Virginia – -(Ammoland.com)- The bump stock rule is now written and comments from citizens can be submitted.
If implemented, this is a true ban, which classifies bump stocks as machine guns! No grandfathering of existing items. They must be destroyed or turned over to the police, with no compensation for the taking of your property that was lawful when you purchased it. The penalty is up to $10,000 and/or up to 10 years in jail.
Regardless of whether you own a bump stock or not, or whether you love them, hate them, or are indifferent toward them, we need to oppose this rule.
The government is not providing a valid reason to suddenly consider bump stocks as machine guns. Their reasoning is clearly political and nothing more, totally failing the smell test.
In the proposed rule, BATFE brushes off the idea that firing a semi-automatic rifle with a bump stock is no different than bump firing that same rifle using only one’s bare hands. (Video of me doing just that can be seen here: https://tinyurl.com/ycb6lxto)
Here’s what the BATFE writes about the supposed “differences” between firing with a bump stock vs bump firing with your bare hands:
“The relevant statutory question is whether a particular device causes a firearm to ‘shoot … automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.’ 26 U.S.C. 5845(b).”
“Bump firing and other techniques for increasing the rate of fire do not satisfy this definition because they do not produce an automatic firing sequence with a single pull of the trigger. Instead, bump firing without an assistive device requires the shooter to exert pressure with the trigger finger to re-engage the trigger for each round fired. [PVC: “Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!” That’s exactly what a bump stock does. Pressure from the trigger finger engages the trigger after each shot to fire the next one. With either method my finger stays stationary, while the gun bumps the trigger into my trigger finger and fires again. Nice try, though, BATFE!]
“…the bump-stock-type devices at issue cause the trigger to “bump” into the finger, so that the shooter need not pull the trigger repeatedly to expel ammunition.” [PVC: Again, that is exactly how bump firing a gun with one’s bare hands works.]
“…Because these bump-stock-type devices allow multiple rounds to be fired when the shooter maintains pressure on the extension ledge of the device, ATF has determined that bump-stock-type devices are machinegun conversion devices, and therefore qualify as machineguns under the GCA and the NFA.” [PVC: It is still the trigger finger that activates the trigger, not any part of the bump stock. All that the extension ledge does is to hold your finger in a fixed position, same as if you hold it stiffly yourself when bump firing with your bare hands. BATFE hopes we are stupid enough not to see there is no difference in how bump firing works, with or without a bump fire stock.]
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Click this link to get to the proposed bump stock ban rule:
https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=ATF-2018-0002-0001
You can read all the text of the proposed rule at this point, if you wish.
To enter a comment against the proposed rule, click on the blue “Comments Now!” button in the upper right corner of the page.
Suggested comments:
“I fully oppose this ruling. The shooter’s trigger finger is what activates the trigger, whether firing with a bump stock or with one’s bare hands. No part of the bump stock touches the trigger, only the shooter’s trigger finger. ATF’s insistence otherwise is merely playing politics and hurts their credibility.”
“I fully oppose this ruling. If the bump stock made a semi-automatic rifle fully automatic, then holding the gun with only the trigger-finger hand while squeezing and holding the trigger should cause the gun to repeatedly fire shots. It doesn’t do that and therefore the bump stock has clearly NOT converted a semi-automatic rifle into a machine gun.”
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ill do wtf i want to till i cant! no matter what it takez to defend family and myself…
Outlaw tobacco, it kills far more people. You would have an easier time with that I’m sure. Oh! And Bonus!
You won’t be violating the constitution. What’s next? Vertical grips? Bi-pods? Reflex sights? Oh I know! Flash hiders.
From my C.D.H’s.
well.
if they ban those stocks that means THEY HAVE PASSED AN EX POST FACTO LAW WITHIN THE ATF.
and they DON’T AND THE AUTHORITY TO DO ANY OF THE BS.
and NEITHER DOES THE DAMN CONGRESS.
they are not passing any laws, they are “reinterpreting the definition of a machine gun”, they have done this in the past with the akins accelerator, 40mm chalk markers, sig braces, a few DIAS etc. Thats how they are getting around the process.
“I fully oppose this ruling. The shooter’s trigger finger is what activates the trigger, whether firing with a bump stock or with one’s bare hands. No part of the bump stock touches the trigger, only the shooter’s trigger finger. ATF’s insistence otherwise is merely playing politics and hurts their credibility.
Our second amendment was written with the term “shall not be infringed”. That statement means that gun control in any form is illegal. Our constitution shouldn’t be up for negotiation.
It truly amazes me that they allow it to be legal and sell it to the public and now the president decides to out law it. Where do we stand and how can we as the consumers of a legal product that was sold to the public then are force to give them up with out compensation. We who buy into the american dream of buying the things that make us happy and that are legal and stripped away because of one crazy person. Those of us who abide by the rules and law of these products are now subject… Read more »
You know as well as I do it’s not the one person, it’s the ultimate goal of the Democrats to fully repeal the 2nd. That’s just another teaspoon of dirt of the mountain they are trying to level. I want to know why the crap do we not have our full rights, including automatic weapons access, restored to us??? The full autos are an example of their intentions. Take away the guns but do it a little bit at a time. Here’s some reference to the tactics they are using to try to get rid of the guns: NAZI STRATEGY… Read more »
ammo/gun control = ahole
Bumski stocks should no be in some hands, Gunner is a good example. Now where do we go to comment on dangerous and evil belt loops and rubber bands?
buy more ammo. we are going to need it. do you argue with a backed up toilet or do you clean it out?
Hey Author; How deep is your “a hole”?
WE ARE UNDER OCCUPATION. THE GCA 33-34 IS PART OF THE WAR POWERS ACT OF 1933 IN WHICH THE CORPORATION OF THE UNITED STATES DECLARED WAR ON THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES. USING THE “TRADING WITH THE ENEMY ACT OF 1918 THEY SCRATCHED OUT THE KAISER, GERMANY, AUSTRIA ETC AND WROTE THE PEOPLE OF OUR COUNTRY AS THE “DECLARED ENEMY” OF THE CORPORATION. ALL OF OUR PROPERTY, PEOPLE AND FRUITS OF OUR LABOR ARE WAR BOOTY. THIS IS WHY ALL OF THE ALPHABET SOUP GOV AGENCY OPERATIONS ARE UNDER “WAR” EFFORTS AND ADMIRALTY LAW. THEY HAVE PISSED IN OUR… Read more »
Gunner Here. Been hunting and shooting for 54 years as I started at age 12. Today I used your post to ask The ATF to remove The Bump form their approved list. Thanks for your help. Now I shoot a lot as I am retired, and lucky enough to have The Time and The Money. I try to Attract others of all ages into Firearms. Yet I knew The Bump should never of been approved, and my fellow shooters said if you want one buy it now as they won’t be for sale for long. I own a few firearms… Read more »
Next time the environmentalists want to ban hunting, don’t look to me and mine for assistance. If you aren’t there for us, we won’t be there for you. You’re on your own, Fudd.
@Dave Brown, If you wrote the BATFE, as you say, why would you tell us about it? Do you get some perverse pleasure out of annoying people? Or perhaps you are just another lying troll. I doubt that you are a shooter, but I hope that you are because I will pray that you shoot yourself and writhe in the dirt while you bleed out.
@Dave Brown,
You big baby. Why don’t you take your bolt action rifles (not that I’ve got anything against a good boltie – got them myself) and turn them in to the nearest state armory to be checked out only when you want to go hunting? Why stop with bump stocks? Then go cry me a river when you want your gun and can’t have it because the FedGov’s got it.
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Outlaw belt loops! The same thing can be accomplished with the belt loop on your pants, or with a rubber band for that matter.
@cutterjack, Pursuant to the Administrative Procedures Act, the agency must read every comment submitted. So the more comments we send, the more time and expense the rule takes. Personally, I think that it is a better argument to the BATFE that a new rule banning bump stocks is clearly wrong, they themselves have said so in the past, and banning bump stocks is going to paint them as liars. Either they lied before or they will be lying with a new rule banning bump stocks. Either way the credibility of the BATFE is at stake.
Wild Bill; The credibility of the BATFE at stake? They have already DESTROYED their credibility when they worked as part of the LAWLESSNESS of the ILLEGAL actions of the “FAST AND FURIOUS” FIASCO. ‘e.holder’ was part ‘n’ parcel of that LAW BREAKING. He is STILL walking around free, I believe he is working for and being paid by the DemocRATic communist/muslem party in the kalifornistan government.
@Laddyboy, Yes, quite true. BATFE has no credibility with me, either, but they do not see themselves that way. I crafted the argument so that they would have something to lose. Sneaky, huh!
Your comment: Comment: Rapid firing a gun does not require a semi-automatic, self-loading firearms. Manual revolvers can be fired in aimed fire by a trained shooter 12 shots in less than 3 seconds including reloading the six shot revolver. It appears that 90% of the shots fired in Las Vegas missed because the bump stock is a ty and noise maker. If the Las Vegas shooter had used a WWI era bolt action rifle he would have fired fewer rounds but could have killed twice as many people. The urge to do “something” should not do something that does not… Read more »
If this administrative law (as opposed to legislative -Constitutional- law) is imposed, the BATFE will be moving to arrest people who have “bump-stock making equipment”. You can do the same thing a bump-stock does with a rubber band and a piece of string on an SKS, FN-FAL and several other firearms. As they have in the past when the BAFTE has targeted someone who they want to “get” who hasn’t broken any laws, they will use the “parts to construct” ploy. With bombs all they need to find are plumbing supplies (pipe or PVC), explosives (black or smokeless powder) and… Read more »
@Joe martin, Your right, we can not just let it happen because we think that it does not affect us. Eventually their “rules
with the force and effect of law” will get around to us.
For those who “think” a bumstock makes a weapon fully automatic definitely do not know the first damn thing about it. It just isn’t true and those people need to go out on the shooting range and see the major difference between the two. A lot of people talk about things that they know so little about and these bump stock opposers are some of them and unfortunately our President also needs to go see the difference up close and in person before harming so many of the people who voted for him for his promised protection of the 2nd… Read more »
The sad truth is it doesn’t matter what the ‘real’ truth is, the masses are plugged-in to believe what their demagogues and the liberal media TELL THEM the truth is. If you try to say otherwise you are now ‘gunsplaining’ (a take on ‘mansplaining’) which in their world automatically negates any truth that does not meet their narrative.
Funny you point out that the ones trying to ban the bumpstock don’t know about guns. Several of the “March for our lives” attendees were asked what is an “assault rifle” and they said they did not know but it sounded scary. 🙂
There are a couple things I fail to understand. First, how can an item be declared legal one minute and illegal the next. It’s not like there wasn’t a good deal of discussion and research when bumpstocks were originally declared legal, but what do I know. Next, how can the ATF just say throw your personal property away and who cares what you paid for it. This is not a law, but rather they are making it a rule. The ATF has no legal basis for changing laws. Yes they may interpret them, but not make them. Since they already… Read more »
be ready to fight for your life. the ATF are murderers and trump is sending them out to attack gun owners.
Friends: I sent my comment. Its disturbing to put my name on the feds’ list. Probably already there though… Can the reader argue sending in a comment is useful? I kinda think its not about whether a bump stock is a machine-gun. Its not. But the pressure is on to “doo somethin for teh childrenz”. I guess just wetting your pants isn’t enough. The gun control crowd is a bunch of un-serious clowns. I’m stressing two things in correspondence. All people have a right and duty to self defense. People opposed to that are cowards and fools. Try it: ”… Read more »
@cutterjack: Do not fear! We are all most likely on one list or another. I have commented on several over the years so there is nothing to worry about.
I do not own one but will vehemently support all those that do and the manufacturers as well.
Nottinghill: Hear! Hear!!!!!!
I might disagree with you, and you disagree with me.
However,
I will stand with you against others in your RIGHT to disagree with me!
This, in a nut shell, is how America SHOULD BE!