Continuing Gun Voter Betrayals, Rubio Adds Blacklists to Red Flags

I say take him up on it. (Marco Rubio/Facebook)

U.S.A. – -(Ammoland.com)- “Senator Marco Rubio introduces bill to suspend gun rights of anyone who has ever been ‘investigated’ for domestic terrorism,”  The Unz Review reported Sunday. “The Senate bill, named the Terror Intelligence Improvement Act, was reentered last week in hopes of exploiting the hysteria surrounding the January 6th Capitol protests. The law intends to violate the civil liberties of American citizens who are not charged or convicted of a crime if somebody is deemed politically dangerous.”

“Reentered”?

Yes, Rubio tried this before in 2016 as a “kinder, gentler” alternative to a bill being pushed by then-Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid.  No doubt the rationale is if Republicans throw a scrap of flesh to the circling pack of Democrat jackals, it will satisfy them and keep them from pushing through something worse.

Like that works in nature.

You don’t give the gun-grabbers an inch because they will take it and then come back for more. They always have and you’d have to be an idiot not to see it. Their end goal has also been clear for anyone willing to admit the truth to the lie about “commonsense gun safety laws” and see them for what they are (and what their early “leaders’ have admitted to — incremental steps on the way to total disarmament).

And while Rubio’s bill makes noises about “due process,” those are just that. It would still remove guns from citizens not only not convicted of any crime, but not charged with any.  And who among us has the financial resources to take on the government’s virtually limitless reserves in the hopes that the judge won’t be a robed Democrat apparatchik, and/or that the Roberts Supreme Court would hear our appeal if he was?

Then again, “due process” and “Marco Rubio” don’t necessarily go hand-in-hand, as Rubio’s flat-out lie of a promise that “A red flag law will reduce bloodshed and respect the rights of gun owners” shows anyone willing to look behind the weasel words.

So first “red flag laws” and now a “blacklist,” despite NRA assigning Rubio an “A+” rating and telling members he “has a proven record of support for our Second Amendment freedoms,” pointedly adding:

“Opposes Government Blacklists – Voted against denying persons on secret government lists their Second Amendment right to purchase or own a firearm without due process.”

What goes unsaid in all the “national security” flag-waving (ironically much of it being done by politicians who otherwise demonize nationalists as “extremists” and worse), is that if I were a terrorist, I’d want to be on the blacklist. That way, if I wanted to find out if I’d been made, I’d try to buy a gun, see if I was flagged, and plan my next evasion moves accordingly.

Suddenly the list isn’t so secret. I’m no surveillance pro, but isn’t it a cardinal rule not to let your subject know he’s being watched? The thought strikes: Maybe that’s not what this is really about?

OK, but what about all those other items on NRA’s list, all those things we’re told Rubio “opposes” and “supports”?

Most of them are meaningless happy talk: What does “Opposes Anti-Gun Supreme Court Justices” really mean when the whole system is set up to protect them – during their “job interview” – from telling us what the Founders intended when they declared “shall not be infringed”? And it’s easy to say you support permit “reciprocity” when you know the “Republican leadership” has no intentions of bringing a bill to the floor, and when your symbiotic relationship with NRA protects you from answering direct questions about “Constitutional” carry (really “permitless” carry, as gun bans and “gun-free zone” prohibitions, still apply).

That’s not saying Rubio hasn’t voted “right” much of the time and that an overt Democrat gun-grabber wouldn’t have voted “worse.” But the thing about that is, his (and other Republiquislings’) actions on another issue will ultimately undo and reverse every one of those “good” votes:

“Republican Senators Marco Rubio, John Cornyn, Susan Collins, and Thom Tillis will attend a Thursday “summit” meeting hosted by the “American Business Immigration Coalition,” a pro-amnesty group consisting of big business donors, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, as well as the George Soros-funded United We Dream organization.”

We know where that will lead, particularly after Joe Biden fast-tracks millions of illegals on his superhighway to citizenship: All credible polls and all real-world experience in places like California and Virginia demonstrate that “amnesty” and a “pathway to citizenship” for MILLIONS of foreign nationals in this country illegally (and legally, with CURRENT culturally suicidal policies) will overwhelmingly favor Democrats and anti-gunners. This will result in supermajorities in state and federal legislatures that will then be able to pass all kinds of anti-gun edicts. It will also result in confirmations of judges to the Supreme and federal courts who will uphold those edicts and reverse gains made to date.

I know there are some who discourage such talk under the false assertion that we must focus exclusively on the “single issue.” Nonsense. Anything that threatens the right to keep and bear arms IS the single issue. These are the same people who tell us it’s OK for gun owners to consider other issues more important than guns and vote for Joe Biden. Again, nonsense. If appreciation of firearms and shooting was what mattered, we’d have no better friend than Lon Horiuchi. They’re (deliberately!) disregarding that it’s really not about guns at all. It’s about freedom, and nothing is more important than that.

So what do we do about politicians like Rubio?

If we don’t vote for him, we’ll get someone really, really bad, the common excuse goes, pretty confident that in the interim, we’re not going to be doing what we can to look for “primarying” alternatives. Based on the ratio of gun owners complaining about things to the number actually doing the hard and consistent work of organizing to change things, they probably have a point.

“Politics is the art of the possible,” a “gun rights leader” once told me, using silly platitudes to persuade me to tone down on the hardline rhetoric. “The perfect is the enemy of the good.”

How anyone afraid to push the envelope with just words is able to determine what is possible is beyond me. And forgive me for not acknowledging that a flexible-principled political ingrate subverting our efforts from inside the gates is “good.”

“He votes our way 90 percent of the time,  the argument goes. Well then make the damn political rating reflect that. We’re smart enough to know the difference between a “C” and an “A,” and to present things otherwise smacks of cynical deception to maximize fundraising. And here I thought the object was to have an informed membership.

Just for argument’s sake, would you accept that level of “fidelity” from your wife or husband?


About David Codrea:

David Codrea is the winner of multiple journalist awards for investigating/defending the RKBA and a long-time gun owner rights advocate who defiantly challenges the folly of citizen disarmament. He blogs at “The War on Guns: Notes from the Resistance,” is a regularly featured contributor to Firearms News, and posts on Twitter: @dcodrea and Facebook.

David Codrea

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CommonSense4America
CommonSense4America
7 months ago

I’ll go along with Nancy Reagan,,,,,,,,,,,,,NO!

nobodyuknow
nobodyuknow
7 months ago

Rubio, you are nothing but a LYING SCUMBAG!!! YOU ARE A PRIME EXAMPLE OF WHAT IS WRONG WITH WASHINGTON AND WHY DONALD TRUMP CALLS IT A SWAMP!!!

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Griz375
Griz375
7 months ago

Innocent until proven guilty is the rule. If you extrapolate this statement then, when issued a speeding ticket, your DL would be suspended on the spot.

Investigating someone doesn’t mean a charge will be laid and, even if charged, the accused has rights. I acknowledge an accused may be adjudged a threat to public safety if not incarcerated pre-trial but that should be determined then, not when the charge or citation is issued.

A blanket suspension of “anyone ever investigated’ for domestic terrorism” absent a conviction & sentencing is a blatant violation of the person-in-question’s rights on many levels.

truthman
truthman
8 months ago

Rubio’s new red flag bill introduced 08 Feb:
Write and call Rubio and Scott. Rubio had Scott co sponsor this Rape of our rights!
Gun Confiscation without due process SB 292.
“Red Flag” laws target law-abiding citizens who
have not committed a crime, in other words, it’s an unconstitutional “pre crime” program
similar to what you’d expect to see in Communist China.

Vince Warde
Vince Warde
8 months ago

FIRST – WE ABSOLUTELY NEED TO LET RUBIO KNOW THAT WE OPPOSE THIS BILL. If you live in Florida and have supported him in the past let him know that. Tell him what changes you want in this bill – or that you want it killed. SECOND – IF HE DOESN’T BACK DOWN, WE SHOULD “PRIMARY” HIM. That is the only answer here – and we had better find a good candidate – because ANY Democrat that gets nominated will be much worse. THIRD – WHEN WE VOTE, WE OFTEN MUST CHOOSE THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS. Holding the Senate… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
8 months ago
Reply to  Vince Warde

Vince Warde, Do you ever wonder what would have happened if Republicans voted for a write-in candidate or a third party candidate instead of voting for the lesser of two evils decades ago? By voting for the lesser of two evils, Republican politicians (like Rubio) are encouraged to take us to the same place Democrats want to go, but just over a longer time period. If Republican politicians knew that supporting more gun control would not be tolerated (that voters would allow the Democrat to win just so the gun-control-supporting Republican lost), maybe we would get better Republican candidates in… Read more »

nobodyuknow
nobodyuknow
7 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

First off, if the National Rifle Association had organized and gotten behind opposition to the Federal Gun Control Act of 1968, we would NOT have FGCA 1968! Also, If we would FIRE Wayne LaPierre and get someone to lead the organization who was more interested in the Second Amendment and the rights thereof of American Citizens, we would not be trying to figure out how to keep the organization monetarily afloat!

Country Boy
Country Boy
8 months ago

LOL from Lil’ Marco Rubio to Lil’ RINO Rubio . Didn’t take long for him to show who he really is did it?

nobodyuknow
nobodyuknow
7 months ago
Reply to  Country Boy

C B . . . Good Post!

gregs
gregs
8 months ago

have been on vacation and just sent little marco this email. We urge you to withdraw piece of legislation. Instead of adding another law that will not be used as it is intended, and be used politically against law-abiding citizens, why don’t you propose some “common sense” laws that would actually help American citizens, like national reciprocity and nationwide Constitutional carry.  According to your press release, you claim this bill would safeguard law-abiding citizens civil rights and due process by giving government more authority to go after suspected terrorists. A few questions. What terrorists are you looking for? Does the United States government not… Read more »

nobodyuknow
nobodyuknow
7 months ago
Reply to  gregs

gregs . . . Very good post. I take it you did not get any kind of proper response from this little weasel.

Stag
Stag
8 months ago

This scumbag has been pushing gun control for years.

gunnerdd517
gunnerdd517
8 months ago

this is one of the reasons i dropped out of the NRA and will stay out.

truthman
truthman
8 months ago

Call in to the Radio Talk Shows also. We need to use all the Media now.

truthman
truthman
8 months ago

Every one needs to be calling and emailing these sob’s also. Including all of the Republican leaders in both the Senate and House. Do it everyday!

truthman
truthman
8 months ago

Rubio is up for re-election in 2022. Florida Grass roots organizations need to find some one to run in the 2022 Republican Senate Primary against him. Grassroots as in The Tea Party Group’s, and It needs to start now.      

StLPro2A
StLPro2A
8 months ago

Hmmmm……I’ll take my chances with bad guys over politicians any day. There should be a “paper and ink” background check for politicians They do more collective harm to America through their laws than all the bad guys with guns combined.   A politician with a law never stops a bad guy with a gun. He only controls the good guys, which is his true agenda. A legislator with a bill is far more dangerous to the populace as a whole than a citizen….good or bad….with a gun.  The bad guy with a gun poses short term danger….the worst damage he poses is… Read more »

USMC0351Grunt
USMC0351Grunt
8 months ago

Instead of worrying about this RINO destroying our freedom and liberty, why don’t we focus on removing him from office and replacing him with a REPRESENTATIVE that will REPRESENT? Take note: I am in NO WAY advocating to “wait and vote him out of office.” I am saying TOSS THIS DEADBEAT NOW and put a REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PEOPLE in there!

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TheRevelator
TheRevelator
8 months ago
Reply to  USMC0351Grunt

@USMC0351Grunt Because…. You are always going to be dealing with morons who will whine, cry, and stamp their feet while screaming “But this election is too important!”, “We need a candidate that can win!”, “But…. Hillary!!!”(Or fill in whoever for the last one) It’s why Wayne La’Pierre is still burning the NRA in free fall. Its why we have worthless jackwagons like Mitch McConnel running the Republican party. Just maybe, JUST MAYBE, it might be time for anyone concerned with why their representatives are not representing to get out of the party and let it burn. If you have a… Read more »

Stag
Stag
8 months ago
Reply to  TheRevelator

I came here to say this and you’ve done it for me. I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve seen the same people who bitch about Republicans enacting gun control turn around and vote for those same Republicans over and over. All these people have done is show these politicians that they can lie to your face and get away with it. If there are no consequences for their treachery then they’ll keep being treacherous.

USMC0351Grunt
USMC0351Grunt
8 months ago
Reply to  TheRevelator

WTF does ANY of this have to do with the NRA? This is Marco tossing in some unconstitutional legislation to push? Is this Harold in disguise? Your ignorance reflects that of Harold…? When you have career politicians that are consistently violating the will of the people and pushing unconstitutional BS, YOU TOSS THEM OUT OF OFFICE! You ARE a United States citizen, aren’t you?

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TheRevelator
TheRevelator
8 months ago
Reply to  USMC0351Grunt

@USMC0351Grunt It has a lot to do with it. No matter what you do or where you go, for example the NRA or the Republican party, there are always going to be weak whiney people who will defend bad or corrupt officials no matter the circumstances. We call them sheep after all, in honor of that characteristic. Also, if you are dumb enough to call out the guy who has been Harold’s biggest PITA for the last three years as being him…… I understand why. You didnt like what I told you, and you wanted a quick way to dismiss… Read more »

USMC0351Grunt
USMC0351Grunt
8 months ago
Reply to  USMC0351Grunt

It’s called Willful Neglect of Statutory Duty as per his Oath of Office. This is a high crime and can be indicted through the People’s Grand Jury. MOST people do not realize that for EVERY LAW on the books, there is a PENALTY for violating that law. Taking the Oath of Office is a LAW and there are PENALTIES for VIOLATING that law. Now it is up to the people of the State of Florida to do THEIR PART and serve Rubio with a Notice and Demand detailing his offenses and demand he re-coup or stand Grand Jury Indictment, Investigation… Read more »

Mack
Mack
8 months ago

“Anything that threatens the right to keep and bear arms IS the single issue.”

Agreed, David!

Now if only Harold would agree:

https://www.ammoland.com/2021/02/winning-in-2022-and-2024-requires-a-coalition/#axzz6m6JE6aIP

“For all the complaints some raised about Project Exile, it served Second Amendment supporters well on two fronts: It not only blunted the push for new gun laws, more importantly, it made people safer by taking bad guys off the streets.”

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TheRevelator
TheRevelator
8 months ago
Reply to  Mack

I frankly don’t want Harold anywhere near us.. He’s an undercover Soy Boy and has been for years, working diligently here at ammoland as an apologist for gun control issues. That “Fudd” is not, and never will be, an ally of any true Second Amendment or Constitutional supporter.

crazy joe
crazy joe
8 months ago

If everyone that faught for our freedom had had his weapons taken then we would be still British.

CommonSense4America
CommonSense4America
8 months ago

All of this debate on gun control is nothing more that equivalent to a game of ‘tug-of-war’. We, pro gun advocates, keep losing the game one inch at a time. If we always accept losing by one inch at a time, we will eventually lose the match.

truthman
truthman
8 months ago

Call and write rubio and tell him to withdraw the Terror Intelligence Improvement Act.
He is up in 2022, and in the 2022 Republican primary he needs to be ousted!
Phone:(202) 224-3041
Toll free in Florida: (866) 630-7106
Home Page Link: 
https://www.rubio.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/home
Press Release link:
https://www.rubio.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=34EC7093-0558-44F9-AF06-AFEF748DC2C6

Also we have a local radio show in bradenton florida which covers pro 2A and other conservative current issues:
https://1490wwpr.com/
The Morning Road Show Phil Dann with the Adorable Deplorables 7-9am Mon-Fri
STUDIO CALL-IN LINE: (941) 745-1490 or (888) 761-1490 
1490 WWPR AM: Listen Online LIVE
https://1490wwpr.com/listen-online-streaming/

BigJim
BigJim
8 months ago
Reply to  truthman

Rubio believes he can defeat anyone running against him in Florida. He must know who is counting whose ballots.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
8 months ago

The moron’s are taking stage. I loved how they got me with all of the people that had been impeached. I did a little research and did not find that on my own. Then later I learned that this was under king George rule and we hadn’t had the revolution yet. What liars.

Riverwolf
Riverwolf
8 months ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

Do not underestimate them. They are not Morons. Liars-yes, they know exactly what they are doing.

gunnerdd517
gunnerdd517
8 months ago
Reply to  Riverwolf

I agree. They know their history very well and have learned from the dictatorial regimes before them.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
8 months ago

I don’t see what the problem is, we all know that no one has ever been put on a no fly list or denied a gun that shouldn’t have been. Don’t forget you have a right to fight that and have it overturned and get your rights back.

NOT,

Don’t forget, his parents are from CUBA and what he was really taught is coming through. He is the prefect RINO.

USMC0351Grunt
USMC0351Grunt
8 months ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

I fought, I WON and I made the Executive Director of the SJIC look like a total dumbass to Senator John Cornyn in doing it!

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
8 months ago

Politicians do things like what Rubio did because they can. Rubio has never been a strong supporter of the 2nd Amendment, despite numerous 2nd Amendment advocate organizations saying he was. He is a backroom scheming politician and always has been. I have not seen any “Pro 2nd Amendment” politicians condemn Rubio (although they have been quick to condemn other things). I have not seen a press release from the NRA, GOA, SAF, or any state-level 2nd Amendment organization (I didn’t look at all of them though) criticizing Rubio for his proposal. Thanks to AmmoLand for providing visibility to this issue.… Read more »

mlhtd51
mlhtd51
8 months ago

You may Not like Guns, That is Your Right.
You may Not believe in God, That is Your Choice.
But is someone breaks into Your Home
the First Two things You are going to do.
1) Call someone with a Gun.
2) Pray They get there in Time.

USMC0351Grunt
USMC0351Grunt
8 months ago
Reply to  mlhtd51

I’m pretty sure that a conversation with God will come in first place…

Riverwolf
Riverwolf
8 months ago

I’ve bought enough hunting licenses and won enough shooting competitions I’m sure I am on every list they have. What we need is for everyone to get on their damn lists. Then they have a problem. The more good folks (most are taxpayers BTW) the more useless their lists are. Remember when they concentrated on criminals instead of law abiding citizens? We didn’t even lock our doors when we left home. Been awhile though, the young don’t remember those days. They leave the criminals alone now, and use their antics to pass more restrictive laws on those who have done… Read more »

Choogie
Choogie
8 months ago
Reply to  Riverwolf

It’s called Communism! Once they have all the guns then it’s the gun in your face and do as I say not do as I do. You work here not there, you do this not that. What I say goes. Get ready Pal.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
8 months ago
Reply to  Riverwolf

1963, Mom and Dad took me on vacation for two weeks. Didn’t lock the front door incase the next door neighbor needed something and wanted to borrow it.

USMC0351Grunt
USMC0351Grunt
8 months ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

Now THAT’s The United States of AMERICA!

USMC0351Grunt
USMC0351Grunt
8 months ago
Reply to  Riverwolf

That’s because it was too tough for many in Post WWI and Post Korea to live under: Responsibility, Duty to God, Family, Neighbor and Friend Alike, Moral Standards and Judeo Christian Values…

Cruiser
Cruiser
8 months ago

With all the people in the United States is this the best we can do as far as our representatives? I don’t consider any of them as the best and brightest.
Prime example is our current Occupant in the White House. Graduated in the bottom half of his class.

Choogie
Choogie
8 months ago
Reply to  Cruiser

AS USUAL Doing what politicians do. Stealing the election. A proven fact so how about your words in that direction. His son is a crook as well. Marco pfttttttttttttttt. Anyone that spits in the face of our Constitution needs to be gone from politics. PERIOD.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
8 months ago
Reply to  Cruiser

Lol, wait till they pass a new law that says America has to rotate the gender and ethnicity of presidents. I find that absurd but with this administration I would put trying it past them.

USMC0351Grunt
USMC0351Grunt
8 months ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

Do you mean… A third bathroom outside the Oval Office?

USMC0351Grunt
USMC0351Grunt
8 months ago
Reply to  Cruiser

We MUST LEARN that it is OUR RIGHT AND DUTY to yank from office ALL WHO VIOLATE THEIR OATH OF OFFICE! Not, “wait to vote them out of office.” Gee, I want to slap the shit out of the dumbasses that follow that BS mantra!

BigJim
BigJim
8 months ago
Reply to  Cruiser

He graduated! Prove it.

KDad
KDad
8 months ago

Rubio is a RINO ! He always has been !

Choogie
Choogie
8 months ago
Reply to  KDad

Yeah and so is that STINKING Mitch McConnel or how ever you spell that crooks name. Him and his bunch weren’t even in Ga. when the senatorial race was going on and voted to impeach our President along with 10 other TURNCOATS. No Red ties there friend. They traded them for blue ones. All I can say is, know who you’re voting for next election if it isn’t stolen by some damn machine. AND machines do Maneuver Votes and Did just that during the Presidential election. However you won’t hear that on MSM.

Riverwolf
Riverwolf
8 months ago

And BTW, forget about “Gun Laws” Everyone forgets why we have the original Bill Of Rights. They were added to the Constitution to put finite restrictions on the new central government the states were forming. Without them the Constitution could not be ratified and we would have no Federal Government. They are intended to limit the Government’s power. Those in Washington know this and constantly try and sidestep every one of the amendments to solidify and concentrate power. The 2nd amendment was nothing about hunting, it was intended for security, both from criminals AND an over reaching Government. The 2nd… Read more »

USMC0351Grunt
USMC0351Grunt
8 months ago
Reply to  Riverwolf

So? You really didn’t mean it when you said; “it was intended for security, both from criminals…” Because I still in over 45 years have not found that ANYWHERE in the founding documents?

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Bozz
Bozz
8 months ago

I just went to his Facebook page. Most of the comments are over a year old. We need to let him know how we feel about this.

Choogie
Choogie
8 months ago
Reply to  Bozz

They will just delete them and more than likely close your account.

JNew
JNew
8 months ago

What annoys me most are all the dumb right-wing voters who think just because one has an “R” next to their name he can be voted in and forgotten.
*Every* politician must be watched as if they plan to kill you in your sleep. You’re a fool to think otherwise.

“Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.”
— George Washington

Choogie
Choogie
8 months ago
Reply to  JNew

AMEN !!! Back then we had REAL LEADERS. Another one of my favorites is Thomas Jefferson. Both from Virginia. Unlike the stink we have for a governor now.

USMC0351Grunt
USMC0351Grunt
8 months ago
Reply to  Choogie

By the way, what are you all doing about removing those liberty crushing, freedom stealing oath breakers?

Riverwolf
Riverwolf
8 months ago

There are legal remedies for both those that make and enforce laws like this. They are on the books. Problem is what Sheriff has the gonads to arrest and prosecute them? There isn’t one. Sad too.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
8 months ago
Reply to  Riverwolf

I think you hit the nail on the head and that is why they FEAR President Trump. They know he wanted to clear the swamp and they are in fear that he will go through the proper channels and after review and trial they will be found guilty and they will lock her/him/them up.

USMC0351Grunt
USMC0351Grunt
8 months ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

You forgot… “her/him/them/IT up.”

Choogie
Choogie
8 months ago
Reply to  Riverwolf

Sad Indeed. All of them should be held accountable for the oath they take before taking office. Nail them to the wall when they don’t. Granted we need them but they are there to serve and not dishonor our Constitution , state and county.

USMC0351Grunt
USMC0351Grunt
8 months ago
Reply to  Riverwolf

You must have missed the IMPORTANT pages where is states, “WE, THE PEOPLE”?

Bob
Bob
8 months ago

The leader of the Gang of Eight introduces a bill to suspend gun rights for anyone “investigated” for domestic terrorism! Lose one’s 2A rights for being investigated. Is that now the standard for “due process”? I live in Florida and Rubio is the poster boy for RINO and we will work to terminate this snake. Hope this comment doesn’t make me a domestic terrorist.

Riverwolf
Riverwolf
8 months ago
Reply to  Bob

Congratulations! You made the list too Brother.

Choogie
Choogie
8 months ago
Reply to  Bob

Yeah you and me both but I call a Snake a Snake and they hate that. Truth is a nasty word to them that lie like dogs.

USMC0351Grunt
USMC0351Grunt
8 months ago
Reply to  Bob

You mean, “you ARE working”…

Bozz
Bozz
8 months ago

What fresh Hell is this?

uncle dudley
uncle dudley
8 months ago

The old saying that applies here is, You know what to expect from your enemies it’s your friends you have to worry about.

Wass
Wass
8 months ago

Anti-gunners will reach for anything to deny civilians the right to keep arms. What’s surprising to me, why does this drift come from some politicians who represent Florida, Texas and Arizona, three states I assumed are Second Amendment stalwarts? Don’t underestimate this creepy movement’s ability to turn the tables on us. Remember, how sure you were that Trump would be re-elected?

hippybiker
hippybiker
8 months ago
Reply to  Wass

10+ years ago I escaped The People’s Republic of Illinois to come to Florida. I left the BS behind me. Our problem(like other States) is the interlopers and liberal scum from the north east and Californicate, come here and try to turn it into where they came from!

USMC0351Grunt
USMC0351Grunt
8 months ago
Reply to  hippybiker

Problem may be that people “run” for convenience of themselves, rather than standing and fighting to keep matters as per our founding and supporting documents?

Choogie
Choogie
8 months ago
Reply to  Wass

Trump was Re-elected Pal. They stole the election with machines and crooks on the ground. That’s a proven fact.

TitanWarrior
TitanWarrior
8 months ago

What about the real domestic terrorists…gangs. They are the reason our malls are closed, drive-bys, rioting, killing children, increasing homicide rates and making travel in the larger cities dangerous.

hippybiker
hippybiker
8 months ago
Reply to  TitanWarrior

As an afterthought. On Feb.10th 1936 The Reichshtag granted The Gestapo ultimate authority in Germany

Choogie
Choogie
8 months ago
Reply to  TitanWarrior

They like that or haven’t you noticed Antifa and BLM tearing down the country side for the past year and the pResident opening the borders again to let them in. Yep the commy dems love that crap. All those governors just let them tear those dimocrat cities down and burn them to the ground. Don’t you just love the new stolen

Red Falcon 1325
Red Falcon 1325
8 months ago

Just for being investigated and not charged or convicted??? Looks like the Cuban socialist background is starting to ooze out of this POS.

Rod
Rod
8 months ago

Rubio , we put you in to defend our 2cd amendment rights , not to kowtow to the Democrats , cowboy up and fight them !!!!

Green Mtn. Boy
Green Mtn. Boy
8 months ago
Reply to  Rod

Don’t hold your breath as a worthless RINO he hasn’t a spine to fight his way out of a wet paper bag.

Riverwolf
Riverwolf
8 months ago
Reply to  Green Mtn. Boy

But it only takes one of them to vote with the Dems to assure passage. Rest assured all the Dems will get on board for a “Bipartisan” vote!!!!

USMC0351Grunt
USMC0351Grunt
8 months ago
Reply to  Rod

OR?

Montana454Casull
Montana454Casull
8 months ago

Marco you need to resign as you are violating your oath to uphold the constitution. What part about ” SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED ” do you not understand scumbag RINO ?

nrringlee
nrringlee
8 months ago

If you honestly believe the Republican Party serves to defend your natural right I pity you. They are facing a democrat party that has gone full on bolshevik and all they can talk about is how to negitiate a higher grade of hemp used in the noose.

Green Mtn. Boy
Green Mtn. Boy
8 months ago

No he doesn’t.

AZ Lefty
AZ Lefty
8 months ago

This is the GOP you voted for

USMC0351Grunt
USMC0351Grunt
8 months ago
Reply to  AZ Lefty

And yet still, WHERE is the outcry from the Conservative constituents? WHERE are the GOP American PEOPLE? I had to fellow veterans (both wearing masks) engaged in conversation at a automobile dealership waiting room one sitting next to me stated I’m supposed to be wearing a mask, “it’s the law!” Of course I responded and said, “That’s no law?” He said, “Yes it is, the president said so.” A Veteran with no understanding how law works in the United States that he defended!

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Rowboat
Rowboat
8 months ago
Reply to  USMC0351Grunt

Just like in the American Revolution, only the 3% were willing to fight. Your “veteran “ sounds mighty like a REMF .

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Ansel Hazen
8 months ago

If we don’t vote for him, we’ll get someone really, really bad, the common excuse goes,”

This has become the problem. Hold your nose voting is what gets POS politicians like Susan Collins reelected. It’s time to walk away from the GOP. They aren’t listening to you any more than the left. Because most of them are part of the left.

The 80 million + voter base that voted Trump are a 3rd party kill shot to both Dem and GOP.

USMC0351Grunt
USMC0351Grunt
8 months ago
Reply to  Ansel Hazen

This idea will DESTROY the country and the Democrats are depending on us doing EXACTLY THIS! If your house or car or anything you have gets dirty you don’t leave it, YOU ROLL UP YOUR SLEEVES AND CLEAN IT UP!

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musicman44mag
musicman44mag
8 months ago
Reply to  USMC0351Grunt

You clean it up. The voting system? Our republicans we vote for? How do you clean up a dirty demonrat politician, they are diseased from their indoctrination school days. I think back to Ross Perot and I understand what you are saying. My problem is how do we stop Rino’s from running? If we would hold their feet to the fire once they show that they lied when they took their oath then maybe it could change but that never happens. It is obvious there are two parties in the republican camp, the swamp rats and the constitutionalist republicans. I… Read more »

USMC0351Grunt
USMC0351Grunt
8 months ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

I joined 11 or more County and Precinct Chairmen of the Republican Party at the Pecos County Courthouse for a “townhall style” meeting with Congressman Will Hurd. After going around with Hurd for well over several years, I put him in his place publicly… Telling him, “You are NOT a leader, YOU are a REPRESENTATIVE and WE are here, carrying the voice of your constituents and YOU are NOT LISTENING! You always take what we say and wordsmith it back into your own agenda!” A month and a half later, Hurd decided to not run for a second term and… Read more »

Choogie
Choogie
8 months ago
Reply to  USMC0351Grunt

I agree with you but the GOP SUCKS and we just need to look and vote for Conservative leaders on the republican side and leave the Gop to themselves. Don’t send them a dime. Send your money to who you want in office. I stopped sending my money to the Grand Old Party. Let them know it also. I did. Those like Mitch got Rich off of us and stabbed us all in the back.

USMC0351Grunt
USMC0351Grunt
8 months ago
Reply to  Choogie

You sound more like a Democrat Troll the more I read from you! Have to absolutely NO CONCEPT of “DIVIDE AND CONQUER”??? Your idea is no better than those that RUN from California, New York, New Jersey, Oregon (And other states) and spread their crap all over other states and try to destroy THEM with their BS rhetoric!

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Ansel Hazen
8 months ago
Reply to  USMC0351Grunt

We lost that option last November. This party can not be cleaned up anymore. We aren’t dealing with just a few politicians that are bent anymore. The entire system is rotten to the core. It’s the party machine that keeps these people on the ballot. That enables them to get the money to run their campaign. That makes sure no one else gets to challenge them. What is it, 80% of Wyoming republicans want Liz Cheney gone and they can’t get rid of her. Has anyone seen the party stand up for Greene and Boebert? They certainly didn’t stand as… Read more »

Rowboat
Rowboat
8 months ago
Reply to  Ansel Hazen

Just read on Newsmax where 6 more Republican Senators ( Rats & RINOS) have just signed on with the Democrats to impeach President Trump.
The cockroaches are coming out of the woodwork to collect their China money.

Mystic Wolf
Mystic Wolf
8 months ago
Reply to  Rowboat

What do you expect china is inferring them 10 million each to get rid of TRUMP once and for all, the intent is to have TRUMP done away with thats what mad maxipad said last year and the year before that they need to eliminate TRUMP, well this trial is just the first step in doing that.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
8 months ago
Reply to  Mystic Wolf

Not going to happen.

USMC0351Grunt
USMC0351Grunt
8 months ago
Reply to  Rowboat

THEN WORK TO REMOVE THEM FROM OFFICE!

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
8 months ago

If only there were some type of national association of firearm owners, it could very publicly denounce Rubio for supporting even more gun control. In the very public communication they could revoke their A+ rating and send a message to all the other politicians who support laws that require citizens to prove they are innocent of a crime that hasn’t been committed.

If, only.

TheRevelator
TheRevelator
8 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Hmmm. There is. They go by the Acronyms of GOA and SAF, though their political ratings lists are incomplete.

GOA has denounced Rubio since January 08, of 2019 at the very least..

There is some other group of wannabe gun enthusiasts who claim to support the second amendment, but in reality support infringement after infringement. You know, the one in bed with Rubio..

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
8 months ago
Reply to  TheRevelator

Using “national association” and referencing the A+ rating, I was obviously referring to the group in your third paragraph.

Maybe GOA and SAF will issue a condemnation of Rubio’s proposal soon – I haven’t seen one yet.

TheRevelator
TheRevelator
8 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Trust me, I got what you were referencing..

Again though, GOA condemned Rubio for this very thing back in 2019. This is nothing new from him.

Back then I was already explaining the push for Red Flag legislation as being directly connected to the failed attempt to use Government Lists (No Fly) to suppress inalienable rights at the time when a great many in the second amendment community had not understood the link between the two yet.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
8 months ago
Reply to  TheRevelator

“Trust me, I got what you were referencing..”

I know – it was obvious.

Many people knew what would happen with Red Flag laws.

It would be helpful if GOA swiftly condemns each and every significant effort made by politicians to support such laws – especially those politicians who many consider to be “Pro 2nd Amendment” because they aren’t following the news.

USMC0351Grunt
USMC0351Grunt
8 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

We need to start TOSSING MONEY at the SAF! I mean get off our butts, forego that 6-pack of beer monthly and DONATE TO THE SAF!

USMC0351Grunt
USMC0351Grunt
8 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

I read somewhere of somebody’s Daydream of just such an organization with millions of members that had the backs of the gun-owning American public that defended the 2nd Amendment against all enemies foreign and domestic! Then again it could have just been a dream because of eating something after 8 p.m.?

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
8 months ago
Reply to  USMC0351Grunt

It’s interesting that the article on Phillip Journey’s efforts isn’t getting much attention. It’s indicative of how many people have given up on the NRA. Allegations of misconduct is not their only problem. In the article Phillip Journey was portrayed as one of the “good guys,” but he advocates for the 3D chess strategy of continual compromise and supporting candidates who are the lesser of two evils. The whole approach of taking the long road to the same destination has gotten us to where we are now. It would be interesting to see demographics on the NRA membership. How many… Read more »

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
8 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

I like the title. Now, making sure we don’t get someone from Wayne’s world to run it.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
8 months ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

Can you imagine what the founding fathers would think about:
Having to prove your innocence
Of a crime that hasn’t been committed?

It’s insane, and it’s all being sold on the basis of “it’s for your safety.”

Glocktarded
Glocktarded
8 months ago

Voting for politicians is like deciding what type of cancer you want. Some aren’t as bad as others but they’re all horrible.

USMC0351Grunt
USMC0351Grunt
8 months ago
Reply to  Glocktarded

And then you have a delusional moment where you think you can just vote thecancer out of your body?