Bloomberg Propagandists Say ‘Close DUI Loophole’

Alcohol doesn’t mix with guns, either. Photographer: Joe Raedle/Getty Images
Alcohol doesn’t mix with guns, either. Photographer: Joe Raedle/Getty Images

U.S.A. – -(Ammoland.com)- “The combination of guns and alcohol is especially dangerous, and far too little has been done to address it,” the Bloomberg Opinion Editorial Board hyperventilates. “Federal law doesn’t restrict access to guns by people with a history of alcohol abuse, and fewer than half of U.S. states impose prohibitions of this kind.”

You see where this is going. And to prove how “evidence-based” their conclusion of heightened danger is, the Bloombergians cite a 2013 “report” by “a consortium of leading researchers,” comprised of unbiased, honest brokers such as Lori Haas, Josh Horwitz, and Garen Wintemute.

No agenda in that “science”…

Then the editors cited a more recent “study,” one claiming “Handgun purchasers with a prior DUI have a greater risk for serious violence…”

“Our study suggests that handgun purchasers with a DUI conviction on their record at the time of purchase have a higher incidence of future violence and crime compared to purchasers without DUI convictions,” author/contributor Rose Kagawa asserts.

“Suggests”? The title claims it’s a done deal. And these people want disarmament edicts enacted based on suggestions? And their data is based on “arrests,” not “convictions”? Hey, that seems “good” enough for Red Flag Laws.

What’s missing from all the smoke and noise is an indication of how many who are actually committing “crimes of violence” with guns are already “prohibited persons” for other reasons. A common bait-and-switch is to draw general conclusions from tainted populations—that way, by not showing which part of the whole engages in destructive and criminal behavior, they can present risks as across-the-board, rather than mostly confined to aberrant subsets.

Put another way, how many NRA members, arguably the most heavily-armed civilian population on the planet, have first been convicted of driving under the influence and then been convicted of “murder, rape, robbery or aggravated assault”? With all that data, the agenda “scientists” ought to be able to answer that one in a second.

“It’s hardly draconian, banning firearm transfers to anyone convicted of three or more alcohol-related driving violations in five years,” the Editorial Board asserts. “The District of Columbia prohibits firearm sales to anyone convicted of two or more alcohol-and-driving violations, also within five years.”

They’re moving down, aren’t they? Three, then two…

Do you think any would say “No” to “one”? Face it, doctrinaire gun-grabbers don’t want us armed even if we have no convictions. This isn’t about public safety, it’s about another inroad to total citizen disarmament.

As for people who have proven they can’t or won’t control themselves, taking their tools but leaving them able to harm others is never the solution. And that’s why real due process is so important.

And it’s curious that the gun-grabbers all seem silent on the population with a documented “increased risk for problem drinking,” not to mention “a mental health crisis” over suicide: The “Only Ones.”

“[L]ike gun owners with convictions for domestic abuse, gun owners with DUI convictions are a discrete and dangerous group,” the lackeys for the man who would be king conclude. For lawmakers eager to make progress against gun violence, they’re too good a target to ignore.”

Interesting choice of a word, “target.” When you’re talking about human beings, those who would rule prefer if they can’t shoot back.


About David Codrea:David Codrea

David Codrea is the winner of multiple journalist awards for investigating/defending the RKBA and a long-time gun owner rights advocate who defiantly challenges the folly of citizen disarmament. He blogs at “The War on Guns: Notes from the Resistance,” is a regularly featured contributor to Firearms News, and posts on Twitter: @dcodrea and Facebook.

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Alan1018
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Alan1018

Actually, federal law does restrict access to firearms. If you read the 4473 and answer yes to the question of are you a habitual drunkard the dealer will deny you the purchase. the disconnect here is how many DUIs make you a habitual drunkard? 3, 5, 7? So it would seem to be up to the permit issuing authority.

Heed the Call-up
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Heed the Call-up

Thankfully in my state we do not have “permits” or licenses to purchase firearms, though we still have “permits” for CC. Unfortunately, our Governor (D-VA) is extremely anti-rights, so we will not get Constitutional carry any time soon. We may even lose the state legislature to the Leftists this Fall, too. And they have made it a point to let us know that if they get control, they will pass every gun control law they can think of.

freedom isnt cheap
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freedom isnt cheap

H.M.F! Hot Muzzles First!

Big George
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Big George

I’ll tell ya what’s next! Mikey Bloombuttberg wants to close the ‘Flatulence Loophole’!!…if you fart it just MIGHT set off your ‘assault rifle’!!! Hey…one discharge to another!

Get Out
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Get Out

What’s the next lie Bloomberg would like to see where firearms can be taken, an unpaid parking ticket, jaywalking ticket, disabled payments, etc.? Maybe Bloomberg shouldn’t travel around the countryside with his armed security while advocating this BS gun control schemes.
DUI should result in the loss of driving privileges and not as a gun control scheme. Eff’em

Dave in Fairfax
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Dave in Fairfax

Aim Higher. You forgot the Alive and Breathing loophole.

Tionico
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Tionico

One more iteration of the “three felonies a day” meme. don’t pay your fed income taxes? Call it a felony. behind on your child support payments cause you’re injured and off work? Doesnt matter. Still a felony. In my county shooting a cat is a felony, even if it is a feral nuisance cat terrorising MY property. They spend time thinking up new ways to get more folks on the “disability for firearms” list, one more way of disarming one more American. A veteran who nearly flunked out of high school and has no skill in simple maths asks for… Read more »

Dan
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Dan

Bloomberg is incorrect about alcohol not being on the form 4473. Line E . FDA list Alcohol as a drug ( depressant) . Then again the liberal democrats had Alcoholism place in the healthcare category as a disease. Now Alcoholics can collet disability . .

Stag
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Stag

#Infringement
#AllArmsLawsAreUnconstitutional

tomcat
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tomcat

Bloomberg the want to be king. In all my years on this earth I have never needed or wanted a nanny and I don’t now. Who does this asshat think he is. Big deal, he bought his way into being the mayor of NYC. I don’t look on that of any big accomplishment because anyone could get those city dwelling scums to vote for them if you gave them enough free stuff. Maybe he will go the way of Cummins and we will be free from having to listen to him any longer. It would be good riddance of bad… Read more »

Sisu
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Sisu

I am glad you included that third to last paragraph. DUI/DWI laws are not applied equally – it’s not only LEOs who get “passes” but those connected to them (family and friends; that’s what those small “courtesy badges” and “cards” are about), and equally important elected officials, judges and bureaucrats. I suspect this is the reason only those “officials” who are “abusive” get reported in the “news”; there are few others reported. The reports over the years of my own Congressional representative are many and from varied independent sources, dating back more than a decade to when a DA and… Read more »

AnotherLEO
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AnotherLEO

Being as 10,874 people were killed in 2017 from DUI crashes… doesnt it seem more logical to take away driving privileges? That would have the added benefit of not violating constitutional rights.. the truth is this has nothing to do with public safety…. it is a race to disarm Americans by Liberals bent on repealing EVERY amendment… I love statistics as it is the easiest way to show that a liar is in fact a liar Chances of being struck by lightning in 1 year… 1 in 700,000 Number of people killed by “rifles” including the AR15 “assault weapon” in… Read more »

Autsin Miller III
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Autsin Miller III

Well said! That is a great example that I will “Borrow” from you! It is that kind of simple but powerful example that will stay with people. It’s easy for them to understand and remember and they can put their fear into perspective when stated that way!

Gene Ralno
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Gene Ralno

Doubtlessly, these cuckoos already have “disturbing the peace complaints” in their cross-hairs. Red flag laws were created to dilute power licensed to the psychiatric community and transfer it to unqualified persons more obedient to democrats, e.g., local judges and crotchety old aunts. Due process requires reports from two psychiatrists, one from each side, legal representation, arraignment, indictment and trial by jury. Democrats and weak minded Republicans are victims of Bloomberg’s version of a bum’s rush. Politicians on both sides who support this notion will regret the day they ever heard of red flag laws. Nobody wants criminals to have firearms… Read more »

Mack
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Mack

David, although you make a good point in referring to the alcohol abuse problem among ‘The Only Ones’ you should also consider another demographic: Latinos. Review this Ann Coulter column from August (I won’t give the LINK; takes too long): “Our illegal Latino drunk-driving problem” [SNIP] Remember to watch out for drunk driving illegal aliens! The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has issued report after report showing that Hispanics are wildly overrepresented in drunk driving accidents (but also contribute so much to our cultural life, musical heritage and landscape!). Or, as the Huffington Post puts it: “Latinos At Greater… Read more »

Oldvet
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Oldvet

The next red flag will be “if you have ever voted republican you are legally insane “

UncleT
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UncleT

Ohio REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR Mike Dewine has this in his version of his Red Flag Law that he calls “Safety Protection Order” like a good little Authoritarian Tyrant.

Dan
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Dan

Who said something about giving up freedom for safety deserves neither .

Will
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Will

Franklin,…I think !

Bowserb46
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Bowserb46

Evidence suggests that drug and alcohol use by members of congress exceeds that of the general population by 50%. Maybe a DUI should disqualify a person from a job as a congressman or senator. Or for that matter, a DUI should be automatic termination from any government job.

Stripeseven
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Stripeseven

There they go again. Showing that ill assumed, systematic pattern of power, control, and inappropriate restrictions against the American people. They never give up. Nutz….

Mark 2nd
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Mark 2nd

Not Nutz – NAZIS. Cut from the same cloth with EXACTLY the same agenda.

nrringlee
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nrringlee

By any means necessary. This is the credo of the progressive new left and has been the methodology of progressives for over 120 years. Any junk science can justify any ban for any “noble” reason.” Take a good look at the history of forced sterilization, eugenics, misogyny ;and alcohol bans and other brilliant ideas designed to lead us all by the noses to their interpretation of utopia. Disarming the American public has always topped that list. So by any means necessary they will create arguments to convince Americans to give up their natural rights and legacy of God given liberty.… Read more »

Oldvet
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Oldvet

You forgot abortion

ras52
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ras52

OV, 10 4 to that!

ras52
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ras52

Thanks David, very good post. The enemy will do anything to try and take our rights. This is just another of their devious ideas on how to accomplish that goal.