UPS Threatens to Cancel Service for Most of the Gun Industry

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ATLANTA, GA -(Ammoland.com)- UPS has stepped up its anti-gun campaign by requiring online sellers to ship an average of 50 handguns daily to use its 2nd Day Air service.

Sellers who do not ship at least 350 handguns a week risk losing their shipping accounts. Under the new agreement, UPS is only required to give customers a ten-day notice before cutting them off from the shipping service. The volume necessary means that most online retailers and manufacturers are now cut off from shipping guns through the carrier unless the handgun is shipped using the expensive Next Day Air service.

The notice was sent to UPS customers that deal in firearms. UPS has been under pressure from anti-gun groups and politicians to stop doing business with the gun industry. This new move appears to be a way that UPS can cut ties to most of the industry without jeopardizing its major accounts.

The letter also references updating its policies to be in line with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) and state regulations. This reference most likely refers to new rules surrounding privately manufactured firearms (PMF). But UPS goes much further than required by law.

UPS has been at the center of controversy recently when it canceled the account of a seller of 80% lowers. The shipping giant notified Ghost Firearms of Florida that it would stop shipping from the company. It also told the online retailer that it would “seize and destroy” packages currently en route to customers leaving Ghost Firearms scrambling for options. At the time, Ghost Firearms had more than $30,000 in products that were endangered of being destroyed.

A month later, under pressure from the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, FedEx followed suit and stopped shipping unfinished frames and receivers. When one company bends a knee to a special interest group, the other is usually quick to follow suit.

Recently Giffords sent a letter to FedEx and UPS asking the companies to adopt “a policy of refusing to ship dangerous firearm products that are fueling the epidemic of gun violence in America.”

Some firearms advocates see this as backdoor gun control. Many gun owners buy firearms online because of the cost savings. The buyer still must pick up their ordered firearms from a federal firearms licensee (FFL) and be submitted through the same background check system as any other customer.

By requiring smaller dealers to use Next Day Air service, the cost savings disappear. Add in the cost FFLs charge for transfers, and buying a gun from a smaller online retailer will become prohibitively expensive. This change will hurt all but the most prominent online retailers.

The change will hurt small manufacturers as well. A manufacturer will have to ship 18,250 handguns a year or will be cut off from UPS 2nd Day Air Service. This number is more than the total number of guns produced by most companies.

UPS, which receives $252,016,057 in state/local and federal subsidies annually, is attacking an industry that helps Americans exercise the Constitutionally protected right to bear arms. This is not lost on Erich Pratt, Senior Vice President of Gun Owners of America.

“This is another example of the woke cancel culture coming from the anti-gun crowd,” Pratt told AmmoLand News. “The Second Amendment protects the right to keep and bear arms, and by default, that should include the right of gun makers to ship their firearms to market. If UPS is going to act like an enemy of our Constitutional rights, then they shouldn’t receive a dime of federal taxpayers’ money.”

AmmoLand News reached out to UPS for comment, but our calls were not returned.


About John Crump

John is a NRA instructor and a constitutional activist. John has written about firearms, interviewed people of all walks of life, and on the Constitution. John lives in Northern Virginia with his wife and sons and can be followed on Twitter at @crumpyss, or at www.crumpy.com.

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Oldvet

So fedex follows ups lead . Yes ups needs to be defunded and likewise anything fedex receives .

swmft

take the subsidies and start paying debt off

Gdubb

Funny how the brainless left is totally fine with discrimination as long as it fits their narrative. But if a Christian baker doesn’t want to bake a gay wedding cake, they lose their collective shit. That discrimination can’t stand! UPS trucks look like turds anyway

buzzsaw

Don’t forget that FFLs can use the US Mail to send guns to other FFLs.

Oldvet

buzzsaw … That still involves a 4473

Tank

Corporate Fascism on continual public dis-lay. Rigged elections, rigged media, rigged Anti-Gun corporations that completely disregard US Constitution or rights to commerce. Just more proof of how bad it WOULD be w/o guns. Make no mistake this is the Government our parents, ancestors & founding father’s fought.

It quacks like a Duck, swims like a Duck, walks like a Duck, dives like a Duck, flys like a Duck but, apparently it’s a non-binary Pink Flamingo with Rainbow Unicorn plumage.

Clown World

Oldvet

Tank … You forgot one thing that just like ducks they are good at s#!ting on everything

DDS

We used to compare some supervisors to seagulls. Fly in, make a lot of noise, shit all over everything, fly out.

Wild Bill

Ahh, analog logic!!

Oldvet

DDS… Heard that too .

Montana454Casull

It’s not pink, it’s a brown skidmark and if it looks like shit and smells like shit . It’s most likely shit .

Wild Bill

I thought you said it was that Masonic group.

musicman44mag

Time to start a new company that ships guns and call it Republican Shipping. I have suggested that we start all new businesses in the name of Republican so it is easier for us to support ourselves and not spend a dam dime on anything that a demonratt makes or sells.

Ope

Music, sounds like a pretty good plan to me.

Oldvet

mm44… Excellent Idea as I read where fedex is following suit .

musicman44mag

I’m tired of all the woke B.S. We need to do something and if the rich republicans would do it, it could work. Elon is not a republican that I know of, but I was really excited when he said he was going to buy twitter. I felt like that was the beginning of what I was wishing for along with President Trumps new web site.

God save the republic.

Suibhnemeister

Fed ex is worse

Bubba

I would shop at MAGAMart, MAGASCO (MAGA Shipping Company), You could use your Maga CC to pay for it. (Not Coign Card – that’s a click bait scam)
Where do we sign up? I would come out of retirement to work for a place like this.

musicman44mag

I love your idea better. MAGAMART sounds cool but then maybe the republicans that obiden loves so much might not shop there.

Ansel Hazen

Big whoop. I bet the air in a store like that would be refreshing.

musicman44mag

I’m sure the customers would be too.

Suibhnemeister

Facist

Mudhunter

Need to do like Texas did with banks. Can’t do business with the State of Texas if you are anti-Second Amendment. This almost seems like racketeering or extortion with the veneer of “doing good”. Might want to contact our state AGs to see what they can do about it. UPS gonna feel silly once ATF is spanked real good or abolished, and NFA 34 and GCA 68 are ruled unconstitutional, as well as parts of GOPA 86. If they are just “complying” with the law, then the only law left will be Shall Not Be Infringed. Will they then offer… Read more »

Wild Bill

While I agree with you, I don’t think that the “Woke” crown will feel silly because they are walking around in a dream world.

Wild Bill

Should be crowd not crown. Sorry.

Oldvet

Now would be a good time with election coming up and AG’s would be a good place to start .

Ledesma

Are the companies that take these symbolic actions leftist themselves? Or are they simply a collection of leftist bootlickers???

swmft

that is a good and valid question, are there just stupid people making the decision

nrringlee

As for the rest of us, Boycott UPS. That is the simple answer. Disney is bleeding now because they tried to impose the Rainbow Jihad on Middle America. UPS can suffer the same fate. Conservatives and liberty lovers of all tribes need to learn to play rough, learn to reverse the tactical scenario on the adversaries of liberty. When you boycott banks, shippers, theme parks and other commercial enterprises it hurts their pocketbooks. Dick’s Sporting Goods has suffered when they declared war on Modern Sporting Rifles. Bed, Bath and Beyond declared war on Mike Lindell and they are imploding. Their… Read more »

nrringlee

In the long game, yes. In the short game, and we as consumers are the warriors of the short game we simply boycott and vilify UPS. Make it hurt.

totbs

Absolutely! If I have a choice to select the carrier, it’s anybody but UPS.

Ansel Hazen

CFO Gustaval Arnal

RoyceChurche

Don’t forget that the rest of us can also pressure our state and local governments to prohibit the use of UPS by our government agencies. I could easily imagine states like FL and TX cutting off all funding to UPS if this behavior persists.

Montana454Casull

I have always said the brown turds at UPS are a skidmark on the underware of life in America . Please ship with a better shipper and skip the skidmarks.

Arizona

Why the hell is ups getting $1 in subsidies? Much less $252 million?

Fine, if they want to attempt to impede the Constitutional right to bear arms, they likewise chose to lose all future business of mine, and every gun owner for ALL their needs.

Buckshot

I don’t know this for a fact but it could have something to do with UPS using the postal service to final deliver some of their packages . It’s what they call UPS Smart Post.

Ansel Hazen

I think you are right but why is UPS getting the subsidy when USPS is doing the delivering?

Oldvet

Arizona…If memory serves , I think ups was started with government help to handle “packages” because USPS couldn’t handle the load . There has been a lot of water under the bridge and memory is not what it used to be .

Ansel Hazen

Wow, just imagine what 252 million buckaroo’s would do for a struggling USPS.

The other Jim

Sounds like some legal analysis needs to be done for a Class Action. Are all the UPS and Federal Express Customers subject to this “new “standard? Ship at least 5O Abortion Kits a day to use 2nd Day Air Service? If Abortion Kit/Supplier/Customers who do not ship at least 350 Abortion Kits per week at risk of loosing their Shipping Accounts too? Or lets go further; car accidents kill people. Parts Suppliers for cars are subject to the same standards? UPS Customer/Car Parts Suppliers who ship less then 50 car parts a day can not use 2nd Day Air Service… Read more »

Wild Bill

I agree that more legal and political analysis needs to be done.

The other Jim

Yes, exactly. Haven’t heard any thing about a suit yet but this is going to put much more expense on many small firearms shops. As John Crump notes the cost savings then sales are lost if Next Day Air is required of them by UPS. The Left also put the fear into the Executive Sheep at Visa, Mastercard and Amex. In addition to the 4 digit code made at Firearm Shops and Sporting Goods Stores, they agreed to also classify the purchase with a new code “Suspicious Purchase” or “Suspicious Purchaser”. They will record these sales in a file forever… Read more »

Oldvet

Jim … Looks like another RED FLAG and I see you guys heard about this before I did .

Roverray

How is this legal? It’s discriminatory and a lawsuit would put United Piles of Shit out of business.

Wild Bill

Yes, it is discriminatory towards a group of people. However, there are only a few bases for discrimination that are precluded by American law (e.g. race, gender, country of origin.)
If we are to sue United Piles of Shit, we must find a different cause of action.

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Bob

There is the 14th amendment Equal Protection Clause”. UPS could be sued and lose their $252 million in federal/state subsidies.

swmft

not could…should be sued

Wild Bill

Well, that applies to stoping government, if an underlying Right is involved. We would have to show that UPS is acting as an agent of the government and point to an underlying Right.
But I like your thinking. There maybe another way to deprive UPS of their federal/state subsidies.

Ansel Hazen

These supposedly “woke” companies cave so easily.
Melting the phone lines of a few strategic customers ought to get their attention. They do this stuff hoping it flies under the radar.

ROCK6

It’s going to be hard to prove the government has coerced private companies into violating citizens’ rights, but I do think that a MAGA congress could pass a bill that ceases all tax-payer subsidies to companies that are hostile to the Constitution. That said, relying on Congress is a pipe dream, so a parallel economy is likely the best strategy…and it’s happing with Dan Bongino’s efforts and the Public Square App…

Wild Bill

True, a lot will depend on the next two elections.

Wild Bill

I think that it started out that way. Now, the elites want the entire population to be more controllable. The money people hate the idea that a wild card could cancel them and their monetary empire. Just my thoughts.

Oldvet

Ledesma… $252,016,057 federal dollars carries a lot of influence !

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TX Kinz

It would seem like this is grounds for a class action lawsuit. If UPS isn’t placing these same restrictions on other retailers that would be like easy pickings for a good lawyer.

ROCK6

I would also contend (and pressure congress) that getting over 200 million in government/tax-paid subsidies puts them in the crosshairs of serving as the government proxy and infringing on citizens’ 2A rights. Private companies cannot legally do the government’s bidding just so the government can avoid violating the Constitution. They need to be sued and all subsidies cut…

Rich

Dear UPS,
Get Woke, Go Broke.

totbs

I just sent an email to Midway USA and expressed my dismay at their use of UPS on my order that arrived yeasterday. I also told them any future orders from them that arrive UPS will be promptly returned. If UPS’s business shows a big enough downturn, perhaps FEDEX will take another look if they’re considering the same.

Suibhnemeister

Fed ex looses all my ammo, then say it was delivered, but not to me

loveaduck

Did the same to me but “found” it several days later “on a shelf”.

RAS

With 10’s of millions of gun owners, just $5 apiece could make for a serious 14th Amendment class action lawsuit. Even if won, the long game would be to replace them with a freedom friendly shipper. Sounds like another great opportunity for entrepreneurs.

totbs

Why are any firearms suppliers, even if their only product is rifle slings, shipping anything with UPS? I just had an order from Midway USA delivered yesterday. One guess who the shipper was. SMH

Oldvet

OK Let me ask a question: Why are we asleep at the switch ? What has been the biggest weapon used in America for Years ? ALL gun control from it’s very ROOTS is RACIST ! Look at all of the Jim Crow laws . Back at the time of the civil war both directions forward and back Gun control was aimed at the American Indian and the slaves or anyone of any color ! Why aren’t we attacking gun control as being racist? Racism has been one of if not the biggest tool of the democratic party even back… Read more »

musicman44mag

Your absolutely right and in OreGONE they are trying to pass laws this year that would make it too expensive for permits and training for most people to afford and too hard for the working man to comply with the training requirement that is provided by law enforcement only at an approved law enforcement range which would probably only happen on weekdays and the state is not providing any money to law enforcement do the job with. So, I guess the local law enforcement can say we can’t afford it and just not provide it. Nothing in the new bill… Read more »

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Oldvet

mm44… Think they would pass a law that required criminals to obey the law!

Wild Bill

Hah, I’m thinking that would help!!

Oldvet

WB… Maybe we should start posing that question to our reps , see what kind of rhetoric they come up with .

Wild Bill

Good idea!

totbs

I have no doubts that if the “gun control is racist” idea came to the forefront, only minorities could own firearms and whites would be banned from owning firearms as affirmative action for past racism. It would be perfect timing right now too, just before elections. In true fashion, the dems always want to punish the uninvolved for their transgressions, so everybody looks complicit. Kind of like banks floating the notion that they’re going to do no interest, no document mortgages in poor and depressed areas of cities. Not admitted to, but aimed as another attempt at affirmative action, where… Read more »

Oldvet

totbs… The real target of all their hate and distain is the … WHITE MAN !!!

WeWereWarned

Gun control is to protect the government, that is its roots. A socialist enforcer can shoot us for exercising our right of being armed and conservatives blame the armed Citizen, and you are trying to blame the opposite faction for gun control. You are the useful idiot threat to Liberty, that the Founders feared. President Washington warned of your kind of wanton character, who places party faction over nation. Do you support an amnesty for the illegal invaders older folks have allowed, that will forever lower our quality of life, like legal immigration has already? If your answer is no,… Read more »

Wild Bill

You have him all wrong.

musicman44mag

Its the same diatribe he used on me. He made a statement that where he lives up north they don’t have any black or brown people or gangs because they won’t tolerate it but he never has the balls to say where that is when asked by me multiple times.

He blames older republicans for the mess with guns that we have today endlessly. It’s all the Baby Boomer republican’s fault in his perspective.

Take care.

Oldvet

WWWor is it KKK ? You are so full of shit your eyes are brown !

mgkdrgn

In my 17 years as an on-line sales FFL (consignment), I never shipped a handgun UPS. USPS flat rate boxes is the way to go, and WAY cheaper. Long guns I used FedEx ground.

Green Mtn. Boy

If it’s brown,flush it.

Arny

So will the larger companies stick up for the smaller ones affected by these shipping companies ? I doubt it. For it only benefits them. So possibly we should think about that the next time we order something ?

3l120

I have used UPS for years, shipping arms and ammo, without any problems. Went in 2 weeks ago and was told they no longer take firearms at the counter, however, they will ship ammo. Went to the post office and it ended up costing $91 to ship an 03, insured. Via UPS it had been $40. Was going to sell a bunch of firearms, now gonna have to ask more.

Wild Bill

The economic squeeze out … tool tool of the “woke” culture.

Oldvet

DO you think that is an actual photo ? Do you suppose that could be a beginning ?

Joe in Missouri

We need to make UPS pay a price for this evil that is, designed in the end to enslave us by denying us the right to defend our families!
~MFP

http://missourifreepress.com/2022/09/02/breaking-news-and-thoughts-september-october-2022/

james

Tired of these anti gun members of Congress as well as those Governors who direct their pension funds to divest in the firearms companies.

Everyone needs to buy one share of UPS and FedEx stock, flood them with shareholder proposals.

Russn8r

Good idea. Some corps require a min number of shares for a shareholder to submit a ballot proposal for the annual meet. I was involved in one that required 10; a newspaper corp, in the 1990s. Didn’t pass, but it costs them $; gun lies & bias vs shareholder interest got discussed; and they didn’t like it. That was before so many papers went poof. Now even CNN’s purging a bit to get some biz back. Proposals could say UPS & FedEx risk lawsuits, even prosecution, harming shareholders.

PistolGrip44

Fake news.

Vinnie

Someone please explain to me why the F UPS is getting nearly $300 million tax dollars in subsidies? They are a private for profit business.

Wild Bill

UPS has good lobbyists.

musicman44mag

Someone, I apologize for not remembering who, sent me the name of a site that sells shotgun 12 guage 3inch magnum DRONE rounds. I looked them up and saved the link. For the life of me, I can’t find the link now. I tried searching the web and found Remington but they are not it. Whoever you were, please tell me the name again. If anyone has any suggestions please send a name of the company or a link that I can check out. Thanks. I should have bought them but I didn’t want the food before I bought the… Read more »

Oldvet

mm44… Think Wild Bill told you about them . I have seen them only in email type adds . Try CHKADELS maybe .

Wild Bill

Yes, CHKADELS. Skyhnet anti-drone rounds, but I can see using them on fleeing felons, too!

Oldvet

WB… They do love to send catalogues and emails they are part of BUDK who specialize in all kinds of blades .

Wild Bill

Yes, lots of interesting things. How was your weekend?

Oldvet

WB… Spent today at the range , nuf said ? 75-80 degrees

musicman44mag

Thank you. Those look like the ones, I remember they were white but the place I was told to go offered I think 100 of them in a box for about 250.00.

Wild Bill

My pleasure, but I can not remember the price.

Oldvet

mm44… That sounds like a better place and better price than anything I saw .

Henry Bowman

Patriots need to form a parallel economy. We need people with an entrepreneurial spirit to ‘smuggle’ mags and ammo ‘Vanderboegh style’. If shipping companies and banks want to deplatform us, then we need to “do it ourselves” as Andrew Torba did when he created free-speech social media platform, GAB.com

Mike Vanderboegh III Percent SMUGGLER.png
Wild Bill

An excellent Idea. How would this smuggling thing work?

Henry Bowman

For that, I would refer you to the ‘Sipsey Street Irregulars’ blog. Mike Vanderboegh said it way better than I ever could.

Wild Bill

I’ll give it a read.

musicman44mag

A little off topic but dealing with guns. Never had a shot gun. They are working on outlawing semi auto shotguns in Oregoneistan. I saw a movie where they were trying to kill the president with drones and our president said he is not above using them on us. When I saw the movie I thought shot gun would work best, when I heard the ass speak I thought need one. When I read the new bill they are going to try and pass I said I need one NOW. So here is the question. JTS MK12AK or Rock Island… Read more »

Henry Bowman

Black Aces Tactical DP-12 bullpup. Takes 5-rd mags, even 10-rd mags & 12-rd drums (if you can find any!) and has very little recoil, provided you pull it into your shoulder pocket really tight so it doesn’t stovepipe!
https://www.ballisticmag.com/black-aces-tactical-pro-series-bullpup/

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musicman44mag

Thank you. That is one that I had not looked at.

swmft

I bought a tavor ts12 have so dam many mags in a closet takes too long to find them, have a sweet 16that I have had since 1960s black aces is in florida and I have one of their “other” shockwave 12 gauge guns someone just bought them so no longer a walkin buy walk out deal

swmft

a few things the tavor is 3 times the money but caries 16 in yhe gun also can use 3 inch shells and uses common chokes

Oldvet

mm44… I would love to have a SRM 12-16 semi auto . Uses 16 round 4 tube rotary magazines + 1 in the chamber . Last I saw they were about $2000 . It is a short design but doesn’t look like a bullpup .
ps Spent the day at the range 75-80 degrees !

musicman44mag

Glad you had a great time. I still have 4 more weeks before the doctor will clear me for anything like that. Not allowed to put my elbow higher than my shoulder or lift anything over 10 lbs. I did buy a Tristar KRX tactical 20 and a Black River 20 round drum magazine for it.
Now I need to find those shells.

Oldvet

mm44…Is that a 12 ga The shells I saw were 12 ga .

musicman44mag

Yep it sure is, 3 inch mag if you want. The drone shells are only 2.75 inch.

Oldvet

mm44… Can understand , have another friend here just under went surgery for pancreatic cancer . He’s weak and tired but hopefully they got it in time . Went in yesterday for a scope for a look see .

musicman44mag

Found it. I had it under shotgun rather than reloading. Shotguns are all new to me. It is Skynet Done defense The Maverick Drone System.

25 pack 162.00

Well you know what I am doing next. Take care.

Oldvet

mm44…Was that CHKADELLS ? if not how about an address ? Need to start asking suppliers to put the old paper order forms in their literature so we can send a cashiers check with an order .

musicman44mag

Sorry, I have been out running around all day and just got back in. If you are asking about the shotgun shells for drones, this is it.
SKYNET Drone Defense – Maverick Drone Systems

If you are asking about penetrator rounds, this is it.
SS109 Penetrator 62gr Projectiles – Arm or Ally

If I didn’t answer your question let me know and I will try.

Oldvet

mm44… You did good the first is the one I was asking about .

ROCK6

Ah, the role for my Saiga 12 with 20 round drum…anti-drone hunting!

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Tank

Note to self:

Corporate fascist’s/dictator’s/communist’s/socialist’s always leverage their status & profits as a control mechanism & methodology to justify their propaganda & control of human beings for the betterment of themselves not the true unencumbered & immutable Freewill of the people.

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loveaduck

What about DHL?

leo

go woke go broke

Russn8r

Collusion in restraint of trade? Illegal? “This change hurts all but the most prominent online retailers…small manufacturers too.”

I doubt quisling NSSF does a thing about it since it hurts small players. Barriers to survival & entry help big patrons. After all, appeasement & collaboration with their “ATF, DOJ & ‘LE’ partners” is the name of NSSF’s game!

Bob

What’s all this insinuation about NSSF quislings? Never heard that before.

Wild Bill

It is just unproven hyperbole.

Ope

Bill, it’s unproven hyperbole, but proven dumbass!

musicman44mag

Strange. I got your email but cannot find the post.
21.22. 19 something for fedx and a buck something for insurance up to 100 dollars.

Ope

Bob, just disregard all of that morons nonsense. The boy is about three shy of a six pack.

Russn8r

In posts on recent articles by/about NSSF I’m not alone noting it’s as bad as NRA. Worse? Don’t care about small firms or private buyer-seller rights (competes w/the big boys). Clik pic to see NSSF’s RINO Gun Control Heroes. NSSF gave fake As to the bulk of 15 Senate RINOs who backed “Bipartisan Safer Communities” Gun Control. 2 fake Bs. And fake As/Bs to the bulk of House RINOs who backed it. NSSF took no position on the bill! (wink-wink translation: “We’re for it. Go ahead & vote for it and you won’t be downgraded.”) Re enforcing gun controls, all… Read more »

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MICHAELANGELO

Big Dummy!

BarbaraStewart

Yes, but our ancestors were living during other times…

Wild Bill

I’m not sure what you are saying.

Ansel Hazen

I think what she is insinuating needs a downvote.

Wild Bill

Yes, I think that she is saying that our Rights depend upon the technology of the age in which we live.
The times that we live in might change, but human nature does not.

swmft

she is saying we should all make nice with people like hitler and stalin they will only kill a few billion
there are some people that will never learn history will repeat if you let it

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Wild Bill

She eple.

Ansel Hazen

That the Bill of Rights is a living document blah blah blah.

swmft

A down vote ? 4.5billion sounds about right

Russn8r

Really, Sherlock?

Dry gulched

You can spell really?

Ope

That really is amazing. But it had to have some help with Sherlock.

MICHAELANGELO

Super Dummy !!@

Dry gulched

So then, when it comes to the 1st Amendment it only pertains to quill pens and Guttenberg printing presses? Your argument carries water like a kitchen colander.