Why The NRA Must Survive

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I Am The NRA

Fairfax, Virginia – -(AmmoLand.com)- The Cuomo-James jihad against the National Rifle Association has drawn some support from some Second Amendment supporters. Many of them have often called the NRA “sellouts,” “Fudds,” or “Negotiating Rights Away.” But not standing against the state of New York’s attacks on the NRA is very short-sighted for a number of reasons.

Cuomo Wasn’t Just Targeting The NRA

When one reads the actual letters Andrew Cuomo’s minions sent to banks and insurance companies, the exact language used is key. The late Rush Limbaugh told us, “Words mean things.” So, what words did those letters use? Both letters mention NRA, but they also included the phrase “similar gun promotion organizations.”

What is a “gun promotion organization?” Could it be those that advocate for Second Amendment rights? Arguably, because the NRA did that for years. But does it stop with the NRA? Probably not. Gun Owners of America, the Second Amendment Foundation, the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, the National Shooting Sports Foundation, and the Firearms Policy Coalition are just one four-letter word for New York: Next.

Even Ammoland might be considered such an organization. Think about that. The NRA is our first line of defense against New York’s assault.

NRA’s “Single-Issue” Approach Matters

One thing is clear: There are a lot of new gun owners, and gun ownership is becoming more diverse. This is potentially very good news, but only if we can avoid allowing anti-Second Amendment extremists from playing “divide and conquer.”

Ironically, the NRA’s “single-issue” focus, long a boogeyman of some, may actually be crucial when it comes to capitalizing on more diverse gun ownership. By focusing only on gun issues (to include secondary issues like judicial nominations and fighting campaign “reform” schemes), the NRA brings a diverse coalition together and complicates things for anti-Second Amendment extremists.

Remember, 2020 was decided by a razor-thin margin in a number of states. Biden really has no room for error, as noted earlier in these pages. We should not repeat his blunders.

NRA Doesn’t Just Do Politics And Legislation

The NRA has never been just about lobbying. They have been at the forefront of providing training in firearms safety. The group also helps provide training for law enforcement and those who have an interest in gunsmithing. There’s work for hunters, ranges, local gun clubs, and competitive shooters as well. The group also has programs for those with disabilities, youth, and women.

Who else does any of this, much less all? Maybe you don’t like the NRA’s political and legislative strategy. That is your business. But the loss of those programs, especially when we are seeing millions of new gun owners, would be a blow from which the Second Amendment community might not recover from.

For 150 years, the NRA has been there for those who exercise their Second Amendment rights, and not just on the legislative or political arenas. Yes, Wayne LaPierre’s strategic missteps are such he should step down, but the organization has much to provide for the next 150 years, and Second Amendment supporters would be very short-sighted to root on the Lavrentiy Beria-inspired witch hunt Letitia James has been carrying out.


About Harold Hutchison

Writer Harold Hutchison has more than a dozen years of experience covering military affairs, international events, U.S. politics and Second Amendment issues. Harold was consulting senior editor at Soldier of Fortune magazine and is the author of the novel Strike Group Reagan. He has also written for the Daily Caller, National Review, Patriot Post, Strategypage.com, and other national websites.Harold Hutchison

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HoundDogDave

I didn’t waist my time reading past the headline as soon as I noticed it was writen by Harold (the yellow coward) Hutchinson. In fact, I only came here to verify my suspicion it was him once again giving cover for the criminal enterprise that once was the NRA. SMDH

Henry Bowman

Wayne LaPierre needs to go FIRST. And Harold, you need to stop denigrating critics of Not Really Activists with strawman arguments. Your stupid insults toward at least half of the 2A activist base is poor ‘strategery’.
You might earn yourself another boycott effort with at least as many signers as the last one (about 200), if not more. Everybody here hates your little quisling arse and your constant insults directed at NRA critics! Opposing WLP’s corruption and financial malfeasance does NOT mean activists support the Anti-gun gang!

Chuck

Patron member here, also former instructor and RSO, the NRA has done a lot of good throughout its history, even today the ILA branch continues the fight against government intrusion into our 2nd Amendment. The various Gun Safety programs for all ages, Instructor certs, and untold other activities of a positive benefit, not just to the membership, but to the country, will all disappear if the NRA fades away, and I don’t see any other 2A organization stepping up to fill those shoes. Advocating for the 2nd, yes, educating the public, and all the other NRA supported programs? Not yet.… Read more »

Charlie Foxtrot

I don’t see any other 2A organization stepping up to fill those shoes.

So, you never heard of the Firearms Policy Coalition, Gun Owners of America, Second Amendment Foundation, United States Concealed Carry Association and the numerous state gun rights organizations, like the Tennessee Firearms Association and the Virginia Citizens Defense League?

The current “brouhaha” is such a legal liability that no insurance in the world will insure the NRA Directors and Officers anymore, not even Lloyds (who ensures people living on active volcanos).

JSNMGC

I laughed. You should post more.

Russn8r

Grass Roots North Carolina

swmft

one thing you never hear in this group, is 4h , why is that the 4h youth program is positive and honest. ,without the arrogant two faced bs of nra “leadership” the nra could have quashed the 1934 gun control act ,but did not instead they helped write it and the 1968 law as well,remember the reason for the big rewrite in 1968 was a scotus decision that gutted the purported purpose of the original law keep guns out of hands of criminals. WHAT BS the 1986 law to stop sales of new mg to civilians more bs Ronald was… Read more »

ralph

Every patriot’s late mentor, Rush Limbaugh, used to say you don’t fix the Republican party by voting for a 3d party (Perot) candidate. Much the same is that we cannot afford to lose the NRA just because Wayne Pierre likes $2000 suits and posh accommodations. The NRA Board has responsibility for internal housekeeping and when I (Patron Member) vote for NRA directors I read the qualifications of every applicant and never fail to be amazed by their services over many decades. We must not fail the NRA or it will fail us. There are so many very good things the… Read more »

Wild Bill

You have an impressive record, sir! With all respect, I ask, humbly, Why does not the board get rid of WLP?

Charlie Foxtrot

Again, Wayne LaPierre is free to buy all the suits he wants from his taxed salary, but not with untaxed NRA funds because that is federal tax fraud! The Board has responsibility for internal housekeeping, but has failed to do so for decades. Yes, that is quite impressive! Who cares if the NRA CEO sank a quarter of the annual revenue into a failed self defense insurance program, right? Who cares that the NRA leadership and its lawyers fraudulently filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy without properly notifying the Board or the NRA’s own Chief Financial Officer, right? Nothing prevents you… Read more »

Stag

The NRA needs to go. Not because of its leadership. Not because of the State it is located. Definitely not because of some overzealous anti-2A politician. All of those things could be changed and a honorable 2A organization would thrive. It needs to go because for the past 88+ years it has stabbed arms owners in the back. It has consistently supported arms laws at both the federal and state levels. It has repeatedly played both sides in order to grow in power and keep dues flowing in by playing on gun owners fears that without the NRA all would… Read more »

MICHAELANGELO

If this was truly the case, why is the LEFT trying to get rid of the NRA if they already have them in their back pocket?

Stag

Because the left wants even more gun control than the NRA. This really isn’t that hard to understand. You want to call people traitors because they don’t support the NRA. Meanwhile, you are supporting an organization who has actually lobbied for infringement. An organization who claims to fight for the 2A and then supported the NFA, GCA, Mulford Act, Hughes Amendment, import bans, NICS, regulating accessories, ERPOs aka red flag laws, and FixNICS. Are you ignorant of everything they’ve done or is the cognitive dissonance just too strong for you to see?

MICHAELANGELO

How about this? I will not call you a traitor if you ‘choose not to support the NRA as long as you don’t call me a traitor for choosing to support the NRA. The NRA has its faults. However, we are further along with the NRA rather than without them. All of this about nother but the almighty DOLLAR!! WLP has always been a FIGHTER!! Nobody is just going to run him off. My own family stole money from me. But I still love and care for them.

Wild Bill

Although greatly divided on how, I think that we all have a lot of common ground concerning the what (we want).

Russn8r

More Rodney King suckup from Wild Bill

JayWPB

This entire controversy should be a lesson to all of us concerning term limits, for politicians as well as for board members. Power corrupts…

Xaun Loc

Sorry, Harold, but the best thing that could happen for gun rights in America would be the immediate dissolution of the NRA – even with the loss of all its tangible resources. The NRA is not now, and never has been, a pro-RKBA organization, despite having successfully duped most gun owners and most gun opponents into thinking the NRA was a bastion supporting gun owner rights. Throughout its history, the NRA has done quite a bit of good in the form of marksmanship and safety programs — but none of that was support by the national organization for the citizens’… Read more »

MICHAELANGELO

Get Real!!! That’s the way we are in this country. We get mad and want to get rid of organizations when money is involved. However, we don’t fight as hard when it comes down to issues of honesty and integrity. For in doing so, we would have to get rid of ourselves!!

Ram

I remember the Cincinnati membership revolt. I remember hearing that later, the board took steps that, over time, erased that option. Receiving various NRA magazines, seemed to impart less and less knowledge about the NRA. Neal Knox’s column in the Shotgun News, was a much better source of NRA information. Too many drawing room (RINO) republicans, were reclining on Olympus, far above the common laborer membership. The membership became cash-cows for the elitist Fudds. I joined because the theme of family and an American ethos, was similar to my own. A behavioral template seemed to have been forged, to take… Read more »

Wild Bill

Well said and well done, sir!

MICHAELANGELO

I am going to buy a 55 Gallon Drum of KLEENEX tissues so all of you Haters can wipe your crying eyes. If you no longer support the NRA, GET OUT!! Go support SLEEPY Joe & The Laughing HYENA!!!

JSNMGC

Are those the only two options?

  1. Pay the NRA to push legislation that puts the U.S. on a longer road to the same destination desired by Democrat and other totalitarian politicians; or
  2. Support the Democrats who are working on a shorter road to that destination.

No thanks.

Why do you hate firearm rights and why do you support corruption?

Face it, the NRA is done. Too many people have seen what they have done in the past, what they are doing now, and how donations have been misspent.

https://nrawatch.org/news/nras-2021-revenue-hits-new-lows-as-legal-spending-hits-record-highs/

MICHAELANGELO

I do not support corruption!! Neither do I support a FAIR WEATHER NRA brother!! IF it wasn’t for the NRA, we would be pro 2nd Amendment supporters most miserable. Apparently, WLP isn’t going anywhere. So we can either continue to support the NRA or leave!! Stop criticizing and make a decision to tough it out or GET OUT!! Biden will leave office before WLP does. I am not happy with everything the NRA has done. If you want to vent your frustration, contact the NRA directly. And whether you like it or not, the NRA still has many LOYAL supporters.… Read more »

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JSNMGC

Don’t stroke-out. I’ll stay right here. Who are you to tell me to move elsewhere? I won’t stop criticizing. I have called the NRA. I’m a life member, so I can’t take my money back, but I certainly haven’t given them any more in a long, long time. Continuing to send money to the NRA isn’t loyalty, it’s stupidity. Donations are down and what donations they are getting are largely coming from one demographic – a demographic that is shrinking every day. The donations will continue to go down. There are many ways to advance firearm rights. One of them… Read more »

MICHAELANGELO

Who are you to accuse me of supporting corruption? Biden is pulling money from all of our paychecks to support his corrupt agenda. Are we therefore guilty of corruption as well? Have you considered that WLP may have learned a valuable lesson with all of this backlash? Why don’t we all just come together and TOUGH IT OUT? Sooner or later, we are going to get pass this.

Wild Bill

Well, I see that you have met the leader of the local hate group. No one likes him much. Please don’t run off like others have.

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JSNMGC

Wild Bill, your creepy stalking is getting worse.

I understand your feelings are hurt but get over it.

Regarding hate – you indicated the hate is coming from your little crew.

Wild Bill

Unworthy of comment.

JSNMGC
Wild Bill

You have insulted so many here, that many have come to the same conclusion about you. Every time a new person comments, you pounce like a barn cat.

JSNMGC

You keep using this appeal to a crowd – “we,” “us,” “so many” You also are hyperbolic – “Every time” You also lie: “raging ah;” Stating that I had indicated I worked as a tow truck driver; Stating I didn’t understand how to use “sic” You also keep saying I “chased away” members. Will and Tex are the same person – he told you that specifically. I didn’t chase him away. You indicated I “wrote filth” when I didn’t and then you were silent when one of your crew members wrote the most disgusting things I’ve seen posted here. Now… Read more »

Wild Bill

What was it that you told him, don’t stroke out? Well, don’t stroke out.

JSNMGC

“What was it that you told him, don’t stroke out? Well, don’t stroke out.” ~ Wild Bill

Oh, I’m calm, Wild Bill.

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Russn8r

Trolling again with your sock puppets.

MICHAELANGELO

I am here to stay. I have no place for Haters; only Fighters!! Apparently all of us still love the NRA because we are still members.

Wild Bill

Well, love might be a little strong, but things would be a lot better with a proper reorganization, and a leader that is subject to an annual performance review.

JSNMGC

“Who are you to accuse me of supporting corruption?” Just joking because of the nature of your first post above – you got a little of what you gave. “Biden is pulling money from all of our paychecks to support his corrupt agenda.” I agree and it’s wrong and there are lots of politicians like him. “Are we therefore guilty of corruption as well?” See above. “Have you considered that WLP may have learned a valuable lesson with all of this backlash?” The problems with the NRA go well beyond Wayne. Regarding Wayne, I believe he is scheming for a… Read more »

Wild Bill

Asking for his qualifications, when you have none, yourself?

JSNMGC

You are lying again, Wild Bill.

Why do you lie and why are you obsessed with my background?

Wild Bill

You are the pot that calls the kettle black. You are an amateur deceiver, and it shows.

As to your background, you wrote to Michaelangelo , “Who are you to … ” . So I am just holding you to your own standard.

Every thinking person considers the source of information. You have never answered the question, “Why should we believe you?” You are an F-6 source. And you insult and chase away interesting people.

JSNMGC

It’s really not healthy for you to be so obsessed with someone posting on the internet. You keep lying about my background. “Asking for his qualifications, when you have none, yourself?” That’s a lie – one you have repeated several times. You have stated I have no qualifications, no education, that I haven’t taken certain classes, that I haven’t accomplished anything, etc. Regarding my “Who are you . . .” question to MICHAELANGELO, it was in response to this comment he made: “If you don’t like it, take your money and your comments and move on elsewhere!!” I was responding… Read more »

Wild Bill

There is only one way to prove that you are worth believing, until then you are unsat.

JSNMGC

I have no need for you to “believe” me.

Wild Bill

There is no need for anyone to believe you!

JSNMGC

“There is no need for anyone to believe you!” ~ Wild Bill

I’m chuckling here, Wild Bill. I agree with you – there is no need for anyone to believe me. That is a fact.

Russn8r

Remind us of your phony qualifications. Let’s see, Hemline U, War College, General Staff of the German Army, running a YUGE sock puppet “ranch”.

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Finnky

Still trying to get out. Paid for a one year membership once, before I understood how corrupt they’d become. Now several years later I keep getting their junk mail and pleas for funding.

Please let me out – I want off their mailing list. If nothing else save the printing and mailing costs and donate that money to goa or saf or somebody else useful.

MICHAELANGELO

Contact an attorney! A letter can be drawn up for about $25. You can draw up a letter yourself without getting a lawyer involved. That will end any further correspondence.

Stag

This guy LOVES infringement.

JSNMGC

There used to be over a million like him.

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MICHAELANGELO

Really?

Unhappy Life Member

In my humble opinion, (1) the NRA will only survive if, and only if, Lapierre is gone; and (2) the NRA will only have credibility with it’s members when the executive salaries are adjusted to something far more reasonable. The current salaries show that the executives are in it for the money, and not the cause.

Wild Bill

Well said. I think that many hold that opinion. I could be wrong.

swmft

even red cross is no longer run as a charity it is a progressive money farm

KCsmith

Their survival is entirely up to themselves. I won’t give them another dime until LaPierre and his cronies are gone for good. If they do this before they fail completely, they’ll likely survive. If not, they won’t. At this point, I really don’t care either way.

MICHAELANGELO

Leave

musicman44mag

I think you are right on this one Harold, but we need to get rid of PePe LaPew and then the NRA can bounce back and survive otherwise there is too much hurt and angst over what has taken place and other organizations will grow just like they have been because of LaPew and the past actions of the NRA. The NRA needs to learn a lesson from this, and the lesson is, fight anything that inhibits the people’s ability to own a firearm and fight for anything that stops the gun grab. Red Flag, bump stocks, fully auto and… Read more »

Darkman

The problem is. The problem goes much deeper than La Pierre.The Rot includes everyone on the BOD who supported him or didn’t speak out against him. In this case simply cutting the head off the snake will not kill the evil that exists in it. It will just regenerate into a facsimile of it’s former self.The entire organization must be torn down and rebuild if possible with the original ideals it was founded on. If that is not possible. There are plenty of worthwhile organization to fill the void and continue the fight to protect the 2nd Amendment from the… Read more »

Xaun Loc

Yes, “The Rot includes everyone on the BOD who supported him”

But remember that the vote was unanimous.

musicman44mag

You don’t throw out a broken engine if you can over haul it. You are right, it needs overhauled.

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Xaun Loc

Nope!

You not only need to get rid of the stench — you equally need to get rid of each and every one of the so-called directors who voted to support him. (You do recall that the vote was UNANIMOUS, right?)

LaPierre needs to face trial for his criminal malfeasance and the entire board should face charges for fiduciary misconduct.

musicman44mag

Yes I do. I also remember dropping my membership when that happened. I was thinking of becoming a lifer at the time. So glad I didn’t go there.

MICHAELANGELO

Stop trying to convince others to leave the NRA. If you are not content with the work the NRA has done, you are free to leave as it is a FREE country we live in. Most of us have blown far more money on other things than we are complaining about when it comes down to the dues that we pay to the NRA. Membership may be going down. But so are memberships with many other companies and organizations. All of you who are not happy with the NRA, please LEAVE. Go start your own pro 2nd Amendment company. Let’s… Read more »

musicman44mag

Umm. I think you need to re-read what I wrote. I did not say that anyone should leave the NRA I was explaining why members left. As far as leaving and starting my own 2nd amendment company, I think if you re-read my post, you will see where I already explained the outcome of that. If you have read any of my posts in the past, you would know I am a proponent (in favor of) all gun groups working together as a team to stop the tide of gun control and have been eviscerated (disemboweled) = removal of internal… Read more »

MICHAELANGELO

Well stated response!! How can we all UNITE and fight this battle TOGETHER without trashing the NRA? I don’t care how much it costs to keep & enjoy my 2nd Amendment rights.

Roland T. Gunner

Nobody gives a rat’s ass about the nra’s training programs; they are just fluff, totally inconsequential to their true mandate. Rhetorical questions, since we all know the answers: where was nra when the NFA was passed? Where was nra when the GCA was passed? Where were they when the Omnibus Crime Bill was passed? And a really crucial one- where was nra when Charlie Rangel fraudulently, ILLEGALY, “passed” the Hughes Amendment? I’ll tell you where Dick Head LaPierre was…he was smoking cigars with Charlie Rangel. I have refused to be a member of nra since I left them, 25 years… Read more »

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JSNMGC

“Where was nra when the GCA was passed?”

A paternalistic ex-Army Colonel and lawyer (who then furthered his career as a government employee before becoming the NRA Executive Vice-President), born in 1907 thought he knew best and endorsed/facilitated the legislation.

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Xaun Loc

Q: “where was nra when the NFA was passed?”

A: Testifying before congress in support of the NFA and specifically against the right of citizens to bear arms outside the home and in favor of strict national regulations and licensing.

MICHAELANGELO

Sorry you feel that way. You all are looking for perfection. I guess the disgruntled members would be happy if the NRA had spent more money to fight against anti 2nd Amendment laws; even if we had lost. No organization wins every battle. I guess a moral victory would suffice. See if you can convince all of the other haters to leave as well. Afterwards, you can keep your comments to yourself.

musicman44mag

Nope, sorry, we are looking for honesty not perfection. Yes more money should be spent on fighting anti-gun laws rather than expensive clothes, wine and parties. You are right, no organization wins every battle, but they need to be on the right side, which is your side when they battle for you, not lie with the dogs and stab you in the back and support infringements like they have. Again, I refer to the first response I wrote to this article.

MICHAELANGELO

I have people like that in my own family. Still love them though. WLP may have made some foolish mistakes. Give him time to correct it. I don’t care what WLP does as long as he keeps fighting for my 2nd Amendment rights. If he needs some nice clothes, I’ll chip in a little more. If he wants to have a party, fine with me. You need to do your homework and you will see that nobody dresses and parties like our elected politicians–all at Tax Payer expense!!! Our elected officials have parties that are fit for a King!! Why… Read more »

musicman44mag

Funny, you are telling me I need to do some homework and you are the one making mistakes. Your buddy Wayne soaks the supporters of NRA for over a million a year. He can buy his own clothes. Fighting for your rights? Endorsing the bump stock and red flag laws is not supporting NRA members or our rights. I have stated this before yet you maintain your stance. You need to study up on what I told you. I am starting to think you are a shill for the NRA or just stubborn and not willing to grow. These things… Read more »

MICHAELANGELO

I will spend my money AS I PLEASE. We have corruption on a MASSIVE scale with our elected officials on Capitol Hill. They live better than all of us put together. Most of them are millionaires many times over. When are we going to unite to stop ithis level of corruption?WLP loves the NRA. I love football. My favorite team has never won ALL of its games. We pick on a TRUE FIGHTER while letting massive corrupt politicians March At Will!! IF you NO longet supporter the NRA,, you are FREE to get out. However, DO NOT try to convince… Read more »

musicman44mag

I can’t get out of something I am not in. I never said that people should leave the NRA but that I cannot support the NRA so long as PE PE laPEW is in there. I have stated several times that all groups should join together in the fight against joe kamaltoe obiden and taken a lot of flak over it and i will spend my money as I see fit too just like everyone should.

Charlie Foxtrot

Fixed it for you: I will spend my money AS I PLEASE. We have corruption on a MASSIVE scale with our elected officials in the NRA. They live better than all of us put together. Most of them are millionaires many times over. When are we going to unite to stop ithis level of corruption?

Charlie Foxtrot

And this is exactly why the NRA is going down the drain, completely uninformed members that are willing to throw their money out of the window! Note that Wayne LaPierre’s suits were paid for by the NRA’s PR firm, Ackerman McQueen, and charged to the NRA as PR services provided. This is federal tax fraud! Wayne LaPierre himself admitted that and paid the NRA back $300,000, which doesn’t absolve him from legal consequences (just as stealing a car and bringing it back when caught doesn’t). Note that Wayne LaPierre does get a multi-million Dollar salary from which he can by… Read more »

Russn8r

Massive theft & fraud is a “foolish mistake”? How’s Pepe’s jock taste today?

Dave

I recently received a NRA flyer in the mail to upgrade my life membership and receive a nice fleece jacket…cutoff date sometime in February. I set it in my gun room to contemplate giving them more money and get what looks like a nice jacket. I reread it the other day and decided I could buy a nice jacket for the $119 value instead of sending in $250 to upgrade to endowment. I believe in the NRA, from past years, but they need to fire the heads and move from NY. I used to think, fight the enemy in their… Read more »

Dave

Oh, and from the article headline, I knew harry was the author…yep.

willyd

Same idea about the upgrade, did that two years ago, nice backpack, NEVER GOT IT, so no more money for their upgrades from me, over two years and still waiting!!!!!!!!!

Darkman

I’ve been a life member for since the 80’s when I purchased my membership with a lump sum payment. Early last year I received one of those offers also. I sent a nicely worded reply in the return envelope. Stating that I would no longer support the NRA monetarily until Wayne La Pierre was removed from the organization and the entire BOD resigned and agreed to never serve in any capacity for the NRA in perpetuity. I haven’t received any further correspondence from them since, with the exception of the 1st Freedom magazine. I’ve been getting for years. I now… Read more »

musicman44mag

I used to love using it to start my fireplace. Gave me a warm feeling inside and out.

Ltbdb

I have been a NRA member for 45 years but I won’t send them another dime until LaPierre is gone.. Until then it’s GOA and SAF. If the NRA decides to run itself into the ground to keep LaPierre it’s a shane.

Raconteur

My thoughts, exactly

2gats

We should be looking also at the rubber stampers on the board and go after them and their businesses for the treason they have subborned

MICHAELANGELO

Just Leave

2gats

Not $.01 for nra corrupt sellout traitors

nra brought me gca 34 & 68 and every horrendous cancelation of my / my kids rights. They can burn to the ground.

Support Second Amendment Foundation (who actually litigates most cases nra rides in at the end to claim credit for) FPC and GOA.

NO MONEY FOR nra

nra Life member (and I have purchased 9 additional life memberships for family) but never again as long as wayne is feeding on the carcass

JSNMGC

Wayne isn’t the only problem. People may want to understand those who are asking for donations to “save the NRA.” An explanation of the qualifications people had for the roles they were in and a table showing all the different forms of compensation people received would be helpful. Get it all into the sunlight and let people respond to comments like this: “For Phillips, the contract was a $360,000-a-year postemployment consulting contract. Recently departed CFO Craig Spray testified that while the NRA paid Phillips over $600,000 in 2019, Phillips did not provide any services to the NRA’s Treasury Department that year.”… Read more »

MICHAELANGELO

Biden has blown far more money on Illegals. He still pulls money from our checks for far WORSE actions than WLP. How much lobbying are the NRA Unfaithful members doing to stop Biden and the Demo-Rats? The Biden administration are taking our money and using us like Guinea Pigs. How about all of us coming together to stop this IDIOCY??!!

TexDad

Wrong. To establish a new frontrunner who actually cares about stopping gun control, NRA has to go.

Wild Bill

Yep, once I had a lawn mower. It stopped working. I got rid of it!

warfinge

The NRA is out of control. I don’t appreciate how they use my donations and dues. Wayne makes me grind my teeth whenever I see him in his over priced suits. In an ideal world, the NRA would heed us and stop the waste of resources and the Fudd mentality of appeasement. In the real world, Wayne and the board feel too powerful to listen to our desires. There is no incentive to reform. If the NRA needs to perish to be replaced by a better organization, so be it. GOA would do so much more with the resources I… Read more »

MICHAELANGELO

Would you feel better if everything stayed as is and the NRA refunded your dues? The Left are LICKING THEIR CHOPS at NRA members. The Left still supports Biden even though he is a HYPOCRITE!!

Russn8r

Bullshit. The corruption & betrayals of LaPierre, the 76-clown rubber stamp Board of Directors, and the vampire vendors, does far more damage to 2A than Chuck Schumer could ever have dreamed. Sucking up ~$1B every few years, pocketing & wasting money that could go to expanding gun rights instead of destroying them. You might as well be working for Schumer.

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MICHAELANGELO

How much does Biden and the Illegals cost this country even year. It is in the hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars. Are you as upset about their out of control spending? Why don’t you run for an executive position on the board of directors with the NRA? WLP may have spent money that he shouldn’t have. My family has done the same. WLP is still fighting against infringement on our 2nd Amendment rights. He is not fighting against us. Give him a chance to right the ship. If you think so highly of Chuck Schumer, why don’t you vote for… Read more »

Charlie Foxtrot

Why don’t you run for an executive position on the board of directors with the NRA? Oh, right, you have no clue what you are talking about. Do you even know how to get on the ballot?

Russn8r

Biden steals & destroys, therefore we should let LePew do the same? Nice try. Get off his jock.

Wild Bill

I’m thinking that the federal government corruption thing has to be corrected, just as the NRA corruption has to be corrected. Sorry to hear about that family thing.

Russn8r

Keep On Sucking!

DDS

The NRA says it has somewhere in the neighborhood of 5 million members. The actual number has never been made available. But what is certain is that those “around 5 million” members don’t all get to vote in the Board of Directors elections. Many years ago, only those with Life Member or above status could vote. Currently people who have had annual membership for five or more consecutive years can also vote. But that number is also difficult to pin down. It is also difficult to come up with how many of those eligible actually return their ballots. I was… Read more »

Charlie Foxtrot

There is some truth to that, but then there are also the questions that you didn’t mention: How are NRA Directors elected in the first place? What are their terms and term limits? What are the eligibility requirements for being a Board candidate? Who decides who is going to be on the ballot and how? Who mysteriously didn’t get their ballot, despite eligibility? How is the 76th Director elected? Have the NRA Board elections be ever audited by the members? Were there ever any irregularities in the NRA Board elections? Were certain people ever been paid to vote for a… Read more »

Dave

Totally agree. Voting seems to be too much of a hassle and a lot of good people don’t utilize this right. Prior to this recent presidential election, we failed to vote in the right candidate so the left gets their puppet. And why is it we don’t know how many NRA members, to the exact, there are? Computers are pretty handy tools for keeping track of membership and spitting out current numbers.

Charlie Foxtrot

And why is it we don’t know how many NRA members, to the exact, there are?” Because that would be a performance metric that the NRA CEO could be measured by and fired for!

MICHAELANGELO

I will defintely support a voting system so every member has a voice in who leads the NRA.

JR

Thank you, a refreshingly civil and honest voice in these comments.
I can’t wait for the PPV event, I guess an MMA cage match will do, of “Wild Bill” vs. “Russn8r”. Harold Hutchison could referee.

Jim

need to weed the garden

Wild Bill

I don’t think that we can. The fix is in too deep.

MICHAELANGELO

Start at Capitol Hill first!!

Russn8r

No thanks. The traitors in our own tent (e.g. you) are why we can’t fix capitol hill.

nrringlee

OK. I will bite. I am a long standing life member of NRA and just like the Marine Corps I love the organization to the point where I am willing to be brutally honest in order to save it. First, ‘like other Second Amendment advocacy organizations” I will agree to a point. We have known for 45 years that the Progressive New Left has declared war on American value and virtue forming organizations. NRA lines up with Boy and Girl Scouts, various religious organizations and other civic organizations as targets of leftists. We know that. The key is this: NRA… Read more »

JR

Thanks for biting, marine, it is a pleasure to ponder your points here.

Wild Bill

So how do you propose to get rid of LaPierre and reconstruct the organization so that it is responsive to threats on the Second Amendment?
Oh and thank you for your service.

Darkman

In the case of the present NRA, It can’t be rebuilt just by cutting off the head of the snake. The rot goes much deeper to include everyone on the BOD that supported La Pierre or didn’t publicly speak out against him. The entire organization may well need to be torn down. Just like any other structure that has become untenable due to rot and decay. If that is not possible. There are plenty of other organizations to pick up the ball and run with it. Being a life member for over 40 years. I believed at one time it… Read more »

Wild Bill

I alway enjoy your analysis.

Russn8r

“I alway enjoy your anal***.” -Wild Bill

Nurph

The NRA supported every infringement in the 20th century & continued that support with the bump stock ban. Wayne has murdered any credibility that organization thought it had. There are other organizations that have filled the gap. It’s time for the FUDD patrol to go.

JR

I’m an NRA Life Member now, so who that I vote for soon will have the stones to oust the current leadership? Is that even possible? The Kenosha Koncern fast-tracked this classical liberal into y’all’s camp, but the threads I see seem to point to a dictatorship, that WLP and his chosen few are entrenched. To Harold Hutchison: Please amp up to Neal Knox Level and provide some guidance on saving, what we can, of the NRA. I’ve given to The Firearms Coalition, and maybe Jeff and Chris, and others are furiously working behind the scenes, and will pass info… Read more »

JPM

If the only way to get rid of LaPierre is to destroy the NRA, then it needs to be destroyed. Hopefully, someone, somehow will get rid of LaPierre (by any means available). LaPierre murdered the NRA decades ago and like the carrion he is, will continue to feed on its corpse as long as he can.

Terry

“If the only way to get rid of LaPierre is to destroy the NRA, then it needs to be destroyed.”
You don’t burn the ship to get rid of the rats – you kill the f#$%&g rats.

Benefactor Life Member

JSNMGC

The NRA was always about “common sense” gun control – it started long before Wayne.

When the “common sense” gun control they supported was abused, they pushed for a band aid (FOPA). When the band aid was compromised (Hughes Amendment), they still supported FOPA.

The only purpose the NRA serves is to act as a warning to members of other firearm rights organizations. There is a long list of lessons the NRA has provided.

Roland T. Gunner

Two thumbs up.

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JSNMGC

Thanks.

If the NRA had not supported the GCA of 1968, there would not have been abuses of the power it gave government.

If there were no abuses of the GCA of 1968, there would not have been a need for FOPA.

The individual armed government employees who abused the rights of their countrymen should have been arrested, prosecuted, convicted, and incarcerated. That would have been the correct response and it would have sent a message to other government employees to just leave people alone.

swmft

that is too true, if title 18 was applied how it should be there would be more fearful atf agents than dealers

Wild Bill

LaPierre got the rules changed so that the NRA can not get rid of him.
But the courts can get rid of him. Then we will reorganize.

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JR

Is this what Harold Hutchison can tell us? Or (and I can’t think of his name right now) the writer at The Reload, or Dave Workman? David Codrea? I’m kinda getting frustrated from this “kill the NRA / save the NRA” back and forth. I know a fate of the NRA is in the NY court. Does this have to play out? I don’t know. I joined the NRA, became a Life Member post haste so I could cast my vote this year, and if that’s for naught, so be it. I can and do still give to GOA, FPC,… Read more »

Wild Bill

All writers, commenters, and posters aside, for the moment, the fate of the NRA is in the hands of the court, and the court will have its way.

MICHAELANGELO

Wrong!! Looks like the fate of the NRA is in the hands of disgruntled members. If the NRA goes down, the anti 2nd Amendment supporters will have won a huge battle. Next will be every other pro gun organization.

Wild Bill

You mean to say that the the court’s ruling will not effect the NRA. Well, I hope that you are right.

JR

Thank you. Standing by then.

Russn8r

Workman betrayed the reform camp in ’97, the swing vote to save LaPew & Co, protected & worked for them for years.

HR 2640, NRA’s Latest “Victory”
https://www.oregonfirearms.org/12-21-07-hr-2640-the-nras-latest-victory

Dave helped NRA spin it
https://www.nraila.org/media/PDFs/workman_hr2640.pdf

“We tried to fire Wayne in ’97. Workman turned coat”
https://www.ammoland.com/2019/07/shit-storm-todays-nra-heads-need-to-roll/#comment-2765008
“I served with you in that era & had forgotten about Workman’s duplicity.”
https://www.ammoland.com/2019/07/shit-storm-todays-nra-heads-need-to-roll/#comment-2766267

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JSNMGC

A discussion of all those things would be interesting and might provide another lesson for members of other pro-firearm rights organizations to consider.

JR

Thank you for the reading material.

MICHAELANGELO

He will one day retire

MICHAELANGELO

Can you please provide us with those rules??

Wild Bill

I believe that it was the rules concerning candidacy, and the number of board members, after the Cincinnati membership revolt. I read an article. I could be wrong.
But I do know that the NRA has been sent rivers of money, enough to bribe every politician and judge from 1934 to the present. Yet, we still have gun control, and WLP has become inexplicably wealthy.

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JPM

If you tried and failed repeatedly to get rid of the rats and the ship is infested do you really want it to continue to the harbor and infect the port? Burning or sinking it is better than allowing it to continue to be infested and spread the infestation.

nrringlee

It appears to be that way.

MICHAELANGELO

Any member that wants to see the NRA destroyed is a TRAITOR!! Please LEAVE NOW!!

JSNMGC

I think Ammoland should start charging for exclamation marks and capital letters not required by grammar rules. They could donate the money to politicians who commit to fighting never-ending gun control.

Wild Bill

Well doggies, look who turned into a grammar Nazi. I remember when you did not even know what sic was, yet, we let a lot of your non-thesis level writing slide.

JSNMGC

No you don’t.

Stag

That guy is delusional.

Russn8r

Any shill who wants to shove billions of pro-gun dollars into corrupt pockets is a traitor (YOU)

RetVetArk

As long as the current corrupt leadership is tolerated, I won’t
even round up on midway purchases.

nrringlee

No person is indispensable to any major corporation. NRA is no different.

MICHAELANGELO

Tell that to the Biden administration and his outrageous spending on illegal immigrants

musicman44mag

I never donate in any store for anything. The reason why is because they say, Midway, McDonalds etc. donated 100 million dollars to such and such this year. The real answer is the people that support these groups donated X amount this year, but the corporation is going to get the benefit of the tax deduction, not you.

MICHAELANGELO

That’s fine. I would be licking my chops if I was Bloomberg!!

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Russn8r

Instead you’re licking NRA’s ass.

Carl up North

I want the NRA to survive but without Wayne and his henchmen/women. I will not monetarily donate while he’s still there. I do support SAF, GOA and FPC.

Endowment Member

Darkman

Don’t forget about local and state organizations. In my state they have done more to secure 2nd amendment Rights than the national organizations. Because they look the politicians directly in the eye when speaking about the Rights they support. As well as with their votes. We just had our 34 county become a Sanctuary county by a unanimous vote of the Board of Supervisors. With more votes coming up. Our state has gone from being 1 of the most restrictive to 1 of the least restrictive states on the 2nd A. Yes it has been a long hard battle and… Read more »

JR

Yes, GOA’s state affiliate reached out to me and then back to my state’s legislature to finally push Permitless Carry over the goal line. Also, since my state is a bit more free than others, I’m giving some of what would’ve been NRA donations to other states’ orgs (e.g. CNJFO, Maryland Shall Issue) The long-game is in play, and some battles will be lost, and I keep in mind that even repealing the 1934 NFA might not happen in my lifetime. But it’s a fight for freedom, and getting back what was negotiated away worth some sweat and tears (hopefully… Read more »

MICHAELANGELO

OK. We all have a choice to make.

BenV

The NRA needs to get back to basics.
Get rid of stupid things like its wine club and cigar club. Cut back on selling products with the NRA logo. Cut back on ‘freebies’ when you join and renew.
Focus on gun rights, gun training and gun safety.

Ltbdb

Amen! 90% of the mail from the NRA is junk mail and goes in the garbage with the rest of the junk.

musicman44mag

and think of how much money is wasted on all that advertising that could be used to fight the enemy of constitutional rights.

masterlifter

Those things are pretty darn stupid….most people who send in membership money to “Gun Rights” groups are laser focused on combating anti-2a efforts, not friggin’ cigars or a “Wine Club”(Think Gavin Newsome here). Tell me about grassroots issues and give me an easy way to contact my legislators. It would be very helpful to clean up the NRA Swamp so those legislators don’t dismiss those missives as coming from a corrupt org.

Russn8r

“Strategic missteps”? Is that the new euphemism for corruption? You are such a clown.

Charlie Foxtrot

Given Harold’s recent article, titled “Why It Is Time For LaPierre To Leave the NRA” and this one, shall we expect a coup at the NRA by some of the old guard against LaPierre to save their own ass? Maybe some of the newer Board members that want a piece of the pie? The NRA is, at this point, a practically defunct organization that is kept alive by people willing to throw their money out of the window. The past and ongoing mismanagement and corruption at the NRA is nothing that should be defended by any gun owner. The NRA… Read more »

BadBilly21

I couldn’t disagree more!!

RUKiddingMe

I don’t disagree that we need the NRA. A strong, healthy and focused NRA.

Many with negative feelings about the NRA are typically speaking out against the current leadership and not the organization itself.
The NRA would do well to consider new leadership with more fiscal responsibility.

MICHAELANGELO

I agree. However, if new leadership is not possible right now, don’t you think it would be wise to work with the leadership that we have?