Indiana Senate May Vote on Constitutional Carry, But? Are the GOP RINOs Blocking

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Indiana Capitol Building

U.S.A.-(AmmoLand.com)-–On February 19, 2022, the Associated Press published an article reporting Indiana Senate President Pro Tem Rodric Bray saying he expected the Senate Judiciary Committee, which had bottled up the Constitutional Carry bill, to advance the bill to the full Senate.

From AP via usnews.com:

Republican Senate President Pro Tem Rodric Bray said he expected a Senate committee in the coming week to advance the bill loosening Indiana’s already lenient firearms restrictions that the GOP-dominated House approved last month.

The Judiciary Committee was the chosen vehicle used by the Republican majority of senators to kill Constitutional Carry in 2021. The Republican senators had met in caucus and are reported to have used a secret vote to kill Constitutional Carry. They did so with the simple method of never allowing the bill to be debated or voted on in the Judiciary Committee.  The problem for the Republican senators is Constitutional Carry is very popular with their base constituency.

Analysis:

There are 21 states which have Constitutional Carry. It has not been a problem. Homicide rates have not increased. As with all the other reforms which have removed and loosened decades of infringements on the Second Amendment, the “blood in the streets” promised by those who wish to disarm the population, has not materialized.

Senate President Pro Tem Rodric Bray has had to acknowledge this. He has been educated, in spite of decades of indoctrination by the Left. Facts are stubborn things.

From windobi.com:

“As you look around other states that have done the same thing, there haven’t been a lot of other problems, at least that we have seen, that have cropped up as a result of this policy and so we’re trying to cautiously move forward with it,” Bray said.

In 2021, there were 21 Indiana senators which co-sponsored Constitutional Carry.  In 2022, there are eight Indiana senators which have signed up as sponsors for HB 1077.

The 2A project (founded in Indiana in 2020) claims Indiana Governor Holcombe is the force behind the scenes working to stop Constitutional Carry in the Indiana Senate.

If the bill is stopped in the Senate, Governor Holcombe will not be required to sign or veto the bill. A veto would likely end his career in the Republican party in Indiana. If he signs the bill, the calculation might be he would lose a few votes from voters who rely on the old media for their information. The dominant media in Indiana would make it a campaign issue. He might be called a “radical” or “paid for by the NRA” for supporting the expansion of freedom in Indiana.

This appears to be a similar situation to what happened to Constitutional Carry in Wisconsin. This correspondent has been told by people who are familiar with the Wisconsin situation,  Governor Walker was the force behind the scenes which killed Constitutional Carry while Walker was in office.  Indiana has a more organized Second Amendment activist base than Wisconsin does.

If HB 1077 is voted out of the Judiciary Committee, it is likely to pass the Senate. It is not certain. In 2021, it was reported 21 of 39 Indiana senators secretly voted to kill the bill.  All of them may not be willing to do so publicly. Indiana has 39 Republican senators and 11 Democrat senators. The bill requires 26 votes to pass. 14 Republican senators would need to vote against the bill to kill it if it is allowed to come to the floor of the Senate for a vote.

Will Republican senators be willing to listen to their base, and pass a bill universally opposed by the dominant Media? It has happened in 20 other states, without ill effect.


About Dean Weingarten:

Dean Weingarten has been a peace officer, a military officer, was on the University of Wisconsin Pistol Team for four years, and was first certified to teach firearms safety in 1973. He taught the Arizona concealed carry course for fifteen years until the goal of Constitutional Carry was attained. He has degrees in meteorology and mining engineering, and retired from the Department of Defense after a 30-year career in Army Research, Development, Testing, and Evaluation.

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American Cynic

Let it be known that RINOs are worse than Democrats as they will screw us over in unpredictable fashion. RINOs are a breed of politician that is predominantly Left leaning, but run as Republicans because they can’t beat the competition as a Democrat from within a centrist district. Hence the term RINO. If we want to fight fire with fire, we need to support Republicans who are willing to run as Democrats in centrist purple districts, and give them a taste of their own medicine. Why shouldn’t there be DINOs? A politician who gets elected as a Democrat, but secretly… Read more »

Wild Bill

That is a well coined phrase! And there are DINOs. Lots of them. They are hard core marxists in the disguise of a democrat.

Wass

As someone following politics for over sixty years, I can recall only ONE “DINO”, as you described it. His name was, Dov Hikind, a Democrat Assemblyman from Brooklyn. Hikind, who represented a Brooklyn district, populated mainly by Jews and Hispanics, had no qualms reaching across the aisle in Albany to vote with Repubs. Moreover, he was a bedrock conservative on issues like, abortion, crime fighting and capital punishment. Too bad for his constituents, he got term limited.

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Montana454Casull

I carry concealed everyday and did before we passed CC in Montana as I live rural and the old law only applied in the city limits . Now I pack everywhere it’s legal and have not seen a problem . Many have no idea I have a gun on me unless I tell them or they know me and know I never leave home without one ! Lawbiding people packing guns are not the problem !

musicman44mag

No one person should have the power to decide what should go to the floor or not. That is how the USA was screwed out of constitutional carry all across America. If someone brings a bill regarding whatever, someone has shown an interest even if it is insane. Everything should be voted on. It would take a normal group of people in the number of 300, 20 minuets to make a decision. Of course, it would take the DC senate or house at least an hour for the vote count. In the day of the computer, it shouldn’t take that… Read more »

Ronnie

EXACTLY = these Politicians Are to “DO THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE ” !
Not Become TYRANNICAL ! if people would research ( 1871 act) and see how OUR GOV, Had SCREWED US ALL OVER ! – And Still are today ! and It’s all ABOUT MONEY – POWER – GREED!

JSNMGC

“The Senate didn’t take action last year on a similar bill that the House approved, citing the concerns raised by Indiana State Police, the state police chiefs association and the Indiana Fraternal Order of Police. Those groups have said they worried that eliminating the permit system would strip police of a screening tool for identifying dangerous people who shouldn’t have a gun and making that information quickly accessible to officers.”

https://jkfnews.com/2022/02/20/indiana-senate-could-change-stance-on-handgun-carry-permits-nbc-chicago/

JSNMGC

Posted a comment about the person lobbying against this legislation, but it was put on hold.

JSNMGC

Here is the LEO who used to work in the military who is lobbying against this legislation:

https://lafayettepolicefoundation.com/meet-patrick-flannelly/

Kirk

The Nazi Flannelly can go fuck himself. Do not care what a police department that hires Nazis thinks.

After we caught Flannelly hiring a Nazi, he refused to investigate his own department to out the other Nazis there. I asked his deputy chief if there could be a “dozen or more Nazis working for LPD”, the deputy chief admitted that that could be the case.

I do not care what the police think about my civil rights and they can all go to hell.

Indiana police recruit fired for participating in a Neo-Nazi internet forum – CNN

JSNMGC

Posted a comment about LE lobbing against this bill, but it was put on hold.

JSNMGC

Dean, I encourage you to write an article about the impact law enforcement lobbying efforts have on “RINOs” in the legislature. Indiana law enforcement, just like Alabama, South Dakota, Wyoming, and many others have lobbied against pro 2nd Amendment legislation and for anti 2nd Amendment Legislation. “Law enforcement groups remained opposed to the bill, saying it would hinder their ability to investigate threats to their officers. Patrick J. Flannelly, the chief of police for Lafayette, encouraged the committee to oppose the bill as a representative of the Indiana Association of Chiefs of Police. ‘Law enforcement relies on the license …… Read more »

J Gibbons

Except those arguments haven’t been required in any of the other 21 states that have permitless carry. A pink wallet card does not stop someone from carrying unless they are a law-abiding citizen.