“Meaningful” Background Checks? Whatever That Means?

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“Meaningful” Background Checks? Whatever That Means?

Ft Collins, CO –-(Ammoland.com)- This past week DJT (Donlad J Trump), responding to last weekend’s shooting incidences in El Paso, TX, and Dayton, OH, called for “meaningful background checks” to be imposed at a federal level upon any American citizen who wants to make a retail purchase of a firearm.

As I listened, it struck me:

“Wait! We already have an instant background check system in place. Our NICS System has been in mandatory operation, nationwide, since 1998!”

Is our current NICS System suddenly “meaningless?”

Imitating his Democrat/socialist opponents, DJT never got specific, never told us exactly what he means by “meaningful” background checks.

Our current NICS System performs a thorough records check of a perspective gun purchaser’s criminal history.

Most felonies, particularly violent felonies, will instantly bounce the application, as will current arrest warrants and protection orders, and documented mental-health deficiencies.

We’re now left to wonder what additional information about an individual is to be added to the NICS-check, in an effort to make it “meaningful!”

Will we now include rumors, speculation, and supposition?

  • Will social-media presentations/opinions arbitrarily deemed “inappropriate,” (ie: politically incorrect) now bounce my application?
  • Will letters-to-the-editor of local newspapers containing “divergent” opinions, similarly veto my chance to be armed?
  • Will my membership in certain organizations, like NRA, GOA, RAC (Rock Against Communism), represent an automatic prohibition?
  • Will my use of certain non-government-approved language, like personal pronouns, or my occasionally thinking non-government-approved thoughts, do the same thing?

Gee Mr President, just how “perfect” do I have to be in order to exercise my Second-Amendment rights as an American citizen?

Just how do I go about “proving” to your satisfaction that I’m not mentally ill, nor in another arbitrary category of citizens whom someone has offhandedly decided “should not have guns?”

“Nipping in the bud shoots of arbitrary power is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people.” ~ John Quincy Adams

/John


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    Wallace C
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    Wallace C

    Please define “meaningful” BGC: Cross agency and government level data base of registered current, former or suspected gun owners? So much simpler when BATFE, FBI, DHS, US Marshalls, State level and local PD begin their nonspecific, warrantless, no-knock, prohibited firearm inspections/confiscations. We are headed for a time when the individual will be required to prove innocence versus the current requirement for Government to prove guilt. Make ready. Arm/prepare/organize/train/resist.

    tetejaun
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    tetejaun

    The congress HAS NO POWER OVER PRIVATE GUN SALES in state. They only attain power over interstate gun sales by PERVERTING the ” regulating interstate commerce” clause. The Constitution is clear, federal government has NO power over the fifty states as long as they obey the Constitution, the supreme law of the land. Federal agents have NO power in the 50 states. In Wyoming, any federal agent must register with the county Sheriff and be escorted by a deputy. Should they not follow the law, they are then common criminals. NO WHERE in the Constitution does it say government may… Read more »

    Country Boy
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    Country Boy

    I’d just like to know how DJT thinks we should get all the felons and crazies that are planning a mass shooting to buy their firearms legally in a store, so they can find out they cannot pass a thorough background check ?

    CRICKETS………

    tetejaun
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    tetejaun

    You, like most Americans, assume the government is your master. Government has NO power over private sales. They have no power over store sales, but they pervert the “regulate interstate commerce” clause to make them masters over everything interstate.
    You speak too much like a communist democrat.
    Go kneel and lick the hand of your democrat master.

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    @tt, While I admire your enthusiasm, you are off base. First, you have CB all wrong. Second, your previous post was so long that it would take too much precious time to straighten it out. That is why no one converses with you. Third, you better read that Heart of Atlanta Motel case that details interstate commerce theory. Fourth, insults just make the typing chore longer. So … recompute.

    USMC0351Grunt
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    “Our current NICS System performs a thorough records check of a perspective gun purchaser’s criminal history. Most felonies, particularly violent felonies, will instantly bounce the application, as will current arrest warrants and protection orders, and documented mental-health deficiencies.'” BULLSHIT! The CJIS and any number of background check data mining contractors do the information search on each subject poor person that is submitted to the FBI NICS background check system and most all those data mining companies do is gather all the crap that they see on the internet they never verify they never do a finalization of the searches and… Read more »

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    @Grunt, Thank you for your service. The Fat Boy Institute has changed. They don’t think that it is their job to protect us insufferable deplorables, anymore. They think that it is their job to keep us regulated. Time for the FBI to go.

    USA
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    USA

    I thought 2A was to restrict gov from infringing upon rights of which they did not grant therefore have no authority to take/restrict and/or infringe upon which leads me to conclude by your post that 2A has been unlawfully subverted by the gov through illegal legislation subsequently subverting the supreme law of the land ultimately in complete defiance of USSC rulings and the will of The People. What next, permit requirements to exercise constitutionally protected speech. Oh,,,,, wait…………………………… If a person disregards the plain English text of 2A supreme law of the land to obey secondary subversive unconstitutional laws of… Read more »

    V12Guy
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    V12Guy

    We already have backround checks. How come felons that are rejected aren’t arrested on the spot. While waiting for the answer the Feds could respond and remove them. Without some kind of response, a more intrusive “common sense” check is still just an annoying expansion of an existing law.

    USA
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    USA

    Why can’t they have guns when it says “shall not be infringed”?

    If you’re not pro 2A I’m certain this site is not for you.

    Faketriots aren’t welcome here.

    Bill N
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    Bill N

    I have 2 things to say. #1 we should stop badmouthing President Trump. He’s a hell of a lot better than the best the Democrats have to offer. #2 These background checks are only as good as the information programed into it. Case in point, the Texas church shooting, The perp was thrown out of the USAF and it was never reported. I’m sure there were many more. Oh yes, the Stoneman school shooting. Social services, Broward County Sherriff and the FBI were all notified and none took action. So much for NICS, if it ain’t documented it ain’t there.… Read more »

    Tionico
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    Tionico

    Bill N, here you are.. you can catch this. high praise, because you HAVE THE ROOT of the problem with BGC. The Sutherland Springs perp not only had been bootd from the USAF, he’d been first charged, then convicted, of three felonies, one of them domestic violance. ANY ONE of those four items, had they been reported to FBI/NICS, would have rendered him unable to possess any firearm. Upon his charging, then again upon his conviction, there were USAF desk jockeys who were SUPPOSED to forward the information to FBI/NICS, and did not. Same with the Parkland school murders. NICS… Read more »

    USMC0351Grunt
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    @Tionico, and any others that are suffering the same MENTAL ILLNESS…

    Try writing this on your forehead in reverse and then stand in front of the mirror until it sinks into your skull… ” SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!”

    freewill
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    freewill

    I bet nobody gets a back ground check in Chicago! a total ban on firearms and dozens of people were shot last weekend

    Jeff
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    Jeff

    Anything is possible with Trump. However, I believe he is shrewd enough to know that if he betrays the gun voters who helped put him in office, he is a one-term president.

    Who wants to put odds on how many votes Trump will lose by supporting bad gun control laws versus how many will he gain for signing these bad bills into law?

    USA
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    USA

    And, I hardly doubt we have seen the last shooting so what will he do next time? Know a shit show when actors are acting one out. 30,000 current unconstitutional gun laws on the books and yet more will fix the problem that 30,000 failed to fix? Really? Are we going to get sanctioned for the other guy driving too fast also? Reviewing comments across all forums I don’t see a single Trump supporter buying into this, not one. Not even die hard Trumpers that painted pro trump propaganda across their entire pick up truck.

    tomcat
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    tomcat

    The other side of that, Jeff, is that he may pick up voters from the other side if he turns on us now. That is what he has to calculate, what will do the best for him. I’m sure he and his staff are considering all this and I wouldn’t bet on it either way right now.

    USA
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    USA

    Trump will likely pick up liberal voters in Colorado due to they are refusing to comply to “gun control”. The left will not comply to the disarmament they desire. Don’t ask me to explain this logic because it beyond my comprehension why people don’t want what they vote for but trust me on this one. Trump has nothing to gain by selling us out so please lay off the shrooms.

    Rec
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    Rec

    “Imitating his Democrat/socialist opponents, DJT never got specific, never told us exactly what he means by “meaningful” background checks.” Really only people who don’t pay attention to polling, the history of how and when gun control is passed the past 40 years and what DJT has done and hasn’t done on the issue would make the above statement.He isn’t being specific because when there is a freight train momentum effort from the other size, with massive public support, the best is not to attempt to block the blow but to divert it. You can have all the ninnies blurting “shall… Read more »

    USA
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    USA

    And when Bloomberg is indicted due to his connections with Epstein and pedo island will Bloomberg still be a threat to Americas constitution? Cuomo?

    USMC0351Grunt
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    @Rec, you insult as, “ninnies” those that speak, “SHALL not comply” and Shall not be Infringed” which are both established law and precedence, . Yet you quote unjustified statistics and references from The New York Times at Wikipedia? Care to re-align or correct your bulshit?

    Huapakechi
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    Huapakechi

    “One man with a gun can command one hundred without one” ~vladimir lenin.

    Rick
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    Rick

    This is true of ALL of our rights. First Amendment, unless your part of the media your input, letters to the editor are NOT published. 2nd we see what’s going on. Yes, due process is seen by the anti-gun world as ineffective in that there are still firearms on the street. Right to due process, police can lie to you and tell you that they have evidence they don’t have then tell you that if you confess you get off with a lighter sentence, not just TV. right against unreasonable search and seizure – gone. I’m not a racist and… Read more »

    Rec
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    Rec

    The fact that you think the First Amendment means you think the media has to publish your letters means you fail civics 101. The first amendment refers to government action to suppress you, and it has always meant that since the founding of the country.

    USA
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    USA

    Too bad that 2A has not worked to keep gov from suppressing rights…………………………………………………
    Civics 101 tought us they have no authority to infringe upon constitutionally enshrined rights.

    Buster
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    Buster

    This is how DJT operates. He appeases the libtards by claiming he wants “meaningful background checks”, then libtards get busy and present their idea of “meaningful background checks”, and DJT shoots them down.

    If DJT just flatly said “No” to any/every libtard gun control idea, he would be portrayed as a hardliner that is impossible to work with and who doesn’t care about the people who are being killed.

    DJT is smart…very smart.

    Rec
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    Rec

    I concur. I worked in the Virginia House of Delegates years ago when in grad school. There is plenty I don’t like about Trump, but he has deftly stifles and blocked extremely draconian gun control legislation this way several times. Trump has positioned this issue so that certain tweaking of NICS, for example better insuring that aspects of that which SAF, NRA, GOA, FPC don’t oppose, such as better reporting by DoD of the equivalent of violent felonies to NICS,can be what the GOP can support as “better background checks.” The gun control lobby gets its successes the past 40… Read more »

    USA
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    USA

    Too bad no such thing as “assault rifles” are in our possession so I guess they will have to ban those from the military. Are you sure you are on the right site?

    USMC0351Grunt
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    @Rec, there you go again degrading those that blurt , “shall not be infringed” what all they are doing is vocalizing a fundamental right and reminding whoever attempts to perpetrate that right to back the hell off are they will face the results of the Second Amendment.

    Using the First Amendment to remind dumbasses that you’re not taking the Second Amendment is the safest bet to not seeing any bloodshed.

    USA
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    USA

    He will probably create a deal they will never agree to and add border security funding into it so they run straight off the closest cliff they can find at full speed yelling that he is a racist Russian agent so we should just keep screaming about this and play the game. Keep in mind the Republicans are also being lured into the cliff dive. Let’s not tell anybody these assholes are getting set up, okay. Shhhh.

    Jaque
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    Jaque

    Get ready for Soviet style laws that link the NICS system to the VA, ones individual medical records and pharmacy dispensing records. Any positives for psychotropic medications, narcotics, mental depression, or suicidal counseling will deny a gun sale and trigger an automatic Red Flag raid on the individuals home. For those on Medicare that information is already in government hands. It was Obama that forced the doctors into electronic medical records and the public reason was Obamacare. I suspect more sinister reasons were behind it. This all becomes reality when communists take both houses and the presidency. Its time to… Read more »

    Nam62
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    Nam62

    It sounds like BOHICA again!!
    (Bend Over Here It Comes Again)

    Jeff
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    Jeff

    For expanded background checks to have any effect, the firearms used in recent and past shootings would have had to have been purchased without background checks. A look at the mass shooting suspects and perpetrators shows this not to be the case. But gang members and other involved in criminal enterprises shoot and kill far more people than those shot by mass shooters. How will expanded background checks take guns away from criminals? Do they get their guns at gun shows, from the internet by finding a seller on Craigs List? No. Criminals do not purchased their firearms lawfully. The… Read more »

    USA
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    USA

    And let’s not forget Fast & Furious by Barry and Holder who is a Black Panther. Like Trump stated on Piers Morgan, “criminals don’t obey gun laws” therefore since the law abiding do because they are such good bootlickers they will continue to sanction the law abiding. Trump is preparing to release a list of sexual predators in Congress that have been taking guns for years. The pedo elite gun grabbers are being exposed right now on social media for their crimes therefore proving disarmament is done by the criminals not the law abiding. Citizens might as well donate their… Read more »

    USA
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    USA

    This article failed to list the newly added mental defect recently added to the head shrinkers book of mental defects that says if you are defiant/non-compliant to authority that you are certifiably nuts.

    (((((OBEY YOUR MASTER)))))

    USA
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    USA

    (((((Grab those ankles & spread those cheeks)))))

    Loool.

    Jeff
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    Jeff

    You ever read about the use of Mental Health diagnosis to deal with refuseniks and other dissidents? It’s a very easy weapon to use against uncooperative citizens.

    Even our own Veteran’s Administration allows employees to put veterans on the trouble list. While the VA no doubts treats many veteran’s with PSTD and other mental conditions, too many people are blacklisted in retaliation.

    USA
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    USA

    Yep, for this current socialist takeover and it has been going on for decades. Real Americans are considered terrorists because they refuse The New World Order of Islam under (Antichrist) pedo Pope and his space alien rule of his 10 kingdoms. This is why they demanded us to discard our Bibles. Anybody that has access to you tube can go watch some videos on the Catholic Church’s connection to space aliens aka demons. It’s why those bones under the Vatican are being dragged out today and Pope under investigation. Pedo Pope is totally exposed to be a demon worshiper pushing… Read more »

    Huapakechi
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    Huapakechi

    Didn’t the old soviet union “hospitalize” or imprison any of their subjects who questioned communism?

    USA
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    USA

    And Hitler collected them up in vans telling their family they were going to camp to be treated and they got arkancided then Hitler told their family they had an accident and got killed. The Jews learned the hard way to not get labeled as handicapped in any way such as with those handicap placards because the label meant you were first to be hunted down. Kinda like when I hurt my foot and was walking the range limping and a pack of Coyotes tried to kill me for dinner.

    USA
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    USA

    I’m starting to wonder if they are destroying those drugs they are confiscating or consuming them.
    People with unlimited armed security due to their policy decisions taking guns away from those who are subjected to their policies. Think about that.

    Tionico
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    Tionico

    reselling them