Springfield Walmart Open Carry of Rifle Becomes Panic Driven by Media Contagion

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Dmitriy N. Andreychenko, IMG Green County website, 8 August, 2019, cropped and scaled by Dean Weingarten

Arizona -(Ammoland.com)- At about 4:10 p.m. on 8 August 2019, Dmitriy Andreychenco walked into the Walmart Neighborhood Market in Springfield, Missouri. He had a slung AR-type rifle and was wearing a T-shirt and tactical vest. He obtained a shopping cart and was videoing himself on a cell phone while pushing the cart through the store. He did not threaten anyone, point the rifle at anyone, or make any threats that are known at this time.

A manager at the store pulled the store alarm, causing a panic while customers evacuated the store. Dmitriy evacuated with the other customers. As he left the store, a firefighter with a concealed carry permit, who was armed, drew his pistol and held Dmitriy for police. In the video from outside the store, you can see that Dmitri was calmly complying with police orders. Look at his black t-shirt. I do not see any evidence of body armor being worn.

He is wearing some sort of web gear, which it appears, the media denoted as “body armor.” Identification of web gear as body armor has been common in the media.

Open carry is legal in Missouri. It has been hard fought for. Opponents of an armed population have worked hard to characterize open carry as threatening. The last few days of a media blitz on the rampage murders in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio, have put the country on edge. The message has been that every young white male is a deadly threat. The manager at Walmart seems to have bought into the message.

In the video, Dmitriy quickly and calmly follows the police orders. There is no indication, from the video, that he was wearing body armor. From the T-shirt he is wearing, it does not look as if he is wearing body armor.

From  ky3.com:

Officers booked Dmitriy N. Andreychenko, 20, on suspicion of first-degree making a terroristic threat. Greene County Prosecutor Dan Patterson has yet to file formal charges in the case.

The Springfield Police Department arrived on scene within three minutes of the call. Police stated Andreychenko pulled up to the Walmart, where he donned body armor and military fatigues. Police say the man had tactical weapons.

Police then say Andreychenko walked into the Walmart Neighborhood Market where he grabbed a cart and began pushing it around the store. Police say the man was recording himself walking through the store via a cell phone.

The store manager at the Neighborhood Market pulled a fire alarm, urging people to escape the store.

Police say Andreychenko then made his way out an emergency exit where a former firefighter held the man at gunpoint. At that moment Springfield Police arrived on scene and detained the man.

No video from inside the store has been released at this point. When it is, I suspect it will show Dmitriy calmly pushing a cart through Walmart while recording himself on a cell phone. I suspect the cell phone images will show the same thing. That is what is indicated when you consider the calm way that Dmitriy followed police orders. The police are already saying Dmitriy had no intention of shooting anyone.  The police have said the initial arrest charge will be a terrorist threat in the first degree. Here is the definition in Missouri statutes. Terrorist threat – 1st Degree 574.115-004Y From law.justia.com:

574.115. 1. A person commits the offense of making a terrorist threat in the first degree if such person, with the purpose of frightening ten or more people or causing the evacuation, quarantine or closure of any portion of a building, inhabitable structure, place of assembly or facility of transportation, knowingly:

(1) Communicates an express or implied threat to cause an incident or condition involving danger to life; or

(2) Communicates a false report of an incident or condition involving danger to life; or

(3) Causes a false belief or fear that an incident has occurred or that a condition exists involving danger to life.

2. The offense of making a terrorist threat in the first degree is a class D felony.

3. No offense is committed under this section by a person acting in good faith with the purpose to prevent harm.

The Green County Prosecutor has not filed formal charges at the time of this writing, according to the Springfield Police Department. I doubt the terrorist threat charge will be filed. It is not warranted by the facts. The Walmart manager might be guilty of a terrorist threat, but section 3 specifically exempts threats made in good faith.

We have not heard anything from Dmitriy. I suspect his side of the events will help calm down the current media frenzy.  It is worth noting that even when confronted by another armed citizen, neither of them felt the need to fire any shots.

Rights are not very useful if they can be taken from you when you need them the most. The public is fearful because two mass murders have been given so much press in the last week. It is not unreasonable for people to wish to be armed in public places.

The right to carry is not worth much if simply carrying legal weapons in a public place, while videoing yourself, can be charged as a terrorist threat.  If that is the standard, the Second Amendment and the right to bear arms mean little.


About Dean Weingarten:

Dean Weingarten has been a peace officer, a military officer, was on the University of Wisconsin Pistol Team for four years, and was first certified to teach firearms safety in 1973. He taught the Arizona concealed carry course for fifteen years until the goal of constitutional carry was attained. He has degrees in meteorology and mining engineering, and recently retired from the Department of Defense after a 30-year career in Army Research, Development, Testing, and Evaluation.

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If anyone has any recent news please post it.
I am not finding anything as the media are done slandering this young man!

Patriot
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Patriot

The Green County Prosecutor is propagating a farce against this young man. Walmart who regularly pays the PD and Sheriff’s office overtime to be store security is being protected from lawsuit and local law enforcement are butt hurt. The prosecutor has reduced the charge to a second degree felony hoping it will be easier to ram a conviction through. There is no evidence of this young father to be, has committed a crime. The PD and Walmart have publicly slandered him on the media to control the outcome of a jury. I am disgusted and ashamed by their actions and… Read more »

Patriot
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Patriot

God bless you!

Patriot
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Patriot

Why is this the only accurate report I could find!
This kid is being railroaded and slandered by the PD. Walmart is so screwed on this. Mark my words.

cgarmn
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cgarmn

I consider that this young man carrying openly in a state that allows open carry with apparently no restrictions on what you can carry to be within his rights. The state has an obligation to make the public aware loudly and clearly that this is a legal stance they state law makers have taken. Now as to what kind of weapon a person wants to carry openly is up to personal choice. Considering, what kind of weapons the nutjobs have been carrying to kill in such large numbers, this young man is better prepared to protect himself and others from… Read more »

AZ Lefty
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AZ Lefty

So much twisting and turning to defend this idiot! He messed up, a Reasonable person would know dressing up like the Dayton Terrorist and walking into a Walmart like the one the Terrorist in El Paso had just attacked would bring about the feeling of imminent fear of harm by those around him- this is illegal in Missouri it is called assault; even more to the point he had others tell him “bad idea” by doing this he caused a employee to pull the firearm in his belief that idiot was going to harm folks. Hence the charges. The only… Read more »

RoyD
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RoyD

Another person who failed his English classes.

JMR
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JMR

There’s literally no twisting and turning to defend him. He didn’t break any laws. Period.
All the twisting and turning is to attack him.

Patriot
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Patriot

Does it matter to you he didn’t break the law?

BurnIsraelToAshes
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BurnIsraelToAshes

I hope he goes to prison and gets raped by a nigger with a huge fucking cock

tomcat
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tomcat

@Burnisrael You sound very much like the type that would unload on a mass of people with a gun or knife. Or, do you think you are funny? Either way, I’m glad I’m only in contact with you by computer and not in person.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Tcat, By his word selection, it seems like he is fishing for someone to agree with him. I could be wrong, but it seems like he is up to something deceitful. What could he have to gain?

tomcat
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tomcat

@ Wild Bill Maybe he thinks he needs some notoriety and no one pays any attention to him.
The only other idea that comes to mind is that he is a foul mouthed troll.

BurnIsraelToAshes
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BurnIsraelToAshes

Nigger [Y/N]

Pastor Roy
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Pastor Roy

You are a truly sick individual. Next to you, this young man is the poster boy for normal and sane!

BurnIsraelToAshes
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BurnIsraelToAshes

I am going to pin you down and urinate on your asshole

Will
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Will

@Burnscum,I’m going to see if Ammoland will boot your useless ass !

BurnIsraelToAshes
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BurnIsraelToAshes

You sound like a nigger

Alan1018
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Alan1018

A perfect example of just because you can does not mean you should. One person pushing people off the fence all across the country. Concealed is the only way firearms should be carried in public because we need all the friends we can get. Stunts like this just push more people to the anti side.

BurnIsraelToAshes
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BurnIsraelToAshes

That’s the most homosexual thing anyone has ever said, keep trying to convince yourself you’re not a fucking faggot

Master_Roach
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Master_Roach

im not anti gun but we should get rid of constitutional carry 🙂 now you need a permit to own a firearm.

Country Boy
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Country Boy

“Remember, it doesn’t matter what Andreychenko’s intent actually was, it only matters what a jury is likely to infer that Andreychenko’s intent was.”

Which is total bullsit if ya ask me. how about “innocent until PROVEN guilty”?

Pastor Roy
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Pastor Roy

Couldn’t agree with you more!

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@CB and PR, I’m going to take this in a little reverse order to clean things up a bit. The “innocent until PROVEN guilty” is in reality The accused is presumed innocent until proved guilty.” It is only a rebutable presumption and a general principle of law. Now, about juries … Here in Texas the jury is instructed to determine reasonableness through only the eyes of the accused at the time. So what the jury infers must be through the eyes of the accused. Sounds a little less like bs, now, gentlemen? But that is Texas. You have to look… Read more »

ItsThatGuy
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ItsThatGuy

He is presumed innocent until the moment a jury votes to convict, which will very likely happen in this case.

His intent was obviously to create a panic and a police response, all so he could then whine about being harassed.

Open carry is for idiots and those with tiny dicks.

Heed the Call-up
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Heed the Call-up

That is only your opinion, and based on the content, wasn’t even worth the time it took you to write it, nor the time it took me to read it. Police open carry, which category do they fit into? RSOs and other range employees OC, employees at FFLs OC, guards at my job OC, etc…. Tiny minds post comments like yours. The reason for OC are many. One reason people do it is to raise public awareness and educate them. I often OC when representing one of the rights groups I belong to. We want people to not fear the… Read more »

Vince
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Vince

He told his wife what he was going to do and she said it was a bad idea! Then he told his sister and she said it was a bad idea! Extremely poor judgement in light of recent events. Should be locked up just for stupidity!

Will
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Will

@Vince,something is legal,or not legal ! No gray area ! This kid did not do anything illegal ! Period !

Stag
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Stag

Exactly!

John H
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John H

That doesn’t excuse him for being stupid !! Just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should do it !! Some of these young kids don’t have the since that God gave a goose. We are in a fight for our constitutional rights to keep our guns, and some stupid little kid wants to make a statement !! This squirrel should do the world a favor and go join the military, any branch of his choice and they will teach him everything he needs to know about life in the big city !!

Will
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Will

@JohnH, you made some really good points that I agree with. How does LE regulate common sense ? They can’t. Something that’s common sense to you,might not be to me. And Vice-versa. Would I had done what that kid did ? No ! But I do carry open everyday and won’t stop because of the current political environment.

Pastor Roy
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Pastor Roy

Good for you!! We must not surrender our rights simply because the libs and snowflakes of the world are “offended” by the sight of our legally owned and carried weapons!

ItsThatGuy
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ItsThatGuy

574.115. 1. A person commits the offense of making a terrorist threat in the first degree if such person, with the purpose of frightening ten or more people **OR** causing the evacuation, quarantine or closure of any portion of a building, inhabitable structure, place of assembly or facility of transportation, knowingly: (1) Communicates an express or implied threat to cause an incident or condition involving danger to life; or (2) Communicates a false report of an incident or condition involving danger to life; or (3) Causes a false belief or fear that an incident has occurred or that **a condition… Read more »

Will
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Will

@Its,the kid hasn’t been convicted of anything,and won’t be ! It’s a country mile from charged to convicted,esp,in a case like this ! The kid broke no laws !!!

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@ITG, the prosecutor must prove each and every element of each and every charge brought. This statute requires the prosecutor to prove what was in the accused’s head. It looks like the prosecutor would have a better case against the store manager.

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Heed the Call-up

Actually, the manager created the condition of danger to life when he pulled the fire alarm, causing evacuation of the store. As you can see in this posts, normal people do not fear the sight of a firearm. We take stock of the situation and dismiss it if everything seems normal. If the armed person is acting in a way that heightens awareness, then one needs to decide if there is anything else that one needs to do. I am more concerned about a police officer, since they are known to mishandle firearms and do not train nearly as frequently… Read more »

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Vince, Hmmm, yes. I’m sure that you are right. We should all poll two women before we do anything.

Will
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Will

@WB,five will get you ten it was unsolicited advice too.

MikeTX
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MikeTX

I DARE the keyboard commando’s to dress up like the Walmart/Russian PUNK and do what he did. Do it TODAY. BDU’s, plate carrier, AR-15, 100 cartridges, and waltz into your Walmart like a badass. Go on, do it and tell us what your local jail is like in a few weeks – that is, if you don’t get shot.

JMR
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JMR

You sound more like a keyboard commando than anybody else that has posted.

Stag
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Stag

Yup.

Country Boy
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Country Boy

Agreed

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@CB and Stag, Like we are going to drop everything to run out and carry out Mikey’s orders. Is this some kind of third grade attempt at manipulation.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

Mikey, In the adult world, if you want someone to do some thing, you have to pay them. So lets talk contract because money talks, while bull shit walks. You are in Texas. I’m in Texas. My rate is six hundred per hour. You want to waltz in Walmart. I think that we can get it done.

MikeTX
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MikeTX

A 2nd Amendment attorney dumps his derision on the Walmart PUNK: https://lawofselfdefense.com/understanding-legalities-of-walmart-rifle-body-armor-event/ In addition, the fact that Andreychenko may have caused such a reasonable perception of an imminent deadly force threat while carrying a firearm does not excuse that conduct, if the conduct is otherwise unlawful. The Second Amendment is not a waiver against being held responsible for otherwise criminal conduct. Robbing a bank is not lawful just because the robber used a gun and was “simply exercising his Second Amendment rights.” Similarly, committing a terroristic threat is not lawful just because the person doing so is armed with a… Read more »

Stag
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Stag

Typical butter/Fudd rant.

Will
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Will

@USA,I really think he has a problem with the kids Russian heritage.

Rattlerjake
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Rattlerjake

He’s a “lawyer”, what can you expect. He’s lying out of both sides of his mouth!

The problem I see is that we have a society that has been indoctrinated with fear from politicians, media, entertainment, and the education system. This “law” against instilling fear should be used against all of those before being used on this kid!

Poppy Wayne
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Poppy Wayne

“I would suggest it does if such conduct is reasonably foreseeable to “cause a fear that a condition exists involving danger to life,”” How about this Mikey? Nobody expected some punk would waltz into THEIR Walmart & shoot people indiscriminately…at that particular moment…until it happened. Demetria doesn’t have the next offenders schedule, so he acted in a way he felt like he would be safe, as well as those around him. The threat came from the over-reaction of the store manager. HE, created the panic. HE, was the implied “terrorist”, simply because he acted on emotion rather than common sense… Read more »

Turtles Run
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Turtles Run

@MikeTX – I am amazed to see all these people that do not understand the concept of conducting oneself in a responsible manner. I enjoy my firearms but I also understand how to treat them responsibly and accord myself responsibly in public. Going to a local Walmart dressed in tactical gear and armed with an AR-15 is going to cause hysteria especially if you do so a few days after someone just committed a massacre. This person’s actions are precisely why people believe many gun-owners are irresponsible. It seems far too many do not respect firearms and believe that are… Read more »

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@TR, Oh, you mean the store manager jumping to conclusions, panicking, and scaring all those people. Yeah, he was irresponsible.

Will
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Will

@TR,what WB said !

gregs
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gregs

I agree, feelings do not trump the law, that is one of the problems of leftist media pushing the narrative.

MikeTX
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MikeTX

This little punk is responsible for a 74-year old woman being sent to the hospital. PUNK. I hope the DA fries his ass. https://www.news-leader.com/story/news/crime/2019/08/09/man-charged-felony-after-gun-incident-springfield-walmart/1971037001/ The statement says before Andreychenko went to the Walmart, he asked his sister if she would film him doing a “social experiment,” but she told Andreychenko it was a bad idea in light of the recent shooting in Texas. Andreychenko’s wife allegedly told police Andreychenko was an immature boy. While no injuries were reported at the Walmart, a Battlefield Police Department officer rushing to the scene was involved in a crash that sent him to the… Read more »

Wild Bill
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@Make Taxes, There are too many intervening events between the Police officer crashing his car leaving the little old woman with serious injuries and Andreychenko exercising his First and Second Amendment Civil Rights, for Andreychenko to be the legal cause of her injuries.

ItsThatGuy
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The proximate cause of the cop responding to the Walmart was Andreychenko being at the Walmart in a manner very likely to cause a panic. No asshat doing open carry? No police response. Andreychenko’s little “test” will likely cost him $10K-20K in legal fees if he decides to fight the charges. If he pleads guilty, or makes an Alford plea, he’ll be a felon, he’ll lose all of his guns, and won’t be able to own one ever again. He FAILED that test. He should be **extremely** thankful that the firefighter showed remarkable restraint and didn’t shoot the punk the… Read more »

Heed the Call-up
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Heed the Call-up

No, we are not thankful that the CC holder illegally brandished and illegally detained/kidnapped a citizen that was not breaking the law. The CC holder is lucky he wasn’t shot after pointing a loaded weapon at a law-abiding citizen. The police, after arriving and obtaining facts should have released him. Now, they, the locality, the CC holder, the store and the manager will be facing a very expensive lawsuit for the illegal actions they undertook, and infringing on his rights.

gregs
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gregs

mikey, mikey, mikey. it is a real stretch to blame that not very intelligent young man exercising his civil rights for the injuries that a cop who probably wasn’t doing what he was supposed to do when responding to a call hit the old lady and injuring her. did you actually check out all evidence concerning the cop car crash or are you just jumping to conclusions.

MikeTX
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MikeTX

Stop it. Stop defending the PUNK. You’ve lost the argument.

RoyD
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RoyD

Mikey, I can call you Mikey right? Stick to writing about that which you have some knowledge. One of the things you apparently don’t have any knowledge of is ANFO. The rest of your drivel is just your opinion. And you do know what they say about opinions, don’t you Mikey?

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Make Taxes, One has not lost the debate because one engaged side says so. Have you no debate experience?

Rattlerjake
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Rattlerjake

Cops are some of the worst drivers on the street. They violate more traffic laws than all the drivers in their city put together. They cause wrecks just driving to the donut shop. Ever notice that in a large number of car chases, the inexperienced criminal has no problem speeding and taking hairpin turns, yet many of the cops crash into buildings, other cars, or just lose control. Your point is pointless. Responding to an incident does not justify a cop driving recklessly!

MikeTX
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MikeTX

Admit it, you’re backing the wrong horse in this race: the Russian PUNK is an idiot and is NO friend of the 2nd Amendment, just a drama whore with bad judgement. He’ll pay for it, too.

Will
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Will

@MikeTX,he’s just a kid exercising his 2A civil rights. I will bet before this is over he will be a very,very rich kid too.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Will, I like how he spell out some words in all capitals to add velocity to his sentences of dubious punctuation.

ItsThatGuy
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ItsThatGuy

What cause does he have to sue anyone? How will he pay for a lawyer, given that he’s going to have to spend $10K-20K on his own defense?

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Make Taxes, No, he won’t pay for it. His staff of attorneys will work on contingency.

ItsThatGuy
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ItsThatGuy

“His staff of attorneys will work on contingency.”

You really don’t understand how criminal law works, do you? Or civil law, for that matter.

He’ll be lucky to afford Lionel Hutz.

RoyD
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RoyD

No, Mikey, the Officer involved in the crash needs some corrective action. He obviously violated a policy or law leading to the crash. Nice try though, Mikey.

Laddyboy
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Laddyboy

Nope! The Cop hit the 74 year old woman, not the walker in the store.

JPM
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JPM

USA, well said.

DC
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DC

A word to the wise: a CCL holder could have shot the guy “in good faith” according to the law of that state. Both people could have been legal and within their rights, but the young man could still be dead. Would not recommend anyone try this kind of stunt. Again, just because it’s legal, doesn’t mean it’s the right or smart thing to do. Yes, this stunt advanced the argument of the anti-gunners.
-DC

Country Boy
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Country Boy

But anti gunners don’t want ANY guns. Not CCW nor open carry, and not in anyone’s possession. Just think… If every American gun owner had been allowed to “legally” open carry in all 50 states for the last 100 yrs , we wouldn’t be where we are now. Americans have become brainwashed by thr MSM into believing that just because a law abiding citizen is carrying a firearm, they must be some sort of criminal. You’ve witnessed the pussification of America…all in the name of “safety”. And all that ‘safety” has led to the slaughter in “the gun free zones”……….

ItsThatGuy
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“Americans have become brainwashed by thr MSM into believing that just because a law abiding citizen is carrying a firearm, they must be some sort of criminal.” How does the average citizen differentiate between a “law-abiding citizen” and someone intent on murdering as many people as possible? As of Aug. 5, there have been 255 mass shootings in the U.S., so it’s more than reasonable to assume bad intent rather than “law-abiding citizen”, especially when the person is dressed in body armor. I’m a law-abiding gun owner, and when I carry, I carry concealed. NO ONE NEEDS TO KNOW THAT… Read more »

Heed the Call-up
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Heed the Call-up

How do you determine the difference between someone non-threatening and someone pointing and shooting a firearm at you? I believe I just explained the obvious difference.

If you are unable to determine the difference, not only are you a risk to the rest of us, but to yourself. Please do not carry a firearm until you learn the law and some situational awareness.

Heed the Call-up
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Heed the Call-up

DC, if a CC holder shot someone without any just cause, as would have been in this case, the CC holder would be facing a long prison sentence. The man OC was not threatening in any manner, was not brandishing – the CC holder was – or anything else that would make him a credible threat of any kind, much less the needed threat of great bodily harm or death that is necessary for a CC holder to draw his/her firearm and engage another person.

Tionico
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Hmmm.. seems to me the WalMart Mangler is guilty of violating 574.115. 1 sec 2 and 3. HE is the one falsey caused folks to panic and evacuate, wiht no basis in fact. Will HE be prosecuted? Nah. I hope the prosecutor is wise enough to not pyt his career on the block by charging this guy. Seems there is enough video evidence before, during, and after, this event there is no way he could be proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. We shall see, will we not? Hopefullyk cooler heads will prevail. A few incidents like this across the… Read more »

ItsThatGuy
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ItsThatGuy

“…there is no way he could be proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.”

Which law school did you attend???

There is NO doubt when the suspect is wearing body armor.

Heed the Call-up
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Heed the Call-up

No doubt the initial report of him wearing body armor was wrong. Also, one is “allowed” to wear body armor. I believe it is the class 3A and above that common citizens can’t legally acquire, only LE and military are allowed the heavier and better armor. However, that would not preclude you from wearing a steel plate as long as it isn’t “body armor”. It is unlikely that you are a firearm owner based on your lack of knowledge on the topic. If you really are, you desperately need training and knowledge on firearm safety, the law, and every other… Read more »

MajorMike
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MajorMike

Ok, so he does have the legal right to do this. Unfortunately, this type of moronic, adolescent behavior is just the kind of idiocy the media is looking for to paint gun owners as irresponsible. They do not see the millions of gun owners who do not play dress in tacticool and go into the local Walmart just to see if they can.

There is definitely a big difference between having legal rights and having common sense.

MikeTX
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MikeTX

Exactly. The Russian drama whore is about to learn a very costly lesson in how to behave in public.

Will
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Will

….while he laughs all the way to the bank !

ItsThatGuy
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ItsThatGuy

He has no valid cause to file a lawsuit against anyone. HIS actions provoked the response.

He’ll be broke from the criminal case alone.

Country Boy
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Country Boy

Over half the men I see in my local Walmart are wearing hunting camo…..no one bats an eye……

Will
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Will

Me included !

ItsThatGuy
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ItsThatGuy

Do you wear body armor when hunting? Do you carry your shotgun or rifle into the store before or after the hunt?

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@ITG, When we go to the range to practice, we practice as we fight. Yes, if I leave it in my vehicle, someone might steal it. It is not your fault that you do not know these things. Your have no interest in self defense, defense of nation, or feeding one’s self.
Most metrosexuals do not. They were raised to be money grasping pussies, and look to others to defend them, feed them, and serve them.

Will
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Will

@MajorMike,the fact that this kid was 100% within the law,will also cover any common sense issues too !

Will
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Will

@MajorMike,just exactly what is the penalty for lack of common sense,according to you ?

USA
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USA

Snowflake.

CCW
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CCW

What is the LEGAL difference between a holstered weapon and one slung over your shoulder?.. NONE! All of the good people I’ve known over the years/decades from Missouri are no different from the ones here in Alabama. Almost every time I go to my local Walmart I see someone open carrying a pistol on their side. And during all this time, no one has “pissed their pants” and pulled a fire alarm, drew down on them, been kicked out or arrested. Apparently, the only one who’s broken the law is possibly: 1.) The manager for pulling the fire alarm when… Read more »

USA
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USA

You got it, right on.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Kid gonna be rich!

RoyD
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RoyD

Many people are hung up on the fact that he was open carrying a rifle. These people apparently have no experience with USPSA Open and Limited shooters of say, A, Master, or Grand Master class. Any of those shooters can do as much damage with their firearm as a person with a rifle inside a store.

Renov8
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Renov8

I think the bigger issue everyone seems to be missing is the timing of all this. Had there not been two shootings, back to back, the reaction might have been different. Also, given how some locales have a different temperament for open carry than others, that factors into the equation.

Lots of sensitive, triggered personalities on here lately…what gives?

Laddyboy
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Laddyboy

SOOOooo! The store manager is the one who SCREAMED FIRE in a Public area. THAT is unlawful!!!!

ItsThatGuy
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ItsThatGuy

How does one holster an AR-15? Does the typical holstered firearm have a 100-round magazine?

You are completely ignoring the CONTEXT of this situation, i.e., coming so shortly after El Paso and Dayton. If the kid had done it 3 months from now, WITHOUT the body armor, I suspect the outcome would have been different.

OTOH, we might see 200 more mass shootings in the next 3 months, so I may be wrong on that. Only time will tell.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@ITG, the holstered equivalent for all rifles is “slinging” it or casing it. The vast majority of AR users add a sling. I am partial to the rayon US Army type. One slings his rifle so that his hands are free to do other tasks (e.g. pick out a box of ammunition and read the info on the box). Or one might put his long gun in a case for more long term endeavors, like long distance travel. The typical holstered firearm, … hmmm I wonder what might a typical firearm be?. Well,… my revolvers do not, but all of… Read more »

Oldvet
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Oldvet

That Guy…Look at the photo again , he is not wearing armor that is a load bearing vest !

jack mac
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jack mac

Dmitriy’s actions is bad publicity for the pro 2nd Amendment. I strongly recommend that nobody else does the same thing. It is one thing to exercise rights, it is another to flaunt them. Voters will see his actions as an example of unsound judgement of gun owners. Regardless of his motive and intent, a lot of people were terrorized. Pro-gun rights people should not terrorize by legal display of firearms. The permit to carry holder, who drew his handgun, now faces possible felony charges for taking precautionary actions. The media is scaring people to support more infringements, we should not… Read more »

USA
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USA

People shop here strapped and you say don’t do it. Good luck with that thinking. Nothing I like more than seeing a woman strapped at the store while I’m checking out her ass so for your info, WE REFUSE TO COMPLY to your recommendation. We have women all over the place here with AK’s & AR’s hell it’s one of the best things this state has to offer so give it up man.

Tionico
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Tionico

What this MAN did is precisely what NEEDS to be done all across the country. Part of the reason the panic has fallen upon this nation is that people are no longer accustomed to seeing guns in the hands of law abiding citizens, causing no harm. It IS fully legal, AND fully safe to do what this MAN did. His goal was to demonstrate that guns cannot, of their own power, point themselves at anyone and launch a chunk of lead and hurt/kill anyone. The problem is that guns have been demonised….. so now every time one is seen in… Read more »

JPM
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JPM

Tionico, I couldn’t agree with you more. Hiding your gun(s) out of fear of hurting someone’s feelings is nothing but surrendering. Here in Arizona we carry both open and concealed on a regular basis and the locals who aren’t gun owners are used to it. The only ones with problems are candy-ass little sissy liberal tourists or people new to the area, but even the newcomers eventually become accustomed to seeing armed citizens on a regular basis, except for the liberal asses from California who move here and begin trying to turn their new location into a copy of the… Read more »

Poppy Wayne
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Poppy Wayne

First of all, I wish this forum had “like” buttons. There’s soooo many comments I would “like” a thousand times over! Now, to Jack….did you, or anyone you know, stop driving after the demented soul in Paris ran down all those people? Never mind…that was rhetorical. You laying this at the feet of a law abiding citizen, exercising his 2A rights, as being “unsound judgement”, is totally asinine. I can clearly see you are one of the “but”ters. Put the sock on the feet that need stomping, not the one that’s doing the walking. I suppose you’d expect everyone to… Read more »

Poppy Wayne
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Poppy Wayne

One more thing…if anyone was “terrorized”, it was because of the idiot store manager that pulled the fire alarm. Think about that in your judgmental tirad.

gregs
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gregs

mack jac “It is one thing to exercise rights, it is another to flaunt them.” rights do not need to be flaunted, no one should be offended by someone exercising them. “Voters will see his actions as an example of unsound judgement of gun owners.” only voters that want to take away someone’s civil rights. “Regardless of his motive and intent, a lot of people were terrorized.” they were terrorized by the manager who pulled the fire alarm, not dmitriy. “Pro-gun rights people should not terrorize by legal display of firearms.” WTF? “The permit to carry holder, who drew his… Read more »

Country Boy
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Country Boy

1) “It is one thing to exercise rights, it is another to flaunt them”.: that’s 2nd A doubletalk. If you can’t exercise and occasionally flaunt your LEGAL 2nd A rights…you won’t have them very long. That’s why we’re at where we are now…we’ve let the antigunners make us “appease them” for far too long. 2) “Pro-gun rights people should not terrorize by legal display of firearms”. it’s not terrorizing unless someone is threatened at the end of the muzzle. And Hopolophobes will always be scared of ANY type of firearm being in “plain sight”. it’s past time to fully exercise… Read more »

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@jack, I can not agree, brother. I strongly recommend that everyone do it, so that it becomes the norm. If anti-Civil Rights people are fearful it is because they choose to be in fear.
And in fear of what? Death. We will all die. You can spend all your days from that day to this being fearful or you can choose to be not fearful.

Rattlerjake
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Rattlerjake

The people were not terrorized by the kid with the rifle, they were terrorized when the fire alarm went off! I seem to remember 40 years ago, as a young hunter, entering stores either before or after out hunting, carrying my rifle (because I couldn’t lock it in my vehicle) and NO ONE cared less! What has happened is we have allowed leftism to indoctrinate the public with fear and terror, and we’ve allowed government to get away with covert fake shootings, like Sandy Hook, to push their anti-Constitution agenda.

Bill N
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Bill N

Rights or not he demonstrated extremely poor judgement. As I see it that’s his only crime, poor judgement.

USA
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USA

Shit, young females are carrying guns into Walmart here to keep from getting kidnapped and raped and they are not going to stop because some Orion candidate shot up El Paso. If anything they will carry a lot more ammo than they used to. Last time I looked into civil war people armed up for it not down. “Poor judgement” a new liberal thought police crime not yet on the books due to there is way it could ever exist outside the mind of a liberal. If your “poor judgement” was a crime we would have all been executed at… Read more »

Rattlerjake
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Rattlerjake

What is shown by most of the comments is that the indoctrination of fear has been successful even to many “pro-gunners”. 40 years ago this incident wouldn’t have even happened because no one would have blinked an eye at this “kid” carrying a rifle into a store. But now, even pro-gun commenters are whining with a leftist slant, and they don’t even get it! This is exactly what the left wants, it is important for them to turn pro-gunners into semi-pro-gunners, then eventually into anti-gunners.

Heed the Call-up
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Heed the Call-up

I question how many negative comments are from real firearm owners. From past experience, those that claim to be firearm owners prove they are not once they start citing illegal activities as being just, such as in this case, the CC holder illegally brandishing and illegally detaining/kidnapping of the OC person, and citing that the CC holder could have legally shot him when that is clearly illegal and against any firearm and CC training ever taught.

joefoam
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joefoam

Thanks a lot dumb a$$. Even if what you did was legal it allowed the MSM to trumpet their cause.

USA
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USA

And once he sues them all reinstating your lost rights to open carry as you please you will be eating those words by the mouthful. Blaming him for the actions of the democrats propaganda arm is so ridiculous.

Will
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Will

Right,wrong,or indifferent ,…the kid did nothing legally wrong !

Cam
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Cam

Yep, open carry is legal there. Hope he sues and wins against Walmart for their employee causing an escalation of a legal action,l to a non legal arrest, the firefighter for false imprisonment and the police for false arrest.

USA
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USA

Yep.

Rattlerjake
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Rattlerjake

But the fireman “hero” did! The “kid” showed no threat, yet the fireman drew his weapon and violated this man’s right to open carry — he had no legal right to do what he did! Lets not forget that many “first responders” enjoy the freedom of carrying, through government privilege, but are still anti-gun. They truly believe that THEY have the need but regular citizens don’t.

Rec
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Rec

I don’t think this guy’s motive was to support our rights. I think it is narcissism on his part. he gave a HUGE win, probably $25 million in free publicity to the gun control lobby. If I was his tax lawyer I would be file any costs associated with this stunt as a charitable contribution to Bloomberg’s Everytown and Moms demand. He probably got some backslapping and congrats form two guys at his range — while harming the 2A. Missouri is a DEEP red state, with the GOP holding a 9 point average advantage in the last 20 years. but… Read more »

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Rec, I remember when the radical left was burning our flag, and the S. Ct said that any law preventing it was unconstitutional; that Americans have a Civil Right to burn our flag, even if it was intentionally provocative and upsetting to some people; and that the act of burning our flag was an symbolic speech.
So now a right wing guy exercises his Constitutional Rights and people call him a jerk because someone got upset. What is next, you can not exercise your right to make a profit because someone got upset?

Ej harbet
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Ej harbet

Yep he hurt the cause.he has been charged with terroristic threat second degree and the felony is gonna eff him for life.his wife just gave birth too.
This happened in my back yard basically and I’m glad I wasn’t in that walmart with my family.
Today we had a dyed in the wool democrap socialist begin a hopefully failed campaign to unseat our governor and she’s probably glad old Dimitry pulled his stunt.

Rattlerjake
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Rattlerjake

“The courts have already ruled that a jurisdiction allowing concealed carry can totally ban any open carry”, REALLY? First, I’d like the link to that decision, and secondly, what “court” are you talking about?

NotsosilentOperator
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NotsosilentOperator

Within his rights he was Im pretty sure of. But the smartest thing to do, I think not.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Notso, If he was within his rights; the Walmart employee panicked people by pulling the fire alarm, “everything” is on video tape; the firefighter held him at gun point; and the cops arrested him, then the kid has three deep pockets to go after. That’s pretty smart.
Most of us want to “fit in”. This fellow seems to have gotten over the need to “fit in”. That’s pretty smart.

willyd
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willyd

I have a CC permit in Mo, I also open carry at the local Walmart’s in my area. I often speak to the management at these stores and joke with them and have good conversations, I have never been questioned about my open carry at any of these stores other than what it is that I carry, other customers that also carry often ask what I’m carrying and we then swap on what they prefer to carry, we exercise our Second Amendment right but we don’t go out of our way to push the scare button, Dmitry, was foolish in… Read more »

Cam
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Cam

Well yea people do lots of stupid things while exercising there rights. How many people voted for Hillary Clinton and Barry befor her. Close to half the population.

Tionico
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Tionico

in Wasington State last November, 77% of GUN OWNERS failed to vote on the Bloomburg Anti Gun law that passed…… if half of them had bothered to vote against it the thing would have been rejected. SO the armchair gun owners bought this bill for the rest of us. And in Washington one does not even have to show up at a polling place. The ballots come in the mail, and return postage is FREE!!!! Besides, there are thousands of ballot drop boxes all over the state (eight in my small town) so voting could not be easier. I’d rather… Read more »

Rattlerjake
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Rattlerjake

Washington state, a leftist hellhole, and you ASSUME that these people didn’t vote. Just exactly how do you know that it wasn’t election fraud considering the lack of custody of those mail in ballots?

John
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John

No doubt the 1st gives one the right to speak, which encompasses the right not to speak. We all have been told it is better to be thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt.

This young man, in his quest to exercise 2nd Amendment, did so in a provocative manner, and removed all doubt, proving himself a fool.

Guilty of being a fool no way equates to a criminal act.

The former fireman however may not escape criminal liability so easy.

Heed the Call-up
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Heed the Call-up

He probably will not be charged in this incident, even though it is quite clear he did break the law. As a CC holder, he should have known better. He makes the rest of us look bad.

The manager, Wal-mart, the police department and the locality will be facing lawsuits due to this incident and should pay big for what they did.

USA
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USA

Uh, the local attorney on camera states that no gun laws were broken and that if El Paso would not have happened then this young man would not have been charged with terrorism unjustly. As a Constitutionalist I still believe a law must be broken to be prosecuted for a crime therefore please do state the law he broke, I’m waiting.

Will
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Will

@Heed,educate me ! Just what laws did the kid break ?

Heed the Call-up
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Heed the Call-up

USA, WIll, the CC holder violated at least two laws – laws that are discussed in CC classes and any self-defense class I have ever taken. It is illegal to brandish a firearm, and it is illegal to detain a person. You are only legally justified in drawing and/or firing your firearm when in fear of great bodily harm or death or in defense of others in similar circumstances. Since the OC person did not exhibit any overt or otherwise threats, did not point his firearm at anyone and did not show any physical threat to anyone based on his… Read more »

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@John, If one is going to test the system in a dramatic way, the tester should bring along his attorney, cameraperson, and two or three professional witnesses to pose as shoppers.

USA
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USA

Every move he made is on camera and recorded and because he got charged with terrorism the N)o S)uch A)gency data on this event is being pulled as evidence against him and it will be presented and if proves his innocents he will become very wealthy. A store commanding people to flee due to fear of a person acting lawfully will not justify a terrorism conviction.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Usa, it is always better to bring your own paid witnesses.

Will
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Will

Expert witnesses are used everyday !

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@John, No doubt that the First Amendment certainly does not give one the Civil Right to speak. The First Amendment only enshrines and enumerates our pre-political Civil Right to speak.
There is no provocative or not provocative in the pre-political Civil Right to bear arms or in the First Amendment pre-political Civil Right to speech by physical expression. Please see the flag burning S.Ct cases.

JMR
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JMR

The only one that broke a law was the wanna be cop firefighter who pointed a gun at a man who broke no laws.

Was he an idiot? Yup, did he break any laws? Nope.

If the 2a stops at other people’s emotions, I got some bad news for everyone.

Also it’s a shame how many people jumped on this, how many “pro 2a” people jumped on this.

Rattlerjake
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Rattlerjake

They don’t even realize that they have accepted the indoctrination of leftism.

MikeTX
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MikeTX

Dmitriy was being a jerk. He needs to be beat for about a week, then shipped back to Russia.

Heed the Call-up
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Heed the Call-up

He was being a jerk? Based on the story, it was the manager that was the “jerk” and the CC holder committed at least two crimes, brandishing, kidnapping/illegal detention, assault (due to pointing a firearm at someone), and probably several more with the imagination that the police and prosecutors typically exhibit.

MikeTX
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MikeTX

Dmitriy is a sick SOB – he was deliberately terrorizing Walmart shoppers by preying on their fears due to the shooting in El Paso and getting off on it like a sick bastard. Fuck him, I hope he’s punished to the fullest extent that the law will go.

1776 Patriot
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1776 Patriot

Unbelievable, that so many people are buying into the MSM/gun controller fantasy and mania that a citizen, exercising “KEEP and BEAR” Second Amendment Rights, EXACTLY as worded, is subject to censure, prosecution, and INFRINGEment. It is even sadder that so many who are braying the loudest call themselves Second Amendment supporters. Unfortunately, such folks are, just like all the current crop of Democrat candidates and President Trump, “BUT” supporters. They make statements such as, “I am a strong Second Amendment supporter BUT… In other words, a BUT supporter. The Second Amendment means what it says. If the protection of our… Read more »

xring2245
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xring2245

MikeTX, love the profanity. I guess somewhere in your background vocabulary lessons in school were useless. So, now, you are forced to use the F-bomb without regard to decency. Congrats on a meaningless life.

Tionico
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Tionico

Yup. His F Bombs are far more offensive to me than the knowledge that a citizen wandered about in a public place with a firearm visible to anyone looking his way. Don;t like the gun hanging on him? Do’t stare at it. Don’t like F Bombs in your inbox feed? Hard to NOT see them….. how about if Mike TX were to wander about in his local WalMart (I KNOW they have them in Texas… or maybe he’d brefer an HEB?) hollering that F word as loutsly as he can, every fifteen seconds, as he wanders about the store? Mike… Read more »

Heed the Call-up
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Heed the Call-up

Mike, so what law(s) did he break? I am not asking what he was charged, but what laws did he break based on the information provided in this story? We know the ex-firefighter broke at least several, and the manager created a panic, which if people were hurt, would be a prosecutable offense. OC is legal where he carried, and he was not walking around in a threatening manner nor threatened anyone, so he broke no laws. If someone is “scared” because of the way you look or what you are legally carrying should you be arrested? That was an… Read more »

SeenItAll
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SeenItAll

Perhaps they will come for you next.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Seen, et. al. Maike Taxes has slave mentality brain lock. He would surrender anything the government came after just to be “out of trouble”. And he thinks that everyone should think the same way. If he ever gets power over someone else, he will continue to think the same way.

USA
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USA

You going to beat us all? Including the women in my state that shop Walmart armed? Beat the law abiding?

RoyD
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RoyD

There probably were people in the Colonies who felt the same way about those people who wished to achieve independence from the Crown. I guess we now know which side you would have been on, right MikeTX?

MikeTX
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MikeTX

Dmitriy is a Russian jerk. I’ve worked with them and they have a sick sense of humor. This idiot deliberately did this to terrorize people, it’s that sick Russian humor that doesn’t play well here in America. He didn’t do it for the Second Amendment. Again, FUCK Dmitriy, he needs a solid beat-down.

xring2245
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xring2245

MikeTX, again? I am so unimpressed with your ignorance.

Heed the Call-up
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Heed the Call-up

Mike, having a “Russian” surname means he’s Russian? I guess you would assume I am German, based on my last name. What is your last name? Can we make ignorant bigoted comments about you based on it?

USA
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USA

Trump supporters are Russians too. Lol.

jack mac
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jack mac

Mike TX, please remove the “TX” from your handle. I find your use of it most embarrassing.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@jack mac, The TX could not possibly be an abbreviation for Texas. It just could not be! I’m thinking it stands for taxes, as in FED. INC. TX. Yes, I am sure of it Make Taxes.

Tionico
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Tionico

you must have an attitude problem, Mike TX, because the Russians you seem to know seem to be sick idiots. I know a number of Russian people, and Romanians, Bosnians, Albanians, and all of them are wonderful people, most of whom like guns and the fact we here on this dirtpatch are free to carry them about and own them.
“F” who?

CCW
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CCW

Some Russians are pretty damn smart (and tough).. They’ve already stolen a Presidential election (if you believe the last 4 years of TV ).. Also, it’s no secret (in other countries) that America is the only place where you can spill coffee on yourself at Mcdonald’s and get paid a million dollars for your troubles. Do you know any poor Russian immigrants who would NOT be willing to get arrested (and released a few hours later) and take a beating for a million (+) dollars (and the beating probably won’t happen if the cops know cameras rolling)? All without having… Read more »

Donttreadonme
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You are part of the problem. Since its legal, he did nothing wrong. If more people were prepared then bad guys would think twice.

Dont be so small kinded.

Donttreadonme
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Minded

RoyD
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RoyD

They say, “A mind is a terrible thing to waste.” I say, “A terrible mind is a thing to waste.”

Bowserb46
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Bowserb46

Jerk, moron, idiot–or another liberal ploy to stir up anti-2A sentiment. We’ve had licensed open handgun carry in Texas for several years now, but I’ve still not seen anyone openly carrying a handgun. In fact, in recent years I almost never see the old time standard redneck standard–a rifle or shotgun in a rack in the back window of a pickup truck–even though I live amongst the reddest of rednecks and hilliest of hillbillies. Why? Where are their guns? I guess even hillbillies know advertising that you have a gun is an invitation to nothing good. If this kid is… Read more »

Oldmarine
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Oldmarine

Why??? Because he obeyed the Law ??? …He is just a kid standing up for citizens rights. Can anyone who is a citizen judge another law abiding citizen? Doing so makes a person a BIG HYPOCRITE. Keeping you nose out of other peoples business is the American Way. You Must see a threat before acting like a Hero. ( otherwise you become a threat to citizens ) Law enforcement is in the same category as an Armed citizen. (Natural and Civil Law ) Removing someone’s self defense means you assume that responsibility. (Not Good) Liability is now on you. Remaining… Read more »

Will
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Will

@MikeTX,maybe it’s you that should be shipped to Russia. There’s no way you’re native Texan like me. Must be a transplant.

USA
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USA

A local attorney there in Missouri is on camera saying that if the recent terror attacks would not have happened this guy probably would not be charged with a crime that ultimately no crime was committed based upon known circumstances. Police state this guy is lucky to be alive although the El Paso shooter was taken alive after killing 22 people. Think about that. Antifa assaults people on the streets of America while armed and is classified as a terrorist group by DHS yet they are still walking around armed. One could easily make the argument that due to recent… Read more »

RoyD
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RoyD

I agree 100%.