Analysis of Defensive Shootings by Rifleman in Kenosha RIots ~ VIDEO

U.S.A.-(AmmoLand.com)- The video shows a timeline of the shootings during the Kenosha riots on 25 August 2020. In the video, there are two shooting sequences. Both appear to be cases of self-defense.

The video identifies the rifleman as Kyle Rittenhouse.

The first shooting happens as the rifleman is running away from pursuers, in the lot of an auto dealer. You can see him running and people pursuing. One is getting close enough to throw something [molotov cocktail] at him. About five seconds later, you hear shots being fired. A few seconds after the shots, you hear “he shot him”.

The man who shot was running for his life, retreating, when he apparently turns and shoots his closest pursuer. It looks to be self-defense.

In the law of self-defense, there is a long-standing concept of disparity of force. Facing multiple attackers who can knock you down and stomp you to death has long been recognized as a disparity of force situation, where the use of a weapon is necessary to preserve your life and/or bodily integrity.

The recent video out of Portland, where the victim did not have a weapon, and did not resist, but was nearly killed by his pursuers, shows how dangerous mob pursuit is. You have a legal right to defend yourself with deadly force against this sort of deadly attack.

After the shots, where the pursuer goes down, the rifleman circles through the cars and comes back to the attacker he just shot. He gets out his phone to call. According to the video, he is calling 911.

More pursuers come up, threatening the rifleman, so he takes off with more mob members chasing him again.

A few seconds later, he trips in the street. One of the mob yells “get his ass!” At least five people can be seen pursuing him. Some of the mob is deterred because of his rifle.

Analysis of Defensive Shootings by Rifleman in Kenosha RIots ~ VIDEO

One mob member runs up to jump and stomp him. The rifleman appears to block him with the rifle butt. The attacker goes down, then hobbles off. At the same time a man with a skateboard is running up and strikes at the rifleman on the ground. The rifleman shoots him, probably in the body.

Analysis of Defensive Shootings by Rifleman in Kenosha RIots ~ VIDEO

A third man is running up at the rifleman, but hesitates, at the shot, and stops.

The rifleman points the rifle at him but does NOT shoot. This appears to be the man who has a pistol. He attacks the rifleman again and it appears to be shot in the arm. The attacker who had the skateboard is down in the street.

Screenshot of video at nypost.com. Cropped, scaled arrow and text added by Dean Weingarten

The clearest video of defensive shooting seems to be at the nypost.com.

The videos illustrate how effective a man with a rifle can be in defending himself against a mob attack, even with the extreme restraint shown in this example.

First, he does not shoot but attempts to run away. He does not shoot into the crowd or shoot indiscriminately. He shoots the one attacker who is the closest threat.

Then he calls 911, according to the narration.

Then he is threatened again. He runs/retreats again. He falls and is threatened, but does not shoot the pursuers who stop and back off. He is then assaulted by multiple men with weapons (skateboards/pistol).

Courtesy INSTAGRAM / @LOURIEALEX Image from Instagram louriealex. cropped and scaled by Dean Weingarten

He defends himself again, only shooting two of the three who close with him. The other pursuers have had enough, and he is able to walk away, with gunshots in the background. He turns to walk backward, to guard against further pursuit.

It is classic self-defense.

Finally, a short while later, in another video, he reaches safety and is shown surrendering to police.

Screenshot of video from newyorkpost.com. Cropped and scaled by Dean Weingarten

All of the people shot could easily have avoided being shot, simply by not pursuing the retreating rifleman.

With the shots in the background, it is impossible to know how many shots the rifleman who was being pursued, fired.

This classic example shows how useful a semi-automatic rifle is in self-defense against a mob.

We cannot know everything from the video shown. More details will surface. The Antifa/BLM supporters have already been on twitter claiming the rifleman was a white supremacist.

On twitter, many were saying the attack in the street was justified because he had “just shot someone in the head”. The twitter users never mention he shot someone in the head while fleeing the mob for his life.

The responses seem to be pre-programmed into the agitators. Whenever someone defends themselves, the agitators call them white supremacists and claim they were the aggressors.

Digital recording devices are repeatedly revealing the propaganda.

Update: Kyle Rittenhouse, 17 has been charged with first-degree intentional homicide. He is a resident of Antioch, Illinois, 12 miles from the shooting scene.

It appears the police ignored him as he attempted to surrender to them in the video, after reaching the safety of their location.


About Dean Weingarten:Dean Weingarten

Dean Weingarten has been a peace officer, a military officer, was on the University of Wisconsin Pistol Team for four years, and was first certified to teach firearms safety in 1973. He taught the Arizona concealed carry course for fifteen years until the goal of Constitutional Carry was attained. He has degrees in meteorology and mining engineering, and retired from the Department of Defense after a 30 year career in Army Research, Development, Testing, and Evaluation.

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Finnky
Finnky
1 year ago

Please forgive my ignorance on the topic – I’ve never seen any gunshot wounds and do not have real understanding of the damage they do. That said, the arm injury does not look consistent with what I would expect from typical 556/223 fmj. To my untrained eye it looks more like what I would expect from a light varmint round. Any thought from those who know more? I could easily see prosecutors using his choice of ammo against him as media has long portrayed HP as super-lethal ammo, only used by mass murderers. Of course it takes little study to… Read more »

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Darkman
Darkman
1 year ago
Reply to  Finnky

Having seen the aftereffects of numerous gunshot wounds. I can attest that what you see is exactly what such a wound looks like from a rifle with standard ammo. Simply look to the wounds received in battle. “YouTube”. I understand your lack of knowledge and find no faulty in it. Most people have little or no knowledge of gunshot wounds unless they have been in battle or are life ling hunters. Most people never get passed killing paper targets or popping steel. Be safe Out There and keep Your Powder Dry.

Darkman
Darkman
1 year ago
Reply to  Darkman

As a side note be prepared Daytona Beach. You’re next for the Burn Loot Murder and Antifa Chaos.
https://www.facebook.com/DBCops/videos/328006158612210/?t=1

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago
Reply to  Finnky

We do not know what caliber/ammo was used. There are lots of options: M193, M855, or some .223/5.56 self defense or hunting round. Where the round exactly landed is important too. M193 is known to perform inconsistently. M855 is known to perform poorly. See http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/

The ammo choice is unimportant in terms of any legal proceedings. I have yet to see a single case where it did play a role. It is the job of the attorney and of expert witnesses to refute any such argument if it comes up.

MarkE
MarkE
1 year ago
Reply to  Finnky

If you want some hard facts and information on ballistic trauma, see the article below (Ballistic Trauma: Lessons Learned from Iraq and Afghanistan) – it is one of the best available on the subject (and, aside, bullet mass is not the determinant factor in damage, velocity is). Note that it contains photos that are graphic, but you will find in them similarities to the photo above that you reference. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4317275/ And, having carried a CAR-15 for 23 months in Vietnam, I can attest that this type of flesh wound (meaning there is no significant body mass behind the entry point… Read more »

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JPM
JPM
1 year ago

Well done Kyle! He did to these violent, sub-human, anti-American criminal cretins what the police should have been doing to them all along. I read where over $100,000.00 has already been donated by Christian organizations for Kyle’s defense. When he’s found innocent, I’m for donating ammo to him.

RJL
RJL
1 year ago

Looks to me that Kyle was In Fear Of His Life And He Stopped Those Threats.

gregs
gregs
1 year ago

the dailymail from great britain does a good job exonerating kyle for a far leftist publication.

sage419
sage419
1 year ago

It was self defense; HOWEVER, self defense claims often hinge on the person being lawfully at the location for lawful purposes. The fact that Rittenhouse traveled 20 miles across a state line to get there and was a minor in possession of a weapon that it was illegal for him to be carrying will play hard against him. This will be an interesting case to follow.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago
Reply to  sage419

Kyle Rittenhouse was working as a lifeguard in Kenosha that day. He also volunteered after work for cleaning up graffiti at a local school.

Committing the victimless misdemeanor of firearm possession as a minor does not negate his right to self defense.

Learn some basic self defense law. Start with the book The Law of Self Defense by Andrew Branca! Andrew Branca has a subscription-only post on his blog analyzing this incident. He says this is clear-cut self defense.

Finnky
Finnky
1 year ago
Reply to  sage419

@NotSage – In what way do state lines matter? They are just lines on a map. As for 20 miles – by the time I was 14 I biked that far (round trip) to get to my daily workout. I live up to twice that from many of my best friends and it is but a hop-skip-and a jump. When your friends or neighbors need help, you step up – it really is that simple. In what way was it illegal for him to be standing on private property that evening? Once he was being chased by the murderous mob… Read more »

Get Out
Get Out
1 year ago

Colion Noir breaks down the Kyle Rittenhouse shooting and shows us that Kyle is the victim running from the mob and acts in self defense in all three shooting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ollAg8mRB6M

Seadoggo1776
Seadoggo1776
1 year ago

Longtime reader.
Why is murder an appropriate response to property damage?
But property damage isn’t an appropriate response to murder?
Thanks I’ll hang up and listen.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago
Reply to  Seadoggo1776

Who committed murder in response to property damage? Also, since when is damage to an innocent person’s property justifiable?

Seadoggo1776
Seadoggo1776
1 year ago

Appreciate the reply, @Charlie Foxtrot. To your first question: Allegedly, Kyle Rittenhouse, though he is absolutely innocent until proven guilty. He’s charged with first-degree intentional homicide, and one count of attempted first-degree intentional homicide. Nothing defensive in those charges, but we’ll let the judicial system decide. As for property damage, an underage kid was running in the streets of a strange city full of unrest at night with a long gun? Facebook Groups seemed to indicate folks were headed there to defend property? But maybe he’s part of an urban paintball league and grabbed the wrong rifle. Happens to the… Read more »

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago
Reply to  Seadoggo1776

So, no murder then, but bullshit charges that include a witness statement by a person that wasn’t even a witness. Your question of “Why is murder an appropriate response to property damage?” is then bullshit as well. Since you are also “not aware that property damage is justifiable”, your own question of “But property damage isn’t an appropriate response to murder?” is then bullshit as well, In conclusion, you posted two bullshit questions by your own account, correct? PS: By the way, one is never charged with self defense, so your statement about “nothing defensive in those charges” doesn’t even… Read more »

Last edited 1 year ago by Charlie Foxtrot
Seadoggo1776
Seadoggo1776
1 year ago

Thanks again Foxtrot appreciate the open dialogue. I did not intend to imply that someone can be charged with self-defense. Rather, that “intentional homicide” is the highest form of the charge that Wisconsin levels against suspects, from what I read. Thanks for keeping me honest and have a great night.

(Edited because i used a word twice)

Last edited 1 year ago by Seadoggo1776
Finnky
Finnky
1 year ago
Reply to  Seadoggo1776

@Seadog – Wisconsin prosecutors need to appease the mob. They’ve already had significant damage in one town. Do you think they want mobs descending on their state from across the entire country?

MarkE
MarkE
1 year ago
Reply to  Seadoggo1776

…”property damage”…? Your analysis of the totality of these situations, over the last couple months, as being nothing more than “property damage” is naïve at best and dangerous at worst. Look across the country at this chaos and tell me that you see nothing more than “property damage”. Really? Your analysis aside, I suspect that none of the property being damaged is yours.

Seadoggo1776
Seadoggo1776
1 year ago
Reply to  MarkE

Thank you @MarkE I appreciate your comment. I agree, what I noted as a “thought experiment” doesn’t take into account the entirety of the circumstances. And to be clear, looting/rioting is not condoned or justified, as I mentioned. Similarly, this article, framed as a “analysis of defensive actions” with NFL Films style breakdown, seems to intentionally misrepresent that the (alleged) shooter was casually jogging down the street when he was accosted by thugs. Glossing over that he also (allegedly) murdered someone at point blank range only moments before, and was (allegedly) fleeing the scene of the crime with the murder… Read more »

Aaron
Aaron
1 year ago
Reply to  Seadoggo1776

It’s not, however Rittenhouse did not murder anyone in response to property damage so the question is specious. Rittenhouse committed homicide in self defense. He was being chased and attacked, property damage had nothing to do with it.

Seadoggo1776
Seadoggo1776
1 year ago
Reply to  Aaron

Thank you for the reply @Aaron. But why was he being chased? Perhaps because he was (allegedly) a fleeing murder suspect from the previous video where he (allegedly) shot his first victim? You’ve seen that previous video right? It’s been mentioned & broken down many times in these comments, including by Jeremiah G if you’d like to search for it. To say he wasn’t in from out of state to (allegedly) “defend” the area as an illegal vigilante is also specious IMHO. His charges are not for “defensive actions” correct? I mean I’m not a lawyer but multiple “intentional homicide”… Read more »

Aaron
Aaron
1 year ago
Reply to  Seadoggo1776

You’re talking about the second shooting. The first shooting Rittenhouse was being chased and attacked by Joseph Rosenbaum. Rosenbaum reached for Kyles’ rifle, which is when Kyle fired. Next Rittenhouse jogged towards police and safety but was set upon by an angry mob shouting “get him”, “beat his ass”, etc. Maybe those people believed they were doing the right thing chasing a murder suspect, but Rittenhouse is just that, a suspect, he has not been found guilty and he had a right to defend himself from them, which he did. You can’t charge someone with “self defense”, because self defense… Read more »

Seadoggo1776
Seadoggo1776
1 year ago
Reply to  Aaron

My first post made clear he should get his day in court and I’m peppering in “alleged” as often as possible because facts will come to bear. As you note, it appears he was accosted by a person who tried the ol’ finger-in-the-barrel move from Bugs Bunny, and who could say why. That must have been terrifying for him. And after the (alleged) murder, that guy with a skateboard tried to Ollie into him while he (allegedly) fled the scene. Plus someone attempted a poor karate kick. So I understand the duress he felt being (allegedly) armed with only a… Read more »

Aaron
Aaron
1 year ago
Reply to  Seadoggo1776

I think you’re revealing your bias. You’re falling into the same logic a lot of gun control folks do – if you have a gun and the other guy doesn’t, there’s no way you would fear for your life, therefore you have no justification to shoot in self defense. People pull this logic on cops all the time “the bad guy was unarmed and the cop had a gun!!! there’s no way the cop could shoot him in self defense!!!!”. Of course this is ridiculous. Someone can easily threaten your life with their fists, and you would be fully justified… Read more »

Seadoggo1776
Seadoggo1776
1 year ago
Reply to  Aaron

Again thanks for the dialogue. But you’re not talking about a local trying to walk home from the job, fearing for their life. This kid drove in from out of state with long guns and his armed mom, with the express purpose of finding trouble and defending property that’s not his own. He’s not law enforcement yet he was running around hitting the trigger openly. He was literally hanging with the military vehicles, enjoying the scene. There was no self-defense in his intentions. Completely different circumstance IMHO.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago
Reply to  Seadoggo1776

Where did you get that from? None of this is true!

Kyle was working in Kenosha as a lifeguard that day and volunteered for cleaning up graffiti at a school in the afternoon. Then he was asked by someone to help with protection of businesses and was given the rifle by a friend who lives there.

You may want to get your facts straight first, before arguing about them. My source is Kyle’s attorney: https://www.scribd.com/document/474027394/Pierce-Bainbridge-Statement-on-Kyle-Rittenhouse-8-28-20. What is your source?

Seadoggo1776
Seadoggo1776
1 year ago
Reply to  Seadoggo1776

Sorry meant to add “allegedly” to all the statements above, missed the window. Nothing is proven yet.

Random71
Random71
1 year ago
Reply to  Seadoggo1776

With regards to the property damage warrenting violence.
The rioters had been lighting fires. Fire kills, it can and has leveled whole cities, it will again. Im sure many would agree its fine to shoot someone, who is intentionally causing destruction via fire aka arsonists, which puts not just one person but possibly the entire town at risk.

Seadoggo1776
Seadoggo1776
1 year ago
Reply to  Random71

Thanks @Random71 appreciate your thoughts. Fire does kill and as I’ve mentioned in other replies, looting and rioting crosses the line of appropriate protesting to police brutality. I’m not sure it’s appropriate for people to cross state lines with illegal firearms to (allegedly) murder people who possibly did not start those fires. It seems like a task best suited to the local fire departments. And for the looting/rioting, as well as peaceful protestors exercising their rights, does “more violence” seem like it will calm them down or further incite them? Perhaps an open dialogue to find common ground once tensions… Read more »

Random71
Random71
1 year ago
Reply to  Seadoggo1776

But when the rioters or protesters are blocking access to the fire fighters what should citizens on site (I dont care how they got there) do? Let it become a conflagration which endagers the whole town or attempt to stop them, with force if needed? For my money it is our civic duty as citizens to stop them. Actual peaceful protesters are perfectly fine, and I will support the right to do so. But generally they arent out after a cerfew, or chasing people. I would prefer the violence be avoided but it appears that ship has sailed. If nothing… Read more »

Last edited 1 year ago by Random71
Seadoggo1776
Seadoggo1776
1 year ago
Reply to  Random71

Thanks for being open to discuss, because I do follow this site and think there are valid points made here. Just like every self-defense situation is unique, the other side feels the same here. To say the ship has sailed on all these situations is to equally admit that all self-defense situations are the same, because they ended with cops there to investigate a shooting. Did those people killed actually cause the damage in this case? Again, not defending looting or rioting. But a standard BOP (business owners policy) protects small and large biz from looting and rioting, including property… Read more »

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago
Reply to  Seadoggo1776

It appears that you are completely ill-informed. Wonder why?

Insurance does not cover damage from domestic terrorism. After rioters caused $1.5M in damage at the Car Source car dealership in Kenosha, the insurance company classified this event as domestic terrorism and is not paying out. Car Source is going out of business and its 15 employees just lost their job.

My source: https://www.gofundme.com/f/car-source-in-kenosha

Random71
Random71
1 year ago
Reply to  Seadoggo1776

The reason why I say the ship has sailed is that the violence has already begun, in many places. Not by my choice but it is there. History shows that once uncorked that genie generally doesn’t go back in to the bottle quickly or peacefully. I would love for this to be the exeption to the rule, I doubt it will be. In which case it is time to stand for our rights. If a person is part of a mob, it can be easily argued they are an accessory to any of the actions of said mob. That is… Read more »

Deplorable Bill
Deplorable Bill
1 year ago
Reply to  Seadoggo1776

Maybe when the mob gets to your place of business or when the mob gets to your home or your children’s home and tries to burn them down with you and/or your family inside it things may become a bit clearer. Yes you should have insurance for your business and homes. Will you be able to afford the rate increases? That kid was trying to get away from the mob but the mob ran him down and forced him to respond to save his life. It was not murder on the kid’s part but it was at least aggravated assault… Read more »

Seadoggo1776
Seadoggo1776
1 year ago

Thank you @Deplorable Bill appreciate the comments. Yes and as I noted in another comment, the kid does not (allegedly) appear to be innocently walking around when a riot broke out around him as you infer. He (Allegedly) came from miles away to be inside the action, open carrying a long gun in a tense physical situation. If it’s my place of business or my home with my kids, I’m personally ready and I know what’s legal. That’s the point, he (allegedly) went searching. …Don’t take this the wrong way given your username: Your last paragraph, quite literally, is the… Read more »

SEMPAI
SEMPAI
1 year ago
Reply to  Seadoggo1776

I invite you to search out mike from mr guns and gear ch on you tube he shows all the parties involved that were shot outstanding police records from pedophile to marxist and a loooong list of past charges for all involved , it was only a matter of time for these 3

Jeremiah G
Jeremiah G
1 year ago

This has a bit of misinformation. The infamous Molotov cocktail never existed; it was a plastic bag with something in it. Kyle originally turned around and shot only after he heard someone fire a pistol in the air in his direction while he was being chased (the shot was no where near him but can be seen in the video), then he shot the closest person chasing him because the guy attempted to grab his rifle (and he probably thought that was the guy who shot at him). Fun fact: the guy did not die from a headshot, he died… Read more »

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeremiah G

Ok, watch it again. You might be right about the plastic bag but what ever it was, was on fire. It’s safe to assume that it was a Molotov cocktail when they have been using them at all the peaceful protests.

Go MAGAA 2020

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

There are other camera angles of this and it clearly shows a plastic bag and no fire. The lighting and the camera angle of that one video makes it just look like something is on fire, but it is not! Kyle’s lawyer and the witness statements say nothing about a Molotov cocktail! It’s safe to assume that you just ASSUME things without evidence!

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
1 year ago

Ok, so it was the lighting. Oh well, maybe that is what he saw too, ever think of that? The video posted here is the only one that I saw that had anything at all and I have only seen two other blurry video angles and never saw a bag or a moltov.. Sorry I didn’t watch everyone to make my conclusion. My post had no personal attacks on the poster yet you attack me. I think an apology is in order.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

Lighting effects depend on the position of the light! Anyway, Kyle Rittenhouse did see that Joseph Rosenbaum threw that plastic bag containing something at him, as he was facing Rosenbaum at that point in time. Rittenhouse then turned around and continued to run away. Then, at least a second later, a single shot is fired by a guy in the crowd. Then, three more seconds later, Rittenhouse turned around as Rosenbaum was closing in on him and he shot Rosenbaum. The thrown plastic bag certainly played to Rittenhouse’s state of mind, but was by no means the reason for self… Read more »

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
1 year ago

Your answer does not resolve the issue of being rude. Do you not see your response to my prior action as an insult and an attack? Apology necessary if you want my support. I read your responses to my wife because I support allot of what you have said but if you are too big to apologize then I will not longer support you. It’s your call.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

Sorry, but I don’t see pointing out the obvious as a personal attack against you. This whole Molotov story has been circulating for days on the Internet despite the evidence of it being completely bogus. You just assumed something that wasn’t there to the point that you stated that “It’s safe to assume that it was a Molotov cocktail when they have been using them at all the peaceful protests.” I am pretty sure that you did not came up with that Molotov idea by yourself, but just repeated something here that you read somewhere else without ever verifying it.… Read more »

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
1 year ago

It’s safe to assume that you just ASSUME things without evidence! This is an attack but I think you are to narrow minded based on your answer to even realize it. I interpret what I saw in the one video as what I saw. Though you think I made a mistake, you don’t need to attack me because I saw it differently than you. The moltov was my own idea, I didn’t see any news that said that so that is your second ASSumption that is wrong. I think the answer to this whole thing is to accept that you… Read more »

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

Oh, I do stand up to my mistakes. RoyD had a recent discussion with me, where he ended up convincing me that I was wrong. It was related to the timeline of the plastic bag being thrown and that Kyle did actually see that. I ASSUMED that you can handle some tough language. Apparently, you can not, despite responding with name calling yourself. So, I apologize for using tough language. PS: I will not ask for an apology for your name calling, because I know that people have emotions. PPS: I do not believe you that the Molotov cocktail was… Read more »

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
1 year ago

Ok, I should have not said the fox suck and after I thought about it I tried to change it but the computer said it was to late. Honest but I doubt you believe me. Ok, I guess you have a right to not believe me but you are wrong, I never heard anything about something ever being thrown but I guess your being so positive that you are right about what I think in my brain makes me a liar? I don’t think so. Neither of us knows the other. We are supposed to be of one brotherhood. My… Read more »

Knute
Knute
1 year ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

Plus, if you think THAT was a rude answer, you’ve never heard him speaking about me. He bypasses all of his the ‘rudeness stops’ whenever I so much as post a “hello”.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago
Reply to  Knute

Welcome my personal troll to this discussion. I expect nothing less than one insult after another from him. I am sure he will twist my response, so I will leave it at that.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
1 year ago

You have more than one response that is rude. I will leave it at that. Your arrogance speaks for itself..

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

You call me arrogant, yet you are interjecting yourself in a conversation with Knute, who has been trolling me on Ammoland for months. You have no idea what you are walking into here!

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
1 year ago

I am just acknowledging that there are others here that have the same feelings or opinions about your writing style, nothing more. You are assuming that I am taking sides.

Knute
Knute
1 year ago
Reply to  Knute

See.
I don’t even have to say hello and his rudeness level goes to the sky. Want to bet that he will fall all over himself to disagree if I say something nice about him?
Let’s find out.
Charlie Fowtrot is a nice guy.
Do you think he will be able to tolerate a compliment? Or will he just have to disagree…. no matter how foolish it makes him appear? 🙂

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
1 year ago
Reply to  Knute

Hi Knute. It takes all kinds to make the world go round. Some of them you just need to shake your head, brush them off of your shoulder and go on because you are smart enough to realize that they are the ones that are wrong and they don’t have the required intelligence to have the proper understanding to get it right.
Take care.

Knute
Knute
1 year ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

You too, musicman. Take care. I’m a guitar player myself. No gigs or anything. I just play some tunes for fun now and then, esp. when I can find someone to jam with. Always nice to meet a fellow musician that also likes firearms.
I’m seldom here on ammoland any more. CF has made following me around with insults his life’s calling for so long, that it just isn’t worth being anywhere where he is. Life is too short to waste any of it so foolishly.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
1 year ago
Reply to  Knute

Amen on wasting any time on anything. I try and educate myself and others and make things harmonious when I can but sometimes not everyone wants to achieve that goal and it comes to a point where you have to quit for your own sanity and take it with a grain of salt.

RoyD
RoyD
1 year ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

Here is the video and at four seconds in you can plainly see it is something contained in plastic and that there are no flames in the air or after it lands on the ground. Enlarge it and watch it a number of times and you will see.
https://twitter.com/RyanBobsy/status/1298530439389487105

RoyD
RoyD
1 year ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

You might do as I did, after Charlie Foxtrot’s insistence, go back and study the video and then realize that it is the light passing through the plastic that makes it appear to be aflame when it is not.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
1 year ago
Reply to  RoyD

Thank you, a totally acceptable answer to my conclusion; however, until he apologizes I will not be putting thumbs up on any of his posts. He WAS one of my favorites until the unjustified attack. That is just how he is will not be recognized as a valid answer for being rude.

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musicman44mag
musicman44mag
1 year ago
Reply to  RoyD

I looked at the video and it is worse than the one I have seen already posted here. I don’t have facebook or twitter or any medium like that. I don’t play games on my computer because to me it is a tool and I don’t follow anything like the NRA or anything else. I finally learned about La Pierre after the law suit started and read something I believe was legit and it was on this site. Otherwise to me it was just people complaining about him and I had no proof to support what was being said and… Read more »

JD
JD
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeremiah G

Throwing the plastic bag didn’t trigger the 1st shooting. The shooting occurred out of view of any video recording device. The best witness to the shooting was from a journalist who was trailing Kyle as he attempted to evade the guy in the red shirt who threw the plastic bag with contents. Apparently Kyle’s escape was obstructed so retreat was no longer possible. The journalist observer stated that the 1st gunshot victim was trying to disarm Kyle by grabbing for the rifle barrel. An extreme “Shit For Brains” maneuver when you have the means to prevent being shot. The fact… Read more »

Random71
Random71
1 year ago
Reply to  JD

Good question, I dont think we even know that answer. The most I can say is it has to vary from guy to guy. I’ve met dudes in their 80’s that still have shit for brains, and teenagers with their heads screwed on straight.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago
Reply to  JD

“The shooting occurred out of view of any video recording device.” Nope! There is at least one recording, possibly two. The person following the person that was chasing Kyle was a Daily Caller journalist and it appears that he may have videoed the entire incident. Then there is also this:

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(The Daily Caller journalist is the guy in the dark grey shirt and black pants. He also tried to provide aid to the person shot.)

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musicman44mag
musicman44mag
1 year ago

I dont see the object being thrown.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

Exactly, because it already has been thrown! My point! The video starts after Rittenhouse sees the plastic bag being thrown at him and then turning around to continue running away. You see Rittenhouse running away for 4 seconds before he is turning around to shoot Rosenbaum. The plastic bag is that thing on the ground.

stew
stew
1 year ago

shooters loves matter too

Trapman
Trapman
1 year ago

I doubt a jury would convict him. He clearly was in defense of his life. Don’t know about crossing state lines with a firearm (whatever laws exist on that). But fists, mace, fireworks and “enhanced vulgarity” are being replaced with firearms on both sides. This is not going to end well, unfortunately.

AggregatVier
AggregatVier
1 year ago
Reply to  Trapman

Finally, someone does trend analysis.

Buster
Buster
1 year ago

I’d like to hear the prognosis on the guy missing 3 lbs of meat from his right arm.

And I’d like to be the first to grin and ask him “Hey dumbass…was it worth it?”.

RoyD
RoyD
1 year ago
Reply to  Buster

Well, considering that he might have been in violation having that gun in his possession, I’m sure that he has plenty of regrets right now. Good!

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago

The first statement from Kyle’s lawyer about the incident. It appears that Kyle was working as a lifeguard in Kenosha that day.

https://www.scribd.com/document/474027394/Pierce-Bainbridge-Statement-on-Kyle-Rittenhouse-8-28-20

willyd
willyd
1 year ago

If he was there as a lifeguard, okay, but the news media is still playing the bit that he was from out of the state, and not entitled to have a gun, once again they pick and choose what they want to tell!!!!!!!!!

RoyD
RoyD
1 year ago

Share this video by Colion Noir:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSU9ZvnudFE

Westside
Westside
1 year ago

“Kyle Rittenhouse…has been charged with first-degree intentional homicide”. It used to be there was an investigation done before charges were filed. Now they charge immediately because the MOB says so. Next, the MOB will be angry when he is found not guilty because of being over-charged. The rioting, burning and looting start all over again. Somehow this never ending scenario seems to be intentional. Keep the chaos going.

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Buster
Buster
1 year ago
Reply to  Westside

Cynicism with a healthy dose of sarcasm 🙂

Everyone knows all this mayhem is intentional, and that the Democrat Party is 100% supportive of it.

PMinFl
PMinFl
1 year ago
Reply to  Buster

antifags and BoweLMovement are doing the dirty work for the party.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
1 year ago
Reply to  Westside

You are absolutely right.

AggregatVier
AggregatVier
1 year ago
Reply to  Westside

It might explain why even an anti-firearm state like Illinois has delayed complying with the requested extradition.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago
Reply to  AggregatVier

The extradition was delayed to give Kyle time to get proper legal representation. That’s all. Nothing else was argued in front of the judge.

Living Free in Texas
Living Free in Texas
1 year ago

I want to be on that jury.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
1 year ago

Glad we have this new video, it clearly looks to me like self defense especially in the second shooting. It’s not the mobs job to shoot or club the perp it’s the police, oops I mean social workers. If they followed, observed and reported that would have been fine but they attacked when they didn’t need to. He wasn’t shooting anyone that wasn’t attacking. My concern is that they are going to try and fry him because he went down there in the first place like a vigilante and their reasoning is that they don’t want anyone else to get… Read more »

Camotim
Camotim
1 year ago

KYLE RITTENHOUSE IS AN AMERICAN HERO> Free him now.

Finnky
Finnky
1 year ago

Got to love the “white supremacistl narrative. Don’t they know that group never shoots white people? From videos I’ve seen it appears at least two of the shot individuals were white. In fact it appears that the vast majority of rioters are white. Of course, what do I know – I usually have to be informed that someone self-identifies as “African-American” to recognize it. (Capitalization by spell checker, just to lazy too fix) There are exceptions, even I notice the pigmentation in Colion Noir’s skin. Far as I’m concerned it is a physical characteristic which helps me identify the individual.… Read more »

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Buster
Buster
1 year ago

Well done, Kyle, well done. Many millions of Americans appreciate you and are proud of you!

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago

More information from Colion Noir:

https://youtu.be/NSU9ZvnudFE

RoyD
RoyD
1 year ago

I had not seen that you had already posted the video. But then maybe others had not seen your post either and seen mine. The more the merrier?

Deplorable Bill
Deplorable Bill
1 year ago

He ran even though armed and they chased him even though he was armed. The rioters were not chasing him to collect for the red cross. They had intent to hurt him and likely worse. They said so. This guy PASSED on shooting several of his attackers. Then he tried to help those who had attacked him. Doesn’t smell like a murderer to me. I don’t know what happened prior to the filmed attack but everything I saw showed extreme defferance to shoot until there was no choice but to shoot. Clearly self defense. I am a disabled veteran and… Read more »

Random71
Random71
1 year ago

“Give the order, sir, and I will storm Hell.” – ‘Mad’ Anthony Wayne

AggregatVier
AggregatVier
1 year ago
Reply to  Random71
Random71
Random71
1 year ago
Reply to  AggregatVier

Oh I know it. I was born and raised in Fort Wayne. If I had a nickel for every time I’ve gone past his statue downtown or the old fort…

Grigori
Grigori
1 year ago

I have read elsewhere that there are some heavy hitters in the legal defense industry who are networking to provide this young man with outstanding legal representation. My respect goes out to them and my hopes that Mr Rittenhouse walks with his police record 100% clear when all is said and done.