ATF Careerist Turned Giffords Spokesflack Proposes Evisceration of 2nd Amendment

If ATF retiree-turned-gungrabber flack David Chipman would mislead us on the types of guns he had access to, what else does he say that merits a closer look? (ATF Week in Photos 12 February 2016)

USA – -(Ammoland.com)- “David Chipman, a retired Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) agent, on Monday said AR-15 rifles should be regulated like machine guns,” The Hill recounted Monday in an advocacy piece exploiting the Tree of Life synagogue murders, Sandy Hook, Las Vegas and Parkland, all dressed up like “news.”

“What I support is treating them just like machine guns,” Chipman asserted. “To me, if you want to have a weapon of war, the same gun that was issued to me as a member of [the] ATF SWAT team, it makes sense that you would have to pass a background check, the gun would have to be in your name, and there would be a picture and fingerprints on file.”

ATF SRT has select fire capabilities, but this is an old deceptive tactic that goes back to the Violence Policy Center’s Josh Sugarmann, who noted in 1988:

“The weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons—anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun—can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons. In addition, few people can envision a practical use for these guns.”

There would also be more required by such a new Intolerable Act than Chipman admits to. There would be a transfer tax and registration in the notoriously unreliable National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record. There’s no reason to believe that bans on guns manufactured after a certain date (like the post-1986 machine gun ban) would not also be imposed. With the Trump administration’s proposed “bump stock” ban, gun-grabbers will have all the precedent they need to order gun owners to dispose of their property. And if government can mandate all that for semiautomatic rifles, why would functionally identical semiautomatic pistols be exempted?

After all, they didn’t used to call the Brady Campaign Handgun Control, Inc. and the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence the National Campaign to Ban Handguns for nothing.

That, of course, is another piece of what Chipman and the gun-grabbers he works for want, as does the supportive DSM. They’re hoping by couching plans for bans in terms of “reasonable commonsense gun safety laws” that enough ignorant Americans will allow themselves to be swindled out of their rights.

Weapons of war” were precisely what the Founders intended the militia, comprised from “the whole people,” to have when they showed up for muster to become “well regulated” as a coordinated body able to stand and prevail against professional soldiers. The right to keep and bear such arms is what they declared “shall not be infringed,” meaning prior restraints, permissions and bans are supposed to be off the table.

“Like, I don't think you should be able to anonymously purchase 20 AR-15s at one time, and the government shouldn't know,” Chipman added to his list of infringements, as if someone caught doing that wouldn’t face unlicensed dealer and/or trafficking charges.

It’s no surprise he’d supplement his pension working for Gungrabby Gabby as a “senior policy advisor.” Prior to that Chipman was a spokesflack for Michael Bloomberg, and also did a stint for ShotSpotter, a great way for cities to spend tax plunder on something that “produces few tangible results” but makes it look like the political class is “doing something” about “gun violence.”

Chipman is also the guy who, several years back, had one of the more ludicrous and over-the-top objections to the Tracking Point rifle system, “a new rifle-scope combo that uses laser range-finding, environmental and motion sensors, and a sophisticated computer system” to facilitate precision long-range shots. Here's what he wanted people to believe:

“This technology potentially enables any two bit criminal to operate with the skills of a highly trained sniper.”

Right. Any “two bit criminal” can get his hands on $17K for bolt action systems and from $7K to $16K for semiautomatic systems. That these products have been available for years since and that there has not been one instance of a “two bit criminal” even having one, let alone using one, is a pretty good indicator of the shameless hyperbole Chipman employs.

So it’s not surprising that there were other ATF careerists who viewed him as a self-serving opportunist (at best).

CleanUpATF is a website that provides a forum for disaffected current and former ATF employees concerned with agency waste, abuse, corruption and fraud. My colleague the late Mike Vanderboegh and I had been monitoring it for years, and in 2009 we tried to get the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform to hold hearings on their allegations, to determine if they were just the gripes of disgruntled employees or if they were legitimate concerns being raised by the guys in the field about top-level corruption and incompetence.

I wish Oversight had listened, because an investigation may have precluded the post from December, 2010, picked up by Mike, and that was a thread we pulled to unravel  the deadly and cynical Operation Fast and Furious “gunwalking” criminal enterprise. If the committee had done its job and that had been uncovered in time, there’s a good chance we’d not know the name Brian Terry, at least in relation to being a murder victim with a family still desperately looking for accountability and justice.

Since the original CUATF lead and subsequent information provided by whistleblowers was borne out, it would behoove us all, and especially House Oversight, to at least look into what was alleged about Chipman before he retired:

“When it was brought to the Bureaus attention that Chipman had tried to grease the skids for former ASAC Stankoweicz(sp), the 5th floor was outraged and tanked the contract offer for someone who had so blatantly and publicly disgraced the Bureau. That did not prevent him from sliding into some other non Bureau contracted position. The problem is, that Chipman has been manipulating the Bureau sponsored contractor to pad the BQL with friends. The net effect is that the truly qualified people are not being considered for the positions. It has also been stated that Chipman has delivered HIS version of the BQLs for these contract positions, demanding his buddies be placed at the top of the list. Yep fraud. That simple. Yep the 5th floor knows.”

That's a strong word. And just to clarify, that’s where the Director’s Suite 500 is located.

I don’t pretend to fully understand the details, and I'm assuming “BQL” as used here refers to a “Best Qualified List.” An ancillary discussion suggests the reference is to showing favoritism, including for an executive colleague said in that conversation to have been at the center of a sexual harassment settlement. A “Professionalism in ATF” thread at CUATF offers a further claim into who Chipman is alleged to have “tried to grease the skids for”:

“Stankiewicz literally got caught trying to pull down his pants on Intel GS [name redacted here] during the Coatesville Serial Arson case [the same case which made national headlines].”

Especially in light of recent #MeToo developments where it’s insisted that such past actions have present relevance, it would be appropriate for Oversight to determine the truth of all allegations. It would also be appropriate – now that the gun-grab groups have advanced him as their resident expert and the media (based on Google News feed hits), consider Chipman a go-to-guy for quotes – for “real reporters” to look into this. Realistically, based on past experience, that seems unlikely.

What has Oversight got to lose by at least looking into the CUATF allegations?


About David Codrea:David Codrea
David Codrea is the winner of multiple journalist awards for investigating / defending the RKBA and a long-time gun owner rights advocate who defiantly challenges the folly of citizen disarmament.
In addition to being a field editor/columnist at GUNS Magazine and a contributor to Firearms News, he blogs at “The War on Guns: Notes from the Resistance,” and posts on Twitter: @dcodrea and Facebook.

  • 61 thoughts on “ATF Careerist Turned Giffords Spokesflack Proposes Evisceration of 2nd Amendment

    1. @ExGob; You are totally correct about The Gun Grabbers, all they want to do is to take away our right to defend ourselves as granted by the Second Amendment, they could care less about the criminal factor, besides most of them don’t even have a High School Education, which makes them super scholars, as you are right, they just have to sit back and wait for the gun grabbers to pass enough laws to take our guns away, then the criminal factors just move in and we have no way to defend or protect ourselves, brings to mind Biden’s remark if we have a shotgun if we have one, fire a couple of rounds in the air and that will discourage them, RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!! The major thing is that the criminals could give a squat less about any law on the books now or anytime later they will have guns!!!!!! @Rock you are right about A/R Armalite Rifle never has been out to the public as a military weapon, only a semi-auto fires one shot with one trigger pull, also it is easier for news media to change Armalite Rifle to their liking of A/R (Assault Rifle) Isn’t that true????????

    2. When, if ever, will the anti-gunners come to the realization that every law and every word against gun ownership and/or possession is an asset to every criminal and every potential criminal? Gun restrictions apply only to the law abiding because criminals don’t give a damn about the law. But they are concerned about resistance from their victims and they love it when that ability to resist is lessened by laws and other gun restrictions. Obviously the criminal is smarter than the anti-gunner.

    3. Just another federal pensionist fool who remembered everything and learned nothing. The “F” in atf expressly violates the 2nd amendment, and this individual is advocating even more of it.

    4. I own a 1911 pistol which, by its serial number, was manufactured in 1918 … during or at the end of WWI. Is this a semi-automatic weapon of war which needs to be treated as a threat to society?

      There’s a problem when ignorant people start assigning labels to objects. They don’t know what they’re talking about, and they sweep too widely to be taken seriously.

      1. When reporting about handgun crimes, mainstream state media now refers to them as “semi automatic” handguns.
        Without question, the talking heads have received the current memo of sophistry propaganda.
        It’s the same word game that morphed ‘illegal aliens’ to
        ‘undocumented immigrants’, to ‘migrants’, to ‘undocumented citizens’.

      2. Even as both the Gifford’s exercise their Second Amendment rights now and Carry Kimber 1911’s they are still gun grabbers that want ours ,,but They gonna keep their’s/Pray for Florida that the Commies don’t get IN. 1776

    5. @RoyD Hitler, Stalin, Mao’s, Hillary! @TionicoRight on about the 10/22’s what about al of the other Semi-Autos out there? @JonR; Waco don’t forget Ruby Ridge! @JeffMason; Right about brain damage making serious decisions affecting large populous of people, think about this; Spencer, Kennedy, and McCain, spent so much time in office that they died of Brain Cancer? Was it really that or was it BRAIN ROT or just plain didn’t want to give up that power??? Very sorry about Gillford getting shot same as Brady, but still trying to do away with the 2nd Amendment! @DAVECADWELL; Great History Lesson to bad they don’t teach it in school anymore!!!!! @Kevin, if you read all of Bill’s comment it was uninformed not uniform. @pod; Your right it is getting out of hand, about just point the finger, say something, or look at somebody they think they don’t like and they will take them all away!!!!!! @ Wild Bill; Your right about what they will unleash against the populace upon a rising, it will have to be done much the same as Nam!!!!!

    6. While respecting firearms enforcement, there probably are some honorable men and women agents who are plainly pissed at the antics of their agency, there are altogether to many at operational and management levels who, putting it in plain English, are not worth the matches it would take to set them alight. Same applies unfortunately to Department of Justice, which seemingly has adopted the ATF.

    7. A few quotes from the Framers and other individuals of note, read and head:

      “A Government that does not trust its law abiding citizens to keep and bear arms, is itself, unworthy of trust.” –James Madison, chief wordsmith of the Constitution

      “Any government that would attempt to disarm its people is despotic; and any people that would submit to it deserve to be slaves.”- Stephen F. Austin, 1835

      “The historical reality of the Second Amendments protection of the right to keep and bear arms is not that it protects the right to shoot deer. It protects the right to shoot tyrants, and it protects the right to shoot at them effectively, with the same instruments they would use upon us.” –Judge Andrew Napolitano, Molon Labe

      “Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom? Congress shall have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American … The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the People.”-TENCH COXE, 1788

      “This year will go down in history. For the first time a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient and the world will follow our lead into the future.” -ADOLF HITLER, 1935

      “The attitude of people associating guns with nothing but crime, that is what has to be changed. I grew up at a time when people were not afraid of people with firearms.”-SUPREME COURT JUSTICE ANTONIN SCALIA

      “The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be necessary until they try to take it.” -THOMAS JEFFERSON

      “I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.” – George Mason, Co-author of the Second Amendment during Virginia’s Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788

      “To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them.”– Richard Henry Lee, American Statesman, 1788

      “As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow-citizens, the people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private arms.” – TENCH COXE (1755–1824), writing as “A Pennsylvanian,” in “Remarks On The First Part Of The Amendments To The Federal Constitution,” in the Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789, p. 2 col. 1

      “Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence … from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurrences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference – they deserve a place of honor with all that’s good.” – George Washington, First President of the United States

      “Among the natural rights of the Colonists are these:
      First, a right to life; Secondly, to liberty; Thirdly, to property; together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner they can. These are evident branches of, rather than deductions from, the duty of self-preservation, commonly called the first law of nature…
      In short, it is the greatest absurdity to suppose it in the power of one, or any number of men, at the entering into society, to renounce their essential natural rights, or the means of preserving those rights; when the grand end of civil government, from the very nature of its institution, is for the support, protection, and defense of those very rights; the principal of which, as is before observed, are Life, Liberty, and Property.
      If men, through fear, fraud, or mistake, should in terms renounce or give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the grand end of society would absolutely vacate such renunciation. The right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of man to alienate this gift and voluntarily become a slave.” – SAMUEL ADAMS, THE RIGHTS OF THE COLONISTS

      “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” – BENJAMIN FRANKLIN, HISTORICAL REVIEW OF PENNSYLVANIA, 1759

      ABRAHAM LINCOLN Quotes, pay attention:

      “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.”

      “America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.”

      “This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it.”

      “You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.”

      “Don’t interfere with anything in the Constitution. That must be maintained, for it is the only safeguard of our liberties.” – ABRAHAM LINCOLN

    8. … shall not be infringed, unless you tick the wrong box on your tax forms & get a felony, or fail to complete your pilots license renewal form correctly & get a felony, or as a physician do any one of a thousand things wrong in completing Medicare or Medicaid claim forms or filings & get a felony. Why are all felonies reasons to infringe on your #2A rights ? Why are all Federal errors felonies rather than misdemeanors or civil infractions ? ANSWER: So the government can create another group whose Rights shall be infringed and citizens disarmed.

    9. Chapman is part of the DEMORATIC MACHINE TO OVER THROW OUR DEMOCRATIC FREE SOCIETY. PEOLE INCLUDING LIBERALS AND ALL DEMORATUC POLITICIANS NEED TO BE EXILED IMMEDIATELY BEFORE THE CHANCE OF DESTROYING OUR GREAT SOCIETY!!
      VOTE REPUBLICAN VOTE REPUBLICAN VOTE REPUBLICAN VOTE REPUBLICAN VOTE REPUBLICAN VOTE REPUBLICAN
      TRUMP2020 TRUMP2020 TRUMP2020 TRUMP2020 TRUMP2020 TRUMP2020 TRUMP2020

    10. He probably shot himself in the foot that severely damaged his brain, thus giving his support for Giffords mindset!!!!!!!

      1. I don’t want to be unkind, but Giffords was shot in the head and has a mental defect. And I do not want someone with a mental defect making my liberty decisions for me.

        If she wants to be the “poster child” for preventing insane liberals from buying guns, that would be more reasonable than what the anti-gunners are using her for today.

    11. Anyone, ANYONE who would disarm the public is either uniformed, uncaring or just plain evil. They are no different than the Taliban or any other terrorist organization except for their dress–most of the time. Peoples right to self defense is CLEARLY put forth in the BIBLE and is guaranteed by the second amendment. In order to enslave a nation, the public must be disarmed. First is the registration of people and firearms and sooner or later comes confiscation. All of this being done in small steps so as to not alert the public to the impending danger. The way to kill a frog with his happy compliance is to put it into a large put of water then put it on the stove and bring the water to a boil slowly. It will not jump out even to save it’s life–it will be cooked alive. This is what the evil people in the government’s atfe, fbi, some in congress, the house etc.. are doing. In 1936 Hitler registered guns “for a kinder, gentler nation.” Most of us know what happened next! If you disagreed with them or were of a religion they blamed for all of their troubles etc. you were either murdered on the spot or you were taken as slave labor until they saw fit to gas you dead. NEVER FORGET! This is what the second amendment is for and guards from, this is why the LORD has given mankind the right to be armed. If they want to go around unarmed, so be it. Maybe they should wear a sign saying so–like they put in school zones. Easy targets, high body counts for people of evil mind. But don’t go telling me to be unarmed, I know better. I, like many of you, took an oath to defend this nation against all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC and I still live by that oath.

      1. When people bring up Hitler’s actions I wish they would not neglect to mention “Uncle Joe’s” actions. Or Chairman Mao’s actions for that matter. All thanks to peoples thirst for power and the use of socialism/communism to obtain it. Hillary, anyone?

      2. Good post Bill but I hope you meant “uninformed” not “uniformed” as those who would deprive us of our firearms. I can’t speak for the Fed level but most local cops are on your side.

        1. Idk about that. I think they give the right answer but would snatch them from us in a hot second. Don’t forget they’re just following orders of there real boss

      3. I would like to think that the president feels the same way you do about the Oath as many others, But even the president as supposedly powerful as he is can only rid us of the Political domestic enemies the same way the rest
        of us can, and that is by the vote, Which in reality only pisses off the losers and makes them more of a threat.
        No matter which side controls the government the other side is still there paid for life by the people to try and
        regain control while doing everything they can to destroy,and disrupt the the wnning side and as of late, If the
        population sufferes and dies in the process so be it.
        The people will not ever get control of the government and the country by any means that will not destroy it in the process.
        Only the president in a silent secret coup would work, And the odds of that happening are slim to none
        as the dark side has all the power at present. Be safe and well,

    12. ALL firearms laws that throw a “blanket” over all people are unconstitutional! Only the firearms laws that are directly directed a specific acts of criminal behavior are actually legal laws.

      One has to remember that the statement “The Right … to keep and Bear ARMS Shall Not Be Infringed” was placed in the Bill of Rights to further PROTECT a natural fundamental Right of defense no different than the freedom of speech or the freedom of the press or the freedom to assemble or the Right to worship as we please!
      The Right to keep and bear ARMS is an individual Right to defend against government tyranny, against the government!

      “…That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving
      their just powers from the consent of the governed,— That whenever any Form of Government
      becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,….”
      It is OUR Right to dictate to OUR government, NOT vice versa! We are a Republic, not a democracy for a reason, to protect our Rights against any and all acts of tyranny that wish to oppress and deny us those very same Rights!

      Now, we are allowing that very same government that we have ARMS to stand up against to control those ARMS that we are to use against them and their tyranny. This is like unto our enemies dictating to us what ARMS we can have to fight against them! INSANITY!
      Bow down and kiss the feet of your master, the government, we are now slaves to the government that we once created and owned

    13. I didn’t need to read the rest of the article after the quote “weapons of war”, to know that it’s coming from a shill, a hack, that is only interested in his money/control. Like every democrat that uses this term, it’s the same story and the same character.

    14. “it makes sense that you would have to pass a background check, the gun would have to be in your name, and there would be a picture and fingerprints on file.”

      And how would that have helped in the synagogue shooting?

        1. In states where Title I guns are legally required to be registered, there’s numerous cases where the government rolls up and demands the firearms of someone they deem unfit, because reasons. The victims aren’t necessarily violent or unstable, it’s just that the sliding scale of “unfit” kicks in and the government rolls up and decides to try and take the guns. Like I’ve read about some guy in Long Island who had to surrender his guns because he was a member of a motorcycle club where two or three members did something illegal. Or in the case of a veteran who was deemed mentally unfit by a crazed relative.

          Couple this with stupid red flag laws and you have a recipe for a disaster. Your neighbor is a Democrat and hates guns so he phones in a complaint to the bitch line and it’s all over because they know you have guns and what they are.

    15. Sure the ATF knows what they are talking about. They handled Waco so well, and many more problems where they just went in and killed everyone.. It makes me feel so safe knowing that any moment they can come crashing in ,murder you and your family and say sorry when they realize how bad they messed up, it’s heart warming. NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The government already has too much say in our lives. It’s time to take away their rights.

        1. Seldom mentioned , however I understand that the ATF shot the dogs at Waco and Ruby Ridge. Why do we have an agency mixing alcohol and gunpowder. The AT should be separated form the F. Better yet do away with the F. There all sorts of agencies to handle misuse of firearms. Come to think about it, we have a lot of agencies that can oversee alcohol and tobacco quality and use without SWATs having to shoot people at all.

    16. When I worked for the DOJ it was a given that those that were with the ATF were there only because they couldn’t get on at any other DOJ Agency. So there is that. But then, I don’t have much love for the FBI either. I watched diversity destroy much of the DOJ.

      1. @Greg R, And after that we are going to use our to go get theirs. First stop will be the nearest BATFE offices where they already have a bunch of things that they think that we ought not have.

    17. The fear in government bureaucrats that the AR instills is proof that the AR fulfills a need citizens have in order to keep their government in line.

      1. Bingo /capndad -we have a winner sports fans- winner winner chicken dinner the second amendment securesThe other amendments1776

      2. When the government fears the people, you have liberty.
        When the people fear the government, you have tyranny !
        – Thomas Jefferson

      3. @Capndad, but our government is not in line. Our government is corrupt from the Congressional level down to the GS 13 level. If, God forbid, an armed revolt ever became necessary, then the AR is what would get us M16s, SAWs, tracked vehicles, A10s, and all the logistical support. The more that I think on it, the more I hope that we can drain the swamp with our vote, rather than our rope

    18. The gun grabber media loves to trot out these swamp creature, “experts” as if their opinion is more important than yours or mine.

    19. Excellent info. Not exactly surprising that a career atf bureaucrat is lying about some very basic firearm info to achieve his goals, or he is crooked and engaged in helping out a creepy perv who sexually harassed women.

    20. Another lying, paid off media whore… The FACT is that an AR (Armalite Rifle) is NOT an assault rifle, it is a semi automatic, one bullet per trigger pull, rifle. They do NOT have the select fir (full auto/semi auto/safe) switch that an actual assault rifle has.In reality, they are no different that the THOUSANDS of semi auto rifles produced before and used for hunting/recreation. The black aluminum/steel and plastic rifle designed by Stoner, “looks” SCARY to the Dem/lib BOOBS of the world, their parents should be proud, NOT ! Obviously they haven’t looked at the faces of the women they vote for……… Now THOSE are scary !

      1. There is a citizens ballot initiative in Washington State that WILL define things like the ubiquitous Ruger 10/.22 as an”assault weapon” that will be required to be registered. The “definition” of assault rifle” is so broad as to include these. How many millions are in the hands of the general public since they first came out back in, when, the 1960’s?

        1. Would be easier to clean up when they’re all in the same house,, just saying,,,Undoubtably DOJ and FBINSACIA they’re all compromised and we need to take the trash out before we can build again /Against all enemies foreign and domestic

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