Vehicle “Protest” Encounters: Politics, Legal Jeopardy, Defense

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U.S.A.-(AmmoLand.com)- In the seeming never-ending riots portrayed as “peaceful protests” by the Progressive left, including most of the Media, there are an increasing number of drivers/passengers involved in vehicle encounters with agitators/protestors.

There are numerous responses on Internet forums about how to handle a situation where a person or persons in a vehicle encounter, often unexpectedly, agitators/protestors who are aggressively blocking a public right of way.

Many of these responses are very dangerous. It seems to be precisely what is desired by the Progressive left, such as Antifa and BLM, their organizers, handlers, and political theorists.

This article explains some of the dynamics observed from the reporting of these events, and a framework of how to respond with the least risk to the driver/passenger(s) involved.

The design of many of these events is to deliberately block public right-of-ways, to inconvenience large numbers of the public, and to show the public the participants can break the law with impunity.

Part of the design is to trap drivers/passengers and provoke a violent response to further the Antifa/BLM agenda.

In nearly all of these events, the local government, which may include the local prosecutor, mayor, and or city council, are complicit, sympathetic, or compromised on the side of those organizing the event and the violence.

Those who create these events, or to be charitable, hi-jack them and take advantage of them, want confrontation, violence, destruction, and death. They want to frame the confrontation, violence, destruction, and death as being caused by “racists and or white supremacists”, which is newspeak for enemies of the party, with “the party” being the Progressive far-left as exemplified by the furthest left thinkers, planners and organizers.

Their definition of an enemy of the party is anyone who is not actively submitting to them, and doing what they order, to further their goals. Do not be deceived. The vast majority of people in the country are considered “the enemy”.

When a vehicle approaches a highway, street, interstate, road or intersection blocked by “protestors” or agitators, the common tactic, instead of opening a way for the vehicle to traverse the right of way, is to block the vehicle, surround it, beat or pound on it with hands or whatever is available, to throw water bottles, or other objects at the vehicle, to place a bicycle or scooter on its side in front of the vehicle, to swarm or surround the vehicle to prevent a safe retreat, and to demand a window be rolled down, or the door opened. The purpose is to intimidate and frighten, to stop the vehicle, to induce fear, to elicit a panic response.

The template for these events, from the view of the agitator, organizes, in Charlottesville, where a young, mentally troubled NAZI sympathizer, James Alex Fields, drove into a crowd of protestors/agitators who blocked the right of way, injuring many and killing one.

The protest was legal, but a key barricade had been removed, which is how Fields happened onto the situation with the protestors in the street, blocking his passage. There is evidence he was lost, but driving into the crowd appears to have been intentional. Fields was convicted and will likely be in prison for life.

There were protestors/agitators from both the Nationalist Left (neo-NAZI/white supremacists) and the Internationalist Left (Antifa/BLM) at Charlottesville. Both sides of the Leftist coin were violent. The local government trended to the left and has been blamed for not keeping the peace.

The two sides of the left see each other as enemies. A great many people at the protest were not with either of the extremist factions. Fields claimed self-defense. He later plead guilty, with his lawyers describing the attack as an “impulsive, angry, and aggressive decision.” His ability to back up to escape, his Internet and other communications showing a strong attraction to Hitler and white supremacists, aided in his conviction.

The killing of a woman demonstrator (Heather Heyer, 32) by Fields at Charlottesville was an enormous propaganda victory for the Internationalist Left. It is being used to this day to smear President Trump and any opposition to the Progressive left.

Much of the organization of current “protests” seems designed to induce/promote a Charlottesville event, or at minimum, be portrayed as a Charlottesville event. Antifa is well organized, equipped and lead, according to this evaluation.

Drivers who approach protesters/agitators at these events have been stopped, threatened with guns, dragged from their vehicles, been shot at, shot, wounded, and killed. Protesters have been hit and injured and killed. Drivers of vehicles are always, it appears, characterized as racist, who are deliberately targeting protesters. But since Charlottesville, it has been exceedingly difficult to find an actual NAZI/ white supremacist.

At the Portland Chaz/Chop location, two teenage black boys approached the border in a stolen jeep Cherokee. They were fired on by event “security”. One was killed, the other severely wounded.

The initial description of the shooting at the event was that racists who had attacked people at the event had been fired on in defense.

A driver who accidentally struck two protesters who were blocking a freeway at night, near Seattle, killing one and severely injuring another, was described as a racist white supremacist in early reporting. The driver turned out to be a black immigrant from Africa. Both incidents occurred where the “protests” were sanctioned by local authorities.

In Austin, Texas, when an Army Sargent wandered into a protest accidentally and shot a protester who approached him, masked, with an AK-47 clone, in self-defense, protester sympathizes initially claimed he was a threat, that protesters did not mob his vehicle and strike it with their hands, and that people where running from the vehicle when the shooting occurred. None of those claims were true. The protest/street blockage was unofficially sanctioned by the local government.

Sgt. Daniel Perry tells his side of events at the link. He was moonlighting for a ride-sharing company when he found himself in the tragic situation.

Those mostly mythical racist/NAZI/white supremicists keep refusing to show up. That does not stop Antifa/BLM from working hard at creating them in the media. When protestors stop vehicles and beat innocent occupants, or shoot at vehicle occupants to enforce their will; or shoot drivers, the events are attempted to be portrayed as racists attacking “peaceful protestors”.

When two agitators illegally blocking a busy intersection in Indianapolis were caught on video pulling guns on the driver of a truck, who took pains to avoid them, they claimed they were acting in self defense. BLM claims people who hit agitators who are blocking streets are “white racists”.

“It’s always a double standard,” the group said. “White racist are killing and hitting protesters and then get mad when (we) defend ourselves.”

In Portland, agitators severely beat a man who attempted to help a pedestrian under attack. The attackers claimed he had tried to run them over. The evidence indicates the opposite.

If you happen to get caught up in one of these situations, expect to be provoked. Expect your car to be beaten upon. Expect agitators to signal you to roll down your window, to surround you, to throw bicycles and motor scooters or other objects in front of you. If they can get you to drive through them, striking one or more of them, they win! Do not assume the people in the street are illegally blocking the street. Barricades can be moved. Local authorities may have given “unofficial” sanction. If that proves to be the case, you are at significantly greater legal risk.

On numerous Internet forums, anonymous posters show bravado by saying they would drive over people who block them; they would shoot them; they would back away, and then shoot them. This is extremely unwise. If those posters ever get into a real situation, their Internet comments will be found and will be used against them, to show pre-meditation and white supremacist sympathies. They will be more than half-way to a felony conviction.

What should be done if you find yourself approaching a right of way blocked by numerous people?

Avoid the situation if possible. Do not approach any closer than necessary to turn left or right, or turn around. If you must go against a one-way street to avoid the crowd, do so. You, and the nation, are best served by you and your vehicle leaving the area.

If you are trapped by vehicles behind you, or swarmed by agitators/protestors surrounding your vehicle, do not keep moving, unless there is a clear way to exit the situation.

Do not leave your vehicle. Do not open a window, allowing access to your vehicle to aggressors. Do not get out of the vehicle to clear a blockage, unless you can do so without interacting with the people blocking the right of way.

Keep the vehicle locked, running, and ready to leave when you have the chance. Do not show a defensive weapon at this point.

Remember, many of these people have been programmed to consider you an evil racist who is a deadly threat.

They have been programmed to elicit a violent reaction.

Do not give it to them.

At what point is a violent, self-defense option justified? People have been dragged from their cars, beaten, shot at, wounded, and killed. Cars have been firebombed. The threat of severe injury or death can be real.

You must be able to convince a jury that as a reasonable person, you faced imminent severe injury or death. Here are some threat points to consider:

  1. Forcing entry to your vehicle. If one of your windows, windshield, or back window is broken, a line has been crossed. Most jurors would consider a driver to be in imminent danger at that point. An opening of the vehicle door by an outsider would serve the same purpose. At that point, you face potential car-jacking.
  2. Pointing firearms at you, particularly with orders to open a window or door, or otherwise leave the security of your vehicle.
  3. Rocking your vehicle by the crowd. This indicates an attempt to overturn it.
  4. Approaching the vehicle with a firebomb or attempting to force open access to the gas tank. Both should be considered a deadly threat. An open gas tank is like having a bomb strapped to your vehicle.

Not every threat is as clear. There are grey areas that can seem incredibly frightening at the time, but may not seem so to a jury. Consider the damage to your vehicle, such as dents to the hood or side panels, which do not facilitate entry. A jury may not consider them a deadly threat.

Immobilization of your vehicle is a step closer to a deadly threat. Once immobilized, you are much closer to being at the mercy of the mob.

Blinding you by covering the windshield and windows with paint, paper, fabric, other means, falls in this intermediate category. It always depends on the totality of the circumstances. Blinding you by covering windows is a significant threat. It may be seen as a ruse to get you to open a window or door.

One of the reasons protesters/agitators swarm vehicles is to serve the double purposes of intimidation and enhancing the possibility of a protester/martyr being injured.

Most vehicles can take a lot of damage and still be drive-able. Most vehicles can run for miles on flat tires. Better to sustain thousands of dollars of vehicular damage, than to be injured, killed, or undergo a trial in a hostile political climate, for hit and run or worse.

As with most self-defense situations, the steps are:  to avoid when possible; evaluate the threat; only react violently when justified.

If you must act violently, act decisively. Don't stop until you are no longer under threat. Then contact the authorities, particularly 911. Hopefully, you have been able to record the threat. The protestor/agitators will have recorded you, you can be certain of that.

As Attorney General Barr has noted, we are under attack in a form of urban guerilla warfare. Interview with AG Barr:

“The way the guerrilla…hides out among the people as a fish in the ocean…what they do is they are essentially shielding themselves or shrouding themselves in First Amendment activity,” he explained. “They go into the demonstrations, which are exercising First Amendment activity, and they insinuate themselves in there to shield themselves. That's where they swim. And what they do is they hijack these demonstrations and they and they provoke violence.”

Do not give the enemies of the Republic ammunition. Avoid becoming a physical or legal casualty.


About Dean Weingarten:Dean Weingarten

Dean Weingarten has been a peace officer, a military officer, was on the University of Wisconsin Pistol Team for four years, and was first certified to teach firearms safety in 1973. He taught the Arizona concealed carry course for fifteen years until the goal of Constitutional Carry was attained. He has degrees in meteorology and mining engineering, and retired from the Department of Defense after a 30 year career in Army Research, Development, Testing, and Evaluation.

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pigpen51
pigpen51
3 months ago

You might listen to Michael Bane’s podcast this week, for a very intelligent treatise on this very subject. His basic points might be best summarized into a short idea. If at all humanly possible, avoid any political protest, at all costs, including learning just where these protests are occurring. If you must suffer the indignities of being called names or such, leave your ego at home, and attempt to get their, and stay away from the war zone. His one caveat comes when it involves kids. If you see a kid under attack, no reasonable person can have the conscience… Read more »

ralph
ralph
3 months ago

The overriding principle here is “It’s better to be judged by 12 than to be carried by 6”. My ever-present concealed handgun is for defensive uses only. When I am threatened with deadly force, I will defend myself and/or my wife and take my chances with a jury.

WI Patriot
WI Patriot
3 months ago

My 8400# diesel Pickup trumps your pistol…

pureamericana
pureamericana
3 months ago

While the article starts with much logic and prudence, the accepting of being at the mercy of Bolshevik terrorist kidnappers with family inside your vehicle is just not going to happen. These thugs are also murderers and many tranquil people will do anything, yes anything to keep family safe and away. Sad, but these hate filled anarchist are capable of any atrocities during the night. We have now seen it for 3 solid months. Many of the tranquil have learned now how to use their 2-4 ton family vehicle to escape and do what you have to do regardless of… Read more »

BigMikeU
BigMikeU
3 months ago

Yano i was reading in hopes of learning something about the filth on the left and their tactics…..The sad part is i had to stop when even you guys called the driver of that black car that sadly killed that poor young woman was a Nazi sympathizer or white sup. in some way? I was watching it live and as things unfolded it came out within 1hr that the driver was a “Hillary” supporter and had recently donated to her campaign! With in 1hr of that news 1st hitting the airwaves it was dropped all of a sudden and the… Read more »

Sisu
Sisu
3 months ago

To the Editors: Why when articles such as this one are edited and reissued are prior comments deleted ?

toomanyhobbies
toomanyhobbies
3 months ago

I have ran with a dash camera for years now, but it is of little consolation if you are trapped in one of the above. Avoidance is your NO1 plan, a few minutes bypassing is far better than eh possible consequences…

HoundDogDave
HoundDogDave
3 months ago

I’ve said it before and will say it again, If you are not identifiable as a Law Enforcement Officer and actively/intentionally block my way with an unholstered weapon in hand I have to assume you intend to shoot and kill me. If my travel is blocked by any means and you approach my vehicle from any direction with an unholstered weapon in hand I have to assume you intend to shoot and kill me. I will at that point do what ever I believe is necessary to IMMEDIATELY stop that threat and stay alive.

Last edited 3 months ago by HoundDogDave
StLPro2A
StLPro2A
3 months ago

The very unique rights and freedoms that make America so special are that which is being used to take those very rights and freedoms from America loving citizens by America hating citizens. America has been over run without a shot fired….yet.

Tionico
Tionico
3 months ago

At the Portland Chaz/Chop location

CHAZ CHOP was in Seattle, and the specific incident involving the kids in the stolen Cherokee happened in Seattle.

Specifics, fur syre, but the same things HAS been happening in the Portland “zone” as well. Both cities have been cded by the population to Antifa/BLM, and are concentrated venues of riot, subversion, treason sedition, etc.

Tionico
Tionico
3 months ago
Reply to  Tionico

I find it insane that these two places, and their “events” of late, are happening right in y own backyard. Scary. Rural Sounth Dakota is looking better every week.

ChiptheBarber
ChiptheBarber
3 months ago

Man! Can ya’ll even believe we’re talking about this in the USA? Before the Wu-Flu hit, we were experiencing possibly the greatest time of peace and prosperity in the history of the world! I think we actually made it too easy for this current batch of “citizens” coming up and they somehow felt the need to create their own strife/struggle (for lack of better terms) because pretty much all of that had been taken care of for them. The human mind and emotion are truly curious things. Thanks for an informative article, though every situation is going to have to… Read more »

Deplorable Bill
Deplorable Bill
3 months ago

All, ALL, of those who are able are OBLIGATED to preserve life and liberty. Anyone who can, should help. If not, you are not much better than those who are causing the trouble. See:. Love your neighbor as yourself. YOU are the first responder. It may be some time for the authorities to arrive, if they arrive at all. We have all seen states and cities in which the governor or mayor has told the cops to stand down. SO IT IS ON YOU TO HELP.

Arm up, carry on

KenPCD
KenPCD
3 months ago

That is true food for thought and contemplation.

Darkman
Darkman
3 months ago

I see DEAD Speed Bumps. Period…When a firearm is produced in a encounter between citizens. Unless said person is Law Enforcement it is automatically considered a threat. In my state there s No requirement to retreat and the use of deadly force is applicable in any local you have the Legal Right to be.

JoeUSooner
JoeUSooner
3 months ago
Reply to  Darkman

Same in Oklahoma, where even the simple possession of an incendiary device (Molotov Cocktail, for instance) is a felony equivalent to (as serious as) illegal firearm possession… for which being shot during the commission of said felony is justifiable.

JDT
JDT
3 months ago

Eventually the local militias are going to have to take control of this country.

Tionico
Tionico
3 months ago
Reply to  JDT

See Coeur d’Alene Idaho, Yucaipa, California, nd a few other places. Funny thing, those confrontations and subsequent victories have for some incmprehensible reason faded from the current news feeds. Hmmmm.. could it be….?

PMinFl
PMinFl
3 months ago
Reply to  JDT

can you remember when a group of “bikers” was about to clean up Seattle on the 4th of July weekend ? The mayor and police chief FINALLY went in and broke up the chop/chad camp in a city park. They were afraid that CIVILLIANS were going to show the world that they weren’t afraid of the anarchists. Maybe, just maybe, this is the secret to getting the local authorities to perform their sworn duty.

Deplorable Bill
Deplorable Bill
3 months ago
Reply to  RoyD

Somebody told me that if you are cruel to animals then cruelty to people soon follows. Some sick s.o.b’s in the video.

Arm up, carry on

Cruiser
Cruiser
3 months ago

Being a retired LEO. I feel every one who takes the oath of office, should be required to read with understanding the Constitution of the United States.
The oath is a sacred honor and should not be taken lightly. If LEO and Politicians understood what it means, they would not be blindly taking away
peoples rights. The Bill of Rights is all there in black & white. There is no compromising version.

Don
Don
3 months ago

It is Seattle CHAZ/CHOP where the people where shot and two killed.

Levelhead
Levelhead
3 months ago

Greg E. has a formula for dealing with this situation. “Don’t go to stupid places, where stupid people are doing stupid things.” If you drive someplace where a protest or riot is going on you are violating this rule and can expect trouble.

Finnky
Finnky
3 months ago
Reply to  Levelhead

@Level – I think we all take for granted that one should avoid these situations. However like Sgt. Perry, any of us could come across such situations. Much of the discussion revolves around how to extract oneself at that point. Many fine suggestions from U-turns (legal or not) as soon as you see obstruction to physical and legal survival after contact. Above all follow Dean’s advice. Don’t go violent unless and until you have to. If necessary act decisively, remove yourself from situation, and be first to call police for assistance. I for one will finally get dash cam –… Read more »

Watch um
Watch um
3 months ago

This should be legal for police to use: A cell phone jammer is just what it sounds like. A device designed to block cell phone signal transmission or disrupt cell reception. They work by creating interference within the frequency range used by cell phones—disrupting communication between phone users and the cell tower.Apr 24, 2019

1MOA2Day
1MOA2Day
2 months ago
Reply to  Watch um

The local PD need to bring in one of the Stingray packages to track every phone call made in those cell tower zones.

nrringlee
nrringlee
3 months ago

Avoidance is the best policy. Maintain your situational awareness at all times and avoid any signs of crowds. You do not negotiate with mobs. Avoid them. The second point is this. In any preplanned encounter your adversary has the advantage of action (fast) vs your reaction (not quite as fast.) Keep that in mind. Someone who already has a firearm or other weapon in action has a tactical advantage over you. At that point your vehicle may become your best weapon. Many moons ago I went through and executive driving course. You would be amazed how much damage you can… Read more »

aebiv
aebiv
3 months ago

It amuses me watching such contortions done to defend a furry with PTSD who openly advocated for killing protestors. The world isn’t black and white guys, it’s messy.

Watch um
Watch um
3 months ago
Reply to  aebiv

Well no sh*t Dick Tracy

SEMPAI
SEMPAI
3 months ago
Reply to  aebiv

Thanks for coming in today..your right it’s not black and white its
1)White
2)Yellow
3)Orange
4)Red

Deplorable Bill
Deplorable Bill
3 months ago
Reply to  aebiv

No sir, right and wrong, good and evil ARE CLEARLY DEFINED. Those who think that grey areas exist simply doesn’t or won’t acknowledge the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY who is highly than self. What has been righteous for the past 5,000 years still is and what has been an abomination still is. Look at Scripture, the ONLY PLACE that you can find truth. Our nation is founded upon these truths. If you have not already read the declaration of indepence, the constitution, the bill of rights and the amendments, the words and writings of our founding fathers, you should be able… Read more »

Deplorable Bill
Deplorable Bill
3 months ago

Is this link safe to open?

Arm up, carry on

Deplorable Bill
Deplorable Bill
3 months ago

What ever you do, don’t take the mark of the beast. What ever they SAY their religion is doesn’t matter. What does matter is what they are saying and doing. Actions speak louder than words but I also care about motives. I have a rough idea of your plight. You are not alone.

Isaiah 51:7-8

Arm up, carry on

Powerfader
Powerfader
3 months ago

Install a front and rear GoPro, or dashcam. Also, use your phone’s camera to record. I still think to keep moving. Even if it is only inches at a time. And the very 1st thing you should do is dial 911. If your car is equipped have your car’s phone on speaker phone so the officer on the line can hear everything that is going on. Have some sort of a spray. I prefer skunk spray, but pepper spray is good. If you carry. Have that on the ready!

SEMPAI
SEMPAI
3 months ago
Reply to  Powerfader

Does 300 blk pepper spray count?

Finnky
Finnky
3 months ago
Reply to  SEMPAI

– Good response. Just aim each “pepper ball” well – at current price pepper gets costly quick, besides you’re still legally liable for any overspray.

Actual spray has its place, but not as a response to active attackers armed with lethal weapons. Your physical skills likely allow you to fend off unarmed attackers better, but an aging couch potato I’d need to escalate earlier.

Tionico
Tionico
3 months ago
Reply to  Finnky

most of these Ad Ja Taters wear outfits designed to minimise exposure to things like sprays. If things get up close and personal” to the point where a spray is deployable, I’d posit that the lead spray is the spray of choice. Not many of those perverts out there causing tbouble will be dressed appropriately for that spray.

PMinFl
PMinFl
3 months ago
Reply to  Powerfader

Charlie is still on the MTA.

Deplorable Bill
Deplorable Bill
3 months ago

Thanks Dean. In the photo you see two weapons actually drawn. That is the line of moment, the point of no return. In Az that is assault with a deadly weapon and it warrants self defense with whatever tools that are available. Long time ago Iwas in a similar situation. When the cops finally arrived they asked me why I didn’t shoot. Life is precious to me. Somehow I was able to watch the muzzle of a gun pointed at me get abnormally large. I could plainly see the guy’s face and waited for”that look” that comes just before the… Read more »