Boston Mayor Wants to Require Doctors to ask if Patients own Guns

Doctors and Guns
Doctors and Guns

Boston, MA -(Ammoland.com)- Boston Mayor Martin Walsh wants to mandate that Doctors teach patients about gun safety. It appears to be another Orwellian definition. Gun safety in these circumstances seems to mean getting rid of guns. There is no mention of using known gun safety experts who have been working on the subject for decades. From bizjournals.com:

Involving doctors in gun safety: This act would require medical professionals to ask patients about guns in the home, and bring up the topics of gun safety. The goal, Boston Police Commissioner William Gross said, is to identify those at risk for domestic violence, suicide or child access to guns in order to guide people to mental health counseling, resources or other help. “We’re just asking them to help identify ways to save lives,” Gross said.

The fact that a patient owns guns would not be put in their medical record, and is not intended to have physicians help solve crimes.

Chief of Health and Human Services Marty Martinez said that while the program is already common practice at many of the city’s community health centers, legislation would broaden the program statewide.

The claim is the ownership of guns will not be put in a patients medical records. If not, how will the ownership of guns help to “guide people to mental health counseling, resources, or other help”?  Maybe the information will be stored somewhere else.

This is part of the Progressive push to medicalize all of society. Some of the first big wins of Progressives were to exclude medical issues from most Constitutional protections, in the name of “safety”.  The big issue was mandatory vaccinations. Mandatory vaccination arguably violates the First and Fourth Amendments to the Constitution.

That is the model being pushed with guns.

There are big differences. No one claims smallpox is a Constitutional right.

Half, or more, of the population understands that being armed offers many advantages to the person armed. It is why Americans tenaciously support the Second Amendment.

The tactic used by Progressives to undermine and destroy the Second Amendment is to propagandize the population into believing they are safer when they are disarmed. Rudyard Kipling had an answer to in his poem, Gods of the Copywrite Headings:

When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.
They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.
But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “Stick to the Devil you know.”

It is a longtime tactic of those who want the population disarmed.

Nearly all health journal studies about firearms have the same basic fallacy: They assume that firearms only have bad effects. They fail to consider positive effects. It is as if they tested a new treatment, and only checked to see if there were bad side effects, and never considered if the treatment worked.

Most of the health journal studies have this blind spot, because the authors have chosen to be unarmed. They do not wish to learn that being armed has positive effects. To do so would challenge their world view. People become very uncomfortable when their world view is challenged.

There is at least one study about firearms and outcomes, published in a medical journal, that did not assume firearms always resulted in bad effects. Their  finding was the increases in the legal carry of firearms had no effect on homicides or violent crime.

Requiring doctors to ask patients about gun ownership stigmatizes gun ownership. It is a way of chilling the exercise of Second Amendment rights.

Mayor Walsh is not part of the Massachusetts legislature. But he has a large influence on state politics.

Massachusetts is one of the least Second Amendment friendly states in the Union. Will the legislature require doctors to ask about gun ownership in Massachusetts?

They may. It diverts attention away from the high homicide rate in Boston.


About Dean Weingarten:Dean Weingarten

Dean Weingarten has been a peace officer, a military officer, was on the University of Wisconsin Pistol Team for four years, and was first certified to teach firearms safety in 1973. He taught the Arizona concealed carry course for fifteen years until the goal of constitutional carry was attained. He has degrees in meteorology and mining engineering, and recently retired from the Department of Defense after a 30 year career in Army Research, Development, Testing, and Evaluation.

  • 44 thoughts on “Boston Mayor Wants to Require Doctors to ask if Patients own Guns

    1. 38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].
      39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.
      Read more at https://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/watchwomanonthewall/2011/04/the-45-communist-goals-as-read-into-the-congressional-record-1963.html#bXQzuQevZtlTYPTC.99

    2. Let’s ask the doctors how many patients they killed, neglected, or abused per year. Medical abuse and malpractice kills many times more people each year than guns. Hands and feet kill more people every year than guns. So shallow. So very awkward Doctor? Let’s ask how much more the Doctor has to pay on student loans. Let’s ask the Doctor if it was better before the much heralded ‘fix’ called Obamacare was driven down our throats eh? Has the doctor ever finished a Civics Class?

      Now the high and mighty doctor has MORE paperwork to fill. Now the almighty profession wants us to forget about their own record? My My! Those so called ‘red flag laws’ look so good -bullet proof even- after the MeToo frenzy don’t they?

      Oh, by the way there’s no law against lying to these sycophants, and if there is such a situation in your state, we will welcome you to the ranks of the outlaw nation. Refuse and resist the radicals. Don’t take orders from idiots.

    3. Doc—-“Do you have any firearms?”
      Paitent— “How much money did you make last year?”
      Doc– “That’s none of your business”
      Paitent– “What kind of car do you drive”
      Doc– “Again, thats not really any of your business”
      Paitent–“You’re married aren’t you….how often do you and the wife have sex/”

      They want to ask you questions that are none of their business, respond by asking them questions that are none of your business…Then collect (all) your medical records from them and find a new doctor.

    4. Keep in mind that the American Medical Association, the American Psychiatric Association, and the American Psychological Association, the last of which just officially took the position that traditional masculine values are pathological, are ALL liberal political organizations with a virulent dislike of guns, particularly in the hands of ordinary civilians. The AMA is the official spokesman for all doctors, even though only about 25 percent of doctors are willing to join.

    5. i went to one of my specialist in december,after he checked me out he pointed to my NRA hat and asked if i was a member,i told him yes,why. he went on to tell me he just bought an ar-15,he said he’d figured he better get one while he still could. he’s a great guy,we talked about guns for a couple of minutes. when he first asked me i thought,here comes the bullshit,i was glad he didn’t turn out to be a jerkoff,he’s a good doctor,they’re not all assholes.

    6. These are the health risks from gun handling; A. Hearing damage from inadequate hearing protection.
      B. Poisoning from metal vapors/ chemical vapors from shooting, vapors and skin absorbing poisons when
      cleaning guns and handloading (to include handloading).
      C. Injury if gun blows up,
      D. Unintended injuries from:
      1. Unsafe handling.
      2. Improper storage resulting in weapons falling into
      unauthorized hands.
      A pamphlet addressing these and solutions can be easily and cheaply prepared and handed to all patents. No questions just hand pamphlet to all. Note that firearms issues are special cases of general health risks (for example, risks of handling chemicals).

    7. Government cannot compel speech, either by doctors in mandating questions or by patients who decline to answer them.

      Given the present makeup of the Supreme Court, I doubt this would survive a challenge.

    8. This is rich. Doctors teaching people about gun safety.
      I spent 15 years in the Marine Corps as an Armorer, working on every weapon from a 38 cal. to a 7.62mm mini gun.
      So to me, a doctor teaching gun safety would be like me teaching medicine.

    9. But ALL of this crap is tied into the now 100% corrupted legal system/Matrix, which is a group of men and women who commit crimes against us as a part of their job description! If you don’t want to believe that, fine, don’t believe it! However, you should check out the logic and facts at the least to see if it’s true or not. And the best way to do that, is to look up the definitions of Fraud in Black’s Law Dictionary, become fully familiar with all of them, and then see if any of them are present in the legal system/Matrix’s daily operations or not.

    10. “The fact that a patient owns guns would not be put in their medical record, and is not intended to have physicians help solve crimes.”

      That’s a lie. They put almost everything you tell them in your chart. Otherwise why would they ask? And how would they document any mental issues.

      1. When asked, act as if you are totally appalled that a Dr. would ask that a person such as yourself would even think of owning one of those evil, dangerous things. That will give you a clean bill of health AND (in their eyes) make you incapable of having any sort of “icky” disease!

    11. If a physician is willing to use his valuable time on a Q&A session to ask if a patient has any firearms, he can just as easily say, “if you have any firearms or ammunition, keep them locked up and away from children and don’t handle, shoot or clean your firearms when you are impaired”. He really doesn’t need to know if the patient has any firearms. Another option would be for the physician to post a sign on his office door and website that says, “if you come for a treatment or a consultation, I will ask you if you have any guns”. This way everyone wins – physicians get to exercise their first amendment rights, gun owners who don’t want to be discussing firearms with a physician can take their business elsewhere and patients who do will have an accommodating physician.

      The problem that no one talks about is that Obamacare has a mandate to make all records electronic and share them with other organizations and there is no telling who would have access to this information and for what purpose. If you refuse to answer a question about firearms or tell them it’s none of their business it’s not clear how these responses would be noted in your file, which will follow you for the rest of your life even if you change doctors. Any answer (or lack of an answer) other than no could serve as a red flag to some person or organization who is reviewing your file as part of a process to determine who has guns. I can envision reviews being conducted to correlate gun ownership with firearm homicides or accidents (a CDC favorite), or to determine which firearm owners have insurance (an insurance company favorite) or to compile a registry of how many guns are in civilian hands and who owns them (a BATF favorite).

      If your doctor asks about firearms and you find this offensive, you can do three things: 1) File an official complaint with the State Licensing Board about the doctor’s boundary violation. 2) Report the doctor to their insurance company for “practicing under their coverage, in a professional capacity, outside of their field of certification”. 3) Post a review on Internet sites that allow you to rate and comment on physicians. Between the loss of a license and/or insurance and business, this should help weed out activist doctors with an anti-gun agenda. In my state a formal complaint filed with the licensing board remains on a doctor’s license record even if the complaint is dismissed.

    12. I wonder how many doctors would be uncomfortable asking this question. Like those of us who don’t like government trying to pry itself into every nook and cranny of our lives, doctors may be feeling the same. “Just let me practice medicine the best way that I know how!” may be the sentiment of some. Additionally, what qualifications do medical staff possess in order to handle the answers to such questions? Little to none I would think. When patients feel that they are at risk of may be a risk themselves, a social worker is generally called into play: Tell me that won’t lead to some type of government records or even confiscation of your weapon.

    13. Americans who own firearms have a long memory of what happened to the people who did not own firearms! Taking the doctors’ advise on guns can be very dangerous to your health, possibly fatal! Get a second opinion from a qualified professional!

    14. All people need to do is say “no I don’t have any” to any gun question and change the subject back to the matter at hand, the reason you’re there your health. Make this anti-gun Mayors gun control a failure from the start.

      1. We all know that coppers are special people in that if WE lie to THEM we can be criminally charged for lying to a copper.
        Who knows whether the same sick logic mightn’t be applied to doctors? I the state, under colour of law, deputises them to ask about possession of guns, what stops them from making false statements to their deputies a crime?

        Further, it would be a simple matter for some grubbermunt hooh hah to simply enquire of the local sheriff whether a given patient has bee granted the Mother May I Card to carry your handgun about with you. Knowing you have one, and said you did not own guns, would put you clearly in their sights for trouble.

        Any doc asking me about that kind of stuff would be met with questions about his own qualifications to be asking about firearms….. HIS level of training, certification, experience, etc, with firearms. If he has none, I’d simply inform him he is not qualified to be querying me about them, and I’d prefer he kept his examination and questions limited to addressing the matter at hand, that for which I am there for his expertise.

        1. I’d still say “no I don’t have any” to any gun question from the LEO and change the subject back to the matter at hand, the reason you were stopped or being questioned without a lawyer present.

    15. The proper answer is ‘What business is that of your’s?’ If it’s pressed start asking them questions like ‘How’s your sex life going?’ Continue until they get the message!

    16. Sort of IRONIC isn’t it… There are more people killed by doctors yearly than by guns. Maybe gun owners should be asked if they have DOCTORS !!!!!!!!!!!
      The ASSHOLE mayor needs to mind his own Dem/lib business.

      1. There is no accountability in the medical profession. The negligence and don’t care attitude is rampant. But do they ever get in trouble? No hardly ever. My wife is a APRN. She sees it all the time. I hear the horror stories. They cover for each other like lawyers and cops. Always question your provider about your care otherwise there is no telling what will happen to you.

    17. Read the “Warning for Americans-A Message from a South African at https://rense.com/general24/message.htm. This was very eye opening for me, which although I know what is happening here in America, I never placed the two cultures side by side. This leftist crap has destroyed more Countries then can be counted. We so far have been able to hold back the tide, but I am afraid it has now fully arrived, full grown and hungry. Take care friends.

      1. VERY interesting and pertinent stuff.
        I remember Robert Mugabe and Nelson Mandela, and their criminal acts and subsequent rise to power. Mandela should have been imprisoned for life, or perhaps even executed…. but then, “that’s not the humane thing to do”, is it? Oh, wait a minute…. allowing him continued ability to breathe has led directaly and causally to MORE death, disruption, and today’s present racism in SA where landowners who KNOW how to manage land for productivity, to manage money for growth, how to find and employ many, leading to the prosperity of the erstwhile destitute, is steadily leading to those landowners being removed from their lands and fortunes, and often even their very breath…… so by leaving onie corrupt and evil man alive, many honest hardworking productive men have lost their own lives. And it continues.
        I also followed closely when Nicaragua’s third generation corrupt US puppet dictator murdered a man who was one of the few remaining men of influence for the common man in that nation. Dictator declared the Natioinal Hero’s funeral to be a closed event……… but learned otherwise when some 30,000 commoners came anyway… then followed the corrupt murderous dictator to his lavish castle, overthrew his bodyguards, evicted him from his home, put him on an old DC 3 bound to no one knew where…….then another government was set up which turned out to be every bit as corrupt as the deposed Somoza’s was….. and who, nearly forty years later and in violation of many laws, remains at the head of a VERY corrupt perverted government today. And the people of that nation have stood by and let it happen.

    18. There is NO NEED for your Doctor to know if you have any weapons, Unless you come in with a GSW (gun shot wound) Mine knows only because I told her she did not ask. Other than that there is no need

      1. Luckily, here in Oklahoma, serious anti-gun sentiment is thankfully small… certainly less than in states like New Jersey, California and New York.

        My doctor, her RN and her Physician’s Assistant, and their three husbands, are all members of our local pistol range… where I see them occasionally. I’ve even shot against two of them in the range’s monthly competitions. And to be honest, the PA (a petite woman) is hell-on-wheels with a .45!! She won the last competition, 497-out-of-500, and I placed second (firing a 9mm) with 492.

        I’d had a recent surgery, so to assuage my male ego, I blamed the loss on that surgery. Yeah, right. LOL

    19. The proper answer is, of course, NO. Another method to create a gun registry. I didn’t know doctors were educated in the safe use and storage of guns, is that something new? Do they also ask if we lock our medicine and liquor cabinets lest our kids get into them and poison themselves, how about our laundry and cleaning chemicals?

    20. It’s called a “boundary violation”, and should be treated as such.
      They have no right to ask, so you have no responsibility to answer truthfully.

    21. Doctors have no special training gun safety.
      Guns are not discussed at all in medical school.
      In fact, when the question was asked on Medscape when a patient asks a doctor about gun safety, how should they answer?
      The consensus was that they should refer the patient to an N R A trained firearms instructor.

    22. Doc asks the gun question

      me
      well since you opened the floor to topic that are not about my health…hey doc does your wife use a strap-on on your pazzi butt or not? or does she just BEAT you up…because I can plainly see that she has your balls in a jar somewhere??

    23. A silly proposal even with liberals. As a Centrist, I have no obligation to disclose what if any weapons I own. Signed. The GWD.

    24. Doctors everyplace should concentrate on their medical performance and that of the people under them and leave guns the hell alone. They have no business sticking their nose in where it isn’t wanted. Communist mayors need to stick their head back up their own posterior and chase their secretaries around the office for fun. They have no business sticking their nose where it doesn’t belong.

    25. Do you ever wonder why so many people, some of them post on this site, on the left sound and act as if they are Communists? It is because they are communists. Now if you call them out they will deny it. But; as we have all learned, if it sounds like a duck, walks like a duck, it is most likely a duck. They can deny, lie, and obfuscate but it doesn’t change what they are. And once you know your enemy you have a better idea as to how to defeat them. Of course, I guess they could just be some useful idiots.

    26. How tough is it to always answer this question: “No. No guns.”. I might talk guns with buddies, but when someone I don’t know personally asks that, my answer is always; “No”. Its so much better than; “none of your business”. They just write that answer down as; “yes”.

      1. NO, NO GUNS IN MY HOME! Exactly. How many MD’s have time to ‘bring up the topics of gun safety?’ Today, if you see your GP more the 7-10″ to discuss your malady, you should consider yourself lucky. Besides, and I say this with all due respect to those that are gun enthusiasts, know enough about guns to discuss ‘safety?’
        ‘would not be put in their medical record?!’ Than why ask the question?

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