‘Only Ones’ & GOP Turncoats Derail Indiana Permitless Carry

With “Republicans” like this, who needs Democrats? (IndyStar/Facebook)

U.S.A. – -(Ammoland.com)- “A bill that will allow Indiana gun owners to carry without a permit is dead in committee but could be revived in another bill,” NBC affiliate WTHR 13 Indianapolis reports. “Members of the Senate Judiciary Committee amended and passed the bill unanimously Wednesday following an eight-hour meeting that ended with three GOP senators joining committee Democrats in approving an amendment that a Republican supporter said ‘guts the bill completely.’”

That’s not an understatement. Further down in the report we learn:

“The revision adopted by the Senate committee would keep the current permit requirement in place, while creating an automatic six-month provisional permit so that those who have submitted applications don’t have to wait perhaps weeks for granting of the final permit.”

So much for “Constitutional Carry.” Who the three turncoat Republicans are is not stated. Fortunately, The 2A Project posted a link to the hearing on Facebook and observed:

“Note the open hostility of the committee chair, Sen. Liz Brown (Ft. Wayne), toward anyone who supported Constitutional Carry at the hearing, including both members of the public and members of her own committee. The very end of the hearing is the most critical, when three “Republican” committee members, Sen. Mike Bohacek (Michigan City), Sen. Susan Glick (Angola) and (of course) Sen. Brown sided with Democrats to gut Constitutional Carry out of the bill completely.  Voters need to remember the actions of these three senators.”

With “Republicans like these, who needs Democrats? It helps to remember that former Brady Campaign president Paul Helmke had previously been the “Republican” mayor of Fort Wayne and Sarah and Jim Brady themselves were lifelong GOPers, so the “R” after the name on a ballot is no guarantee (although a “D” always is).

An earlier WTHR report tells us where the three might-as-well-be-Democrats in GOP clothing got “law and order” cover from, another ostensible “Republican,” State Police Superintendent Doug Carter, along with fellow politically-appointed enforcers from the Evansville and Fort Wayne police departments, and “leaders of the state Fraternal Order of Police.” They say permits let them identify “dangerous people who shouldn’t have guns.”

That, of course, is a flat-out lie, as carry permits have nothing to do with gun purchases, dangerous people have no problem getting guns, and little things like prior restraint state permission slips never keep them from doing whatever they want. For indisputable proof of that, just read an area headline.

“It’s often so easy to talk about your support for public safety,” Carter claims. “But if you choose to support this bill, you will not be supporting us.”

That’s the job of the representatives of the people? To support enforcers in the suppression of rights?

“I sure hope you choose to show deference to law enforcement professionals who understand the magnitude and the frontline effects of this legislation, rather than the possibility of getting reelected or unelected the next primary,” Carter continued, further spreading the hilariously disprovable lie that police are the “Only Ones” professional enough to be trusted with guns.

DEA Agent Lee Paige demonstrates:

Shall we see what the Indiana Law Enforcement Training Board considers qualification for its “professionals” to deploy with a handgun?

  • Stage 1 – 3 yard line – 10 rounds in 2 magazines of 5 rounds. Two-handed, Strong handed firing.
  • Stage 2 – 5 yard line – 10 rounds in 2 magazines of 5 rounds. One-handed only firing.
  • Stage 3 – 7 yard line – 10 rounds in 2 magazines of 5 rounds. Two-handed, Strong handed firing.
  • Stage 4 – 15 yard line – 10 rounds in 2 magazines of 5 rounds.
  • Stage 5 – 25 yard line – 10 rounds in 2 magazines of 5 rounds. Two-handed, Strong handed firing.

So, fire 50 rounds. And get an “80,” that is, a low-“B” to pass. Do it three times.  I suppose if you wanted to look deeper you could find out how many make-up attempts they get if they fail, and specified time intervals in between tests.

Is every “amateur” here feeling the awe?

On top of that, police are on average less “law-abiding” and more prone to suicide than non-“Only Ones,” who, per data from a Texas study, “ are 15 times less likely to commit a homicide than the general public.”

Back to the bill, per WTHR, it’s not quite dead yet, but it sure looks like arcane rules and maneuverings are getting ready to drive in the final nail:

“Lawmakers may insert language from the bill into a different one. The Senate’s third reading deadline is Tuesday, the House’s deadline is Monday. Bills that are not approved by those dates will die on the floor.”

And next year, self-serving “Only Ones,” whose careers are vested in enforcing prohibitive laws instead of unalienable rights, and disingenuous GOP poltroons who pay lip service to the Second Amendment and then stab constituents in the back, will find more ways to derail the right of the people to keep and bear arms if it looks like there’s a chance it might finally be recognized.

Remember: Back the blue (as much as they back you)!


About David Codrea:

David Codrea is the winner of multiple journalist awards for investigating/defending the RKBA and a long-time gun owner rights advocate who defiantly challenges the folly of citizen disarmament. He blogs at “The War on Guns: Notes from the Resistance,” is a regularly featured contributor to Firearms News, and posts on Twitter: @dcodrea and Facebook.

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JayDubya

Carter has those crazy eyes like Chipman’s.

Dr. Strangelove

In Iowa, our gun groups and owners voted out the anti-gunners and now have constitutional carry. It’s up to the people to hold politicians accountable.

CourageousLion

Police are also more prone to spousal abuse. I think the reason is that they are basically on the mental level equal to most criminals which is why they are so prone to doing criminal activities which most of their activity is. Violating ones oath of office is obviously criminal. Violating rights of others by doing things to others that you yourself can’t do. When policemen violate the law, then there is no more law. Just a fight for survival.

Ram

Bureaucrats similar to superintendent Carter, just spat out some words
to get a government position. For some, the oath died the day they went
on payroll. There will be no need of citizen’s rights in the new world order.
Carter doesn’t want to live with that sort of responsibility. . .Him being in charge and all. Seems like representative government, is a bit of a myth.

Arizona Don

Permit concealed carry is just another form of gun registration. They then have you on a list of gun owners. Here in Arizona, and I understand sixteen other states now, no permit is required. If I lived in a state that required concealed carry permits I would move to another state. Open carry has always been legal in Arizona.

Stag

Government thugs opposing 2A rights. Why am I not surprised?

Stag

It’s not just politicians. Politicians aren’t the ones who will be harassing, assaulting, extorting, kidnapping, or even murdering you in order to enforce arms laws. Politicians aren’t the ones who will be executing the no-knock raid on your home when ordered to do so. Politicians aren’t the ones who shot and burned 70 men, women, and children alive 29 years ago almost to the day on the belief that they may have unapproved weapons. Politicians are powerless without people willing to do what they say. The judges, prosecutors, and cops who enforce these unconstitutional laws are all oathbreakers who are… Read more »

Wild Bill

True, but it is easier to get rid of bad politicians. We went to the Texas primary today and did some good work.

Stag

Well, I don’t know about easier. Most of the people in office today are incumbents. A lot of people seem to have that “the devil you know” attitude and many are so afraid of the “other guy” winning that they’ll keep voting for bad politicians. But, yeah, I see what you’re saying. I’ll be heading to the polls in about an hour and I can tell you there’s only a couple of candidates that I’ll be supporting for reelection. We gotta start holding them accountable and get over this fear of the bad one losing because a worse one might… Read more »

john

The spanish guy with criminal record running for governor there is a need of accountability that comes from the people The same goes for Stacey Abrams her in GA her advantage is escaping tax fraud being a black woman and a democrat. Why is Joe and the Hoe in the White House not so easy Bill

Russn8r

Exactamundo. It’s not Justine Castreau in a jack-booted goon suit trampling old disabled women. It’s COPS.

Stag

You’re right, they SHOULD. Unfortunately, they don’t.

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Russn8r

And the LEO sock puppet posse downvotes anyone who post instances where they don’t. Watch this

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Russn8r

Tick tock

Russn8r

QED

Russn8r

How about your 12 sock puppet amigos, TEX (!) LMFAO (!)

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john

Politicians have shown the American people just what they are capable of during the pandemic.In fact it has shown the world that the elected no longer listen to the people. Maskless congress at the state of the union the democrats are afraid that they went to far worrying about the midterms. Americans have short memories you can be sure the media will not remind voters of the 2 years of discontent before that election. I suspect a new virus just before the midterms to control the voting public. Yesterday we have no mask mandates here in GA mind you again… Read more »

john

Remember there is plan of action / Agenda underway free speech the right to protest are being silenced daily. The propaganda being force fed is as bad as the state of the union address last night.

bondmen

So Fudds and Only Ones stand shoulder to shoulder with AOC, Pelosi and Schumer plus all the other “progressive” collectivists and national-international socialists? But we already knew this Justin Trudeau!

hippybiker

All of you who back the Blue. Keep this in mind. When and if they ever decide to outlaw guns, who do you think will be coming for them?! It isn’t going to be the politicians! It’s going to be the Blue!

john

No you are wrong you will be asked to turn them in in person just like Australia and England and other socialist countries. There will be photos taken names address fingerprints they will recorde the event just in case you decide to keep that rifle or shotgun you forgot at home. Then the legal problems will begin Yep Yep yep

Wild Bill

Perhaps, but there are other scenarios, as well. So let’s not be so sharp with each other because after all one guys guess about the future is as good as another.

Personally, I think that the government will use the coming food shortage as a weapon. The government will try to look like everyone’s friend by sending ration to each town to alleviate the “shortage” and then offer extra rations for those that turn in a firearm.

Many will turn them in rather than watch their family starve. But that is just a guess and I could be wrong.

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john

I have asked for a united front sir that is not so easy when viewpoints and emotions are misleading. I agree with you only the power grid is there best weapon they have a little thing called rolling brownouts which they practice at the discretion of the governors and elected mayors. Turn a brownout into a blackout well you saw during the pandemic what the small % of those in the big cities did even unders orders to quarantine. The police will have their hands full. First responders in emergency will have to wait till it’s safe to rescue those… Read more »

Wild Bill

Yes, deprivation of electricity, water, food, fuel, ammunition, communications, and leadership can all be used as weapons, other things too!

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Stag

Who do you think enforces those “legal problems”?

john

According to court documents first reported by Missouri radio station KCUR-FM, the Missouri chief disciplinary counsel, Alan Pratzel, asked the state supreme court to indefinitely suspend the licenses of the two personal injury lawyers.
Pratzel’s office investigates ethical complaints against lawyers in Missouri. Okay that should help

john

It is worth considering, as one data point in the pool of evidence about what sorts of gun control policies do and do not work, the experience of Australia. Between October 1996 and September 1997, Australia responded to its own gun violence problem with a solution that was both straightforward and severe: It collected roughly 650,000 privately held guns. It was one of the largest mandatory gun buyback programs in recent history. Australia’s prime minister at the time, John Howard, had taken office just six weeks earlier at the head of a center-right coalition. He quickly drew a very clear… Read more »

john

Howard persuaded both his coalition and Australia’s states (the country has a federal system) to agree to a sweeping, nationwide reform of gun laws. The so-called National Firearms Agreement (NFA), drafted the month after the shooting, sharply restricted legal ownership of firearms in Australia. It also established a registry of all guns owned in the country, among other measures, and required a permit for all new firearm purchases

JSNMGC

Australian enforcers lobbied for tighter gun control (just like American enforcers):

https://www.firearmscouncil.org.au/index.php/2016/03/30/victoria-police-campaigning-on-gun-thefts-again/

JSNMGC

Australian enforcers lobbied for more gun control laws.

American enforcers lobby for more gun control laws.

These facts “irritate” some ex-enforcers.

Russn8r

Who takes them if you don’t turn them in when “asked”? Think the MPs put on goon suits and come to your house?

john

Time is on the side of those anti gun activist don’t think so how many years have they been at it. Why not ask a person living in australia the same question. I agree that most will stand our ground.

CourageousLion

Obviously! The ENFORCEMENT class is what keeps the slimeball psychopathic control freaks in power. Their class enriches the coffers of the elite.

HLB

Years ago, I saw gun owners endorse the popular new wave of “constitutional carry”, even though they already had real Constitutional Carry. They sold out the ones who engaged in real Constitutional Carry so they could have the glamor of Allowed constitutional carry. Now all the peoples have been brain washed as to the true meaning of Constitutional Carry. Even the legislators that I have talked to seem to really think they can legitimately regulate weapons carry because of a trend in ignorance. Well, the people now have what they asked for. If a legislature can grant you an inalienable… Read more »

CourageousLion

Well if you have to make your stand in a place like that do it well. We would like to see in the news that you took 10 or 20 with you.

HLB

It is really hard to live a life where an armed government is constantly poking at you. I don’t want to hurt anybody, but I carry 21 rounds to do just that. Somewhere in that statement is reason and logic.

HLB

Rock

Vote the three Republicans out for sure, then focus on their partner Democrats…

ExGob

I have read and reread the documentation of the 2nd amendment to our Constitution and I am yet to find anything that makes mention of the need for anyone’s permission to exercise the rights guaranteed to us by the amendment. Firearms are inanimate objects that do nothing on their own. Should we attempt to outlaw everything that could be used to kill someone? The solution to the problem of crimes involving a firearm is to properly punish those who commit such crimes instead of attempting to punish the innocent along with the guilty. Would it serve any useful purpose to… Read more »

CourageousLion

You’re missing the NEW 2nd amendment. Here, I’ll update you with this: The NEW Second Amendment of the amended US Bill of Rights… (sorry, we no longer follow “proper procedure” for amending these pain in the ass listed rights) A well regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed EXCEPT: You are buying the firearms for yourself. EXCEPT: we already did away with the Militia by passing the Dick Act in 1903 EXCEPT: you say something that we deem to be verbally inappropriate.… Read more »

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ExGob

Damn! I must have been dead longer than I though! Maybe I should never have resurrected . Thanks for the update. Keep your powder dry.

CourageousLion

Isn’t it wonderful how two psychopathic control freaks can derail legislation that is meant to give the people back their RIGHT to carry a firearm? I’d ask both of those slime balls, HOW MANY CRIMINALS GIVE A FLYING RATS ASS about your permit laws? As a matter of fact, how many of US should give a flying rats ass. Just because he became a police official as his lifes undertaking, what makes him so SPECIAL over someone who decided to be an electrician or plumber or any other profession besides that of a psychopathic control freak profession? Let the DOWN… Read more »

PAF145

The problem with police supervisors is they tend to be more worried about politics than reality

Arizona Don

As one who once worked law enforcement I can certainly agree.

Winchester1873

So much for these useless liberals. Call a cop when you’re being assaulted. Wait patiently.

CourageousLion

Why would you be getting assaulted? Don’t you realize their “laws” put a shield of invulnerability around you 24/7? Carry a gun. Cops are too heavy.

RicktheBear

Ya know, PS, you often make a good point and then you undermine it by continually dipping from “the Jews run the world” well. Sigh.

Like Sally Brown in “A Charlie Brown Christmas”, if Jews really are running the world, I just want my share.

CourageousLion

Well for sure, Jews aren’t running the world. Zionists are.

Hazcat

Cops are never your friends. Do not trust them at any level.

PAF145

I’m guessing you have some sort of record

Dry gulched

Hazcat is right. Even Masood Ayoob, a gun guru from way back, says don’t talk to the police after a shooting until you get a lawyer, and I doubt he has a record. The police can be your friend or your worst enemy if you say the wrong thing.

CourageousLion

Actually they can be your worse enemy because they will twist and distort what you say.

hippybiker

You got that right! And they will lie to you with impunity and won’t be punished for it but if you lie to them well, just ask Martha Stewart!

musicman44mag

depending on if they like you or not. Doesn’t have anything to do with right or wrong.

macdog

Nice reference to Masoof Ayoob

CourageousLion

The big question would be a RECORD FOR WHAT? Some non crime where there was no victim involved?

Hazcat

You would be incorrect.

Montana454Casull

It appears Lizard chameleon Brown skidmark needs to be voted out of office along with the other 2 RINOS if the people of Indiana want to exercise thier God given rights !

CourageousLion

Naaa…just exercise them and use them if you are assaulted by some shit bird that thinks he has more rights then you do.

TStheDeplorable

The problem is that, per the Indiana Constitution, citizens already have the right to carry weapons “for personal protection.” There should be no such thing as a permit. But, like the US Supreme Court, the Indiana Supreme Court decided that express statements of rights come with unwritten limits, and in the 1950s the Indiana Supreme Court decided that it was okay to require people to get permits to exercise the right to bear arms for self protection. Since then in the democrat jurisdictions Sheriffs have played every trick possible to dissuade people from applying for permit. When I got mine… Read more »

Henry Bowman

These aren’t turncoats. They are RINOs and the Indiana GOP is full of them. The people of Indiana themselves are mostly RINOs and are OK with a lot of what the ‘apostate GOP’ does. This is why I moved; I’m sick of compromisers and appeasers. If Indiana were to see an influx of blue state refugees who bring their failed politics with them, Indiana would flip blue overnight with the help of RINOs. Just like Georgia RINOs or even Texas RINOs.

There can be no tolerance toward commiecrats in a liberty-oriented society.

Wild Bill

Why do we even have a political class?

Henry Bowman

We ought not to!

CourageousLion

Because we have been conditioned to believe we need them or that society would crumble into absolute chaos and insanity. Oh wait, society is crumbling into absolute chaos and insanity BECAUSE of the political class.

Wild Bill

The key is the primaries. Weed out the rinos and dinos and party hacks. Texas allows cross over voting in the primaries. So one can vote for the weakest democrat, if the best Second Amendment supporter is a shoo in.

CourageousLion

I guess you still believe voting is fair and equitable? REALLY?

Wild Bill

About 7% of eligible voters vote in the primaries. That is like 14 votes in the actual election. Nothing fair or equitable about that, but nonvoting gives the one that do vote a better chance at getting rid of rinos, and party hacks.
If one does not vote in the primary, they we get stuck with whomever the party decides on.

john

Rinos Democrats Republicans once you enter the swamp be prepared to fight or join them. Politicians have only two choices once they make their choice, We The People are to correct our mistakes and vote for those that work for all the people.

CourageousLion

The problem is that very very few NORMAL people want the job of lording over their fellow man. They are born with a control freak psychopathy about them that takes over and makes them want to rise to the top of the pond with all the other scum.

Henry Bowman

One would hope!

Terry

Yep – at least with a Democrat, you know you’re getting a commie. A RINO is a traitor!

Russn8r

So you despise Greg Abbott now, TEX? Not nice after he paid for your sex change.

Abbott Killed Ban on Child Sex Change Surgeries
https://texasscorecard.com/podcasts/how-burrows-phelan-abbott-killed-a-ban-on-sex-change-surgeries-in-texas-episode-140
Abbott-Phelan take $250k from kiddie sex-change mills then kill kiddie sex change ban
https://nationalfile.com/texas-abbott-patrick-house-speaker-received-250k-from-clinic-that-chemically-castrates-transgender-kids/

Jeffersonian

That “qualification” barely counts as a warm-up for the IPSC and multigun matches I’ve attended. And those weren’t even big official matches, just local club stuff.
Police barely know which end the hot stuff comes from… but they call themselves “experts”.

CourageousLion

I’ve been at a range where the cops were practicing and watched as many of them made full size silhouette targets look like shot gun patterns all over the target at TWENTY FIVE FEET! It did give me some confidence that if I got in a gun fight with one he’d lose because he would have an entry wound at that distance between his eyes. Hope it never comes to that BUT…

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john

First state of the union in the history of the USA
Where the government has surrounded itself with military around the capital.

Henry Bowman

This is not America anymore; it’s the United Soviet States of Amerika.

Henry Bowman

That must be some good stuff you’re smokin, dude!
Can I get a hit on that hopium too?

Wild Bill

I saw a news report that quoted a poll of likely repub voters, and Trump got 59 percent, next was Desantis with 29 percent.

HLB

Why? Because he outlawed bump stocks?

HLB

Henry Bowman

Looks like I triggered the usual snowflakes. LOL

Dry gulched

HB: the only snowflakes here are the ones that keep referencing Trump because he lives in your noggin 24/7/365. LOL

Henry Bowman

Not me, I’m too busy doing actually important stuff. But I see and notice those who are…

john

I live in the United States of America till told differently I will continue to call it by name and call it home.

CourageousLion
Henry Bowman

Ignorance is bliss.

CourageousLion

So they won’t be able to steal the election again? And AGAIN? And AGAIN?

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Wild Bill

Well, I don’t know about stealing. They were very sophisticated at it. But cheating has been going on since the formation of parties.

CourageousLion

And it’s been that way for A LONG TIME. SOMEONE prove me WRONG! https://www.educate-yourself.org/cn/communistmanifestortenplanks12sep06.shtml

CourageousLion

Down votes don’t prove me wrong. It just proves that you’re an idiot.

Henry Bowman

Haha yeah!
I get that a lot (downvotes) – BADGE OF HONOR

JSNMGC

Another great article – thanks David.

I’m waiting for a statement from even a small group out of the over 13,000 Indiana enforcers objecting to the amendment.

Why are the good apples so quiet and the bad apples so effective at being bad?

Wild Bill

Not everyone has the time or inclination to debate when you want them to. Not everyone is a hard core unemployable.

JSNMGC

There you go lying again.

Wild Bill

Lying is an attempt to deceive. I am trying to determine if you have any credibility. So it can not be a lie. An educated person would know that.

JSNMGC

You provided an incomplete definition of lying. What you continue to do is lie, just as if someone wrote things about you that were untrue and which they just made up with no basis. Consider discussing the topic at hand for a change. The Indiana State Police and Indiana Chiefs of Police lobbied to water-down or defeat pro 2nd Amendment legislation. No group of people out of the more than 13,000 people in Indiana law enforcement organized and issued a statement to the legislators or the media in support of the legislation. You continue to make odd arguments defending law… Read more »

JSNMGC

Jesse/Will/”TEX” – 2/28/22:

“WB is absolutely right about you being a liar and it’s definition. You irritate me!”

Response to Jesse/Will/”TEX:”

What do you think about the enforcers lobbying against this legislation?

CourageousLion

BOO HOO…He irritates you. Poor baby!

Russn8r

Yeah. Someone who was on the general staff of the Hemline War College, with an imaginary ranch.

Wild Bill

Bless his little heart.

Russn8r

Do trolls like you have hearts?

Russn8r

Why are you such a Quibbler? Why do you and your sock puppet posse protect “Law Enforcement” oppressors?

Jeffersonian

One word:
Pensions.

CourageousLion

Watch as a repeat of the French Revolution of 1789 gets played out world wide…

CourageousLion

Because there are no “good apples”.