Virginia’s Lobby Day Was A Massive Success

Richmond Aftermath: Is Dem Gun Control Push Political Suicide? Photo by John Crump
Virginia's Lobby Day Was A Massive Success, Photo by John Crump

Richmond, VA-(Ammoland.com)-The media told us for weeks that VCDL's annual Lobby Day was going to be another Charlottesville. In Charlottesville, white nationalists clashed with Antifa.

Virginia's Governor, Ralph Northam, declared a state of emergency and banned all guns from Capitol Square. Northam even left the state fleeing to North Carolina. Another Democrat fled to a “safe house” and claimed on Twitter that police wanted to kill him.

An NBC news personality claimed that the pro-gun gathering was a “white supremacist” rally. Police surrounded the Capitol with dump trucks. The whole city was bracing for an influx of far-right groups coming to set off the next civil war.

That was the narrative that the anti-gun lobby pushed out to the media, but for a few hours on Monday morning, the area surrounding the Capitol in Richmond became the safest place in the country.

“The whole white supremacist nonsense was to prevent us from showing up,” said Aubrey James of Norfolk. “They don't want a black man like me to stand up for my rights. Democrats are the most racist people on the planet. They elected a known racist to be the Governor of Virginia so what do you expect?”

Gun owners from all over the Commonwealth and from all over the country showed up in droves to tell lawmakers, not only in Virginia but around the country, that enough was enough.

Gun owners from all over the Commonwealth and from all over the country showed up in droves
Gun owners from all over the Commonwealth and from all over the country showed up in droves.

“Not one more inch!” was feeling in the crowd. By the time the speakers took the stage at 11 AM, tens of thousands of gun owners had assembled in Capitol Square (nicked named the freedom cage) and in the surrounding streets.

“This is a great experience and a perfect example of why guns aren't the problem,” Devin Perkins of Chantilly, told me at the rally. “I am proud to be a part of such a historical event.”

About six thousand-gun owners entered the Capitol grounds unarmed. Thousands of more gun owners crowded the streets surrounding the Capitol armed with everything from a small Ruger LCP to a Barrett. According to Democrats and the mainstream media, violence was sure to break out. None did. Overall the crowd was incredibly peaceful.

Everyone I talked to was incredibly polite and bonded together over gun-rights. The feared white supremacist was nowhere in sight. The group was diverse. There were American flags, Virginia flags, and even a gay pride flag with “Don't Tread on Me” written on it with the rattlesnake.

The feared white supremacist was nowhere in sight. The group was diverse.
The feared white supremacist was nowhere in sight. The group was diverse.
Virginia's Lobby Day Was A Massive Success
Virginia's Lobby Day Was A Massive Success

Moments Before the speakers took the stage (used figuratively because there wasn't an actual stage), pro-gun lawmakers stood on the top of the Capitol Steps and waved to the crowd. That caused the sea of gun owners to erupt in cheers. It was deafening.

Philip Van Cleave, the President of VCDL, kicked things off and gave a fiery speech. He has been fighting for gun rights in the Commonwealth for over two decades ever since Virginia Citizens Defense League was the Northern Virginia Citizens Defense League. This event is the 18th year Van Cleave and the VCDL has held a lobby day rally.

Erich Pratt, Senior Vice President of Gun Owners of America, also spoke about Governor “Black Face” and his Bloomberg funded plan to infringe on our gun rights. GOA and the VCDL has an excellent working relationship. Being the Virginia Director of GOA, I am in constant communication with my counterparts at the VCDL.

“Lobby Day sent a powerful message that won't soon be forgotten,” Pratt told AmmoLand. “Thousands upon thousands of gun rights advocates came to Richmond to reject Gov. Ralph “Blackface” Northam's gun control agenda. And contrary to the liberal media's spin, the attendees were a very diverse group of extremely peaceful gun owners. However, this Lobby Day is just the beginning. Gun owners in Virginia and across the country must increase our activism to protect our precious liberties.”

About six thousand-gun owners entered the Capitol grounds unarmed.
About six thousand-gun owners entered the Capitol grounds unarmed.
Thousands of more gun owners crowded the streets surrounding the Capitol armed with everything from a small Ruger LCP to a Barrett
Thousands of more gun owners crowded the streets surrounding the Capitol armed with everything from a small Ruger LCP to a Barrett.

GOA's Director of outreach, Antonia Okafor, also spoke to the crowd. Okafor spent her time before joining the GOA team training college women how to protect themselves with a firearm. She felt it was essential to fly out to Richmond from Colorado to speak at the rally.

Delegate Nick Freitas also fired up the crowd. He spoke about his campaign for the US Congress. The Delegate announced his endorsement from GOA PVF. Most importantly, he reminded the crowd that Epstein didn't kill himself.

State Senator Amanda Chase also spoke to the rally. Sen Chase made headlines by calling for Northam to resign the Governorship. She is one of the most pro-gun senators in the state. She is known for open carrying on the floor of the Senate.

Delegate John McGuire spoke to the crowd. He is a business owner and former Navy SEAL. He is staunchly pro-gun and has been working to protect the Second Amendment in Virginia since 2017.

Stephen Willeford, who engaged an active shooter with an AR15 in a Texas church, spoke to the crowd. He chased a mass shooter in his bare feet, saving countless lives in the process. He felt it was important to use his voice to help Virginia.

York Sheriff Danny Diggs joined Culpeper Sheriff Scott Jenkins in speaking at the rally. Jenkins threatened to deputize the whole county if needed to protect its citizen's rights. Diggs has also stood firm against proposed overbearing gun laws.

Cam Edwards of Cam & Co and editor of Bearing Arms took to the stage to speak to the crowd. Edwards is a citizen of Virginia and spoke out against gun laws he views as unconstitutional on the state and national level. Also, local talk show host Jeff Katz spoke about the importance of the Second Amendment.

Dick Heller, of the famous Heller vs DC case, laid down the facts about why the right to bear arms is critical to our state and our country. Dr. Veronica Slootzsky also showed that not everyone in the medical profession is an anti-gun extremist. Gun rights activist, Anthony Myers, also echoed the themes of the day in his speech.

Overall the rally was a massive success.
Overall the rally was a massive success.

After the speakers finished their speeches, the gun owners spent time picking up trash. They left the Capitol grounds spotless. People who were there the night before said the grounds looked better than before the rally began.

At the end of the day, there was no violence. There were no injuries. The only arrest was an Antifa member who refused to remove the bandanna covering her face.

Overall the rally was a massive success. The only thing that was left behind was a full-size guillotine left as a reminder to the VA Legislature that we are no longer compromising our rights away.


About John CrumpJohn Crump

John is a NRA instructor and a constitutional activist. He is the former CEO of Veritas Firearms, LLC and is the co-host of The Patriot News Podcast which can be found at www.blogtalkradio.com/patriotnews. John has written extensively on the patriot movement including 3%'ers, Oath Keepers, and Militias. In addition to the Patriot movement, John has written about firearms, interviewed people of all walks of life, and on the Constitution. John lives in Northern Virginia with his wife and sons and is currently working on a book on leftist deplatforming methods and can be followed on Twitter at @crumpyss, on Facebook at realjohncrump, or at www.crumpy.com.

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StLPro2A

Hmm,massive successive? Didn’t they just ignore the 2A crowd and pass anti-2A legislation the next week? Massive success???

StLPro2A
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StLPro2A

“…..Democrats are the most racist people on the planet. They elected a known racist to be the Governor of Virginia so what do you expect?” DUH, ya think??? Let’s recall. Aw, yes, the KKK, Jim Crowe laws, et el, et el. All aimed at depriving blacks the ability to self defense and to protect their rights and their families. All created by Southern Democrats…..who largely were the slave owners. But, the northern Conservatives fought to free the blacks from the Southern Democrat Cotton Plantations. Then, the Democrats realized that there is more power, control, and money in Government than cotton.… Read more »

Savage
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Savage

No sorry it was not a “massive success”.

deploratechie
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deploratechie

I concur with the general sentiments. i appreciate all the out-of-state support we had here last week – we Virginians thank each of you for helping to make our day a success, and stick it to the lying media in the process! So many disappointed journalists this past week!

Gdubb
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Gdubb

This was beautifully done folks. As good as it could have possibly been done. The communists have to be fuming. The only things left to do now are change the liberal minds of the majority of the libtards living in the metro areas, or force an electoral college-type election system. If at least one of these things fails to happen, VA will unfortunately continue to fall into communism just like CA, NY and NJ.

Knute
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Knute

Or join WV and leave them in the People’s Republik of Richmond…

RoyD
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RoyD

I want you to see this video about the situation in China because in it is a message which we would agree with and is at the heart of our struggle regarding the possession and use of firearms. If you watch it and pay attention you will hear/read it. Turn on the closed caption feature.

Knute
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Knute

So very sad…
“My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge” -Hosea 4:6

Knute
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Knute

How sad.
“My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge” -Hosea 4:6

Knute
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Knute

I make my own silver colloid. Have been since 1999. I used to have a problem controlling the particulate size and quantity, but once I figured out how important proper temperature control of the distilled water is, I solved that problem. Working now on colloidal gold…. And, man have you got it bad there in Colorado. Geez, I thought it was bad here when I had to throw the census taker off the property for refusing to leave after I wouldn’t tell her how many toilets and toasters I had! I did answer her. “None of your business”! She didn’t… Read more »

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@USA, What kind of explosives does your certification allow you to obtain?

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@USA, Ok, that is cool.

Knute
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Knute

They get real upset here too, when they learn that they are powerless against a land patent, AKA a real land title. Everybody only knows “deeds”, but they always miss the teeny little preceding word “warranty”. All a warranty deed is is a document assuring the buyer that if the actual owners of the stolen property that they bought from a bank shows up at your door to claim their property, said bank will pay all your court cost in the following legal battle. That is your “warranty”, which like all other agreements becomes null as soon as said corporation… Read more »

Knute
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Knute

Ain’t cognitive dissonance really something? The ability to deny the very stuff they stand upon. I’ve had similar experiences more than a decade ago when chemtrails first came to Montana. As a licensed pilot, I could see instantly that that shit wasn’t normal. So I started mentioning it in daily life. I’m not talking about government employees now, but normal folks and friends. Few would even look up at the heavy jets flying at 15,000 feet and bother to notice the details of the plane, whereas jet traffic should be above 30,000 feet, at which distance it appears as just… Read more »

Sisu
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RoyD
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RoyD

A co-worker of mine actually had blue skin due to taking silver. Quite odd. And a freak to boot.

RoyD
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RoyD

All I know is that he looked like a Smurf. Smart, but very weird.

Knute
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Knute

Usually Argeria (skin discolorations due to silver in the body) is due to improperly made colloidal sliver or some other way of getting whole body silver contamination, like silver prescribed by doctors (NON colloidal silver) or long time workers in silver mines, or people that habitually eat off of actual silver “silverware” and tableware. Argeria is the reason the rich are sometimes called “blue bloods”. In the dark ages many of those who could afford real silver tableware often turned blue from it, thus the term. It’s also where we get the term “born with a silver spoon in his… Read more »

Knute
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Knute

The only time I even shower in tap water is at hotels. The 20 acre plot where I live has it’s own well, and the ranch up north has two deep water wells into the Hudson Bay Aquifer. THAT is GOOD water, up there. My home place is not so soft and tasty, but still wellwater. Many steps above treated city poisons. but I still buy filtered water for the taste, when I run out of water I packed home from Hudson Bay. That’s yet another project on my list. Construct a cistern here and haul Hudson Bay water down… Read more »

Knute
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Knute

Speaking of turning blue from Argeria, 20 years ago a local Montana rep, a libertarian, turned himself blue making silver colloid with hard well water. His name is Stan Jones. He admitted it all after the press vilified him for it. It was pretty much the end of his political career. He would just make an 8 ounce batch every day, in a water glass with his well water, leave the apparatus on for 20 minutes (causing a tremendous amount of silver compounds to be generated… instead of atomic silver in minute quantities) and then drink it all down and… Read more »

Knute
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Knute

My grandfather too. His old rain barrel is still there by the corner of the house at the ranch. Or rather, the remains of it… 🙂 My grandma’s cloths line is still there too. Grandpas horse tack still hangs in the barn. Everything was horse drawn in his day.

Knute
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Knute

It’s a broad spectrum germicide. Effective at killing some 700+ bacteria and counting. Not the flora in your gut, though, so it’s the perfect anti-biotic. Not for big pharma though, since it is wayyyyy too old to patent. So they bury it instead. It treats pink eye in about 30 seconds. Cannot say “cure”, that word is only allowed to be used by MDs. There’s the statutes for you. Without a medical doctor’s certificate, I can only use the word “treat”. Freedom of speech and all sort of rot, wot? Anyway, when they were younger my kids got pink eye… Read more »

Deplorable Bill
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Deplorable Bill

Today is a good day. We are not yet in a shooting war with the corrupt officials in government. That being said, ALL gun control laws/proposals/actions are constitutionally illegal. Those who legislate, judge, lawyer, enforce and finance laws that are unconstitutional are disavowing their oath of office and are thus treasonous. There is a lawful, legitimate, rightful and final recompense for treason. The price for treason is literally death although I would add a PUBLIC TARRING AND FEATHERING to be used as prison clothing until sentence is carried out. I do have some rope. Unless the Va. government (in this… Read more »

Buster
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Buster

@DeplorableBill If the founding fathers were alive today, they would have: Disarmed and arrested all LEO’s at the site, and shoot any that did not comply with orders to disarm (this part would likely turn bloody). Commandeered the building and any LE equipment on the site. Declared marshal law, and placed a sheriff in charge of all state and local LE. Ordered all federal LE in the state to stand down or face disarming/arrest. Issued arrest warrants for anyone complicitous in the unconstitutional activity and hold them in solitary confinement without bail. Set up an interm government, and rescinded ALL… Read more »

Mark 2nd
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Here I am again, joining in late as usual. I’ve gotta say Bill, you’re spot on. I think most of us here know and understand exactly where all this is going. In your post you mention what communism does for the average “subject”. We Americans were never meant to be “subjects”. The “subjects” are supposed to be those “serving” in our so called “government”, although those in “government” no longer work for the people and only “serve” themselves. We have allowed ourselves to become “subjects”. We have allowed ourselves to be RULED rather than governed by laws of our own… Read more »

Degforyou
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Degforyou

I beg to differ from first shot, they want fire 1st shot. Slowly they will take our rights till we have none then be to late. I think we the people keep hearing leaks from different avenues about corruption in White House about to be prosecuted and causing everyone to hang on to give it a chance to stop the blood shed. Got to be some hope of it working. I’m almost beyond waiting.

Mark 2nd
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Mark 2nd

I might be wrong Deg, but I think antifa will fire the first shot. Make no mistake, the radical communist left is itching for a fight. They believe they have the weight of numbers on their side and they believe they can win. Really, if you think about it, the left has already fired the first shot. People have been killed under the so called “red flag” blatantly illegal “laws”. We are going to be the last freedom fighters in the world. We must fight with everything at our disposal. We must fight dirty because we must win at all… Read more »

Link
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Link

If they pass anything of the crap anti-gun stuff being pushed the rally is a failure.

Firewagon
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“Northam even left the state fleeing to North Carolina. Another Democrat fled to a “safe house” and claimed on Twitter that police wanted to kill him.” LOL! These are our ‘fearless’ “repressors,” not leaders, in action! As far as being a “Massive Success,” I believe any success has to be measured by how Virginia’s ‘elected’ servants respond. Do they continue their attempt to slice and dice our rights into something unusable, or do they begin to abide by that constitutional Amendment? Virginians would definitely be better off if there was some way they could keep Northam in North Carolina! I’m… Read more »

joefoam
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joefoam

I have to agree with the commenters questioning the ‘success’ of the rally. It did show the citizens of VA were willing to brave poor weather to voice their concerns, the diversity of gun owners and the civility of the crowd unlike the antifa debacles. It did not faze the lawmakers from the path of unconstitutional law enactment. The best you could hope for is that other state legislatures to take notice and back off on the gun control.

jack mac
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jack mac

There are several responses here saying that the rally was not successful because some of the laws were passed. Our public servants have become enough of our masters to disregard who they consider the masses. The major news media also assure that such a rally is not widely regarded. This rally was highly successful in showing that a very large number of armed citizens can be mustered. I just learned of the guillotine being present by John’s article here. Apparently another item not deemed news worthy by the major broadcasting corporations. It would be a good idea to put one… Read more »

deploratechie
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deploratechie

100% dead on, brother. Many of the laws did make it through the Senate and are headed to GA, but we never expected this rally to halt these bills. Our fight is far from over, but the moral victory last Monday – at least for me – is that when any of us need help, we all show up. And we can do so in an organized manner with little leeway. This, more than anything else, should terrify anyone who styles themelves after the fashion of a tyrant. For our state motto is not “Virginia is for lovers,” but SIC… Read more »

CourageousLion
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CourageousLion

Success? Success will be when they are all rounded up and tried for treason and hung. That will be success. Until then…enjoy your infringements.

Buster
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Buster

@CourageousLion Bingo!

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@CL, But … there are millions of them. That would be millions rounded up, fed, guarded and housed while awaiting trial. Then millions of trials, lawyers, judges, feeding, guarding and housing. That is a a hell of a lot of time, money, personnel, and labor. Can’t we just cut their throat, as we come to them, and move on?

Firewagon
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Firewagon

Just in the way, Nicholson accomplished the deed in “The Missouri Breaks!”

Knute
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Knute

There is a better way. This system is corrupt and useless, so why would we attempt to use it to punish those in control of it? The answer will be found in citizen tribunals. After the coming changes, the guilty will be so obvious (as they are now, but many cannot yet see the noses on their face) as to require trails of only minutes in length. About the same amount of time required for a hanging. While the tribunal is deciding on the issue of guilt and sentences, others can be carrying out said sentences in the courtyards out… Read more »

Ansel Hazen
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Ansel Hazen

That’s where HANSOBS come in. Cleaning house as you say in every state.

Knute
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Knute

“They must never, ever find out what we have done, for if they do, we shall have no place to run, for it will be easy to see who we are once the veil has fallen. Our actions will have revealed who we are and they will hunt us down and no person shall give us shelter. ” -the secret covenant

Finnky
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Finnky

@USA – For first video, are you advocating increasing legal authority of police? Perhaps increasing their individual discretion – so that rogue cops are even more “off the leash?” For second video, another Clint Eastwood (mis)quote… “dying anti much of a way to make a living”. Going door to door implementing tyranny seems likely to inspire resistance. OTOH – New Orleans present a strong counter example. Clearly we need to be organize do for community defense in event of emergency – if NOPD did it, and this POS says he’ll do it – we have to be prepared to defend… Read more »

Finnky
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Finnky

@USA – Thanks for that. Looked like maybe you agreed with first video where people are griping that cops won’t arrest someone based on random accusations. Didn’t sound consistent with the rest of what you post – so I was confused as well as offended…
I’m with your prayers. Don’t think violence will ever solve our long term problems – but could be required to survive short term threats.

a.x. perez
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a.x. perez

Whatever “success” was achieved will matter only if the Democrats are voted out of office in Virginia and elsewhere.

Hankus
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Hankus

A success by what measure? The Dims are still going to ram through the same crap they had planned before the rally. Error 404: No effect found.

loveaduck
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loveaduck

The pols are still putting forth their anti 2A bills. How is that a success?

jack mac
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jack mac

Jeez, Loveaduck, There is only one way to stop despots from trying to oppress. Over 20 thousand armed citizens showed that they know the way.

vbirddogs
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vbirddogs

I don’t see it as being a success until there’s change and the law abiding citizens get their RIGHTS BACK!!!

jack mac
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jack mac

vberddogs: Let’s make that all free citizens. There are way too many law-abiding citizens being subjugate into the prohibited underclass. We can ill afford such loss from our ranks.

Knute
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Knute

Someone. somewhere, summed that up nicely in just seven words. “A house divided against itself cannot stand!” The elite power brokers have always understood this, and divided humanity into sub-classes and sub-sub-classes and so on. If they can keep the blacks hating the whites, and the young at war with the old, and the women at war with the men, etc., everyone fighting each other, then none of these classes will ever notice their life blood being slowly drained from them by those they worship as their Grand Poobahs (Or Kings, Ministers, Presidents, or any other alphabet soup meaning the… Read more »

Finnky
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Finnky

@Knute – Founding fathers sure seem to have had great understanding of the vagaries of human nature. Also had great insight as to unforeseeable technical and societal changes. The constitution is an amazing work of are, laying out ground rules for social evolution – with basically two absolutes: power resides in “the people” and the second amendment. Many on both the left and right ignore or are ignorant to fact that none of individual freedom, individual security, peace and prosperity are NOT part of the natural human condition. Yet with only a few counter examples – we have retained all… Read more »

Knute
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Knute

I don’t see how a thinking mind can disagree with that. I think your down votes are those instigators, and so I wiped out at least one of ’em.
Can someone else step up to take down the other, please????

Knute
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Knute

I think I should make something clear. To remove corruption might well take violence, but IMO such must be done as a group. Few realize that the old saw about “taking the law into your own hands”, refers to an individual and not a group. All governments are just groups of people. But if all the decisions are made by a single individual, it is a dictatorship. Otherwise, the decisions are made by a group, so a citizen council is every bit as much a government as the Federal Government of the US. If a citizen council takes over by… Read more »

MICHAEL J
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MICHAEL J

Democrats are arrogant and unfettered by anything unless they are unseated. No longer must we hear “Low voter turnout”, this is how leftest democrats infest our government.

Littlejohn1411
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Littlejohn1411

Latest podcast from the tenth amendment center concerning the Second Amendment.

Some guy
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Some guy

Yea, big success…… Y’all keep telling yourself that…… Nothing but a big waste of effort. Might have even hurt your cause…..

Littlejohn1411
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Littlejohn1411

USA, This is looking good, unfortunately the guillotine at the rally was a fake but a nice warning to northam, I’m pretty sure that one is real. If they get their hands on that governor we just might get to see that sucker in action!

Knute
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Knute

This is yet another reason that hanging is so much better. I could probably build a full scale guillotine in a few days, but I can tie a noose and find a tree in a few minutes, and I’m from the plains of Montana, where trees are few and far between.
My old ex-brother-in-law, who’s from Spokane in Washington State, used to say that when he moved here, they told him: “in Montana there’s gorgeous women behind every tree”. He said that sounded good, but he never got the joke until he got here. 🙂

Dave in Fairfax
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Dave in Fairfax

USA, perhaps the problem is Nullam arboribus or possibly inopia arborum.

John
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John

The VA legislature does not seem to hold same belief – they passed their version of RFL thereafter. The bill encourages voluntarily compliance by the victim (gun owner) to turn over weapons to LEOs. LEOs are required to record the make, model, caliber, serial number AND condition of all firearms seized. What may be pristine to an experienced purchaser/owner of a firearm could get a rating of average condition by the LEO not trained in the metrics of appraisal. I reckon it doesn’t really matter as the RFL provides immunity, both civil and criminal, to the LEO and agency, from… Read more »

CourageousLion
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CourageousLion

NOW would be the time to storm the capitol when they least expect it with about 100 well armed patriots to take out these slimy stinking pieces of human SHIT and hang their ass or shoot them in the head.

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cav2108
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cav2108

Uh, yeah. Massive. Leftist government then went right on ahead and passed their anti-gun legislation anyway. Massive

Miket
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Miket

It will be successful when gun owners show up in mass to vote the bastards out of office.

CourageousLion
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CourageousLion

Vote them out with the bullet box.

Knute
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Knute

That what it’s there for: “You have four boxes to maintain your liberties; soapbox, ballot box, jury box, ammo box. Use in that order.” -one of the founders, I forget which. And that is where we are at. The soapbox, which today is TV, radio, and internet, is totally corrupted, and thus useless, and has been since Motorola stole television from its inventor, Philo Farmer, almost a century ago. The ballot box is useless, since it is now almost all electronic with zero security. The grand jury box has become so corrupt that in virtually every State, they just rubber… Read more »

Deusvult
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Deusvult

Here is a short video at the Rally..Elbow to elbow, there was not much room to maneuver…even though this didn’t change the decisions of liberals in power, it was worth the time/money to be there…

Deusvult
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Deusvult

I was at the rally. It was good to see patriots standing up for their 2A rights. I met people from all over the country.

That being said, this rally did nothing to change the minds of the Democrats that now hold power in Virginia…They are ramming thru anti-gun laws regardless.

Peaceful assembly accomplished nothing….

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Terry
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Terry

Love the sign!

KenW
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KenW

Hell some politicians are nothing but criminal.

Knute
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Knute

What Will said. I’d go even further and say I cannot think of even ONE federal level politician who hasn’t committed at least one felony. Certainly, they escape punishment through control of the system, but the lack of charges only means that they got away with it, not that they aren’t guilty.

BowserB
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Of course they didn’t change their minds. They’re following orders from their bosses: the DNC and Michael Bloomberg. They want to be sure to have plenty of money for their next campaigns.

These socialist Democrats don’t consider themselves as working for the people so much as for the party. Of course, the fact that they were elected (by a 40% voter turnout) allows them to say they’re doing what the people want.

Virginia conservatives, the ball is in your court. A 100% turnout of conservatives in November will make the difference.

Arizona
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Arizona

We need to stop resisting and give Northam what he wants at some point…

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Will Flatt
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Will Flatt

What he wants and what needs to happen are two different things.

Arizona
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Arizona

Calling it a massive success is just propaganda and blowing smoke. You could quantify it as a “PR success”, but that is all.

People demonstrated that they WILL COMPLY. They will do whatever they are told, even when their civil rights are violated against the plain language of the law. They will disarm, and enter a kill box.

Not one person other than the speakers should have entered the capital grounds. They should have surrounded it.

Will Flatt
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Will Flatt

Hard agree, but sheeple will cuck as they usually do.

Buster
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Buster

Nothing successful about it, if you asked me. Northam et al were not intimidated, only made more emboldened. Law enforcement dodged a bullet and they know it. “Not one more inch” you say??? yeah right, prove it. Put up or shut up. Millions of lives were saved by bombing Hiroshima, Tokyo, Nagasaki, and other places such as Dresden. If you want to know how to destroy an enemy and forestall [for years] the re-emergence of that enemy, READ YOUR F’N HISTORY BOOK! There is only one language Northam and his ilk understand. Wandering around a courthouse lawn showing off your… Read more »

Knute
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Knute

No problem. Just you and Arizona go first. The rest of us will be right behind you….

JPM
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JPM

Not so sure I’d want you behind me with a gun Knute.

Knute
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Knute

I’d say the same about you. But then, I’ve hunted the whole west with lots who I’d never let behind me because they are careless and clueless. But over time I’ve developed relationships with many who DO know and follow the four rules. I’m not so sure I’d want you even in my group. You seem like the kind that want to talk everyone else into doing YOUR duty for you. I don’t tolerate that kind of attitude. But, just in case you ARE a rational person instead of a typical sock puppet, I’d like to ask you a question:… Read more »

Knute
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Knute

JPM. Andddd…. no answer to an honest question. Big surprise.
So its a sock puppet or a paid troll you are. That’s nice to know. Thanks for the confirmation.

Buster
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Buster

@Knute Millions of brave Americans have fought and died for the freedoms you enjoy.

Many people don’t have the stomach for war. But that’s okay, as there is always a need for people working in support roles.

Knute
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Knute

Buster, my point seems to have cleared the top of your head by at least a meter. I was speaking about the desire that those like Arizona typically have, where they always talk all big and nasty, but when push comes to shove they always seem to have a doctors appointment, or a tub to clean, or some other ridiculous excuse to cover up the fact that they are all talk and no action. In Montana we have a saying I rather like. It’s: “Money talks and bullshit walks”! In my experience, those of the biggest talk are those of… Read more »

hippybiker
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hippybiker

I find your reference to the Fire Bombing of Dresden most distasteful, to say the least! The British, Communists and the Zionists decided to make an horrible example of a non military target by dropping Incendiary devices on innocent men, women and children! But after all, that is what powerful governments do! Just look at the history of this country! Boot Licker!

Buster
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Buster

@hippybiker You don’t understand war. War is totally destroying the enemy and their will to fight, by whatever means necessary.

There are no “innocents” in war – only friend or foe. A small child may look innocent, but if it (the child) gives an enemy soldier cause to take up arms against me, then the child is also my enemy.

In WWII, we focused on winning the war (the last war we won, btw). Now-a-days, our military focuses on military targets only. That puts our soldiers at unnecessary risk, and extends conflict duration to decades.

Finnky
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Finnky

@Buster – You are right from point of view of a grunt. However ultimate goal of war is to win the peace following. If you take a “take no prisoners” approach, you will likely have to exterminate everyone even remotely associated with your opposition in order to end the war. This tends to escalate until the entire world opposes you – often including your own subjects and soldiers. Use of nuclear bombs in japan was not done lightly – but part of the point was to do so much destruction in such a short time that our enemy could see… Read more »

JPM
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JPM

You got it right Buster. Talk, and protests are pretty much a waste of time as they result in NO CHANGE, but they sure make people feel good and allow them to think they’ve accomplished something. The 3 boxes that have always been the way to effect change are the Soapbox, the ballot box and the cartridge box. At this point in the history of the USA, the soapbox is nothing but a waste of time and money to make the sheep feel like they’ve actually done something, which they haven’t. The ballot box is so corrupted that scum like… Read more »

BowserB
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BowserB

JPM, it’s difficult to blame the process when only 40% of the people bother to vote–and probably the overwhelming majority of those were Democrats, welfare takers, and the perpetual whiners about their college debt. I’m sorry, if you don’t vote, you don’t get to complain. As to the “cartridge box”, I don’t rule that out completely, but it would take A LOT OF VERY SMALL GROUPS to work. If you haven’t see it already, check out “Waco: The Rules of Engagement.” If you have Amazon Prime, it is available there free. In particular pay attention to the congressional hearings. You’ll… Read more »

CourageousLion
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CourageousLion

“well if you don’t vote you have no right to complain”. Where’s the logic in that? If you vote, and you elect dishonest, incompetent people, and they get into office and screw everything up, well you are responsible for what they have done, YOU caused the problem, you voted them in, you have no right to complain. I on the other hand, who did not vote, WHO DID NOT VOTE. Who in fact did not even leave the house on election-day, am in no way responsible for what these people have done, and have every RIGHT to complain as loud… Read more »

Knute
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Knute

JPM
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JPM

George nailed it.

CourageousLion
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CourageousLion

Yep…I refuse to consent to be governed by tyrants at all. NO ONE that is at the level of governor or higher is there by the choice of the people. They are pre selected and put there to give you the ILLUSION of choice. It’s a stinking con game.

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Knute
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Knute

And it’s even worse than that. All the way down to the local town sub-dweebs here in the official middle-of-nowhere. This is where the middle of nowhere is, according to the best data possible Even here, in NE Montana, 2800 people, half a person per square kilometer, the corruption is so bad that the locals passed a ‘law’ (the single quotes are acknowledging the error in calling a statute a law…) that the citizens needed to now license their cats as well as their dogs, and hensforth loose cats would be kidnapped and held for ransom, just as dogs already… Read more »

Knute
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Knute

Not here. Here they still prefer to hold pets for ransom. But we here are always about ten years behind. As a young man, that is how I came to realize the stupidity of “trending”. Whatever the trend of the time was, it was over by the time it got here. I noticed the stupidity of that, even as a teen. It really hit home when they got a Montana discotheque opened a year before they closed it down. Somehow, even my 18 year-old brain noticed that that wasn’t very productive or profitable. I don’t live in the city limits,… Read more »

vbirddogs
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vbirddogs

He’s right! The left just did what they want right after the rally; pushed through anti-gun legislation! What are you gonna do when the new anti-gun agency being formed in Virginia shows up at your doir step demanding your firearms?

CourageousLion
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CourageousLion

Shoot them in the face. As many as possible.

Dixie
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Dixie

Does anyone have a pic of the guillotine they could post? I missed seeing it.

Knute
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Knute

IMO, forget the guillotine. There should just be hundreds of these hanging around ALL the State Capitols. Thousands of them. So many that Northam and the rest of bloomburger’s stooges can’t ignore the imagery:
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Dave in Fairfax
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Dave in Fairfax

Knute, Nice noose, even without the block. Ever notice how many people never learned to tie one?

jack mac
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jack mac

Dave: It is a nicely tied knot, but for the people discussed are not worthy of. Just a simple loop will do. I like the guillotine, also. I would not like to gum up my chain saw with such filth.

Dave in Fairfax
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Dave in Fairfax

JM Agreed about the saw. I’d never use a CS, too messy. On the knot, though, anything worth doing…

Knute
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Knute

Yup. For the very worst human miscreants, just a simple slip knot would make them slowly strangle to death, rather than a nice, clean, snapped neck.
A kicking body with a broken neck might be a ghastly sight, but I don’t have a strong enough word for watching one strangle for three minutes or so.
“Supermegaghast”? 🙂 Well, I never claimed to be a wordsmith. That would be the Robert Heinliens and such.

Dave in Fairfax
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Dave in Fairfax

OV, I was trying to decide if it was a slip or stopped knot as well. I leave a bit more length on my short loop to help tighten it up. Makes ya wonder.

Knute
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Knute

I noticed back in the fifth grade. I sat by the window, and the school had blinds with cords hanging down. While the boring teachers droned on, I would tie the cords into nooses. The next days they have all been undone and I would tie them again. Never got in trouble for it though. And technically speaking they weren’t proper nooses at all, because I didn’t know then that a proper noose has to have 13 wraps. Mine then were just random heights. Still one of my favorite knots. All my bags have zipper pulls with nooses on them.… Read more »

Knute
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Knute

I thought they were so cool looking. The cords were too long anyway. I considered it a vast improvement, but I guess the school disagreed. So I’d just tie them again.
I was an adult before I learned they were supposed to be 13 turns high. That really angered me when I found out they weren’t proper nooses at all. A proper teacher would’ve corrected that!

Knute
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Knute

I thought that too, but then it could be counted from the back side and from that perspective it might be 13.

Knute
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Knute

Nope, I just zoomed in on it, and it is, at the most, 12 1/2 turns.

PMinFl
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PMinFl

If Epstein didn’t commit suicide, what’s to prevent Va democrats from doing the same?

Ansel Hazen
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Ansel Hazen

Would seem to me that if Kathy Griffin could get away with posting a pic holding Trumps cut off head there would be nothing wrong with someone photoshopping Northams head into that noose.

Then print it by the thousands and post on every lamppost.

Knute
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Knute

Hanging is sooo much better. “Tunstall said he saw a man hanged once. He called it ghastly. That’s what it is. Ghastly…” -The Duke as John Chisum

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moe mensale

Dave in Fairfax
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Dave in Fairfax

Moe, Please explain to me how a Libertarian can be anti personal liberty. It’s a serious question, I’m not baiting you. I followed your links and saw the comments. They didn’t impress me with anything other than their ignorance and emotionalism. The people weren’t terrorizing anyone, they were trying to remind the government, including those that left the state rather than talk to those they “represent”, that the 2A has a specific reason. The people commenting about the lack of training or the backgrounds of the marchers have no idea what those are. They made assumptions based on their belief… Read more »

CourageousLion
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CourageousLion

God I hate Twitter more then Fakebook. Talk about attracting weirdos.

Dave in Fairfax
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Dave in Fairfax

Dixie, You’ve got mail.

LibertyToad
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LibertyToad

It doesn’t seem much like a success. They’re still going to go ahead with their unconstitutional laws, which makes it a failure. We’re at the point where a rally just isn’t enough……

Autsin Miller III
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Autsin Miller III

@LT I suppose it depends on how one defines success. In my view it was certainly a PR success. There are some present on this site for whom success means violence of action and others define it as positive movement in a very long game and a whole bunch in between. In my opinion, anytime the nation sees the gun culture presented in a positive light (as in did not degenerate into the violence the Left hoped for,) I consider that a success. The REAL test of course will be the next time the voters of Virginia are able to… Read more »

Ansel Hazen
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Ansel Hazen

Given the size of the crowd I would expect if pushed that could be the next day if neccessary.

Ansel Hazen
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Ansel Hazen

Maybe lets not wait for Christmas this time.

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Buster
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Buster

@Autsin Miller Our “Inalienable Rights” are supreme law, regardless of the party holding the office. Illegal is illegal, un-Constitutional is un-Constitutional.

It’s time we stop making excuses for our meek and mild defense of our liberties.

Knute
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Knute

Actually, there is a little known error here. “Illegal”, or “legal” has to do with the system of “Codes”, “Annotated” that date only from the depression era, and today virtually no one is aware that it is a separate system from the “Law”.
The term “Legal” always has to do with the codes. Either the “Uniform Commercial Code”, known as the UCC, or else ‘your states name here…’ “Codes Annotated”. And, as with all codes, without this key it can make no sense. WITH this knowledge, however, things change…

Buster
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Buster

@Knute You are correct, of course. There’s common law and there’s statutory law.

Common law says I can drive through a school zone as fast as I want and there’s no foul unless I hit a child – in other words no harm, no foul. Statutory law is what we currently live by, and statutory law is all that law enforcement knows – or cares about.

CourageousLion
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CourageousLion

They are POLICY enforcers. Common law will be what comes back into practice after the uprising.
It is basically anarchy, no rulers. It doesn’t mean no rules. Everyone understands DO NO HARM. No harm, no crime. PERIOD. Own what you want, do what you want, eat what you want, drink what you want, smoke what you want. NO HARM NO CRIME.

CourageousLion
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CourageousLion

Common law would demand that if you hit a child and killed the child that you would forfeit your life. Statutory law says you have to have INSURANCE so that if you hit the child your insurance company will be held liable for your actions. Of course you can still be charged with a crime due to the end result, but chances are pretty good you won’t have to forfeit your life.

Knute
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Knute

Agreed. But yet, the very definition of the word “statute” is not to be found, even in Black’s Law. All my copy says is that it it is the branch of law that is not criminal law, and yet also not civil law.
So what does that leave?? What third jurisdiction IS mentioned in the Constitution of the United States?
I’m sure you’ve noticed that the words “common law”, and “statutory law” do not appear anywhere in it, haven’t you?

Knute
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Knute

Hey, Buster? Did you manage to find the words “common law” or “statutory law”, in the Constitution yet???? 🙂
Or is just not possible for you to acknowledge making an error? Ever? Or only this time?

RoyD
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RoyD

All journeys, whether one mile or a thousand, begin with a single step.

RoyD
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RoyD

As you know, it is not original thought, just a friendly reminder.

BowserB
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BowserB

All those people being at the polls last November could have been a success. This was just more political theater.

CourageousLion
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CourageousLion

Maybe they no longer are giving their consent to be governed by insane individuals. BOTH sides are full of psychopathic control freaks. Let’s quit delaying the inevitable.