White House Receives New Pistol Stabilizing Device Rule

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WASHINGTON, D.C. -(Ammoland.com)-The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) and the Department of Justice have sent the rule surrounding pistol stabilizing devices to the White House for Presidential review.

After the 2020 Presidential election, President Joe Biden called on the ATF to change regulations around pistol braces and unfinished frames and receivers. The ATF drafted a proposed rule dealing with unfinished frames and receivers thirty days later. Then a month later, the ATF unveiled its proposed regulations around firearms with pistol stabilizing devices.

During the open comment period, the Federal Registry received just under 300,000 public comments on the proposed frames and receiver rule. The proposed pistol stabilizing device rule received a little more than 250,000 public comments. The vast majority of the comments opposed the new anti-gun rules. The ATF continued to move forward with the rule-making process despite the general public disdain for the new regulations. This rule was the second time a pistol stabilizing rule was proposed. The December, before the final rule proposal, a public comment period was opened on another attempt at introducing a new rule, but the ATF pulled the rule before the comment period closed.

If the final draft rule is any indication, the new rule will treat the vast majority of firearms with pistol stabilizing devices as short barreled rifles (SBR) or short barreled shotguns (SBS). The statute does not ban pistol stabilizing devices but does regulate the firearm utilizing the brace. Companies that make braces can still make the items, but if the ATF treats the stabilizing devices as stocks, the market for pistol stabilizing devices will be small.

It is believed that the new rule will have an amnesty period for gun owners to register their pistols equipped with a stabilizing brace as an SBR or SBS.

In early September, AmmoLand News discovered an ATF request for increased funding for this proposed amnesty period. There are only rumors of the exact number of days in the amnesty period, but a similar period was introduced after the announcement of the frames and receiver rule. That rule saw a 120-day amnesty period. It is logical to conclude that the new amnesty period will have a similar number of days.

Some think President Biden will schedule a press conference like he did when he held a press conference in the Rose Garden to unveil the final frame rule. When the text of the frames and receiver rule was announced, the President invited anti-gun advocates and politicians, including David Hogg, to the White House for a ceremony. Pro-gun advocates saw this press conference as President Biden “spiking the football.”

The White House has not announced when the new rule will be unleashed on the American gun owner. When the final rule is revealed, a slew of lawsuits challenging the regulation is expected to be filed. The Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) has already filed a lawsuit challenging the yet-to-be-unveiled rule, but the case has been stayed until the end of December to give time for the rule to be unveiled.

The White House did not return AmmoLand’s request for comment.


About John Crump

John is a NRA instructor and a constitutional activist. John has written about firearms, interviewed people of all walks of life, and on the Constitution. John lives in Northern Virginia with his wife and sons and can be followed on Twitter at @crumpyss, or at www.crumpy.com.

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Matt in Oklahoma

Y’all quit acting like if you comply that’ll be the end of it. The bar will just keep moving.

Arizona

BATFE cannot legally redefine “firearm, receiver, suppressor, rifle” nor claim braced pistols that have been legally sold with BATFE approval for a decade are suddenly SBR’s. They can not criminalize braced pistols nor write laws. Anyone who registers a pistol should be prepared to receive a “surrender item within 30 days” letter when BATFE changes its mind again and bans them, or Congress does. Each unconstitutional infringement is just “a step in the right direction” until they are all banned, per democrats.

Arizona

Correct, next will be a letter demanding you surrender the registered item within 30 days, or face ever increasing fines.

StLPro2A

Only fools submit incriminating evidence to the enemy.

USMC0351Grunt

“Now class, what Matt saying, if you notice the, WE, The People, I mean, THE FROG in the pot of water. If we turn on the flame and heat up the water one degree at a time, ever so slightly, WE, The People, er, uh, I mean the frog, will adjust to the temperature of the water each time we, infringe on their rights, er, I mean, the frog will adjust to the heat each time we raise the temperature of the water, until we kill, WE, The People. WAIT! NO! I mean kill frog! Er, boil the frog to… Read more »

The Crimson Pirate

F them. Come and take it.

Boz

Exactly! MOST salient statement on here.

Matt in Oklahoma

Let’s just say a million of y’all do the stamp. Do y’all think they will hire more folks to come out and visit? Do you think they’ll use it to make more rules? Do you think you’ll find the next wave of agents and bureaucrats like the silencer crowd has done to keep them as strong as they are now? What happens if it’s 3 million that do the stamp? Do the math and think of where the money will go not counting 10% for the big guy. Your funding your own demise

J Gibbons

This is 100% about getting more firearms onto the NFA registry. The registry is the thing. Once its registered, it can be confiscated due to any number of seemingly benign reason. Works in line with the Left’s push for red flag laws. Or, the IRS decides to audit your tax return and send one of their 87,000 new armed agents to your door with an order to seize all registered firearms for the safety of the government agent.

USMC0351Grunt

You’d think it’s be safer for those agents to just stay in their cubicles?

The other Jim

Joe Biden hasn’t ordered them back into the office at their cubicles to do work like Glen Youngkin. There still rolling out of bed at 10AM, coffee then lunch til 2PM; popping the beer, wine and liquor early at 3:30PM. So during the 8 hours days’ pay, they do about 1.5 hours work. The whole of the U.S. Government Work Staff. The 87000 new employees is just to do the other 6.5 hours of work during the day that the others are paid to do but are not due to Joe Biden’s/Democrats new Socialist Government of pay/benefits/pension/401k-5% Match, but you… Read more »

USMC0351Grunt

I wonder if they get discounts for sex change operations as one of their benefits?

The other Jim

If it is not, for sure if it is asked Joe Biden will Executive Order that.

CourageousLion

Maybe we can do them for free. Just wack it off and stick down their throats.

CourageousLion

Probably.

Roland T. Gunner

I have about 15, and I dont want them Form 1’d. Those m-effers can french kiss my plump pink ass.

CourageousLion

That’s $3,000 in fees and SIXTY hours of paperwork. You terrible guy I feel so threatened by you having a rifle that is shorter than they say it can be.

Matt in Oklahoma

And they will take all that money y’all are planning on handing over and use it to enforce and make new regulations

Hazcat

Another List for the government to put you on. Next rule will be if you are on 3 or more government lists you are automatically classified a ‘Danger to democracy’ and will be hunted down and jailed without trial.

musicman44mag

and kept in prison without a speedy trial for however long they want until you give in to their demands like the Jan 6ers.

Montana454Casull

Oh ya also FJB anf the ATF

Montana454Casull

This is unconstitutional, it amounts to taxation without representation. When idiot Joe invited all the anti gun clowns he exposed his one sided anti gun law . Nobody represented the other side of the equation. Which amounts to taxing for a right and thats unconstitutional. The second amendment is not a privilege these tyrants can grant privileges for a price to those who can afford the stamp . Total discrimination against low income and people of color also .

Arizona

Neither BATFE nor the dementia-addled pedo who was fraudulently installed in the White House have legal authority to create laws, or to alter them. Only Congress has the power to legislate, and that power does not include infringing on the 2nd amendment.

USMC0351Grunt

The sad thing about all that is that John Q Public doesn’t have the backbone to demand that these illiterates quit wasting the BILLIONS and even TRILLIONS is wasteful government spending on these unconstitutional attempts.

CourageousLion

And that’s because….

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Arizona

Yeah, wait till CBDC and digital ID’s are rolled out in 3-6 months.

Montana454Casull

The fake news pundits are giddy this morning over the criminal rug muncher being traded for the ” Mechent of death ” . Let that deal sink in . Hope Ukraine likes Joe’s trade because most Americans are disgusted with the deal .

musicman44mag

The dumb ass in charge said it was either her or nothing. I think we should have taken nothing instead of turning a terrorist loose back into the world but then again, terrorists always cover for and help other terrorists don’t they. Think Obummer and giving Iran millions of dollars, gold and the right to enrich uranium so they can make nukes and be a threat to the world. Think Obiden leaving millions of dollars in weaponry in Afghanistan arming the Taliban to threaten Israel and the world. With all of obidens dirty deals and obummers Solyndra and Fast and… Read more »

USMC0351Grunt

Add this prisoner exchange to the Bowe Bergdahl swap and add in the Billions of weapons given to the Taliban. I would say that ANY American citizen that would tell the BATFE to shove it under all of these circumstances that each and every U.S. citizen has a compelling interest in maintaining their weapons in whatever condition they desire to defend not only themselves and family but friends and communities from the existential threats caused by and given that our government is working directly with and supplying our enemies, many whom are being caught entering our borders.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/4-prisoners-bowe-bergdahl-exchange-obama-senior-taliban-posts

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CourageousLion

Funny how Chairman Xiden arms terrorist with billions in weapons in Afghnistan, arms the criminal government in Ukraine and trades a known arms dealer who was behind trying to kill Americans for a black lesbian basket ball star. Anyone besides me see hypocricy when he wants us to kiss the ATF’s ass with this bull crap? And wants our “assault” rifles? While he surrounds himself with guys that have actual MACHINE GUNS? Can I puke?

USMC0351Grunt

What I see in connecting all these dots is that the Democrat “party” is putting together the aided and assisted terrorist attack against America ON OUR SOIL! You can only proclaim, “OOPS! Stupid mistake” so many times before conspiracy becomes a reality!

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Lesko Brandon

I have as much authority to make laws as the BATFE, so last night I passed a new law that appoints myself King of America and Supreme Leader of the Land. My first act as your new king was a decree was to abolish the BATFE.

USMC0351Grunt

My blessings to you Sire, I will send over two pigs, seven chickens and my ugliest daughters.

musicman44mag

Lol, thanks, way to start my morning.

Roverray

Spitting a drink through my nose! Lol!

CourageousLion

I accept your kingship over these psychopathic control freaks in “power” at this time. Maybe you’ll be a benevolent tyrant.

TKocian

So, the next asshole that shoots up a shopping mall or schoolyard with a properly licensed, paid for, registered pistol brace on their properly purchased, background checked weapon will be ignored yet again with the evil eye and the media’s bony finger pointed at the AR it was attached to…This will never end.

USMC0351Grunt

Oh, don’t kid yourself. “IT” will end eventually. It’s just that “our side” is so much more patient and prudent so it will take a longer time-frame to accomplish the end results of their wanton stupidity..

Boom

No …it ended a long time ago. We’re done for.

CourageousLion

Aim small, miss small.

USMC0351Grunt

No, we are a long, long, very long way from being, “done”. You see, there is so much going on in the background on both sides of this fence that never gets exposed to the all seeing eyes of the public.You see, much like what is indicated in the attached photo,” WE, The People have “our flags too!”

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USMC0351Grunt

Hmmmm? I wonder where the photo went?

CourageousLion

Maybe they should just make it against the law to murder people and quit worrying about the guns.

USMC0351Grunt

Now THAT is an idea! Maybe spice this up a bit and make it a DEATH sentence where they actually put you to death rather than house you for 20+ years talking about putting you to death?

musicman44mag

and now we know what you have and where to go get it.

hippybiker

Dummy up! They’ll never stop until they have us completely disarmed! The hen, you’ll discover what their real intentions are! Have fun in the Gulags. As for me…I’ll be dead!

hippybiker

Damn iPad. Typo then you’ll discover!

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musicman44mag

Hi there. I have a question for you. I am typing and now I am seeing some type of auto fill finishing or adding to my sentences. Are you seeing that too??

USMC0351Grunt

Uh? We all stopped dropping acid back in the 70’s? Check your keyboard settings for “auto fill”.

musicman44mag

Thanks for that. I have to find out what and where it is. I hate these dam updates. They change stuff, never tell you what they changed or how to use it, you just have to experiment.

Have a great day.

USMC0351Grunt

If you’re operating Windows 10, Go into SETTINGS, then TYPING SETTINGS and then you go way down and make sure that the under HARDWARE KEYBOARD, the “Show text suggestions as I type”, the “Auto Correct misspelled words as I type” and the “Multilingual text suggestion…” switches are all OFF.

musicman44mag

Thank you. That fixed it. I appreciate your help.
Semper Fidelis

USMC0351Grunt

NO! They want to make YOU a criminal if YOU don’t give them, $600! That’s $200.00 EACH ITEM!

musicman44mag

I think today that making you a felon is more important than the money.

USMC0351Grunt

YEP! Being made into a felon puts you on the no fly, no buy gun and ammo ownership list.

Flatrock

Short barreled rifles are appropriate for close quarters home defense. The larger mass than a handgun helps with recoil, and does the greater ease of maintaining a split 2 handed grip. The longer sight radius makes accurate sighting easier.
The excessive regulation and taxation of short barreled rifles does not reduce crime in any measurable way and places significant restrictions of citizens right to defend themselves, particularly in their homes.

Carl up North

Even if you register as an SBR you do know that you have to have a Mother-May-I letter from the ATF to cross state lines or move to a new locale?

Matt in Oklahoma

I wouldn’t worry too much about notifications because once everyone hands over all those millions of dollars they’ll be hiring folks to visit.

USMC0351Grunt

You mean that they’ll personally deliver our shiny new tax stamps?

musicman44mag

You shouldn’t have to tell them a dam thing period.
Oregoneistan, where if the left wins on measure 114, you will be required to be registered to buy a gun and your name and address will be published public information by the registering authorities.

BillyBob

For some reason I thought Congress were the ones to make laws, huh weird!?!?!?

musicman44mag

That’s the trick! They are not making laws, they are changing rules and regulations.

USMC0351Grunt

It still falls back on WE, The People and our apathy. Congress stopped “making laws” long ago and have evolved into pushing agendas NOT based on the Constitution and the LIMITED powers therein. As well, WE, The People have been dumbed-down and turned apathetic due to the overwhelming rhetoric used these days just to amend one sentence in any bill or piece of legislation going through the “process”. What we need to do is follow the steps laid out by then Senator Tom Coburn and blaze a trail in true FRAUD, WASTE and ABUSE in government and push to immediately… Read more »

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truthman

Where the Hell is the NRA-ILA on this? Is the NRA going to drop the Ball like they did on the bump stock ban?

Stag

The NRA doesn’t “drop the ball”. They actively called for regulation of bumpstocks. Just like they did with the NFA, GCA, Mulford Act, Hughes Amendment, NICS, FixNICS, and red flag laws.

USMC0351Grunt

Makes me want to buy a bunch of custom condoms with “We are the NRA – Fuck your Rights!” on the packages.

Orion

now you’re sounding like that turd Russian 8. today’s NRA is nothing like it was before WLP. even with all the recent financial embarrassments linked to him, WLP has put the NRA front and center in the fight to halt unjust 2A regulations.
only 5 million members even today. if every firearm owner was a voting member, the makeup of the BOD would be even more aggressive but no, most of American gun owners prefer to sit on their collective asses and bitch.
and you are a liar, the NRA NEVER supported the Hughes Amendment.

Stag

Yeah, they did. Amazing how you see they supported everything else I listed and still support them.

Tionico

Hmmmm whatever happened to the meme about CONGRESS being the ONLY ONES to “make law”?

Prolly the foundational error for the lawsuits. But WHY do “they keep forsing us to spend $Millions to attempt to make them comply? Their job is to ENFORCE the laws as written, not make them up to get their jollies watching us waste money fighting them.

PistolGrip44

DO NOT COMPLY!!! End of story #FJB #FtheATF #ComeGetSome

Brad55

So I guess the letter from the ATF dated 3 Oct 2017 that the Shockwave Pistol Blade Stabilizer 2.0 is dead, stating it’s not an NFA weapon with the Pistol Blade Stabilizer. A quote from the letter (page 8). “For your information, FTISB personnel have determined a Shockwave Technologies Blade Pistol Stabilizer 2.0 as evaluated, is a firearm accessory designed to assist with the operation and use of pistols. Specifically, aiding the shooter in stabilizing the firearm when firing the host pistol, our Branch has determined such an accessory assists in the supporting of handguns which are generally large and… Read more »

USMC0351Grunt

If you review the uptick in SB Tactical’s sales you’ll find it was THAT very letter that ENCOURAGED MANY to purchase those very items to add to their AR and AK builds! So, the BATFE as well as Bidiot did in fact ENABLE the pending crisis that they are now fabricating under false pretenses and color of law!

JDT

So if one was to register with this new proposal, their pistol becomes a SBR and then can throw the brace in the trash and put a real stock on?

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USMC0351Grunt

Problem is, it would have to be a LAW in order to comply as LAW is the ONLY instrument that carries a PENALTY for violating it. Rules, Regulations, Mandates are all strongly worded INTENTIONS that the elected, appointed, management classes, and some that THINK they have authority or power over us, only WISH us to follow. There are no mechanisms that the courts can use to prosecute us for not complying to those.

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Rock

3 would equal $600.00 ! EACH is a separate $200.00 license..

The Crimson Pirate

Supposedly the fee is waived during the amnesty. IIRC they did that a couple of times in the 20th century as well.

Matt in Oklahoma

You seen that in writing?

USMC0351Grunt

“Supposedly” in the 20th Century a LOT of idiots gave up their information as to WHO had WHAT?

musicman44mag

and where it was.

Rock

Grunt…. The BAD part about it is that when you BUY a weapon equipped with one (or any other from an FFL dealer) they know YOU have it from the FFL form submitted…The “idiot” would cover those who tell on themselves for building one.

USMC0351Grunt

No, the Form 4473’s remain in the possession of the FFL’s for years if not decades. All the BATFE can do is come in and do an audit of your records to assure that the FFL is in compliance The BATFE can NOT take photos of or scan ANY 4473’s until the FFL closes it’s shop and turns over their license and ALL 4473’s to the BATFE and those firearms could have been re-sold ten times over by then..

Roverray

There has already been incidents where some field agents took cell phone pictures to supposedly finish up their report off site. I bet you a dollar they are not deleted after completing the report.

musicman44mag

Yep, they were transferred into a database held by the ATF and accessible by all agencies. Remember when obummer tied all agencies together to communicate with each other just before he left?

Just wait, very soon the FFL will no longer have paper forms.

Oregonistan. Watch us America, we are the test grounds for what could happen to the remainder of the United States. If measure 114 stands, uncle joe will use us as his shining example of how the remainder of America should be.

USMC0351Grunt

The agents have ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD to do their jobs. There is no “rush” to get things done.The FFL’s either know or should know this due to the criteria of the audit. Why do you think it takes a year to get a can you already paid for AT A CLASS III DEALER? THAT transaction should have occurred right there at the CLASS III’S shop! THAT is what they are licensed for! As for the Agents copying or filming records? THAT is why the FFL needs to do their job and report these thongs to the higher-ups… Read more »

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USMC0351Grunt

And did the FFL use the Federal Tort Claims Act and file suit against the ATF and the agents individually to first of all get this matter ON RECORD and expose the agency and individual agents both on behalf of the shop as well as for his customers whom were heavily damaged by the ATF agent’s actions? Just because these people have federal jobs and badges does not allow them to put their pants on any different than we do. Unless there’s some other video that I missed along the way?

Tionico

You are correct, as far as you take this. BUT.. reality has been proven many times over that your assumption BATFE are following the lws restricting them is an erroneous one Sad but too true.

USMC0351Grunt

That really depends on your agent. There actually ARE good agents out there. I run into the very same thing among U.S. Border Patrol, CBP, county Sheriffs and their deputies as well as Texas State DPS, ALL the time. You’ve got good guys and bad.

CourageousLion

LOL! There actually “ARE” good agents out there? If they have the JOB they are low life pieces of human shit. READ THAT ATF?

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USMC0351Grunt

So you mean to tell me that the United States Border Patrol, the Customs and Border Protection, the Texas State Department of Safety Troopers, and the Army National Guard, THEY are all pieces of shit because they’re allowing millions of illegals to permeate our country?

ALL crap from the federal government occurs because of the apathy of the American citizen sitting on their complacent asses and not fighting back!

musicman44mag

But it did happen and there is photographic evidence. I think it was the owner’s wife that taped it with her phone when it was happening. It was mentioned here on Ammoland.

Joe

In the 80’s, I had a FFL. When I did not renew it, the ATF visited me and took all of my sales records. I do not know if that is the same now.

CourageousLion

and I’m sure they took them somewhere and burned them. LOL!

USMC0351Grunt

Yes I was an FFL back in the 80s as well. But I assure you that when you closed up shop that the gun so that you sold through your shop could have very well been resold four to five times over so the FFL or the ATF doesn’t have a clue where those firearms are and all the form 4473s are going to show is whoever first purchase that firearm from the manufacturer through the FFL.

JDT

The BATF have taken photos of FFL’s books and recently caught doing this.

CourageousLion

The ATF does whatever it feels like. You can see videos on youtube of them violating the law about record keeping!

Bubba

100% Correct. For all those that have not seen this before. 1. Firearm is manufactured. 2. Firearm is serialized by manufacturer. 3. Shipped to FFL 4. Sold to buyer using a 4473 5. 4473 is filed in a safe or secure file cabinet by manufacturer then serial number. That’s where tracking ends. Until said firearm ends up in LEO’s hands. If the firearm is used in a crime or is found by some form of law enforcement (ATF is not technically a LEO – more like SS Nazi’s for the Democrats) they begin the trace. See steps 1 through 5… Read more »

Brad55

You forgot this about the FFLs.
If an FFL is going out of business or just wants to stop being an FFL, said FFL has to turn their records over to the ATF. The ATF has to keep those records for 20 years from what I have heard.

This is where the ATF can and does build a database of firearms. Yes, it’s illegal but they are doing it.

USMC0351Grunt

Yes but if that gun has been sold four or five times across the country, all the ATF has a historical database of who originally purchased that particular firearm. There is no way in hell the ATF is going to know who bought the gun and then sold it to somebody else and then gave it to a relative and then sold it to somebody else and then sold it again before that person giving it to a relative. Don’t get me wrong, there is no way in hell that I support any kind of a federal database on anything!… Read more »

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Brad55
USMC0351Grunt

Again, these laws, rules and regulations work BOTH WAYS. If the store owner just videoed the situation and never filed suit against the agency and agents as well as the U.S. government, then WHAT? We are here whining and bitching about WHAT? A spineless gun store owner that hasn’t the balls to protect the privacy and right of his customers? WHAT DO WE DO WITH WHAT WE KNOW? Obviously go to Ammoland.com and piss and moan about it. I WASN’T THERE or I would have done something about it! It is the DUTY of the gun store owner to pursue… Read more »

Tionico

that still makes this abomination an “ex post facto” law. Straightly prohibited in our Constitution

CourageousLion

EXACTLY. And they also violate the 8th amendment against UNUSUAL PUNISMENT and EXCESSIVE FINES! Or is 10 years in a cage for having a short barrel anything NOT cruel and unusual? And is a $250,000 fine for not paying $200 NOT an excessive fine? Maybe I’m missing something.

Arizona

It is unconstitutional, and cruel and unusual! While murderers and rapists get 5 or 3 years, for actual harm and victimizing another, the gov wants to punish mere ownership of an inanimate object far more severely. The reason why: they fear it being used to defend freedom.

CourageousLion

I read that it takes FOUR HOURS to deal with the paperwork. PER firearm. That is MILLIONS of hours wasted for what? So that Chairman Xiden has a list of gun owners to go after next?

USMC0351Grunt

OBSERVATION: ALL I see here in MOST of the comments to me are dozens of responders pointing out that some gun store owner’s wife videoed an ATF agent recording or photographing 4473 records which IS illegal. WHAT I DO NOT SEE: ANYBODY discussing SOLUTIONS! NOBODY showing me WHERE ANYBODY got up off their ass, contacted the store owner and worked with him and his wife as well as ALL OF HIS CUSTOMERS to pursue a suit against the ATF, the individual agents and yes, The US.Government for this. ANYBODY can bitch and moan and whine all day to get UP… Read more »

CourageousLion

3x$200 is $600!

CourageousLion

“It is believed that the new rule will have an amnesty period for gun owners to register their pistols equipped with a stabilizing brace as an SBR or SBS.” An AMNESTY is for a law broken. What law was broken? What law is broken? I know the ATF ignores the law, that being the 2nd amendment. How about EXPOST FACTO? How about EXCESSIVE FINES? How about CRUEL AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT? How about the fact THEY said these were “allright” since what? 2010? 2012? At LEAST 10 years. So lots of folks go out and buy them (as many as 14… Read more »

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Watch um

I had a brace hand gun but sold it to a person in town, and yes this is the truth. I was parked and had opened my rear latch on my SUV and a man with a beard ask to look at it, ask if I would sell for cash. Sold and he put it in his car’s trunk handed the cash and he walked away.

BTW he was a clean cut man in a business suit not some thug looking guy.

I just hope he reads Ammoland like I do

CourageousLion

LOL! But first you said he had a beard. Sounds like you’
re making this up aren’t you? LOL!

TexDad

John, the 120 days was not an amnesty. That was the time it took after the frame/receiver rule was published for the rule to take effect. A pistol brace rule would also have a delay after being published to the national register.

An amnesty would be a planned period in which restricted items could be registered without penalty.

It’s all a bunch of silliness anyway. The government is not acting to prevent us from getting short barreled to death, they’re using this as an excuse to put the screws to people who arm themselves.

USMC0351Grunt

I KNOW! Let’s call Wayne LaPierre and the NRA! THEY will HELP US!

StLPro2A

Someone should point out to Slo Joe that a brace might be added to his ice cream cones to reduce potential for losing a scoop of ice cream….. That would curtail the new ATF brace rule.

Russ

WARNING! WARNING! WARNING!
If they get away with Making the brace an NFA item….. next will be a list of all the firearms that will be treated the same way.
” oh… don’t worry, we’ll wave the $200.00 for the arms you already own. But you will need to register them as NFA arms now”!
They will never stop! Do not let them open this door!

ashort

Every gun owner in America needs to take a long look in the mirror, before wondering and blaming the government to who’s fault it is, for these stupid assed gun rules and laws and legislation. We are the dumb asses that let them get away with it, we allowed it to happen, because nobody will stand up to the government, and these useless pro gun and 2a organizations aren’t going to be able to bail us out. even if they could. it will take years before getting their day in the Supreme Courts. Gun owners are not willing to give… Read more »

Roverray

Ass short, It is a lot to give up! However, when a bunch of ass hats in black breach your front door And shoot your dog…. A lot of people will just react, not think.

USMC0351Grunt

Seems your screen name should be, “ASS HAT”. Evidently you haven’t been paying attention to all the work that, WE, The People have been doing as well as the amounts of money we have been donating to and supporting the MANY state and federal lawsuits up to and including the U.S. Supreme Court rulings by way of the MANY 2nd Amendment organizations that brought us such rulings as in the McDonald, Heller and most recently the Bruen cases. So, take your outdated and misconstrued “information”, write it all down, wad it up and stuff it up your ass! If you… Read more »

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jukk0u

I too have spent lots of money contributing to organizations with lawyers who fight for the 2A in the courts, and more time and money engaging legislators by phone, email and in legislative committees and town halls… but somee of the largest obstacles to preserving our rights are the apathy and inaction – and even opposition – by fellow gun owners who do not act or even vote. Ashort makes a very valid point.

Roverray

No he doesn’t.

jukk0u

I am humbled by your elocution and the fullness of your rebuttal.

USMC0351Grunt

No, Ass Hat does not. Go back and re-read exactly what he stated and in what context. On the other hand, you are exactly right! The 2A community is often times our worst enemy, but you can’t claim that ALL of us are in that same boat. Been deep in the middle of THAT issue more than once. But hey? Let them reap what they sow… Or don’t sow.

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CourageousLion

How about fellow gun owners that say, “I don’t see any use for a bump stock”. Or “I have no use for a “assault rifle”. I like to hunt and I just need my bolt action. Or who needs a semi auto anyhow? I’ve got a revolver and it holds enough for me. Blah blah blah.

USMC0351Grunt

It’s their job! There are supposed to be a certain percentage of dumb asses in EVERY crowd, you just mentioned some of them.

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CourageousLion

And what has all of that gotten us? The new “rule” being dropped… “A regrettably large share of our legal experiences operate not in the shadow of the Constitution and its constraints, but rather in the shadow of explicitly unconstitutional rules, actions, and orders. In the time it takes for improper Executive Orders to be reined in, for illicit administrative decisions to be corrected, and for misinterpretations of constitutional power to be overturned, so much of society’s activity is framed by what we might call the not-Constitution — all those acts of government that are deemed illegal only after they… Read more »

USMC0351Grunt

This is al happening because we are “fishing in the wrong pond”. These departments of government tyranny have a pattern of violating the Constitution, so, rather than fighting and wasting sorely needed legals defense funds on the crumbs they intentionally drop along the way, we move UP to the cake! I cannot find it just yet but it is illegal for ANY elected or appointed official to 1) utilize tax dollars in creating laws that act AGAINST the taxpayers.2) It is illegal for ANY elected or appointed official to expend ANY taxpayer funds in the action of creating ANY law… Read more »