me another area where a misdemeanor violation suspends a constitutional right?” “I – I’m thinking about that,” hesitated Eisenstein – unsurprisingly, not only because it is a difficult (but not unanswerable) question. There is no other misdemeanor law or violation that suspends a constitutional right.

    15. I think it stupid how tight they run the background if you have a few traffic tickets they will deny you its bullsh*t I want a AR15 /5.56 or a AK 47

        1. Hey do you still have that 9mm I am in Las Vegas I will love to talk to you about it if you don’t have it I am looking for something just like that Glock 9 mm bill bec something just like that Glock 9 mm baby Glock 9mm or 380 or a 45 you can call me at 4098545

          1. Want to buy 38 special lite or 357 + p for home and car protection. Have .22 Mag semi auto, feel it’s not enough hitting power for the kind of nut balls running around out there.
            Warning to the nut balls!!!!!! You come into my home or car and I won’t shoot you center mass. I will Gut shoot you and even a little lower. Get my drift criminals? I’ll blow your balls off, you won’t go forth and multply then.

      1. MIKE I HAVE A LIKE NEW SCYY CPX-2 9MM PISTOL ,SIX MAGAZINES,A KIDEX NEW HOLSTER,DUAL TONE
        NON SLIP GRIPS GREAT GUN, IT COST ME ABOUT $ 472.00 WITH TAX,I WILL SELL FOR $ 359.00.
        LIFE TIME NO QUESTION GUARANTEE. IF INTERESTED PLEASE CALL ME 623 455 3588

      2. IF INTERESTED I HAVE A LIKE NEW SCCY CPX-2 9MM WITH 6 MAGAZINES,KIDEX HOLSTER,STAINLE SLIDE
        NON SLIP GRIPS LIFE TIME GUARANTEE THIS IS A GREAT SELF DEFENCE WEPON FOR $ 359.00
        CALL ME 623 455 3588

    16. I would like to buy an AR15 LOWER. I’m trying to build my own rifle from scratch. Any size though combo lower would be better.. Thanks Fred 754 264 2143

    17. IVE HAD MY 2nd AMENDMENT RIGHT VIOLATED BY OUR LOCAL SO CALLED LAW ENFORCEMENT AND JUDICIAL SYSTEM ,THESE SO CALLED MUTHA F*&^%$$ STOLE MY FIREARMS ,HELL I WAS YOUNG AND SCARED ,MAD ECT ,ITHOUGHT IT WAS A JOKE. NOW YEARS LATER I FIND OUT WHAT I SHOULD OF DONE ,AND THE VIOLATION OF MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS WERE BROKEN , I HAVE A VERY ,VERY VINDICTIVE MIND SET THAT I CONTROL EVERYDAY!! BUT YA KNOW GOD FORGIVE THEM ,FORGIVE ME OF THE THOUGHTS IVE HAD ,IHAVE A STORY TO TELL THATS AMAZING GOD BLESS US ALL !!!!!!!!!

    18. looking for a medium size 380. or 9mm. cash .need for home protection and target practice. Don’t want any hoops to jump threw.

    19. LOOKING FOR 357 , 45. SKS, OR AK GOT CASH 515-612-5375 THANKS . JUST NEED PROTECTION FOR MY FAMILY AND FOR THE GOVERMENT NOT TO NO !!!

    20. I need a .22 l.r. rifle used any deals?if so im in sacramento,ca. 95815 not picky long as it don’t jam.for target practice #9167069160#call me if ya got one to trade or?$thanks

    21. Can anyone point to a legal case wherein a person was found either criminally or civilly culpable for selling a gun to a stranger in a state where that is legal? Can anyone cite a legal case where a person was exonerated from criminal or civil culpability because he had the buyer fill out a homemade form?

    22. Hi,

      I need to get a gun now because IM handling some problem property starting tomorrow.

      I don’t have time to wait weeks for the guns and ammo to get back in stock and then more weeks for all the other paper work and additional wait time they want.

      I would like to get a revolver 357 with at least 6 rounds.

      I have a 1000.00$ dollars ready to go.

      Best Regards
      Sincerely,
      Ted
      650-325-9861

      1. I have a 357 Ruger Blackhawk with packmeyer grips with the shoulder holster for $650.00 Reply via email if interested.

      2. I know someone who can sell a S&W 38 sw Rev.for $300.Can’t include ammo. Its a great gun.can’t miss at 15 feet. Its old. Legal to mail.

    23. I am a former Marine Sgt, attached to 1st Battalion/7 Marines. I trained for over 8 years and carried an m1911 lock and loaded and was trained in the use of Deadly Force. I received 4 Rifle expert awards for marksman ship. Dealt with 50 cals, grenade launchers, kabars, bayonets, laws you nameit . But here I stand in the Island of Puerto Rico stripped of all my rights and cannot get a permit to carry even a knife let alone a pistol or revolver or an AR15 or a shotgun. I can’t even get one for home defense to protect my family. And home envasions are big here like car jacking is. You see is not within the monetary means of the commoner to acquire a permit, I have to file that’s $200.00 wait 6 months to a year for an answer which may not come, hire a lawyer to acompany me to the courts to have a look over by the judge and a wiat for a conclusion to be drawn which adds high expenditures into the thousands and then I may not even get the permit. If I do I have to take a safety class, been there done that, then join a shooting range club, been there done that, which also cost alot of money plus fork out the cash for the weapon or weapons of my chose. There are no civil right here although it is a COMMONWEALTH OF THE USA and falls under Federal Jurisdiction. Violence is astronomical people are scared to come out at nite. Which force people to break the law and acquire a weapon through the black market, puttin at risk his or hers liberty and being fined, I thought the whole idea of our fore fathers was liberty the right to bear arms? The only people here that are armed to the tea are the deliquents, drug dealers thieves, rappest, gangs organized crime and the police who are all corrupt.

      So much for time served defending liberty and justice for all for which it stands in a pile
      of bullshit for all civilians and US citizens.

      You may ask well why would you want to live in Puerto Rico, I don’t but as a disabled Marine and with the amount of funds I receive each month I barely get buy. What’s wrong with this picture. “And we the people bla bla bla is nothing but a farce. And I bought into it.
      SEMPER FI to my former Marines and those serving.

      1. Move to the Philippines you will be much better off. The way things are going in America if Hillary get elected it will be just like Puerto Rico. Sorry to hear about you being disabled from your services, God be will you and God Save America.

    24. I’m looking for an auto rifle[ both semi and auto cpapable]. I’m liscensed in Florida to carry. Have extensive training as a combat paratrooper in Nam 65-66. Is this possible? Also will need the ammo if you want. A 9mm type would be prefered so my handguns can share ammo but not a dealbreaker. 239-682-6803

    25. I remember before all the gun control bull started , a person could walk into an Army Navy store and buy an M-1, M-14 or a .45 automatic extremely cheap I think the M-14s were maybe 75 bucks , no waiting period give the guy the money and walk out with your Army surplus firearm. There wasn’t people being gunned down in high schools, or roberys back then either . I think politcs have got so many rules that people are getting a little nuts. Lighten up Big Government lets get back to where big brother didn’t worry about the advrage man on the street or how much he was making . Gun control is like the war on drugs you dummies are wageing , All you managed to do is drive the prices up so much that everyone wants what they can’t have and the guys at the top (the cartels) don’t want things legalized, because it would put them out of business and save the taxpayer billions on a lostr cause you will never win .

      1. I would like to have that 45 what would you like for it I’m disable I can’t talk at all they cut out my tung and voice box to so I can’t yell for help at all my name is Bobby text me is the only way I can talk I will come to you text me please and let me know something about it thank you for your time and you have a bless day sir 904 402 0014

      2. Damn ,,,sorry brother my whole family is military execpt for me.. i wish i could help! Breaks my heart to hear this… i saw some guy riding his bike in the rain with a big piece of lumber .. pulled over gave him a ride.. i almost positive he was house sqauting…. ex marine… omg our government is full of shit!!! God bless you!!

    26. I an a disabled veteran, I can’t believe how much trouble I’m getting trying to buy a firearm
      !!!!!
      WHY? I have millitary training shot a M2 50cal
      fully auto, a mark 19 gernade fully auto, and carried a 9mm beretta,m-4 fully auto with 3 round burst. WHY am I having so much trouble

      1. From what I understand if the seller at a show is not an FFL dealer they do not have to do all that. It is considered a private sale and nothing further has to be done in Wisconsin, I don’t know if that is all states or just particular States.

      2. First Why is this old post up ?
        Second Wow a fully auto grenade launcher ??
        Suspicious , maybe that’s why you had trouble .

      3. ADAM FIRST OF ALL THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE,I AM VICTOR A FORMER ARMED SECURITY SPECIALIST AND INVESTIGATOR,DO TO YOUR CONDITION IT WOULD BE AN HONOR TO SELL TO YOU WHAT I HAVE,,A LIKE NEW DUAL TONE SCCY WITH SIX MAGAZINES A KIDEX HOLSTER AND LIFE TIME GUARANTEE WITH NO QUESTIONS. IF IN ETERESTED CALL ME 623 455 3588

    27. Hey, the writer of this article would make a great communist or socialist (democrat or republican). Just an outstanding supporter of gun control. I would say someone like this would be uninformed but that would be stupid on my part as this is obviously written by someone who hates the constitution and all it stands for. BATFE operative would be my guess.

      1. LOL … FYI Jeff Knox is definitely not a communist and is in fact a great supporter of the Constitution and the second amendment. You may disagree but calling him an ATF operative is a huge insult to the man.

    28. “A good form is like an abbreviated 4473. It informs the buyer of the legal requirements while it asks them disqualifying questions and collects identifying information. The seller keeps the part with the drivers license number and signature, the buyer gets a part with the sellers ID as a receipt, and the gun show checks receipts at the door. Nobody else gets a copy.”

      So now the seller has a key piece of your personal identification information and an easy to scan/copy version of your signature. You better hope they choose to not make use of it when stopped by the police, shopping online, etc.

      This is only one small step better than the 4473 form, and the whole GCA is one of many things we need our new legislature in 2010 to work on.

    29. To Mr. Krebs et al:

      Neither my brother Jeff nor I, nor does The Firearms Coalition as a body “support” the 1968 Gun Control Act. Jeff and I know more than most people about GCA ’68 and I can state categorically that the 1977 Cincinnati Revolt had precious little to do with it. That NRA members’ uprising did indeed lead to the reforms of the law embodied in the 1986 McClure-Volkmer Firearms Owners Protection Act which was written at Dad’s conference table with his guidance, but the Gun Control Act was not the primary motivation in Cincinnati.

      Complying with a law is not the same as opposing it politically.

      Violating a federal law with felony penalties as a protest is a risky and irresponsible, not to mention futile, form of protest. It’s risky and irresponsible because it can land you in jail leaving your family destitute; futile because, being a federal felony, you aren’t going to make it public. So the protest is the political equivalent of a single tree falling in a forest.

      Complying with the law does not imply agreement with its provisions.

      Chris Knox

    30. I would simply like to be able to purchase whatever gun I please…whenever I please…wherever I please…with 6 grandsons growing up nd living here in the country in California, it sucks that the laws prohibit me from buying, and teaching my Grandsons, how to hunt or just target shoot.

      So I had a beef 25years ago…so what…why does the Law think they can take control away from me because of one mistake…They want to change generations…It just isn’t right…at what point do they believe somebody has actually become responsible again?…according to them…never…and that my gun owner friends is wrong!
      Makes me want to leave this state…and move into another where I can actually own a gun to protect, hunt, or whatever I would like…Blessings

    31. All of the laws you cited are patently unconstitutional, read that ILLEGAL. Each person will have to decide how he will deal with that conundrum. For me, obeying unconstitutional laws is to become another sheep for the traitorous tyrants who passed them. Therefor, I will not obey them.

    32. I must agree with the above comment Repeal the 1968 Gun Control Act.

      Jeff Knox it was your father that lead the revolt at the NRA convention in 1978 over the NRA’s compromise on the 1968 GCA.

      Gun control doesn’t work and playing games with our rights is wrong.

    33. Dear Mr. Knox;

      Repeal the 1968 gun control act, quit supporting it. Your, “trying to meet them half way attitude” is sickening.

      Sincerely,

      Howard Krebs

      1. Well I don’t know about anybody else but I think our right to bear arms is slowly but surely being taken away from us and I believe that the right is an American citizen to bear arms if they take our guns away only criminals will have guns and then where are we I just think we need to reevaluate our Bill of Rights because slowly but surely it’s being taken away

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