Alec Baldwin: Just About Everyone is to Blame in Fatal ‘Rust’ Shooting But Himself

U.S.A. – -(Ammoland.com)- “In an arbitration demand against his fellow producers on the film, [Alec Baldwin] denied culpability in the killing of a cinematographer and said he should not be held financially responsible,” The New York Times reports. “[He] gave his most detailed account yet of fatally shooting a cinematographer on the set of the film Rust last year in an arbitration demand that his lawyers filed Friday against his fellow producers, claiming that his contract protected him from financial responsibility in her death and seeking coverage of his legal fees.”

“[H]e was not responsible for her death, since he had been assured that the gun did not contain any live ammunition and because he was not responsible for checking the ammunition or for firearm safety on the set,” the filing elaborates. And he was acting under the direction of shooting victim Halyna Hutchins, who “told Mr. Baldwin how to position the gun.”

“Mr. Baldwin then asked Ms. Hutchins if she wanted him to pull back the hammer, as the script instructed, and she said yes. Baldwin then pulled back the hammer, but not far enough to actually cock the gun. When Baldwin let go of the hammer, the gun went off.”

That old excuse… Guns don’t just “go off” without someone handling them.

“In the filing, Baldwin’s lawyer … says a clause … in his contract with Rust Movie Productions L.L.C. means he bears no financial responsibility for legal fees or claims arising out of the death.”

Perhaps, perhaps not. But private contracts are not binding on prosecutors finding cause for criminal charges.

“Alec Baldwin interview only reinforces Hutchins’ death as involuntary manslaughter,” attorney Andrew Branca concludes. “[ABC’s George Stephanopoulos] interview did nothing to change my legal opinion.  Indeed, not only am I more convinced today than when I wrote my previous analysis that Alec Baldwin’s conduct qualifies as felony involuntary manslaughter under New Mexico law, his interview ‘testimony’ only strengthened that view. In other words, Alec Baldwin violated the first rule of finding that you’ve dug yourself into a hole—stop digging.”

That’s consistent with advice given in an instructive lecture that is now several years old but still extremely relevant, to all and especially to gun owners, by law professor James Duane, titled “Don’t Talk to the Police.” That’s because they will use not just what you say to them, but any public statements in building a case. And Baldwin, seemingly manic and obsessed to get the public to take his side and agree he’s the one getting the raw deal here, hasn’t shut up about trying to justify himself.

It’s the other producers’ fault. It’s the director’s fault. It’s the prop  master’s/armorer’s fault. It’s the gun’s fault. Why does a Bart Simpson line come to mind?

Yeah, others share in the negligence, but the guy ultimately at fault is not persuading too many people or winning any friends trying to absolve himself, no matter who he has to climb over:

“‘Shameful’: Alec Baldwin blames Halyna Hutchins’ husband for ‘Rust’ not being finished after her death”

It is true that the gun Baldwin was using could have fired by releasing the hammer, The Reload notes if the model he used didn’t have a transfer bar. That’s something police investigators surely knew early on. It’s also true that (even though “Baldwin’s stunt-double accidentally fired two rounds … after being told that the gun was ‘cold’”) “an actor cannot rule that a gun is safe.”

“Rule” on it, no. Determine for himself, damn straight that’s his responsibility.

You can hand me a gun and assure me it’s not loaded. If I don’t validate that for myself, that’s my negligence. Baldwin has been using guns in films for decades. To argue he doesn’t know the fundamental rule of gun safety is absurd on its face.  And there’s one other key question I haven’t seen asked anywhere but AmmoLand, the answer to which would be both relevant and instructive:

“Despite his very public anti-gun sentiments, one would think authorities will look into if Baldwin is a gun owner, for how long, and if he has been a concealed carry permit holder.”

It would be ironic, indeed if, after all those years railing for authorities to infringe on the rights of his countrymen, attorney Branca’s assessment of felony manslaughter bears out and Baldwin ends up a “prohibited person.”


As noted above, the “Don’t Talk to the police” video imparts essential information every gun owner needs to know about. If you don’t have time to watch it now, set aside time later when you can come back and do so.  And tell a friend.


About David Codrea:

David Codrea is the winner of multiple journalist awards for investigating/defending the RKBA and a long-time gun owner rights advocate who defiantly challenges the folly of citizen disarmament. He blogs at “The War on Guns: Notes from the Resistance,” is a regularly featured contributor to Firearms News, and posts on Twitter: @dcodrea and Facebook.

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Mac

Baldwin is a complete and total POS!

john

You can have a gun in battery (a round in the chamber) and it is neither cocked nor locked.Traditionally, a round in the breach is “in battery” When has gun gone “into battery” it means the action has closed and locked properly in place for firing. A single action revolver is ready to fire when the hammer is fully pulled back. Most single action revolvers do not have safeties before the transfer bar of today’s revolvers which block the firing pin six guns like the colt were carried on a empty chamber to avoid accidental discharges. Gunsmiths today can alter… Read more »

john
  • A single-action handgun manual cocking allows a shorter, lighter trigger pull that is an aid to accuracy; but an accidental light touch of the trigger will usually fire a cocked single-action gun if the safety is off.
Wild Bill

Respectfully, a single action pistol the hammer has to come all the way back to lock in place, to use the trigger.
A double action pistol firing in single action mode, the hammer has to come all the way back to allow a shorter, lighter trigger pull that aids accuracy.
A light touch on single action or double action that is fully cocked will fire either of them.
If either are fully cocked, then what safety?

john

The trigger has to fall all the way back to the locked position to fire I agree that is not battery as described in the question I might have went to far with a explanation. With a 1911 the hammer can be fully cocked safety on a Beretta has a decocking lever that also can engage as a safety which also has a plate that will never allow the hammer to contact the fire pin when decocked. So there is no right or wrong each firearm has options and should be understood before handling. Some folks still think that fanning… Read more »

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Wild Bill

Yes, the late Bob Munden made a race gun for me. Mr. Munden and I had several telephone conferences, he was always polite and had terrific explanations, and gave me a lower price because I was in the Army at the time.

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john

As a boy I used to get to go to westpoint for the Pistol matches with the family gun club tables full of gunsmiths tricking out guns. Custom work to me starts with the trigger than sites a hole crap load of money worth every penny. Funny I have shot with some local police up in NY 11lb triggers at 7 feet it was almost scary how bad most shot. Today there are some good firearms off the rack most all of them are good enough for hunting and self defence. Rock Island Armscor makes a 22 mag 1911 blowback… Read more »

john

I should say most single action revolvers do not have safety

Bill

Does anyone know what happens when a typical revolver has the hammer pulled back, but not enough to cock it? In my experience, this puts the gun out of battery, unable to fire. Are there exceptions to this, or is Alec simply lying?

Deplorable Bill

Yes, this is called “slip” firing. I have done this and tested it on several revolvers including Colts and Rugers. As long as the hammer is pulled back enough to line up the cylinder with the barrel IT WILL SHOOT. I had an A D just like it, that’s how I learned. If you have a revolver you can test this and see for yourself that it works. What I have said might not be popular but it is true.

Arm up and carry on

musicman44mag

Thanks Dave for keeping this alive. I still say they want it to die out from public view and thought so they can shove it under the rug and let him skate. Jesse the racist smollet just set up the future reason why he can’t be locked up right now and like I said, as time goes on, it will eventually be, *at this point, what difference does it make*

swmft

there is another big shoot someone without any consequences dick Cheney, did not kill the guy but he should have at least had his peepee branded . cant arrest vp for shooting someone hot tar and yellow feathers no jail
this multi tiered “justice” needs to stop

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Oldvet

Just watch he will walk just like smullet .

swmft

scum ponds together

john

Hollywood they protect their own
Smollett liberal , gay , black , misunderstood , lying to the police commits perjury in court does not pay the restitution to the court walks out of jail.

Smollett he is perfect poster child for tried and released

Bubba

It’s very simple. If you are anti gun and propose stiffer gun laws then you are a traitor to the constitution. (Hanged on site is my wish) That said. If you are anti gun in anyway you should be precluded from earning a living with firearms in your movies. 100% gun free films for Alec Baldwin, Sylvester Stallone, Danielle Craig, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Susan Sarandon, Julia Roberts, the list goes on and on. Let the real actors like Keanu Reeves make those films. Bottom line if you make a movie with guns in it and you talk shit about guns, You… Read more »

Bubba

Oh yeah and one of the biggest pieces of shit Robert Dinero.

Oldvet

Again I will say Ban them from using anything that even looks like a gun . Just like they would like to do to the real world .

Wass

Since I agree with all the commenters as to this horrible injustice, let me add something helpful. There needs to be federal legislation mandating all theatrical productions and cinematic sets utilize only prop guns which are designed only to fire specialized blank cartridges. There are indeed such prop guns, in fact, some purveyors of them advertise in gun publications. These prop guns have the additional advantage of not being recognized as firearms by ATF&A, thus making them readily available. To the best of my knowledge, these prop guns are only dangerous if one should fire it directly against someone’s head… Read more »

Big George

Years ago, a good friend who was also a L.A. Deputy Sheriff and I toured Stembridge Arms in Hollywood where I met the owner, Sid Stembridge; Wikipedia~Stembridge Gun Rentals | the Stembridge Family website. At that time, they provided a majority of weapons to the movie/TV industry. The safety precautions they did ‘on set’ was BEYOND impressive, let alone the modifications to the weapons themselves. All weapons, especially handguns, had the barrels filled with lead. Small holes were drilled in the semi-autos just big enough to allow gas pressure for the gun to cycle (like an AR) and appear realistic… Read more »

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Wass

Precisely! A true prop gun cannot fire ballistic, live bullets. My suggestion would prohibit actual firearms from all dramatic and cinematic productions. This is really easy. There are prop guns which simulate many, if not, most firearms. Real guns using blank cartridges must be relegated to the past.

JSNMGC

More laws!! More enforcers!! More taxes on the “rich” to pay for more government employees!! What could go wrong?
 
It’s unfortunate the public schools were so bad in the 50s and 60s.

Wass

The public schools bad in the ’50s? I recall very well, P.S.177, Lower East side of Manhattan, third grade, Mrs. Cook: “If you don’t want to do the time, don’t do the crime”. Teachers talked about the electric chair too.

JSNMGC

Yes.

They didn’t teach the students the dangers of an ever-growning government and more and more laws (including firearm control laws).

Many decades later, the students still want more “common sense” firearm laws (like prohibiting firearms in dramatic and cinematic productions).

MikeRoss

Of course he fired the gun, everybody knows this except Alec Baldwin. Or maybe he does, and is lying and not delusional.

swmft

just pulled the trigger back two stage lock if he did not have trigger fully back catch would have kept it from firing

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3l120

The prosecutor has said they were able to get the pistol to fire without pulling the trigger. Sounds like a setup to drop charges against AB. However, just like OJ, a civil suit could see him deep in debt.

Oldvet

He still should have checked the gun himself .

Wild Bill

Yes, trying to substitute Hollywood procedures for real world SOP is a no go.

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Wild Bill

Good to know. Yeah, sounds like libtards wanting to shift blame from the user to the object.

swmft

did they do like the atf and file the catch so it did not work

Rebel VA

Yup, didn’t check gun, cocked, pointed at person and pulled trigger and “blammo”! Broke every safety rule in the book and then some. May not have intentional but his fault anyway. Beyond stupid!

Wild Bill

Yep, sounds like manslaughter.

Big George

And if this excuse doesn’t work, Baldwin will follow Biden’s lead and blame Putin!

Rock

Typical Hollywood DEMOCRAT, self centered liar.

Wild Bill

He had to hire a school trained professional for that.

swmft

any normal person would already be in jail, he is being treated like ruling class and this needs to stop, there is more than enough to convict him

Cooter

He reminds me of a politician trying to lie his way out of a murder charge lock his lying a$$ up and throw away the keys

Mystic Wolf

He should have been locked up months ago, if this had been any other person they not only would be locked up but they would already have been convinced of 1st degree murder and sentenced to a death penalty.

swmft

give him the gun load it with three and he has a 50/50 chance trial by fire
bet he would take life in jail alec ballless

Last edited 2 months ago by swmft
DDS

Misquoting Shakespeare:

“The lad doth protest too much, methinks.”

Bakerc7

How do you make a gunfight movie without violating “live fire” safety rules?? I do believe actors should be required to have gun safety knowledge. The status of a firearm in my hand, is assumed to be live loaded until I confirm it. A friend once told me he had some movie set gun experience. He said most stars don’t know shite from shinola about guns. That guns were tied/glued into holsters. Think about all those holsters at knee level in old westerns. He also told me that 1873 colts might have triggers wired back, or hammer notches filed off… Read more »

Mystic Wolf

The thing is just a few hours before the same pistol was being used for some target practice, yeah baldwin can just keep crying about how he is so innocent and all but really, all he is, is a self-centered egotistical narcissistic delusional person that needs to get some sense bashed into that airhead of his.

Oldvet

or lopped off .

usaimages

Too bad he wasn’t pointing the gun at his own head.

swmft

there is nothing in his head bullet would have given him a brain of somekind

Bubba

I would pay big money to see that film.

johnsguns

guilty

gregs

“[H]e was not responsible for her death, since he had been assured that the gun did not contain any live ammunition and because he was not responsible for checking the ammunition or for firearm safety on the set,” even my 6 year old grandson knows you don’t point a firearm at another person unless you are in danger and are going to shoot them. leftists gonna do what leftists do, blame someone else or something else for what they do. the gun went off.” those damn inanimate objects just keep doing what they want. no, no, i’m not irresponsible, but… Read more »

swmft

car jumped in gear, tree just fell on them , put him in a padded cell no windows

Wild Bill

Your six year old grandson is smarter and better educated than Baldwin.

Laddyboy

Gun in HIS hand. Gun went BANG! Gun checked by knowledgeable gun experts. Gun found NOT FLAWED! HE IS GUILTY OF MURDER!!

Wild Bill

Well, murder is not quite that simple. Murder requires a guilty act (actus reus) combined with a guilty mind (mens rea).
But you have your finger on the pulse. Manslaughter, a malum prohibitum crime, generally and governed by the statutes of each individual state does not require the guilty mind element.

swmft

and all the stupid excuses he has made (can you believe how stupid he is talking about this?) should have him in a cell for negligent homicide ,at the beginning of this someone posted possible charges based on state statute, and still looks the same there is more than enough to arrest him with his mouth they may get to up the charges

Bubba

They should add 1 year in a max prison for each time he opens his mouth.
And yes it would be ironic to find out if he owns and firearms.

Mystic Wolf

The day before baldwin had an argument with the same person he shot, this is on record as several others were also there. The baldwin not only had a reason but cause.

Tank

Isn’t that what Bohemian EL-ist’s/Shillebrities/ Libtards/Progressive Barking Moonbat Karen’s ALWAYS do by not accepting personal responsibility their actions ? Don’t they’re mindset ideology always create a bureaucracy (a system of government in which most of the important decisions are made by state officials rather than by elected representatives) thereby creating a bigger Federal gubMINT that over legislates & pass more onerous laws incrementally restraining the other’s rights. It’s also noted Alec Baldwin has not only a narcissistic ego problem but a colored & varied history of violence including domestic. Rules for thee but not for me. Actors have always been… Read more »

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swmft

the state needs to get up and jail the negligent idiot , and move on , if comi movie people think they should not be held accountable for their actions give them notice

Wass

New Mexico apparently has a different penal code for different people.

Oldvet

Don’t forget he fled the state and hasn’t been back .

swmft

comifornia likely wont extradite him so there he will hide

john

The gun was in his hand his finger was on the trigger Alec Baldwin is the only person at fault. Ignorance is no excuse. He is a troubled angry man. The author is correct Thank you

GomeznSA

John – yep – as I have stated numerous times on other blogs – the weasel was holding the gun and pointing it at human beings when it ‘went off’. That is FACT – he can try to slime his way out of responsibility all he wants but Halyna is STILL dead because he violated ALL of the basic rules of gun safety. Period.

musicman44mag

Hi David. Just a reminder that I am still saying he is privileged and is going to skate and I am tracking to see what happens. The movie union will support and protect him to no end to see that he doesn’t do jail time. He might have to do the class and pay a fine and I think that is the worst that will happen to him. Do you know if the law that the legislator was trying to get passed that the movie actors have to take a class in order to handle a gun on a set… Read more »

Laddyboy

He IS NOT PRIVILEGED! HE SHOT and MURDERED the woman!

Wild Bill

Is the county prosecutor in N. Mex. charging Baldwin?

StageArmamentSolutions

That’s what I’m waiting for. And waiting….. and waiting…..

Mystic Wolf

Because the baldwin is of course rich you can bet that even though he shot the woman you nothing will be done to him, actors almost always get off.

swmft

they are waiting till it gets out of the news and people forget, so they can have a judge do a not guilty with no witnesses criminal government actions

StageArmamentSolutions

NM 2022 SB0188 has not gone through process yet. As of January 31, 2022 it is committee.

Here is the text of the proposed bill:

https://www.nmlegis.gov/Sessions/22%20Regular/bills/senate/SB0188.pdf

swmft

codrea , A safety class my not be a bad requirement, not just guns.but inclusive of them. Cover local dangerous animals and plants, things that should have been taught in grade school;,that these people must have been sick on that day or failed the class