LAPD Has No Excuse for Not Arresting DA’s Husband for Brandishing ~ VIDEO

LAPD Has No Excuse for Not Arresting DA’s Husband for Brandishing
LAPD Has No Excuse for Not Arresting DA’s Husband for Brandishing

U.S.A. – -(Ammoland.com)- “Los Angeles DA's husband pulled gun on Black Lives Matters protesters.” NBC News reported Monday. “Jackie Lacey, L.A. County's first black district attorney, has been the target of regular protests over the office's handling of high-profile cases.”

What happened? Were the protestors violent? Did they make threats or display weapons?

“I’m [in] front of DA Jackie Lacey’s house for that community meeting she promised with the @BLMLA [Black Lives Matter-LA] crew,” protestor Melina Abdullah, a professor of Pan-African Studies at Cal State Los Angeles tweeted, along with a video of the encounter. “Rang her bell to invite her. Her husband pulled a gun, cocked it, pointed it at my chest and said ‘I’ll shoot you. I don’t care who you are.’”

True, Abdullah and “protest organizer Justin Marks” along with a crowd of followers were there early enough for many to consider inappropriate, but consider counter-allegations that Lacey had ducked meetings before. In any case, she was quick to make excuses.

“Lacey told reporters … that she and her husband were the only people inside their house — and they were justifiably afraid when a large group arrived before the sun was up,” NBC relates.

“This morning my husband and I were at home asleep when we began to hear noise outside of our home. We immediately jumped out of bed and I called the police. I wasn’t sure what was going on and I let them know I thought there were protesters outside of my house,” Lacey said.

Then you sit tight. If they’re not trying to breach the door, it’s stupid to open it. Unless you’re Joe Biden, in which case you just shoot through it.

There was certainly no legal justification to open the door and aim a gun point-blank at unarmed people who have announced their reasons for being there in measured tones and not made any verbal or physical threats. And the husband having his finger on the trigger—including when he lowered the weapon – shows either a callous disregard or else total ignorance of the cardinal rules of gun safety as developed by “Gunner’s Guru” Col. Jeff Cooper.

It’s also a crime, at a minimum a violation of California Penal Code:

“Every person who, except in self-defense, in the presence of any other person, draws or exhibits any deadly weapon whatsoever, other than a firearm, in a rude, angry, or threatening manner, or who in any manner, unlawfully uses a deadly weapon other than a firearm in any fight or quarrel is guilty of a misdemeanor, punishable by imprisonment in a county jail for not less than 30 days.”

“[Lacey’s] office said the LAPD will investigate the incident and share findings with an independent prosecutors, most likely the California Attorney General’s Office,” the NBC report notes. It nonetheless has the appearance of “Big Club and you ain’t in it” favoritism.

Consider if you pulled a gun on people outside your door who weren’t trying to break in or otherwise threaten you. You would already have been arrested and arraigned. And you know what? You’d deserve to be. You don’t pull a gun on someone unless you’re ready to use it, and if you do, you’d better make damn sure the threat is real.

But now consider if they were black and you were white, and you’d be lucky to escape hate crime and domestic terrorism charges. If you and your spouse were politically prominent Republicans, your careers would be over after being forced to resign in disgrace.

Instead, we have the same people who would demand that defending Lacey and her husband on the Black Lives Matter LA Twitter feed, citing the hour of the protest and all kinds of excuses besides legal ones to justify what they term “gun violence” committed by one of their own.

Tangentially related, how many times have we heard idiot gun-grabbers claim gun owners have “white privilege” because if black protestors showed up armed, the police would use lethal force to stop them? Aside from the cognitive dissonance of nevertheless wanting the cops to be the “Only Ones” with guns, that just does not bear out in reality, as more than amply demonstrated by the racial camaraderie exhibited at the Virginia Capitol rally.

As much as the antis and their media co-conspirators want to spread the smear that we are white supremacists and Nazis, it’s not we Right to Keep and Bear Arms advocates who want to disarm peaceable people of all races, it’s them. Mike Bloomberg is the one who wants a different set of rules for minorities.

If they’re really all in for “common-sense gun safety,” you’ll see them howling just as loudly over arresting David Lacey as they would if he were a white Republican NRA member.


About David Codrea:David Codrea

David Codrea is the winner of multiple journalist awards for investigating/defending the RKBA and a long-time gun owner rights advocate who defiantly challenges the folly of citizen disarmament. He blogs at “The War on Guns: Notes from the Resistance,” is a regularly featured contributor to Firearms News, and posts on Twitter: @dcodrea and Facebook.

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“Protesters knocked on the front door of L.A. County District Attorney Jackie Lacey at 5:40 a.m. PT when her husband, David Lacey, opened up and pointed a weapon, according to Melina Abdullah, a professor of Pan-African studies at Cal State Los Angeles, and protest organizer Justin Marks.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/los-angeles-district-attorney-s-husband-allegedly-pulled-gun-black-n1146976

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Get Out

IMOA, he feared for his life and that of his family. Arm yourself, call for police and stay inside.

RoyD
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RoyD

Perhaps he thought the group outside his door were like these.

Shocking Video: Group Stomps 15-Year-Old Girl On Brooklyn Sidewalk

Russn8r
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Russn8r

Or perhaps you’re reaching around for lame strawmen where no relevant straws exist. What’s the reasoning?

“I’m afraid if I go outside I’ll get stomped like a 15-year-old girl, so I’ll go outside instead of waiting inside with my gun a few minutes for the cops to get there and if there’s an attempted break-in loudly warning I’ll pop them if they don’t stop.”

There’s no perhaps about it.

Nevets
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Nevets

I’m sorry but you have the right to defend yourself, innocent lives, and your PROPERTY. These people were trespassing, asked to leave, and they did not. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Granted, this guy needs major work on his trigger finger, but NO ONE should be charged with a crime for pulling a weapon on trespassers, period. Respect private property. Live free or die. Get out of backwards Cali.

Russn8r
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Russn8r

I’m totally sold! ANYTHING goes even if NO innocent lives or PROPERTY are threatened & police are on the way. NO self restraint called for! Why wait 3 minutes when you’re a BIG KAHUNA, the LOS ANGELES DA’s husband, with the CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to LIVE FREE OR DIE, brandish, point at a woman’s chest & throw your PRIVILEGED weight around! He should’ve popped her! Ringing your doorbell should be a death penalty offense!

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Heed the Call-up

Nevets, shewas not trespassing. She rang the doorbell, and asked to meet the DA that was supposed to have met with her the day before. He opened the door pointing a handgun at an unarmed woman. The linked story explained that the home had security cameras, so they knew she was no threat. He was the threat. If he did that to police at his door, he’d be dead.

Circle8
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Circle8

LAPD has many reasons not to prosecute the DA’s idiot husband. # 1, It is LA, # 2, they are both Black in a VERY LIBERAL TOILET of a city, # 3, It is Khalifornia where democrats do not get prosecuted, # 4, The LA County DA’s office has a history of selective prosecution and democrats do not get selected, # 5, what did they expect from that family?????? and as a bonus if you think the DA’s office is a mess now wait until and IF the reject from LAPD, Mesa PD and SFO DA is elected. Lets face… Read more »

Core
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Core

This is why the laws need to change in California. Even the Lefty bureaucrats need these constitutional protections. Imagine the rest of us trying to protect our families? Very poor decision to aim a gun at someone who does not pose a threat. Keeping it at the low ready would have been appropriate in his home. The irony of this is epic.

RayJN
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I may be wrong but I believe that showing a gun in a holster is considered brandishing in the People’s Republic of California. And CA Is close to considering self defense and vigilantism. Of course none of this applies to elite liberals. They continue to prove that there are 2 legal systems.

RoyD
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RoyD

For those who may want to know how this incident has affected the LA DA election I give you this:

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-03-03/2020-los-angeles-county-election-results-district-attorney

StWayne
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StWayne

Thanks RoyD, that made for some interesting reading. At the very least, it should be highlighted as a pinnacle regarding the left’s hypocrisy. “Do as I say, not as I do!”

Get Out
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Get Out

Hmm, suddenly awakened to an early morning crowd of noisy protestors on your lawn and then knocking on your door where they have no business to be in the first place! What were they beating on making noise as heard on the video, drum, sticks, house etc.? BLM protesters can turn violent as evidence from some of their past protests have shown. IMOA, the protestors shouldn’t be intimidating people at their residence no matter who they are.
Call the police to have them removed, but have your firearm ready if they breach the door or windows.

Finnky
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Finnky

@Get Out – Right. Have it ready – don’t “brandish”, point at people, threaten, etc. Don’t wave a gun around with your finger on the trigger threatening to shoot people. He could quite easily have accidentally shot someone – including neighbors inside their own houses. It’s the DA’s house – if anyone can expect fast police response times, it’s them. Unless of course they’ve royally pissed off all the police, and even then no cop is going to take too much extra time getting there. Might not run so many lights, but no donut stop on the way.

StWayne
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StWayne

Let me first say that you never, ever!, point a gun at someone you don’t intend to shoot because your life or anothers is in danger. All pointing a gun as a threat does is embolden the victim, and you see it here. You may hold the butt of the gun in your hand, but you have just turned yourself into the butt of a legal joke. And oh, how rich it is that a black man who is married to an anti-gunner pulls one on a Black Lives Matter protester! The Universe just came full circle.

StWayne
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StWayne

USA —

It’s exactly like Jussie Smollett: while he may have walked, and he thought he got away with one, what goes around is now coming back around not only for him, but DA Kim Foxx who gave him his free get out of jail card. And while it takes our Galaxy about 235 million years (one solar year) to make one rotation around itself, it eventually gets there. When all else fails, a little faith can go along way.

StWayne
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StWayne

Maybe this is where all of Hollywood takes a fall?

Russn8r
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Russn8r

Black Privilege + Cop Privilege + Democrat Privilege = Privilege to the 3rd Power.

jeff
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jeff

One law for me, the upper class and another law for thee a lowly peon. This man should be arrested and charged with the appropriate crime That is what we do in America?

Jack_A_Lope
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Jack_A_Lope

OK. They trespassed. Do they deserve to be recklessly drawn on or shot?

Finnky
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Finnky

@USA – Is it trespassing to walk up to the front door and ring the doorbell? Would be one thing if they breached a locked gate to get there, but how else do you get the attention of your neighbor to return their stray dog if you don’t have their phone number? Yes time of day does change things, but does not completely change things. Once he told them to leave it becomes trespassing, but he was waving the gun and threatening to shoot before telling them to leave. Let’s be real – they cannot teleport of the porch, it… Read more »

RoyD
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RoyD

Forty years ago I unwittingly landed in the middle of a pile of “shit” and had a Remington 870 with a chamber loaded with a buckshot round pointed directly at my face from 12 inches away. The shotgun in question had just been used to shoot and kill a puppy that was maybe 20 pounds and still had its baby teeth. The “Officer” claimed the dog was attacking him and as I had a ringside seat to the happenings I can categorically say that his statement was a lie of the first order. During this incident the “Officer” also kicked… Read more »

Deusvult
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Deusvult

Maybe, maybe not..I know plenty that live out in the country that would point a loaded weapon at you in a heartbeat if you were caught on their land without permission…

StWayne
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StWayne

Yeah, same. It’s illegal to be sure, as you’re only allowed to escalate according to the threat, but still they do it.

Russn8r
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Russn8r

Poor analogy. This was the front porch of a non-gated residential home, not trespassing. The protesting may have been disturbing the peace, and the cops could easily have run them off or even arrested them for that, but his reaction was asinine, the type of idiocy that harms gun rights.

Larry
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Larry

it must be about 1,904 on my list of worries that the ignorant actions of the husband of a gun-grabbing DA are going to harm gun rights in California.

Russn8r
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Russn8r

That kind of reckless stupidity harms gun rights everywhere, not just California.

Tionico
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Tionico

was anyone harmed? Did it appear at any time that womeone WOULD have been harmed had things continued? WHich side? Disparity of force appears, rowdy and making a scene, at oh dark thirty on YOUR lawn, people with a history of violent actions, and were wilfully provoking, intimidating, etc…. do ya think just possibly the folks INSID the house may have been in justifiable fear for their own lives and safety? I rather think so. You wanna talk about potential threat, what COULD have happened, etc, let’s do. That mob EASILY could have taken a turn toward extreme violence, as… Read more »

Vanns40
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Except, you DON’T open the door…..

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Heed the Call-up

Read the linked story. She rang the doorbell. They immediately called the police. If they were concerned about their safety, opening the door was stupid. They had security cameras, so they knew the threat level – nil, which is why he – in a manly fashion (sarc) – chose to threaten the safety of an unarmed woman.

Dubi Loo
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Dubi Loo

So the BLM crew used the Maxine Waters strategy and this democrat didn’t like the same treatment conservatives have received, nationwide, for years? The “tolerant” left continues it’s violence and mob rule. The press conference made me nauseous. The husband should be arrested and tried for ADW, full stop. He was a few pounds of trigger pull away from killing someone who was not committing a violent deadly crime against him. Sorry don’t cut it! In my mind the point of David’s article was to CONSIDER if you would take the same actions in similar circumstances, and how you would… Read more »

JPM
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JPM

Black on black. No harm, no foul. Remember in 2020 America the ONLY people capable of committing a “Hate Crime” are white heterosexual males. It’s okay apparently for blacks to shoot blacks as those statistics don’t count when BLM sites black violent deaths.

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Finnky
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@JPM – Have been lectured on racism by people who insist it is impossible for blacks to be racist. Cannot fix stupid – but in these cases walking away was not a good option…

Deplorable Bill
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Deplorable Bill

With no other intel on the situation, the proper thing to do was to call the cops, barricade the door and hope no fool tries to get into your house. Inside your house, you have all the advantages. You know the lay out of your house, they don’t. Had most any non publican official done what the husband did, he could be looking forward to a chain link sun tan, at least in communist californiacation anyway. Evidently the public official had agreed to a meeting, b l m was on site early. They were there early because the public official… Read more »

uncle dudley
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Boo Hoo don’t you remember when your sister Maxine Waters said when you see a Trump official or supporter to get in their face and call them out, well it was started by your party the dems who pull this type of crap.
You should charge your husband for pulling the gun since he didn’t wait for the cops to get there and handle your upset supporters.

Jim
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Jim

He could have a problem if it is determined that he was “in public ‘air’ space.” And on the other side, folks inside the “justice system” do not have to obey like the rest of us nor are they prosecuted like the rest of us. His skin color–who gives a rat’s ass in this particular case–no racism involved, just a guy trying to prevent potential physical attacks (what is he to think?) and protect his property from a bunch of assholes who were both threatening and trespassing.

Russn8r
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Russn8r

BS. Had he been one of the “little people”, not part of the L.A. power elite, and especially had he been white, he would’ve been arrested. Racist double standard. Los Angeles has been openly racist for years. In many jobs, whites are openly discriminated against. E.g. high-paying waste disposal and other government contract jobs. Many purely private jobs are only available to immigrants who speak spanish. etc.

Russn8r
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Russn8r

“Russian”. Weak poopy-mouth strawman deflection, something I would expect from a thuggish, weak-minded yahoo like you.

Plus you’re clearly lying. “Exactly the same situation in the same state.” I see. You were married to a prosecutor, obnoxious protesters rang your doorbell and you just couldn’t wait for the cops to arrive. You had to show what a big MAN you are.

Braggadocio, massive exaggeration, ignorance, foul mouth & stupidity. Dangerous cocktail.

Larry
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Larry

More to the point, had he been one of the “little people”, not part of the L.A. power elite, he wouldn’t have had the gun to begin with (at least legally).

Russn8r
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Russn8r

Or arrested for having one. But that would violate the rule:

Black Privilege + COP Privilege + D Privilege = Privilege to the 3rd Power.

All he had to do was “apologize”. Not to avoid prosecution, but for his wife’s kabuki press conference.

Wild Bill
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@Russ, Something plus something plus something does not equal anything to the third power. Three plus three plus three is nine.
Some number TIMES the same number TIMES the same number is that number to the third power. Three times three times three is twenty-seven or three to the third power or three cubed.
So your knowledge math is a failure. Your knowledge of Constitutional Rights is a failure. Your logic is a failure.
Perhaps you could load kitchen appliance trucks successfully.

Russn8r
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Russn8r

Wrong, genius. It’s called synergy. Never heard of C^3I? All those words and you still failed. You make me laugh at you though. So you got *that* going for you, which is nice!

Wild Bill
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You can call it anything you like, except “to the third power”. This from Wikipedia: “In algebra, the cube of a number (n) is its third power: the result of the number multiplied by itself twice: n3 = n × n × n.”

Russn8r
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Russn8r

Really, genius? So C^4I^2 doesn’t = Command + Control + Communications + Computers + Intelligence + Interoperability? I’m crushed! I always thought it was literal! …Thanks for the laugh, though! It’ll apparently shock your 5th-grade brain that I actually *wasn’t* being literal. I’m sorry I didn’t spell it out for you. My bad! Since you *are* being literal and obtuse, let’s explore your “gotcha lesson”. 5th-grade scholars like yourself can only *literally* say… Black Privilege + COP Privilege + D Privilege = … wait for it … Black Privilege + COP Privilege + D Privilege! Now, if a fella stuck… Read more »

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

If you had a vocabulary, then you would know that “privilege” is another word for “right”. See Black’s Law Dictionary pp1077-1078.
Privilege is not mathematically measurable.
Algebra is in the seventh grade. You must have dropped out before then.
I am well aware of C4I2. See FM 100-5

Russn8r
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Russn8r

Yeah. Now you know & now you’re repeating my points as if they’re yours, but in lame fashion. I had algebra when I was 10 years old. You’re still failing.

Dismissed, genius! I’m busy. W-O-R-K

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@Will
That’s Russn8r’s MO.

Hurl insults, provide no tangible evidence, and yell louder until the other person goes away.

Still waiting for him to get back to me with a quote of something he stated of me, and also for Dave in Fairfax. Should take about 100 years.

Russn8r
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Russn8r

You just can’t stop projecting. Like a leftist.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

You misunderstand, but that is to be expected. Not repeating anything that you wrote. You misstate, but that, too, is to be expected. I seriously doubt that you had algebra at ten years old. I seriously doubt that you had algebra at all because you misuse algebraic terms. You may go, now.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Will, apparently the trustee sees some trash on the median for Russ (number 8) to pick up.

Russn8r
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Russn8r

Hi Will. Thx for more ad hominem evasion, the domain of cowards with zero compelling to add. The style evidenced by you, Wild Bill, foul-mouth “USA” (who somehow erased his thug posts), et ilk, is analogous to the animal gang that kicked the 15-yr-old a few days ago, or dunce surfers protecting “their” spot. You think personal attacks = “winning”, but it’s the M.O. of Losers. You evade issues relevant to the article: e.g. DA hubby should’ve been arrested. 2A affirms an RKBA, not a right to reckless disregard & brandishing where no real threat exists as in this case.… Read more »

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Will, I don’t think that he does. He twists up many phrases and concepts (e.g. “ad hominem evasion” and “Privilege to the 3rd Power.”).

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Will, an excellent idea!

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Will, Yes, BATFE was created by a memo by the then Sec. Treas. rather than an act of the Congress. Thus BATFE could disappear by a revoking memo, no Congressional approval required. Please see infra: “B.A.T.F. from I.R.S. On June 6, 1972 Acting Secretary of the Treasury, Charles E. Walker signed Treasury Order Number 120-01 which establishes the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms. He did this with the stroke of his PEN citing, “by virtue of the authority vested in me as Secretary of the Treasury, including the authority in Reorganization Plan No. 26 of 1950.” He ordered the,… Read more »

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Will, Sure, why not? Cornyn is up for re-election, so he better be listening. But understand that it would have to be a Trump memo, not a mere senator.

Russn8r
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Russn8r

But you Will reply to your own sock puppets, Will.

Russn8r
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Russn8r

Your problem Willie, is that you & your little sock-puppet thug club can’t physically kick me in the head like that gang of cowards kicked the girl. So I’m still conscious. And any time I’m conscious, I’m smarter than you are by about 100 IQ points & busting your Loser deflection. But you do make me laugh – at you. So you got *that* going for you, which is nice.

JDT
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JDT

I hate to side with any dems loons, but he is an American, and a gun owner. I would like to see all of the video from the time they show up at the house, they only share when the gun is already being pointed. They could of been beating on the door with the buttstock of a 12ga for all I know?

Russn8r
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Russn8r

That would’ve been reported. Nice try. Why are you making excuses for a gun grabbing Dem in a gun grabbing racist town being exempt from their own rules, in this case a righteous rule? If he’d been white he would’ve been arrested.

Russn8r
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Russn8r

The Constitution says you have the right to keep and bear arms, not use lame excuses to act like a reckless puffed up idiot with them.

Knute
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“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom – go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!
-Samuel Adams

Russn8r
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Russn8r

Say, that’s a NICE strawman!

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@Russn8r Its not a strawman, its a quote from one of the men who fought for the principles of the Declaration of Independence, which our Constitution is meant to be a Charter of. USA and Knute are both correct on what they said here. Calling it a Strawman, when you demonstrate you don’t even know what it means doesn’t help your case. A Strawman argument sets up a hypothetical event which the presenter then immediately disagrees with to discredit an opponent as if they agree with the false statement.. Knute did not do that, He simply offered a Quote from… Read more »

Russn8r
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Russn8r

Puhlease. It’s an irrelevant red herring strawman to imply the poor DA’s hubby acted in righteous self-defense. 2A recognizes no right to disproportionate reckless endangerment. This quote’s relevant: “There was no legal justification to open the door & aim a gun point-blank at unarmed people who have announced their reasons for being there in measured tones & not made threats. The finger on the trigger – including when he lowered the weapon – shows callous disregard or ignorance of the cardinal rules of gun safety developed by ‘Gunner’s Guru’ Col. Jeff Cooper.” ~David Codrea “USA” is right? “USA” et al.… Read more »

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@Russn8r No, and adding more types of fallacy definitions wont change it and make it so. Now Since USA’s comment has disappeared, I’ll repost the gist of it here so everyone can see what I was referring to. “The funny thing about the Constitution and Bill of Rights is that it protects everyone in the same way, including those on the left.” Now, what you are trying to do is justify a bad argument with a bad action. Can you provide a quote where I defended what they D/A or her husband did? No, because it is not there. So… Read more »

Russn8r
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Russn8r

Waving your hands around doesn’t help your apologia.

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@Russn8r
Neither does ignoring evidence help yours. 🙂

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@Russn8r.
By the way, love that you couldn’t provide a quote for your claim(lie) of me supporting the guy. 🙂

Russn8r
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Russn8r

Now you’re being coy, trying to have it both ways like a “liberal”. You relied on prissy lame technicalities & handwaving to defend a quote that was either a random and irrelevant to the issue or intended to imply that the DA’s hubby’s reckless brandishing is a right. Don’t deny it. Man up & admit it. Even the dumb lying thug “USA” was man enough to delete his posts & run away. No time for disingenuous BS. Hey, your band sounds better though. Just need one thing: MORE STRAWMAN!

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@Russn8r “You relied on prissy lame technicalities & handwaving to defend a quote that was either a random and irrelevant to the issue” More Ad Hominem from you. 🙂 So legal statutes and definitions are now “Lame Technicalities”? Quotes from our founding fathers are now illegitimate when discussing rights protected by our Constitution and the context by which they are to be understood? Oh do tell. 🙂 So right now you are accusing the DA’s husband of a crime. Tell me, does he not have the right to be innocent until proven guilty according to our Constitution, or a right… Read more »

Russn8r
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Russn8r

Evidence of what?

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@Russn8r. Not being Coy, just mirthful. 🙂 See, what I offered was comment on what was said, even though some comments are now missing/moved. They had to do with in one case, a quote, in another a statement on Constitutional principle. You questioned the merits of defending those individuals. I’d say its the same as defending your right to do what you are doing here under free speech, namely hurling insults at everyone you can and showing yourself off as a Jackwagon. So lets start on a basis of understanding constitutional protections in matters of law. When it comes to… Read more »

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Russ, Who would ever apologize to you?

Russn8r
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Russn8r

Wild Bill’s more ignorant than I thought. Look up apologia & apologist. You won’t understand, but maybe one of your sock puppets Will.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

An apologia (Latin for apology).

Russn8r
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Russn8r

Figures you would obfuscate. That’s your character.

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@Russn8r
And you are Projecting, as is yours.

JDL
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JDL

I agree with you, David, that he should have stayed inside, called the police, and waited from a position of cover watching the door until the police arrived. But, these folks were on is porch, chanting with some emotion, and could have been easily, and should have been, considered threatening. I agree that he was inviting disaster having his finger on the trigger, but training is not a requirement to exercise a right. Stupid, yes, but irrelevant to your topic. But I disagree that they were non-threatening. Multiple people, trespassing, refusing to leave, chanting – yes, they did propose a… Read more »

Russn8r
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Russn8r

You don’t have a right to be reckless. People in gun control paradise locales like L.A. are expected to dial 911 and wait, or at least wait until the protesters try to break in or do physical damage. Why shouldn’t he, as part of the power elite, have to live by his own rules? Why make excuses for this racist hypocrisy?

Finnky
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Finnky

@JDL – On stupid side – Isn’t range one of the biggest advantages of firearms? Why ever would one step within grabbing range from behind a physical barrier in order to present a gun? Wouldn’t a second floor balcony, out of direct reach, be a better place from which to address the crowd? Elevated position allowing better view, obstacles to physical access, floor providing light cover, few barriers if you need to fire, and downward angle means any misses will almost certainly bury themselves right there. In urban environment, misses matter even more than elsewhere.

Heed the Call-up
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Heed the Call-up

JDL, read the attached linked story. They had security cameras (knew there was no real threat), and had already called the police. If they were fearful, why open the door? Knowing there was no viable threat, he decided to do the threatening.

nrringlee
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nrringlee

OK, you peons do not understand so let me progressively explain it to you. Four legs good, two legs bad. We are all equal. Some are just more equal than others. In the case of guns, guns are only bad when they are in the hands of law abiding white combat veterans who run businesses, create jobs and pay taxes. Guns are good when they are in the hands of those who believe four legs good, two legs bad. But in this particular case the Kulaks have broken out of the pen and are daring to challenge the farm organizers.… Read more »

Russn8r
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Russn8r

Great comment. Who are the stupid racist trolls voting it down?

Doszap
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Doszap

That’s why you go to the door with an AR and say slide some ID or a warrant under the door.
Never ever allow LE into your house, you will be sorry.

Doszap
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Doszap

You guys don’t get it.
From an old movie Mel Gibson/Danny Glover/ Joe Pesci.
The Bank scene, Where its a SA White Bank, Glover tries to get a loan.

The White SA Banker says But,but,but HE’s Black!.Pesci starts screaming racism racism!!!!!.
Then all Hell breaks loose for Discrimination ( the movie was a closeted special about Apartheid)

Bottom line Cant touch Dis’ HE’s
BLACK!.

Deplorable Bill
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Deplorable Bill

The demoncraps have firearms for themselves but no one else is allowed? I would have liked for her to understand at this point and get rid of gun control. Did you notice/remember what the dems did to many, many republicans and Christians? And it’s still going on. Maybe, one day she could speak to all the other citizens in Californiacation are people to and deserve to be able to defend their lives, loved ones, friends and neighbors etc. Right now both she and her hubbie are among the biggest hypocrites in the nation. Arm up, carry on.

Finnky
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Finnky

No doubt she and her husband have CHL (or whatever it’s called in CA). State has “may not issue” rules where permit must be approved by local sheriff. Rural areas tend to be effectively “shall issue” while urban areas only issue to DAs, judges, politicians, and major contributors to the sheriffs office/campaign chest.

It is a system rotten to the core – but under CA laws both the DA and her husband are quite likely allowed to carry their guns everywhere while none of their subjects are allowed to own guns.

Tionico
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Tionico

the MOther May I Card is only required when one wishes to go about armed OFF his own property. He was INSIDE his own home. Mother May I Card not part of this situation. Los Angeles County has a population of a few million. Last I read, only about 425 such Cards have been issued to residents of that county. BUT… anyone able to own any firearm can possess one whthin his own home. They’d like to end that policy but can’t yet figure out how to carry that one off. They ARE closing in on it, though. But at… Read more »

Russn8r
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Russn8r

Having it vs sticking it out the door and threatening people on his porch who were obnoxious but not breaking in or breaking things are quite different things, especially when your wife’s a prosecutor so we know the cops should’ve/would’ve been there very fast. Aside from the idiocy of opening the door if he truly felt threatened, which he didn’t or he would not have apologized, which he did. He was throwing his elitist protected weight around, thuggishly, like “USA” is recommending.

RoyD
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RoyD

Here is the video of the DA’s news conference on the subject. Spend 12 minutes of your life and watch it, if you dare.

Doszap
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Doszap

Me if I knew where they were

Dave in Fairfax
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Dave in Fairfax

Doszap and USA, That’s ARGENTINA, not the US. Let’s dial it back and not spread fake news.

Russn8r
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Russn8r

More recklessness from “USA”. Now you have to apologize like the prosecutor’s husband.

Dave in Fairfax
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Dave in Fairfax

USA, No problem. I just see lots of spoofed stuff so I double check pictures. This one was easy. I just blew it up and looked at the company names. You’ll be glad to know that you aren’t the only one who gets “moderated”. I just had a comment pulled because I replied to Russn8r in Russian. %-)

Russn8r
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Russn8r

Boo hoo. Lame ad hominem deflection should be the exclusive domain of weak-minded commie-lib anklebiters.

Knute
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Knute

DaveinF: I knew there must be others that do their due diligence, and not just me. 🙂

Dave in Fairfax
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Dave in Fairfax

Knute, I’m sure that WB and Rev did it too, they prolly just didn’t say anything because I already had. Or possibly, we’re all still trying to figure out if Russn8r is a Turing Machine or not. The words are English, but they make no sense.

Russn8r
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Russn8r

More lame cowardly weakminded ad hominem deflection from the dude with no argument worth making.

Dave in Fairfax
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Dave in Fairfax

Russn8r, Referring to my initial comment, What was the ad hominem attack? What IS an ad hominem deflection? Since your comments have been ad hominem attacks, do you see the irony in stating that they should be the, “exclusive domain of weak-minded commie-lib -anklebiters.” This type of irrational commenting is why I am wondering if you are a Turing Machine.

Russn8r
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Russn8r

Don’t be coy, Dave. I’m not your type.

Still no actual reasoning from you relevant to the article. Just ad hominem (“Russian”, “Turing Machine” etc), projection, evasion. The reason is obvious. You have nothing relevant or cogent to offer.

Fail

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@Russn8r
Ahh. So the guy whining about ad hominem attacks makes a suggested homosexual accusation against someone who asked you to quote directly from his comments what his supposed attack was?

Hypocrisy much? Looks like you had nothing relevant or cogent to offer.

Russn8r
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Russn8r

Project much? I just don’t like ad hominem cowards. Nothing to do with homosexuality.

Dave in Fairfax
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Dave in Fairfax

Russn8r, What are you going on about? You didn’t address my comment or explain your self, instead you deflected. Which was interesting since your earlier comment was an ad hominem. You do exactly what you complain about. Calling me coy is amusing. I’ve been called a lot of things, but that’s a new one. When you’re ready to act like a civilized person you’ll be treated like one. The odd thing is that I had agreed with your assessment of the improper usage of the gun. Different states have different laws about use of deadly force on your own property,… Read more »

Russn8r
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Russn8r

Many words, little content. Still evading.

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@Russn8r
Few words, more deflection from Russn8r.

Russn8r
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Russn8r

Did TheRevelator learn a new word? Precious. Your posts could be a lot better though. You need MORE STRAWMAN!

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@Russn8r
You don’t like em, so you become one? Oh that makes sense.

By the way, you still never quoted what Dave’s attack was supposed to be in his post directly to you. The Turing Comment came after you claimed an ad hominem, but did not respond to a specific quote.

Russn8r
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Russn8r

Now you sound like you’re 12. “That’s you but what am I?”
Do another take. This time with MORE STRAWMAN!

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@Russn8r Wow. Yeah. Except that isn’t what was done. This is more of “If the shoe fits, wear it”. A few Quotes quotes from you, side by side. I’ll put the Ad Hominems you used in parenthesis. “I just don’t like ad hominem cowards.” “Boo hoo. Lame ad hominem deflection should be the exclusive domain of weak-minded commie-lib anklebiters.” (weak-minded commie-lib anklebiters.) “More lame cowardly weakminded ad hominem deflection from the dude with no argument worth making.” (lame cowardly weakminded ) “Now you sound like you’re 12. “That’s you but what am I?” Do another take. This time with MORE… Read more »

Dave in Fairfax
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Dave in Fairfax

Rev, I appreciate the effort, but it’s a waste of bandwidth. he is only interested in increasing the noise to signal ratio. His misuse of terms, and occasionally odd sentence structure, is what initially made me think that he might not have English as a first language and then wonder if, in fact, I was dealing with a poorly designed Turning machine. I’ve come to the conclusion that we merely have another troll and that it isn’t worth engaging with him.

Russn8r
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Russn8r

Are you even smart enough to be bothered by an alleged Turing Machine being smarter than you are? You & your sock puppets are still evading the issues you’re mentally unequipped to address. Losers Lose. You lose.

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@Will
Hypocrisy always comes back to bite the user. Russn8r isn’t alone. Just look at Joe Biden getting questioned by that Contractor about gun confiscation.

“I’m not going to take your guns! I’m a Second amendment guy, I own a shotgun!….. Oh, but I am going to take your AR-14. You’re a lying horse’s ..….”

They just can’t help showcasing a double standard, and then invariably admitting to it.

Side note: AR-14 is now included in the list with 30 clips a second, once magazines are empty the rifle wont work anymore, and the Shoulder thingy that goes up.

Oldvet
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Oldvet

@Will…Have to seriously think the lawless communists Have figured out they can’t beat Trump . They have to keep sanders from getting the nomination to keep him from draining their personal swamp . Believe he would fire all the clinton / boma cronies and insert his version of communist , thus ending all of their gravy trains . On the bright we could be shut of pelosie , schumer and the like .

Wild Bill
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@Will, I saw Biden say that he did not expect to be president the full term. That he was just a bridge to the young people of the party.
So the fix is in to get a radical socialist into the vice presidency and then the presidency, when someone determines Joe is to senile to serve.
The stakes just got raised.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Will, The party will tell him and that is who he will say that he choses, but it is the party that will really do the choosing.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Will, Kamala, Tulsi, maybe Klobachar or even some unknown or God forbid hiLIARy!

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@Wild Bill
Looks like we are of similar thinking on what the actual threat will be.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Rev, I am just guessing, of course. I have no contacts inside the Demonstrators of National Corruption. Hope things are going well.

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@Will
I don’t think it will work out if Hillary tries to get in, but it might be possible.

My own belief is that the bigger threat comes from whoever Biden picks as VP. That individual needs to be fully and thoroughly investigated and outed as soon as we know who it is. The way Biden is, there is no way he will make it 4 years.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Rev, this will be the first time that people will be voting for the vice-presidential candidate. This twisting of our system creates a back door for the candidates that have already been rejected. Here is a scenario: Democrats have rejected Kamala. But Biden wins the DNC nomination and picks Kamala as a running mate (due to a really big bribe). People think that they are voting for a moderate Biden. Biden wins over Trump and three weeks later bows out for mental health reasons. And every body gets radical, corrupt Kamala as their president. Please note: this is not my… Read more »

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@Wild Bill

“This twisting of our system creates a back door for the candidates that have already been rejected”

That was what I was getting at when I said I believe we are in agreement about what is going on there.

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@Dave in Fairfax Waste or not… A guys gotta have his fun. 🙂 He does more damage to himself the longer he keeps this up. As an example, he accused USA of deleting his posts, apparently ignorant of how Ammoland’s moderation system works. However, since he could claim it as his scaring USA away, he felt it would work for him even if his claim wasn’t true. Too many of us old timers here though know that isn’t the case. Besides, If he knew the story of Alan Turing he might not take “Turing Machine” to be an insult. While… Read more »

Dave in Fairfax
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Dave in Fairfax

Rev, He might, but he’s go that gay issue also- projection? He reminds me of someone a while back, no names. Irrationality coupled with projection and bad behavior. The best parts of this forum are the commenters’ depth of knowledge and that it rarely emulates the chans.

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@Dave in Fairfax

Yeah. Personally, I believe in judging someone based on their actions and content of character. Russn8r tried to call you gay when he said that he’s “Not your type”. I don’t agree with the lifestyle, but I don’t look at someone’s accomplishments and discount them for that reason.

Anyway, his type is nothing new. Ammoland, because it is standing up for free speech, will always have trolls who come here to cause problems and then dodge discussion while trying to shout down those using facts and evidence.

Dave in Fairfax
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Dave in Fairfax

Rev, I know what he was trying, but it doesn’t get to me. I’m not, but I don’t care what somebody else’s choice are they answer for theirs, I answer for mine. After working in hospitals for a couple of years, one of the girls asked me if it worried me working around gay guys. I told her that if they weren’t hitting on me it didn’t, and besides, we weren’t eating out of the same bowl. What do I care. She asked me if having gays in the military bothered me, so I said that as long as they… Read more »

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@Dave in Fairfax
Right on. 🙂

Russn8r
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Russn8r

Nice try. Your sock-puppet surf gang started the ad hominem. Who do you think you’re kidding? As if the out of context quotes weren’t replying to anything. You open the door, then whine when the victim walks through it. How convenient “USA” deleted his foul mouth posts and ran away. Helps you twist the record.

As to your grade: Good effort. Your hypocrisy is coming along nicely, but being an obfuscating wannabe pedant is a boring deflection technique, so I give you a D-. Now take 22, with More Strawman!

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@Russn8r “Your sock-puppet surf gang started the ad hominem. Who do you think you’re kidding?” Really? And you can show that you have not insulted anyone prior to this? The beauty of what you just said is that yes, you admit you are committing Ad Hominem attacks, and you justify it by saying “But they did it first!” You also said ad hominem attacks were the domain of cowards, and only weak fools with illegitimate arguments would need to use them…. 🙂 So, you couldn’t make a legitimate argument without using them in turn? And that is why you now… Read more »

Russn8r
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Russn8r

Now you guys are looking like of a circle jerk squad than a surf punk squad. No shame

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@Russn8r
So you are avoiding taking me up on a constitutional debate? Interesting…. 🙂

Also, who knew you would be an expert on Circle Jerks…. Well, I guess we have to defer to you since you have firsthand knowledge.

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@Dave in Fairfax
Yep. Focusing my attentions elsewhere since this was handled.

Have not heard from Wild Bill in a while though. Praying for him and hoping everything is alright.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Rev, Jury duty this past week. Garden variety felony; dozen witnesses; and video tape. The other jury members and what passes for logic were fascinating.

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@Wild Bill
Thanks for getting back to me on that then. Just glad you are alright.

Considering other Jury Members, yes I know what you mean. I haven’t been invited back for Grand Jury duty since I voiced concerns about a delicate flower who came in as a substitute and was determined that it was her job to make sure all the oppressed souls were defended by her…..

Oldvet
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Oldvet

@WB & The Rev…Know what you mean I was never so angry as the last time I was called. Civil case traffic accident (rural ) stupid rules such as defense not allowed to mention that plaintiff had already collected from ins. co.

Russn8r
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Russn8r

RUN AWAY!

Russn8r
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Russn8r

This was not “exercising 2A” any more than any other reckless use of a firearm is an exercise of 2A. Nice try.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Russ, You have your terms mixed up because you have your legal concepts mixed up. We all have the (big R) Constitutional Right to use firearms. Period. If, however, later what we did is determined to be reckless, then civil liability attaches. If found to be criminal, then criminal liability attaches.
Your theory of a determination of “reckless” in advance is in opposition to our system of freedom. Your theory of negating Constitutionally protected Rights does not hold water.

Dave in Fairfax
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Dave in Fairfax

WB, Thanks. That’s exactly why the SCOTUS determination that shouting firing in a theatre isn’t allowed is incorrect. You have the right to do it, you just have to pay the piper when people are hurt or killed due to your actions. It’s why in a different post I tried to point out that the laws in different states vary on the use of deadly force on your own property. It isn’t a 2A issue, it’s a liability issue.

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@Dave in Fairfax
Yep. It also must factor in Mens Rea to apply criminality to such actions.

My guess though is that Russ will offer a comment attempting to dismiss that once again, and instead go for an ad hominem against you and Wild Bill. He’s throwing out claims of all the logical Fallacies he can, and hoping something will stick.

Russn8r
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Russn8r

Must be embarrassing to have to agree with lame, disingenuous smokescreens. You guys are behaving like liberals. BTW, weren’t you Running Away? “Focusing my attentions elsewhere since this was handled.” Oops.

Guys, guys, you’re almost there. I got a fever, and the only cure is MORE STRAWMAN!

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

Wow. So you put up the phrase “Run Away”, and now try to state people are running away. My attentions being “elsewhere” meant Dave in Fairfax already out argued you on a factual level. So far you have done nothing but try to dismiss him without actually arguing on the points he made. Then again. if you want to have a real discussion on the Constitution, I’m perfectly willing. Based on what I have seen though, you will attempt to destroy the messenger rather than actually provide sources, quotation, ect… Dave in Fairfax pointed to the First Amendment, would you… Read more »

Russn8r
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Russn8r

So you have no opinion about responsible use of firearms. Any opinions or training on responsible & legal use, such as Col Jeff Cooper’s, is “in opposition to our system of freedom”. Everyone should just do whatever they feel like & see if it’s illegal or actionable!

That was a terrific take! You guys are almost there! Try it again with MORE STRAWMAN!

Greg K
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Greg K

There’s really no reason to over complicate things. Practicing Liberty comes with responsibility. It’s the Libertarian dilemma.

Here’s an example; If I were to feel free to set up a 1000yd rifle range right down the middle of 1st and Main in Anywhere, USA, then as a consequence I would be violating someone else’s Liberty in utilizing said range. It’s really a matter of understanding empathy and having developed some before the age 5. Apparently the only folk who don’t, generally become serial killers and such. Although, I see a few slip through the cracks from time to time.

Finnky
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Finnky

Seems to me they would net millions if they just shipped them for sale in TX.

I’m a snowflake – this picture almost makes me cry…

Knute
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Knute

When losing an argument, always turn to profanity and you will win instantly! sarc off… for now 🙂
“I thought I had won…”

Russn8r
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Russn8r

Then why are you desperately posting thuggish poopy-mouth nonsense here, even desperate enough to reply to your own posts multiple times?

Tionico
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Tionico

What is the end game.. great question.

Read Saul Alinsky and you will learn not only what the endgame is, but precisely how to go about realising it. This is classic Rules for Radicals stuff,

fireball4
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fireball4

She forgot to say “I’m a victim”.

RoyD
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RoyD

Will, here’s me rolling my eyes at your statement. Just stop it.

Nickname
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Nickname

With the info from the article; opening the door to confront the ‘mob’ with a pistol… not wise. The emotions, I suspect from my armchair, were not fear. But that’s up to the court of the Socialist Republik of California to decide.

Doszap
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Doszap

Not if their Dead,
That’s why you must carry USCCA, even if no billed by a GJ, you know a Civil suit is likely coming.
Protect yourselves cheap insurance.

Russn8r
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Russn8r

Chasing and shooting fleeing thieves & unarmed tenants in the head and bragging about it is the kind of thuggish, reckless stupidity that help’s destroy rights. Colorado is soon to go thanks to LoLibertarian immigration demographics. See California.

Russn8r
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Russn8r

Fail again. Not Russian. Ad hominem deflection is the province of weak-minded cowards who evade due to limited capacity for rational argument.

Sisu
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Sisu

Yes, I concur with all of that presented in the article. Nevertheless, while she called the police why did he believe it appropriate to open the door knowing it would only serve to escalate any possible confrontation ? There by becoming the “aggressor”. And, are the “general public” to understand that this DA and her husband have no confidence in the ability of LAPD to fill the role of “first responders” ? … Do they not support the theme of “BLM” or only if it’s their “black lives” ? What type of license does the husband possess and was the… Read more »

RoyD
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RoyD

May I suggest you watch her news conference on the matter?

Finnky
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Finnky

Or just read the article. David Codrea laid it all out in plain text.

Russn8r
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Russn8r

I did. It’s all Drama Queen politician BS excuses. Fact is, her family gets away with doing what the little people, especially white people, would’ve been arrested for, and prosecuted by … gee… let me think…

Only thing I want to hear from her is there is a new policy for everyone, not just the black cop-spouse insider power elite: No one will ever be prosecuted for brandishing a gun against obnoxious rude protesters on their porch in Los Angeles unless there is physical threat, attempted break-in, physical destruction etc.

Sisu
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Sisu

I watch the video; thank you for sharing the link. I see nothing to contradict my comments. … By her own words: i) She is the “victim”; ii) She is an “altruist”, though she sounds like a “politician”; iii) She redirects artfully and does not address her husband’s criminal act – “he “showed” … his gun”, “didn’t intend to hurt anyone” …; iv) only other Dems (e.g., party chairs) are being victimized; v) “it’s all about her”, not an overreaction (to an annoying but non violent confrontation), blatant criminal behavior which projects on all gun owners who it is implied… Read more »

Doszap
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Doszap

Who cares?, you come to my my house on Any of my property raising Hell,I would do the same.

RoyD
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RoyD

I would like to say that Mr. Codrea is incorrect as far as the law is written here in Oklahoma in regards to what happened in this instance. Mr. Codrea’s article appears to be a knee jerk reaction hoping to score points. That is too bad. I watched the DA’s news conference in regards to this incident and as far as I am concerned she presented a very good case for what happened in regards to her husband’s actions. If it were me I would tell her husband not to handle it that way again and go on down the… Read more »

Finnky
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Finnky

@RoyD – This wasn’t in Oklahoma, it was in California. In that state simply owning a firearm makes you suspect. Point is the double standards being applied for both racial and “elite” reasons. If they are going to hold gun owners to an impossible standard, hold politically connected individuals to at least the same standard. In much of CA a crowd like that (and at that hour) could simply be people arriving at or departing from your neighbor’s party. May not like much about CA, but hate hypocrisy even more. How quickly do you think police respond to a call… Read more »

RoyD
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RoyD

And, Finnky, my point is that he wrote the article as if it applied to everyone in the nation and that just not so. This is what he wrote:
“Consider if you pulled a gun on people outside your door who weren’t trying to break in or otherwise threaten you. You would already have been arrested and arraigned. And you know what? You’d deserve to be. You don’t pull a gun on someone unless you’re ready to use it, and if you do, you’d better make damn sure the threat is real.”
That is not the law in Oklahoma.

Arny
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Arny

I actually thought I was reading a article from Howard at first. I’m curious to know if he really feels this way or if it was a poor choice of words ? Dave articles are usually spot on.

Russn8r
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Russn8r

No, he didn’t. Repeating the same misreps doesn’t make them true.

Russn8r
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Russn8r

You’re reaching. It doesn’t appear to be a knee-jerk reaction to anything. Very well reasoned.

Xaun Loc
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Xaun Loc

@RoyD. Oklahoma may have adopted “SB40” to legalize brandishing, but what the husband did was illegal in California, unwise, and probably still illegal in Oklahoma under other statutes such as communicating a threat, etc.