Lies About Hydroxychloroquine, Just Like Lies About Guns

Opinion by Alan Chwick & Joanne D Eisen

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USA – -(AmmoLand.com)- We gun owners quickly know truth from lies. If we miss our target, the truth is, we did something wrong. Gun owners are also good at smelling the BS as in bogus science as we have seen it time and again in “gun violence' research.

It has now become more than evident that one of our major parties has broken with the tradition of the peaceful transfer of presidential power as is slowly being revealed in the Michael Flynn case. The Democrat lust for power has destroyed the rules by which we live, with the enthusiastic help of the Main Street Media (MSM), and a few Rhino-Republicans, cheering them on.

Democrats, and the MSM, are using lies as their chosen weapon. So recognizing the lies from truths is an important matter. We make serious life decisions, daily, based upon what we think of as truthful information. But it can be challenging to determine the truths from the lies.

We have lived through several years of huge lies. The Democrats, and the MSM, are now pushing another lie designed to cause the kind of fear that will delay and further damage our economy, and get rid of a duly elected President whom they hate.

Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ)

We know that the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) has, for decades, been spreading lies about guns and gun owners that harm the Second Amendment of our Constitution. The famous and highly respected NEJM cares more about financial gains, and the leftist politics of its editors, than the truth.

And now the NEJM appears to be colluding with Democrats and the MSM to boost fear of COVID-19, by minimizing the possible beneficial effects of HCQ.

The MSM are shamelessly and hysterically, claiming that HCQ is a killer.

The problem is that, if people fear HCQ, or have no access to it, some might needlessly die. Alternatively, people will fear quickly getting back to normal because there will be no easy fix if they become ill, and so the economy will fall a little deeper into recession. Ignorant folks who easily accept lies might look upon Democrats and Socialism more favorably.

The inexpensive and decades-old HCQ has become highly politicized by the Fake-News and the Get-Trump crowd.

If HCQ helps to avoid illness and death as the real science seems to verify, the presence of COVID-19 would only be as annoying as common influenza. But there are questions about the benefits of using HCQ at the end stages of the disease after the lungs are already damaged. It appears that there might be a need for it to be administered as soon as possible.

It helps to know the origins of ‘facts.' Who said what? Have they told the truth in the past? This is what we found.

On May 7, 2020, the NEJM published a study about the use of HCQ to treat patients with COVID-19. Every word is accurate. But the researchers used people who went to emergency rooms and were then admitted to the hospital. So right from the beginning, selection bias was introduced into the research results because of the advanced stage of the disease in these patients.

The Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) published a similar study, also using hospitalized patients, and also concluding that HCQ is not effective for treating COVID-19. And The Lancet, a respected British journal also using hospitalized patients, found that HCQ was not effective and was associated with potential heart problems.

Because pharmaceutical companies and medical researchers find it convenient to use hospital settings, we can expect that this kind of study outcome will be repeated.

These studies are being used politically to drive the latest MSM narrative that tells Americans that HCQ is dangerous to take and that it doesn't work against COVID-19. Gov. Phil Murphy has virtually banned the drug in N.J. Many hospitals and physicians are no longer recommending it. And the World Health Organization, which covered up for China, is no longer researching HCQ as a treatment for COVID-19.

We can compare the NEJM and JAMA studies to research by the French doctor, Phillippe Gautret. Gautret is attempting to evaluate the effectiveness of HCQ, “at an early stage before irreversible respiratory complications take hold…” He reports positive results with HCQ use.

In order to know who is willing to ignore politics, give up some financial gain,  and tell us the whole truth, we should look at the biased way NEJM has treated research in the past.

Now we switch to how they treated firearms research, similarly.

On firearms, Dr. Miguel Faria, surgeon and author, explained that the medical literature is biased, “riddled with serious errors in facts, logic, and methodology, and thus utterly unreliable.” He relates how, in 1988, that NEJM published a paper by Dr. John Sloan, purporting to show that stronger gun control in Vancouver, Canada, was responsible for a lower homicide rate when compared to Seattle, Washington.  At the same time, the NEJM refused to publish Dr. Brandon Centerwall's study, which overturned the Sloan results.

Dr. Faria's latest book, America, Guns, and Freedom #ad, tells the story of his fight against the junk science of guns, and how the public health establishment has been bent on moving society in an authoritarian, collectivist, and disarmed direction.

Dr. Faria, whose family fled the communist regime in Cuba, was one of the original leaders in the fight against fake firearms science. His book documents the medical establishment's tactical use of “tainted research with preordained results” in their war against firearms and our freedoms.

Politicians and our MSM flagrantly use these outright lies. The late civil rights attorney, Don Kates, described medical anti-gun researchers who, “all too often feel no compunction about asserting falsehoods, fabricating statistics, and falsifying references…”

Here is a sprinkling of the firearms phobic articles published by NEJM after the 1988 Sloan/Centerwall controversy was exposed.

In 1993, NEJM published the infamous Dr. Arthur Kellermann’s article telling us that it was more dangerous than useful to keep guns in the home. Among the many statistical errors, Kellermann flagrantly tells us that he mixed up his felons with his victims. He wrote, “Fifteen victims were killed under legally excusable circumstances. Four were shot by police acting in the line of duty. The rest were killed by another member of the household or a private citizen acting in self-defense.”

How could NEJM publish such obvious drivel? They wanted to frighten us into changing the way we vote, even if it costs American lives.

In October 2017, after the mass shooting in Las Vegas, NEJM published a rant about the easy availability of semiautomatic firearms. Later that same month, they published another rant, urging their readers to “Join, volunteer for, or donate to organizations fighting for sensible firearm legislation.”

In September 2018, NEJM published Dr. Garen Wintemute's How To Stop Mass Shootings. Wintemute described the need for more comprehensive background checks and Red Flag Laws for those not stopped by the background checks.

We all know that gun control does not lead to a safer society as promised, and promised, and yet again and again. We all know that ultra, restrictive gun laws only lead to a more robust firearms black market.

Our Founding Fathers wrote a document that attempted to ensure peaceful transfers of power by responsible citizens. There would be no Kings and no Tyrants to choose our path into the future. We, American citizens, decide for ourselves, and that should extend to our medical decisions.

We choose our leaders, and we, alone, change them. Make sure you do just that this November of 2020?



About The Authors

Alan J Chwick has been involved with firearms much of his life and is the Retired Managing Coach of the Freeport NY Junior Marksmanship Club. He has escaped from New York State to South Carolina and is an SC FFL (Everything22andMore.com). [email protected] | TWITTER: @iNCNF

Joanne D Eisen, DDS (Ret.) practiced dentistry on Long Island, NY. She has collaborated and written on firearm politics for the past 30+ years. She has also escaped New York State but to Virginia. [email protected]

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Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 months ago

@OV, Yeah, if he don’t like it, he doesn’t have to take it. If my doctor tells me to take something, I’m taking it.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
3 months ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

@Wild Bill, your doctor prescribes your medication based on medical publications, such as the ones in The Lancet.

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 months ago

@Cluster, My doctor is a witch doctor from the Congo. We were having lunch the other day, and I mentioned to him that I never did like his mother-in-law. So he said, “Well, just eat the noodles, then.”
I don’t think he reads “The Lancet”.

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 months ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

@OV, Cluster Funk things that he knows on what basis my doctor prescribes a medication for me! Yet, he does not know that I do not have any prescriptions.
It is so difficult to resist adding the insult, here, that CF deserves.

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 months ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

@OV, We used to call his type a NUB, short for non useful being.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
3 months ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

@Wild Bill, interesting that you continue to refer to me with insults. It is interesting, because all of this started after my very first COVID-19 post on Ammoland.

I have been for years on Ammoland and you never had a problem with me. So, I guess your personal opinion on COVID-19 is clearly clouding your judgement to the point that you now call me a “non useful being”.

Can you go any lower? I bet you can!

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
3 months ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

@OV, @Wild Bill doesn’t know that even not getting any prescription medication is based on medical publications. In this case, not getting Hydroxychloroquine is based on a fraudulent publication.

chocopot
chocopot
3 months ago

I remember reading, several weeks ago, about a rheumatologist in Los Angeles who has been treating his lupus patents with hydroxychloroquine for more than 40 years. He said that not only did it always help his patients with their lupus symptoms, but that not one of them had ever had an adverse effect. That report goes well beyond simply being “anecdotal.”

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
3 months ago

The Lancet has just released an “expression of concern”, after many scientists pointed out several flaws in the recent large-scale Hydroxychloroquine study that resulted in Hydroxychloroquine trials being stopped in most countries: Expression of concern: Hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine with or without a macrolide for treatment of COVID-19: a multinational registry analysis https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31290-3/fulltext If you google “LancetGate”, you will find many of these concerns, including: – The study’s authors did not indicate the severity of the disease being treated. Was it early on in the COVID-19 progression or late in the process? Similarly, they did not indicate the dosages of HCQ… Read more »

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 months ago

And now, The Lancet has withdrawn it expression of concern because it found out that the data provided by Surgisphere was fraudulent. Please note: Surgisphere employs on it small staff an science fiction writer and an adult entertainer. Just heard it on Tucker Carlson five minutes ago!

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
3 months ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

@Wild Bill, The Lancet has NOT withdrawn their expression of concern! The original paper that The Lancet was expressing its concern about has been retracted yesterday, because it was fraudulent! The open letter, I posted above, was demanding this retraction! Here is the retraction: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31324-6/fulltext

The irony is that I got 2 downvotes for posting this 2 days ago and now you hear it on Tucker Carlson. LOL.

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 months ago

@CF, You also implied that the Lancet was so reliable that my medical doctor used it as the basis for prescription decisions. Now, we find out that the Lancet was duped. How often has the Lancet been duped that we do not know about? Are they reliable or just fake experts basing what they say on other fake experts?

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
3 months ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

@Wild Bill, you are finally getting the point of my posts! Yes, YOUR doctors rely on medical journals, like The Lancet, and, YES, The Lancet was duped! I pointed out both of these things days ago, when you were still busy with taking my posts not serious! This isn’t the first time this happened and it won’t be the last! That’s why it is important to take everything with caution and to rely on multiple research results from different sources, if available, or at least try to reproduce or verify research results and verify the credentials of the researchers. This… Read more »

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 months ago

@CF, I still don’t take your posts serious. You implied that the Lancet was credible. The Lancet gets duped and therefore can not be credible. Peer review is not one of at the steps in the scientific process.
Your writing is confusing. Your logic does not follow. Your claim to be a Ph. D. is unconvincing.

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 months ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

@OV, Apparently the Lancet does not study much at all, but takes some charlatan’s word for it.

MICHAEL J
MICHAEL J
3 months ago

How many times have you been prescribed a drug only to find is doesn’t work? I’ve got a medicine chest full of “try these pills”. These people could care less, you can’t return them and you can’t give them away. In this case, this might be a “Hail Mary,” besides “What do they have to lose? – they’re dying anyway. Usually you just follow the money to find that nest of rats. My question is: Someone always stands to gain, but who or what are they willing to sacrifice in order to achieve their prize? It appears just ordinary regular… Read more »

ralph
ralph
3 months ago

Plaquenil (hydroxychloroquine) has been in regular use since 1955, primarily for malaria. My wife had been on it for 15 years due to her having discoid lupus disease. I would not hesitate to take it if I were diagnosed with the Chinese virus.

Living Free in Texas
Living Free in Texas
3 months ago

I took it for years with no issues. All lies by the democrats.

Grim
Grim
3 months ago

You took it daily for years?

Whatzit
Whatzit
3 months ago

Why would you do that? Seems kind of weird, like injecting yourself with penicillin daily for years.

Catatonic
Catatonic
3 months ago
Reply to  Whatzit

Grim & Whatzit, HCQ is used to treat malaria, rheumatoid arthritis, and types of lupus. My guess would be that LFiT took it for years due to having a disease for which it was prescribed by his/her doctor.

Bluemax
Bluemax
3 months ago

Big Pharma will not make money on Hydroxychloroquine! It’s not about what works and protects the People. It’s about what makes money and power. We are just the overpopulation that needs to be eradicated. If it means to disarm, withhold medicine, allow Cities to burn. What ever it takes for total control. Know the Biblical times we are living in.

nrringlee
nrringlee
3 months ago

After all, the argument is all about power and not about science. I have taken HCQ for a bit over 50 years now both as a prophylactic and as a management tool for malaria. I am pending major back surgery next week, and guess what showed up in my mail box. Another load of HCQ to prep for surgery. Millions of people live on this life line whether it be from tropical diseases or from immune system disorders like Lupus. There is ample data out there showing the safety and effectiveness of the drug for many, many disorders and diseases.… Read more »

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 months ago
Reply to  nrringlee

@ring, We will be praying that you have a good surgical outcome… unless you really really put us out before next week! LOL

Vern
Vern
3 months ago

FEAR, of the government is the most important part of the communist manifesto. Having a blood bath of unarmed people is very effective in keeping people under control. That is why there is NEVER any form of peace in a communist society, fear of the government prevents that.
Fear, is one of the benefits of having your local politician for your doctor.

Finnky
Finnky
3 months ago
Reply to  Vern

@Vern – Many leftists are up in arms over police brutality around the protests – not so much around the riots and looting. Have been told that the difference between police handling of the VA gun-rights protests and these is due to police racism. Still working on my presentation, but have tried to be clear that while there are hosts of reasons for the differences (much thanks to VCDL) – there is no way police were going to start a fight with such a large crowd armed and trained to a level higher than most cops. If protest marches were… Read more »

Vern
Vern
3 months ago
Reply to  Finnky

The left is up in arms about everything, if a criminal gets a bloody nose while being arrested, there you go, police brutality. If the arresting officer got a bloody nose from the criminal while making the arrest, he deserved it, right? I didn’t agree with how the guy was being held down but he was putting up a fight, an officer has to use what is available to make sure he isn’t taken out by the perp. I know people in law enforcement both serving now and retired. No matter how well an officer is trained every situation they… Read more »

Jeremy B.
Jeremy B.
3 months ago

So…. Every medical research organization is giving up on hydroxychloroquin but you know better?

Can the authors cite a single study supporting their claims?

My wife has a chronic illness that requires hydroxychloroquin. Every person taking it pre-emptively/prophylactically makes it harder for her and others to be able to fill their prescriptions.

Please stop this madness.

Quatermain
Quatermain
3 months ago
Reply to  Jeremy B.

The Lancet article /study notably left out the use of the critical supplement Zinc. Rather like a cartridge with powder and a projectile but no primer. Also there have been numerous comments by medical professionals that no lupus patients (on HCQ) have contracted the virus. As to studies…. really depends on who is doing the funding. Just follow the money…

Jeremy B.
Jeremy B.
3 months ago
Reply to  Quatermain

And what medical authority has identified zinc as a critical supplement to use in conjunction with HCQ?

Also, as we do frequently remind people after junk research is done on gun control, correlation is not causation. Maybe the reason no one with Lupus has been diagnosed with Covid is because their bodies are used to handling inflammation, so they are asymptomatic or mild symptoms going undiagnosed. Maybe it’s because they are already aware of how fragile they are and have been quarantining like their lives depend on it. Maybe Lupus is the critical supplement to HCQ, not zinc.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
3 months ago
Reply to  Jeremy B.

B., read and learn:

Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin plus zinc vs hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin alone: outcomes in hospitalized COVID-19 patients
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.02.20080036v1

Catatonic
Catatonic
3 months ago

Thanks for the link, CF. I’m not sure why you got so many negative votes for providing information that we can read and assimilate ourselves. I, for one, prefer to learn as much as possible and decide for myself whether or not it has value to me. On this subject, there are a number of physicians who have attested to the value of the three drugs in question when used together and administered early on in the course of the disease. It appears that much of the research that showed no benefit considered only those cases where the meds were… Read more »

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 months ago
Reply to  Catatonic

@Cat, Because no one likes him much.

JoeUSooner
JoeUSooner
3 months ago
Reply to  Quatermain

“Studies,” like “polls,” return the results that they are PAID to return.

Vern
Vern
3 months ago
Reply to  Jeremy B.

It is interesting that people taking HCQ didn’t get the virus, and more interesting that people who had it and began taking HCQ were released three or four days, from hospitals, after they took it.
The left doesn’t want anything that works, in the hands of people who might benefit from a simple medication. The left wants to be your doctor, specially when they have a doctors in political science.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
3 months ago
Reply to  Jeremy B.

B., also, read and learn:

Lancet paper on Chloroquine is overhyped – Real World Data should not be a black box
https://melwy.com/blog/lancet-paper-on-chloroquine-is-overhyped-real-world-data-should-not-be-a-black-box

Grim
Grim
3 months ago

“zinc sulfate in combination with hydroxychloroquine may play a role”. No definite results

Quatermain
Quatermain
3 months ago
Reply to  Grim

And no one paying to fund a study…

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
3 months ago
Reply to  Jeremy B.

B., also, read and learn:

Questions raised over hydroxychloroquine study which caused WHO to halt trials for Covid-19
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/may/28/questions-raised-over-hydroxychloroquine-study-which-caused-who-to-halt-trials-for-covid-19

SEMPAI
SEMPAI
3 months ago

foxtrot
old news now my friend I’m thinking the riots are much more prominent than a silly old covid 19 scare, and by the way heard anything about mayor’s screaming for SOCIAL DISTANCING? It’s all about an agenda and this week it’s not your covid 19, sorry

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
3 months ago
Reply to  SEMPAI

, this discussion is about hydroxychloroquine. There is a different post and discussion on Ammoland about the riots. The article I posted above on May 31 is from May 28, so it is certainly not “old news”!

SEMPAI
SEMPAI
3 months ago

foxtrot
That Is true sir your absolutely right , but it’s no longer the agenda. Social distancing relates to covid social distancing also relates to thousands screaming and looting shoulder to shoulder sooo technically they are related very much so. So where is the outcry about social distancing during the RIOTS ? If anyone is REALLY worried

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 months ago

@ClusterFunk, Control the conversation to win the debate much? There are no such limits at Ammoland.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
3 months ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

@Wild Bill, are you going to destroy yet another Ammoland discussion with needless attacks, because the evidence doesn’t fit your personal agenda?

I posted 3 on-topic articles and get off-topic replies. Yeah, I am controlling the conversation by trying to keep it on topic. LOL.

SEMPAI
SEMPAI
3 months ago

Foxtrot
They are very much related sir. I’m betting in 2 weeks ( you heard it here first ) after all the millenials get tired of wanting change but not achieving change the same democrat cities under siege will have RECORD spikes in covid 19 illness and once again have to be shutdown, very much related sir. Let us agree to disagree

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 months ago

@Control Freak, Most of us enjoy a wide ranging discussion. You are an admitted control freak. I have no agenda beyond an interesting conversation. And it is not up to you what is on or off topic.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
3 months ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

Congrats! You have done it again! Just personal attacks and ZERO content!

You accuse me of being a control freak, yet you come here and try to control posters that you don’t like by trolling and attacking them personally until they leave.

The Ammoland comment section clown show continues, just because I didn’t buy into your conspiracy theories on COVID-19. LOL

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 months ago

@Control Freak, You are the one that wrote: “Yeah, I am controlling the conversation…” That is called a confession. It would be impolite not to refer to by self sought nickname.
I offered no conspiracy theories.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
3 months ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

@Wild Bill, I guess you have ZERO understanding of sarcasm! Not surprising, though!

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Yeah, I am controlling the conversation by trying to keep it on topic. LOL.”

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 months ago

@Control Freak, Sarcasm is the opposite of what one really means or implies. So that would be admitting to being a liar. So which is it liar or control freak. Rant, rant, rant.

Knute
Knute
3 months ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

WB: My money is on: “paid troll”. It is so likely that I could only get even odds, but still… a sure thing is a sure thing. 🙂

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 months ago
Reply to  Knute

, I think that his annual review with his supervisory troll will not go well! 😉

Knute
Knute
3 months ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

Nothing ever goes well for the unfortunate victims of such a severe case of rectal/cranial inversion!

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 months ago
Reply to  Knute

, So that is how he got that big bald spot!

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
3 months ago
Reply to  Knute

, you clearly have no clue and now pull the “paid troll” card as a last attempt to salvage this hilarious non-discussion. LOL.

At least, Wild Bill knows me from Ammoland posts that don’t involve COVID-19.

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 months ago

@CF, Why don’t you go back to the half way house and enjoy some class VI.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
3 months ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

@Wild Bill, I guess you REALLY don’t understand sarcasm. Here is the definition for you: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sarcasm

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 months ago

@Control Freak, I guess that you really don’t understand sentence construction. You even left a English grammar required word out.

Knute
Knute
3 months ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

Only every chance he gets. Off on yet another rant about his PhD that he doesn’t even have a guess as to what discipline it might be in. Which explains nicely why he doesn’t even know how to spell univercity, let alone ever attend one!

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 months ago
Reply to  Knute

, He may be an admitted control freak, but I agree that he is no Ph. D.!

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
3 months ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

And here come the usual personal attacks. So predictable! Have fun making complete fools out of yourselves by attacking the person and not the argument. So predictable! The Ammoland clown show continues. LOL.

Knute
Knute
3 months ago

Exactly! Now you’ve got it cluster F*&k! Those are the things you are guilty of. Now all you have to do is stop the personal attacks and the regular appearance of your strawmen in covid wrappers.
Correct those two huge shortcomings and you will be fit for conversations with people who are older than three. Chronologically, NOT mentally!

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
3 months ago
Reply to  Knute

, all you are saying is that if I follow your orders on COVID-19 I am OK again in this forum? Yeah, you are the control freak! And you close out with a personal attack? I rest my case!

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 months ago
Reply to  Knute

, What is he talking about personal attacks? These are personal observations.

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 months ago

@Control Freak, You opened the door.

Knute
Knute
3 months ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

And I made the mistake of engaging with him, so now he’ll lock onto me like a little lost pup (but minus the cuteness…). Don’t feed the trolls. It’s what they live for. But all right, I made the mistake, now I’ll have to live with it. CF: Even your rants on covid are not the problem. It goes much deeper than that. The problem is the ever present “I’m so much above you plebs” attitude that you put on display constantly. “read and learn”, My scholarly works, etc. You talk down to people, and they resent it. And it… Read more »

Finnky
Finnky
3 months ago

@CF & @WB – Isn’t @Sempai’s point that media is controlling the discussion? Media has virtually dropped COVID from their discussion because rioting and looting are so much sexier. However there have been but tens of deaths (<100) in the riots and more than 100,000 COVID deaths. If you've ever seen medical bills you may agree that it is likely that even with burning buildings, direct economic impact of riots and looting are a drop in the bucket next to costs of medical treatments for COVID patients. Of course biggest cost so far has been the economic hit of locking… Read more »

Knute
Knute
3 months ago
Reply to  Finnky

Finnky: I think that while the media forever attempting to control the narrative IS a very real problem, in this thread, I believe that WB’s point was that it was charlie foxtrot appointing himself as ammoland’s language police that is the problem, at least here on this thread. And that, true to form, as soon as he is asked a question or to comment on something he previously said, charlie foxtrot is AWOL. As usual. Until the next time that that bad penny chooses to turn up. But now when he turns up next acting as if none of this… Read more »

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
3 months ago
Reply to  Knute

@Knute, wow, just wow. You simply do not know when to stop with your personal attacks. You had already won and controlled the conversation the way you wanted to. You just had to come back to make sure to rub it in my face and to keep other commenters in line. Control freak! @Finnky, as you can clearly see, @Wild Bill and @Knute just came here to attack me personally. They didn’t attack my arguments. In fact, they had no arguments. These two clowns have appointed themselves as “Ammoland’s language police” and anyone who dares questioning them will be destroyed… Read more »

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 months ago
Reply to  Knute

, what an ego the Control Freak has. Get this: “… just came here to attack me personally.” Apparently, he thinks that this is all about him and Ammoland has nothing of interest to offer.

Knute
Knute
3 months ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

As the self appointed “Ammoland Word Police”, how could charlie ever be otherwise? To accomplish such a feat, he would have to first admit, at least to himself, that he isn’t the sole arbiter of truth for the entire world.
I can see only two chances of that happening: “slim” and “none”. 🙂

Knute
Knute
3 months ago

And speaking of bad pennies, he shows up right on schedule. 🙂 I guess I don’t need to ask you, charlie, IF you have chosen to address your delusions of grandeur. By your post, it is very obvious that you have not. And charlie, just in case you are too far gone to recognize people attempting to help you with your mental health issues, this is it! This is what interventions look like. They are NOT designed to make you comfortable in your addictions. Quite the opposite. This is an attempt by a person who noticed your mental health issues… Read more »

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 months ago
Reply to  Jeremy B.

@JB, Nothing that you write, here or anywhere else, will change the discussion and decision between and individual patient and their physician. Sorry to hear about the spouse.

gregs
gregs
3 months ago
Reply to  Jeremy B.

jb, please cite “every medical research organization”. after a one second search I found this, “One of the studies that showed positive results was conducted by French Dr. Didier Raoult. His study included 1,061 patients who were treated with a combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin and demonstrated 91% effectiveness with zero side effects.” and the henry ford health system is conducting a several thousand staff member study on the efficacy of hcq. this drug has been around for decades and is used around the world. please cite your difficulty in obtaining this medicine. only madness is inside your head. looking… Read more »

AlphaMikeEcho
AlphaMikeEcho
3 months ago
Reply to  Jeremy B.

You’re spot on, Jeremy B. Keep in mind that the authors of this article are a Junior Shoot Club coach and a dentist. This is complete rubbish. Leave science to the scientists and stop politicizing medical research. I don’t consider any of these tinfoil hats as Republicans, it’s sad to watch my party eat itself from within.

AZ Lefty
AZ Lefty
3 months ago

Read and believe Sheeple it has all the “right” talking points

Finnky
Finnky
3 months ago
Reply to  AZ Lefty

@AZL – Which material are you suggesting “sheeple” read? NEJM, MSM, or this article?

Darkman
Darkman
3 months ago

Der Sturmer

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 months ago
Reply to  Darkman

@Dark, that is funny!

Deplorable Bill
Deplorable Bill
3 months ago

Propaganda. This is a tool that socialists/communists to turn people against their own government and against themselves. Hitler used it, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Clinton, obama all use(ed) it. At least two of them still use it to this day. There have been no arrests of the people who obviously perpetuated the Russian hoax, unmasking, leaking of classified info for the last three YEARS. While I served in the Army, I was stationed in Germany for two years. I have seen for myself a place called check point Charlie. I could see past the wall, into East Berlin, the people… Read more »

Finnky
Finnky
3 months ago

@DB – Unfortunately a jury is unlikely to rule in the Floyd George murder case. Judge miss issue a statement that he regrettably forced to dismiss charges due to “limited” immunity, his hands are tied by the law. Depending upon how long it takes court to reach this conclusion – riots will continue or riots will resume. Meanwhile change will only occur if responsible people flood legislators with pleas to eliminate limited immunity.