Nogun Shogun, Who Needs Arms When Defending the Border?


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Nogun Shogun, Who Needs Arms When Defending the Border?

Ft Collins, CO –-( “Decline is a choice.” ~ Victor Davis Hanson

Nogun Shogun!?

Our current Secretary of Defense is apparently no supporter of the armed warrior concept, and is thus a real disappointment to those of us who are.

When visiting troops deployed on our southern border today, he said:

“Troops are only there in an engineering capacity and will be laying out barbed-wire fences. Troops doing that obviously are not armed. They don’t need their weapons.”

Obviously? Don’t need weapons? He is betting their very lives on that casual, and naive, assumption.

Dead troopers during the Ft Hood massacre were also assured that they “didn’t need weapons.”

Curious that in 2018, when civilians are arming-up and routinely going armed in “rear areas,” our soldiers deployed to front lines, an extremely dangerous border, are by order, defenseless.

Will it take yet another pitiable massacre of our unarmed soldiers to demonstrate the naive foolishness of this doctrine?

We’re proudly told of the magnificent weapons training these troopers have received. Who are more qualified to bear arms than these?

And yet, and yet:

They are still not trusted with guns, even when deployed to extremely dangerous areas.

Our enemies are laughing, and celebrating.

“That nation is surest to live in peace, that is most capable of making war; and a man with a sword always by his side, shall have least occasion to make use of it.” ~ John Trenchard


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  • 21 thoughts on “Nogun Shogun, Who Needs Arms When Defending the Border?

    1. If you aren’t going to arm the soldiers on the border so they can protect themselves, you might just as well hire a bunch of illegal aliens to string the concertina wire. It would be cheaper and less risky to American citizens. If a few of them get shot it won’t stop the program, there are plenty of them here.

    2. When I was in the Army, in the late 70’s to late 80’s, on the US base where I was assigned I found out that the Military Police were carrying 45’s with an empty magazine, and of the multiple magazines they also carried only one was allowed to contain exactly 5 rounds. So this level of stupidity is not new. It is caused I think by the same kind of fake risk averse BS as having gun free zones. If the people who can and do carry the pistol being empty means there is never ever an accidental shooting. Stupidity.

    3. I lived and worked along the border in New Mexico for 20 years and was NEVER stupid enough to be there without being armed. I was shot at 3 times over the years while in the border country, never hit (thank God), with 2 of the shots coming out of Mexico. It has always been and still is a dangerous place.

    4. Posse Comitatus act is not applicable when defense of our borders is involved. The military is not employed in arresting citizens. The purpose of the CBP is to interdict illegal entry. The Army can be used in that effort as well. Forgottn is the fact that CBP has been fired upon cross border. We are being invaded. What use is the army if we don’t use them to repel invaders. Arm the soldiers.

    5. The author of this piece needs to read the constitution for himself! The National Guard can be armed and on duty in our continental states but the army cannot be used in that manner on US soil. The president and his secretary of defense have a far more intricate problem to deal with in this border situation then any of you appear to appreciate.

      1. We need to cut to the chase here. Anyone who argues for unarmed troops, who argues for no troops, who nitpicks over which troops can do the job is after ONE thing only – to get as many illegals as possible into this country as rapidly as possible. The goal is to dilute the conservative vote by whatever means works. The left cares nothing about the welfare of the people coming up from and through Mexico to the United States. The left only craves their votes, nothing more (perhaps also the vapid moral high ground of being able to say they “care” for these people).

        1. I could not not have said it better . I had just told my wife the same thing at dinner .Demon Crats are selling their souls for votes and sacrificing the country by their insane actions . Power at any cost that’s there mission .

    6. It would seem that you are all forgetting that the US military cannot be deployed in our nation in a military offensive manner. You should read your constitution and you will know what President Trump and his Cabinet are dealing with in this situation. It is far more inticate than you are aware of.

      1. quote from Ken:
        US military cannot be deployed in our nation in a military offensive manner

        This is true… EXCEPT in time of riot, civil disturbance, FOREIGN INVASION.

        These troops are NOT deployed there “in a military offensive manner” though there are legions of idiots across this land who find any attempt to repel this invasion is an offense to their “sensitivities” or corrupt politcal agenda.

        I’d suggest YOU read YOUR copy of the COnstitution….. where military force can, and must, be brought to bear under certain circumstances, which include use on home soil for certain limited purposes… one of which is to repel foreign invaders.

        So, what IS an “invader”? Someone entering unlawfully, without our permission, and/or for purposes not lawful. This mob of individuals is NOT a volunteer club moving on their own behalf. No, amble evidence has been produced that they are organised, funded, encouraged, at times even paid, to come to our border and by whatever means availble, to illagelly cross it. Mexico rolled over and not only let them come in, but have aided them in various ways as they progressed northward, their intention to crash OR border being clearly stated.

        I have read MY copy of the COnstitution, and it is plain to see that President Trump is putting legs under his charge, which he swore to faithfully execute, to protect us from foreigh invaders, to set policy then enforce it relating to who can enter this country and under what circumstances, and to act as Commander in Chief of our military forces.

        He does need to come down on his SecDef hard, though, as he is putting troops at very high risk by causing them, very stupidly, to be disarmed as they operate in a high risk zone. Word gets out they ARE disarmed on duty, how long will it take before a drug cartel, conveniently and generously armed with OUR weapons (read up on Fast and Furious if you don’t believe that) decides to hop into their nice Tundra 4 x 4 pickups and roar on up to the areas these troops are working, unarmed, and engage in a massacre. Think it can’t happen? Yo’ve been asleep. Wake up, Rip. A lot has happened as you slumbered on.

        1. If the National Guard is called up by the federal government, they are subject to the PCA. If they are called up by the state government, they are not subject to the PCA and can be used in any manner consistent with the law and the Constitution (in this case both federal and state). The federal government can get around this inconvenience with the cooperation of the governors by having the states call up the Guard while the federal government funds the operation.

          However, even when under control of the federal government, there are exceptions to the PCA that allow both the National Guard as well as federal Active Duty and Reserve forces to be used against civilians. Federal forces were deployed during the LA Riots and the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

          Also, this applies only to citizens within the US. If you are a US citizen outside the US, the possibilities increase. Specifically, if you are in a designated combat zone and you are considered an enemy combatant, you pretty much have zero protection and the military (Guard, Active Duty, or Reserves) can detain and/or kill you in accordance with the laws of war.

      2. So if Russia or some ominous opponent of our great Republic was posed to enter our country at Galveston TX the law would not permit the use of our Military. Please, this is not the way the law reads or is intended. You have embarrassed yourself and the rest of us by commenting, are you sure your at the correct website. This is not a civil disturbance, this is a blatant invasion. Now go find Green Wave and the notorious ankle biter Clark Kent, surely the three of you can at least wage a leftist article not so easily ripped by true facts. Great article by the way Mr Farnam.

      1. Posse Comitatus Act was modified in 2006. Apparently now Military can be used just about anytime and anywhere. If the wrong people in political office the military could be used everywhere all the time.

    7. Some Military leaders act like Hollywood types, they consider the troops as cannon fodder, expendable.
      Putting unarmed soldiers anywhere is pure foolishness. That “Leader” should be relieved of his position.

    8. Yep. You’d think being on a Military base would be one of the safest places to be. Amazingly not so.
      It’s safer being off base where the people are armed. Who knows…perhaps we might have to defend them?

    9. America has had “STUPID” on the Hill since WWII.. The surprise attack on Pearl, and many attacks during the war that cost thousands of American lives. We need not mention Vietnam Stupid. And it’s continues today. The Ft.Hood massacre, 2015 two U.S. Army soldiers were wounded in an attack by a gunman on a military recruiting center.
      Our current SoD needs to be removed…America needs intelligence on the Hill not Stupid.

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